Not much to compare, but I did find it interesting that before the game there was an NCAA piece on Markus Howard and how he deals with his feelings, and stress of being a student athlete.
Right before the Markus Howard piece, there was a shot of Tom Izzo screaming at his player to the point that one of the MSU players was getting in between them during the Bradley game
My personal preference, I rather have the izzo type of coach. Tough love, and less coddling
Quote from: MUpilot on March 21, 2019, 07:08:24 PM
Not much to compare, but I did find it interesting that before the game there was an NCAA piece on Markus Howard and how he deals with his feelings, and stress of being a student athlete.
Right before the Markus Howard piece, there was a shot of Tom Izzo screaming at his player to the point that one of the MSU players was getting in between them during the Bradley game
My personal preference, I rather have the izzo type of coach. Tough love, and less coddling
Wojo is not even qualified to shine Izzos shoes
Quote from: MUpilot on March 21, 2019, 07:08:24 PM
Not much to compare, but I did find it interesting that before the game there was an NCAA piece on Markus Howard and how he deals with his feelings, and stress of being a student athlete.
Right before the Markus Howard piece, there was a shot of Tom Izzo screaming at his player to the point that one of the MSU players was getting in between them during the Bradley game
My personal preference, I rather have the izzo type of coach. Tough love, and less coddling
What Izzo did crossed a line. HOF coach or not you don't go that far. That was Bob Knight-esque.
Quote from: MUpilot on March 21, 2019, 07:08:24 PM
Not much to compare, but I did find it interesting that before the game there was an NCAA piece on Markus Howard and how he deals with his feelings, and stress of being a student athlete.
Right before the Markus Howard piece, there was a shot of Tom Izzo screaming at his player to the point that one of the MSU players was getting in between them during the Bradley game
My personal preference, I rather have the izzo type of coach. Tough love, and less coddling
Hear, hear. Whatever happened to the rub some dirt in it ethos? This used to be a great f#cking country.
There are many ways to win, styles of play, personalty types, temperaments.
Wait. People think Wojo is soft and coddling?
Lol.
C'mon man, ya gotta admit Wojo chit da bed a peed down his leg, aina?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 21, 2019, 07:13:57 PM
What Izzo did crossed a line. HOF coach or not you don't go that far. That was Bob Knight-esque.
Damn right it crossed a line. It made a young man look deep inside of himself to find that reservoir of pride and self-respect. It triggered a visceral response in an underachiever to rise to the occasion.
This individuality nonsense is a bunch of crap. The bilous bastards who wrote that stuff about individuality for the Saturday Evening Post don't know anything more about real battle than they do about fornicating.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2019, 07:27:19 PM
C'mon man, ya gotta admit Wojo chit da bed a peed down his leg, aina?
Like a pukin' dog, hey Doc?
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2019, 07:25:16 PM
Wait. People think Wojo is soft and coddling?
Lol.
I've heard the opposite on Wojo.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 21, 2019, 07:39:02 PM
I've heard the opposite on Wojo.
Yup.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2019, 07:27:19 PM
C'mon man, ya gotta admit Wojo chit da bed a peed down his leg, aina?
That's fine. So complain about his game plan, his inability to right the ship, etc. But complaining because he coddles his players and doesn't get on them like a HOF a coach? What are we even talking about? Just crying to cry.
I love that we have this thread.
Then Another thread describing a public video of wojo doing the exact same thing as izzo.
So. Which is it?
Izzy is lucky he wasn't fired for the transgressions at MSU during the rampant sexual assault nonsense going on in East Lansing. Point blank, he would have if not for his success in March. Bobby Knight treatment
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 21, 2019, 08:14:09 PM
I love that we have this thread.
Then Another thread describing a public video of wojo doing the exact same thing as izzo.
So. Which is it?
Wojo wasn't doing the exact same thing as Izzo. Not even close.
Quote from: Cheeks on March 21, 2019, 08:39:22 PM
Izzy is lucky he wasn't fired for the transgressions at MSU during the rampant sexual assault nonsense going on in East Lansing. Point blank, he would have if not for his success in March. Bobby Knight treatment
This.
