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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Eldon on March 21, 2019, 05:56:48 PM
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What say you?
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Everyone.
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Piss poor offense, and defense. And that's on players and coaches.
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BOT
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Ja Morant
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Everyone.
This is the only answer. For a loss like this, there is plenty to go around.
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We were beat before we took the court. Just an awful gameplan to collapse on Ja with 3,4,5 guys on D and never took advantage of our size on offense
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Wojo and Howard. A coach who refuses to coach and a player who refuses to pass
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Poor game plan, plus the fact that morant has the makings of a #1 overall pick and rightfully would be any other year. Double teams aren't gonna work on a guy with that sort of singular talent
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My prediction is Wojo won’t be our coach beyond next season
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Wojo. Period.
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BOT
Exactly
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BOT, namely Doc Rivers
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I miss Buzz. The Murray state game in ‘12 was a war. We had the toughness to get by them. This team and culture is pathetic.
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We were beat before we took the court. Just an awful gameplan to collapse on Ja with 3,4,5 guys on D and never took advantage of our size on offense
That was my thought. We came out the gate and EVERYONE was leaving their man to help on D.
On the other end, Morrow looked like he was in beast mode.
Welp, another year of rooting hard as hell for Nova.
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No warriors on this team—SOFT!!
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Whoever came up with our defensive “game plan”. You can’t collapse everybody into the paint and give up WIDE OPEN 3’s all game.
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Poor game plan, plus the fact that morant has the makings of a #1 overall pick and rightfully would be any other year. Double teams aren't gonna work on a guy with that sort of singular talent
Yes, no adjustments. MU would go after Morant and double and the kid would make just extraordinary passes, like he had eyes in back of head. Some NBA team that needs a point guard going to trade up for this guy.
Markus doubled, and he throws it away. He is just not tall enough or an effective dribbler to get out of it.
It’s on the tape and the 50 NBA scouts in attendance just saw it.
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My prediction is Wojo won’t be our coach beyond next season
He showed enough potential at certain points to be safe. Plus, he's not gonna have any offers to draw him away any time soon. He's ours now, for better or for worse. Although I don't want to find out what's worse than the last 3 weeks he managed to pull off this year.
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He showed enough potential at certain points to be safe. Plus, he's not gonna have any offers to draw him away any time soon. He's ours now, for better or for worse. Although I don't want to find out what's worse than the last 3 weeks he managed to pull off this year.
Sadly I think he fails again with an even better team next year and if that happens it should cost him his job. Hope I’m wrong
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All of the above. Plenty to go around
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BOT, namely Doc Rivers
Why, did Doc stop us from relaunching ghe football program and joining the Big Ten in football to become a P5 school?
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Murray St is not a 12 seed. Way better than that. If they lose to Belmont in OVC tourney final, they quite possibly do not even get invited.
Transistion d was bad.
Lack of sharing the basketball on offense was bad.
Sitting Markus late in half was a big decision. Missed opportunities to be even or so at half. First few possessions of 2nd half really highlighted the greater effort and toughness of Murray St. Ball watching on boards, not blocking out with urgency.
Murray St. as a program has long been a matchup problem, for big slow average athletic teams, especially when they are shooting it well. Tonight was no different.
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I miss Buzz. The Murray state game in ‘12 was a war. We had the toughness to get by them. This team and culture is pathetic.
The culture is fine, the ‘12 game they had no one like Ja.....no one.
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First triple double by a G in tourney since....D Wade. Can’t make that shiit up. What a clown show
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None of the above
Roster construction, some skilled players but very little athleticism. Their 400 pounder was more athletic than theo n morrow and on and on. We are sorely lacking athleticism.
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NM
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First triple double by a G in tourney since....D Wade. Can’t make that shiit up. What a clown show
The kid can play, why dis on the kid...he is a superior player. Give him his due.
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None of the above
Roster construction, some skilled players but very little athleticism. Their 400 pounder was more athletic than theo n morrow and on and on. We are sorely lacking athleticism.
Isn’t that technically Wojo’s fault then? He built a midmajor roster at a high major basketball school.
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First triple double by a G in tourney since....D Wade. Can’t make that shiit up. What a clown show
Draymond Green, 2012. He had one in 2011 as well. Cole Aldrich had one in 2009 with 10 blocks, so yes, you can.
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OK, I am extremely disappointed at this one. We came in flat, looked worse and let them play to their strengths while we just, well, stank the joint up. My thoughts:
1) Wojo is still a coach in training. He's going to be good and damn if I don't want another Majerus situation, where we chase a guy who ends up taking someone else to the final four. I think it's a tough call for Marquette if we do not continue to improve but he deserves at least another year or two.
2) Our guys looked winded. Look at the way we were missing shots. Balls clanged off the front of the rim time and time again. My view is this is a very fatigued team. The Big East will do that but that means we have to get tougher, stronger and better conditioned. It showed in the last month. It showed in the Big East tournament and it showed today.
3) We do not have a point guard. At the beginning of the season, we thought Joseph Chartouney would solve our point guard problems. Nice kid who did not live up to his billing. If Koby McEwen steps up, OK, we were where we were last year. If Greg Elliott matures, we're far better. If they don't, we're one and done again and then this Wojo be gone episode restarts. Markus Howard is not the answer at point guard and we are wearing him out. He's a great college 2-guard and I'm confident of his abilities across an entire season if we can get Elliott or McEwen to assume the point.
4) Please, please, would someone get Theo into the offense. Teach him offense if you have to, but he looks totally lost on the offensive end of the court. Almost to the point where Matt Heldt offensively would be an improvement. Theo is all-world if he can score 10 points a game. He needs to stay out of foul trouble, but that's hopefully coming.
5) Joey Hauser and Brendan Bailey looked like the freshman they are. Both showed flashes of brilliance at times this season. Bailey looks like he's been on a Mormon mission for two years. I'm optimistic both will show considerable growth next year.
6) What today proved was Goose's theory -- we're not close to an elite team. With the exception of Virginia last year, elite teams DO NOT lose games like today.
All this said, I'm still pleased we're on an upward trajectory. Angry about today's game (and if I'm angry, I can only imagine how Wojo feels) but Marquette has but two choices. Stay on the same path and see how things play out -- and give Wojo credit for getting us here -- or start over and wait another four years until we get to where we are today, assuming everything goes well.
I've said it before -- I'm too old to start from scratch yet again!
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OK, I am extremely disappointed at this one. We came in flat, looked worse and let them play to their strengths while we just, well, stank the joint up. My thoughts:
1) Wojo is still a coach in training. He's going to be good and damn if I don't want another Majerus situation, where we chase a guy who ends up taking someone else to the final four. I think it's a tough call for Marquette if we do not continue to improve but he deserves at least another year or two.
2) Our guys looked winded. Look at the way we were missing shots. Balls clanged off the front of the rim time and time again. My view is this is a very fatigued team. The Big East will do that but that means we have to get tougher, stronger and better conditioned. It showed in the last month. It showed in the Big East tournament and it showed today.
3) We do not have a point guard. At the beginning of the season, we thought Joseph Chartouney would solve our point guard problems. Nice kid who did not live up to his billing. If Koby McEwen steps up, OK, we were where we were last year. If Greg Elliott matures, we're far better. If they don't, we're one and done again and then this Wojo be gone episode restarts. Markus Howard is not the answer at point guard and we are wearing him out. He's a great college 2-guard and I'm confident of his abilities across an entire season if we can get Elliott or McEwen to assume the point.
4) Please, please, would someone get Theo into the offense. Teach him offense if you have to, but he looks totally lost on the offensive end of the court. Almost to the point where Matt Heldt offensively would be an improvement. Theo is all-world if he can score 10 points a game. He needs to stay out of foul trouble, but that's hopefully coming.
5) Joey Hauser and Brendan Bailey looked like the freshman they are. Both showed flashes of brilliance at times this season. Bailey looks like he's been on a Mormon mission for two years. I'm optimistic both will show considerable growth next year.
6) What today proved was Goose's theory -- we're not close to an elite team. With the exception of Virginia last year, elite teams DO NOT lose games like today.
All this said, I'm still pleased we're on an upward trajectory. Angry about today's game (and if I'm angry, I can only imagine how Wojo feels) but Marquette has but two choices. Stay on the same path and see how things play out -- and give Wojo credit for getting us here -- or start over and wait another four years until we get to where we are today, assuming everything goes well.
I've said it before -- I'm too old to start from scratch yet again!
Also a good take. Especially about #3, Point Guard ...
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wojo sucks
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Also a good take. Especially about #3, Point Guard ...
It's all true, but it is also year 5, so it is also excuses. Think maybe Wojo could have found a PG on the recruiting trail?