What kind of a thread is this? No contest!
Quote from: Cheeks on March 21, 2019, 08:39:22 PM
Izzy is lucky he wasn't fired for the transgressions at MSU during the rampant sexual assault nonsense going on in East Lansing. Point blank, he would have if not for his success in March. Bobby Knight treatment
Cheeks. Don't be dumb!!! As another poster said, better to be criminals and win than lose and be decent. (Sorry not quotes guy fieri's dad. Ps again. Went to your sons restaurant in Vegas. Had 1 drink, didn't rise food cause the drinks were trash.)
Quote from: Cheeks on March 21, 2019, 08:39:22 PM
Izzy is lucky he wasn't fired for the transgressions at MSU during the rampant sexual assault nonsense going on in East Lansing. Point blank, he would have if not for his success in March. Bobby Knight treatment
I agree with this! His commitment during the fiasco were ignorant. He seems like a dumb jock.
Quote from: fjm on March 21, 2019, 09:16:27 PM
Cheeks. Don't be dumb!!! As another poster said, better to be criminals and win than lose and be decent. (Sorry not quotes guy fieri's dad. Ps again. Went to your sons restaurant in Vegas. Had 1 drink, didn't rise food cause the drinks were trash.)
That poll the other day told me pretty much what I needed to know. It's fine, I get it. About 15% to 20% don't care about the school, etc...basically want a minor league club, do whatever it takes, if you ain't cheating you ain't trying, a few bad eggs is worth it. Unfortunately they are following the wrong program now, I wonder when they will realize it.
I don't know why anyone would support mistreating players (or any human being). Screaming in someone's face and needing to be held back due to violent aggressive behavior has no place in sports. It wouldn't motivate me.
Quote from: MUpilot on March 21, 2019, 07:08:24 PM
Not much to compare, but I did find it interesting that before the game there was an NCAA piece on Markus Howard and how he deals with his feelings, and stress of being a student athlete.
Right before the Markus Howard piece, there was a shot of Tom Izzo screaming at his player to the point that one of the MSU players was getting in between them during the Bradley game
My personal preference, I rather have the izzo type of coach. Tough love, and less coddling
Tough love is an oxymoron. What was coach Wooden?
Quote from: vogue65 on March 22, 2019, 03:11:33 AM
Tough love is an oxymoron. What was coach Wooden?
A cheater.
WhiteTrash
Great reply.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 22, 2019, 11:22:14 AM
A cheater.
Never proven he had any role and he won far before Sam Gilbert came on to the scene. He used to berate his players to stay away from Gilbert.
Quote from: mudeltaforcegurl on March 22, 2019, 12:37:29 AM
It wouldn't motivate me.
Which is why izzo wouldn't have done it to you. I suspect he knew Henry could handle it. Same reason Lombardi was constantly screaming at Hornung but would never ever criticize Starr.
Quote from: MUpilot on March 21, 2019, 07:08:24 PM
Not much to compare, but I did find it interesting that before the game there was an NCAA piece on Markus Howard and how he deals with his feelings, and stress of being a student athlete.
Right before the Markus Howard piece, there was a shot of Tom Izzo screaming at his player to the point that one of the MSU players was getting in between them during the Bradley game
My personal preference, I rather have the izzo type of coach. Tough love, and less coddling
Probably because you're not confident enough to do things on your own without being yelled at. Sorry for you.
Quote from: slingkong on March 22, 2019, 02:09:44 PM
Probably because you're not confident enough to do things on your own without being yelled at. Sorry for you.
Right, because my profession is definitely tailored for people with lack of confidence. Good call.
Quote from: Cheeks on March 22, 2019, 12:04:41 PM
He used to berate his players to stay away from Gilbert.
He berated them? thought Wooden didn't do that sort of thing. Anyway, whatever (if anything) he did to keep his players away from Gilbert was a total failure. Not surprising, since Gilbert was a big reason they came to UCLA in the first place.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26334855/msu-players-defend-izzo-screaming-incident
Players calling it "a badge of honor"
"It was a good point for Michigan State,'' Livers said as the Wolverines prepared for Saturday's second-round game against Florida, also in Des Moines. "My parents and I thought I didn't need to go somewhere I was going to be babied. It was a hard decision I had to make.
"I respect his style so much. Coach [John Beilein] won't do that in front of the cameras but he will definitely do that behind closed doors. It's just tough love. It's college basketball. If you're not getting yelled at, it means the coach has kind of like given up on you.''
Izzo:
You've got to appreciate there's a year and a half of recruiting. There's a year he's been here now. There's hours and hours and hours spent on, 'What do you want to accomplish? What do you need to do to accomplish that? What do you need to do to help our team win?' If you don't do those things, what do you think my job is?''
These kids must have some serious mental issues.. I mean how can anyone want to play for someone so vile, and mean.
Quote from: slingkong on March 22, 2019, 02:09:44 PM
Probably because you're not confident enough to do things on your own without being yelled at. Sorry for you.
Wow. Talk about fallacious logic!
Quote from: MUpilot on March 22, 2019, 11:48:24 PM
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26334855/msu-players-defend-izzo-screaming-incident
Players calling it "a badge of honor"
"It was a good point for Michigan State,'' Livers said as the Wolverines prepared for Saturday's second-round game against Florida, also in Des Moines. "My parents and I thought I didn't need to go somewhere I was going to be babied. It was a hard decision I had to make.
"I respect his style so much. Coach [John Beilein] won't do that in front of the cameras but he will definitely do that behind closed doors. It's just tough love. It's college basketball. If you're not getting yelled at, it means the coach has kind of like given up on you.''
Izzo:
You've got to appreciate there's a year and a half of recruiting. There's a year he's been here now. There's hours and hours and hours spent on, 'What do you want to accomplish? What do you need to do to accomplish that? What do you need to do to help our team win?' If you don't do those things, what do you think my job is?''
These kids must have some serious mental issues.. I mean how can anyone want to play for someone so vile, and mean.
As the kids go thru the process from grammar school they have been yelled at by coaches.
Over the years the volume has been amped up. Now they are tone deaf. Therefore, over the top yelling.
Marine Corps boot camp is no different. BUZZ ran a boot camp, what was that all about? I don't recall that he ever went to Parris Island. BTW there is very little yelling in the pentagon, I have never heard so much whispering, its the culture, but the exception always proves the rule.
To listen to some of the midgrade officers around here you would think that all that goes on in the mikitary is yelling to be heard.
Yelling coaches is part of the act, image, performance expectation. If coach is not red under the collar then he is not doing his job.
Hard to argue with the results of "yelling coaches"
Quote from: MUpilot on March 22, 2019, 11:37:20 PM
Right, because my profession is definitely tailored for people with lack of confidence. Good call.
bruh you're a glorified bus driver.
Quote from: #UnleashCain on March 23, 2019, 07:58:38 AM
bruh you're a glorified bus driver.
Most of the time, you're absolutely right. ;) I get paid for the times things aren't going as planned.
Quote from: MUpilot on March 23, 2019, 08:14:06 AM
Most of the time, you're absolutely right. ;) I get paid for the times things aren't going as planned.
8-) I'm gunna go fly my little Cessna 150 now
Quote from: mudeltaforcegurl on March 23, 2019, 11:49:32 AM
I made a comment on a mesage board about two people I work with that are completely rude and unprofessional, after a very long day working with these two people. The not so funny thing about this is the two men I vented about have since been fired since I made the comment for getting in a physical altercation in the parking lot after leaving work.
While your comment about the two men may have been accurate, your generalization of an entire group of people was disgusting. And your description of the two men could have been made without even alluding to their race/ethnicity.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 22, 2019, 11:43:12 PM
He berated them? thought Wooden didn't do that sort of thing. Anyway, whatever (if anything) he did to keep his players away from Gilbert was a total failure. Not surprising, since Gilbert was a big reason they came to UCLA in the first place.
Wrong. Gilbert came into the picture after UCLA had already won a few titles, so Wooden had already proven the coaching chops.
I'm going off what Alcinder, Wilkes, etc said Wooden chastised them to stay away from Gilbert.