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The team's nosedive is on the old ballcoach.
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The Big East debacle did not help.
Markus does all the heavy lifting, the rest of the team are prima donnas.
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The Big East debacle did not help.
Markus does all the heavy lifting, the rest of the team are prima donnas.
Mr. Heavy Lifting was 9-27 (2 for his last 17) with 2 assists and 3 turnovers. He is simply not a point guard. Touney was supposed to let him play off the ball, but that experiment never left the launch pad.
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Markus's wrist
Sam's hip
Ed's hernia
Matt's toe,
Jamal's wrist
Bailey missing two years
Joe not a major PG transfer
Joey a freshman
Theo's fouls
Sacar's ankle after Morant turned him
Elliott redshirting
Wojo can't coach
Of course the referee conspiracy
That should cover it.
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He showed enough potential at certain points to be safe. Plus, he's not gonna have any offers to draw him away any time soon. He's ours now, for better or for worse. Although I don't want to find out what's worse than the last 3 weeks he managed to pull off this year.
It will get worse. Last month shows how we are "trending"
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Ja took 9 shots. That’s it, and they still won by 19. By the metrics, we had the best defense in our conference. Why we tried to play a trap heavy man defense for the first time all season is beyond me. Especially trapping that fat ass center whenever he got the ball like he’s Shaq or something? You gotta dance with the girl who took you to the dance. We shied away from what got us here and didn't deserve another game to play, simple as that.
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Markus's wrist
Sam's hip
Ed's hernia
Matt's toe,
Jamal's wrist
Bailey missing two years
Joe not a major PG transfer
Joey a freshman
Theo's fouls
Sacar's ankle after Morant turned him
Elliott redshirting
Wojo can't coach
Of course the referee conspiracy
That should cover it.
You forgot one thing. I thought the cheerleaders were not loud enough. I could never hear them.
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Ja took 9 shots. That’s it, and they still won by 19. By the metrics, we had the best defense in our conference. Why we tried to play a trap heavy man defense for the first time all season is beyond me. Especially trapping that fat ass center whenever he got the ball like he’s Shaq or something? You gotta dance with the girl who took you to the dance. We shied away from what got us here and didn't deserve another game to play, simple as that.
This is a really good post. I couldn't understand their defensive game plan today either. No idea why they decided not to go under picks and lay off Morant. They should have made him beat them with his shooting and not his passing.
Sacar and Theo with 0 points didn't help either but this game was lost on the defensive end.
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The kid can play, why dis on the kid...he is a superior player. Give him his due.
We were a clown show. That’s irrefutable
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Draymond Green, 2012. He had one in 2011 as well. Cole Aldrich had one in 2009 with 10 blocks, so yes, you can.
As I said, guard
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It seems that so no is not very good at preparing the team and is not a good game coach. Wish he was better. I think after five years, we know that he just isn't very good.
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Marquette needs a PG badly. I blame it on no ball-handling, distribution, etc.
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Marquette needs a PG badly. I blame it on no ball-handling, distribution, etc.
Year 5 and we are still waiting for a point guard . . . That is a complete Wojo failure.
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I don't know which is a greater indictment of Wojo's ineptitude, his inability to construct a complete roster or his ineffective game planning and in-game adjustments. In any metric of measurement, he's fails miserably and is simply out if his league
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I don't know which is a greater indictment of Wojo's ineptitude, his inability to construct a complete roster or his ineffective game planning and in-game adjustments. In any metric of measurement, he's fails miserably and is simply out if his league
As concise an assessment that was ever written on this Board.
It is time for a new coach.
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Ja took 9 shots. That’s it, and they still won by 19. By the metrics, we had the best defense in our conference. Why we tried to play a trap heavy man defense for the first time all season is beyond me. Especially trapping that fat ass center whenever he got the ball like he’s Shaq or something? You gotta dance with the girl who took you to the dance. We shied away from what got us here and didn't deserve another game to play, simple as that.
The doubling of Cowart I didn't mind. He's a load in the post and is prone to turning it over. Other than offensive boards in the second half, I thought we did well on him.....
Of course if that's the best thing you can say about a game that's a huge problem. I agree with the aggressive double team on Ja. Didn't make sense to me. I get that they wanted to make everyone else beat us but why go away from a defense that has worked all season? Joey wasn't nearly quick enough to double and then try to get back to his man.
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The doubling of Cowart I didn't mind. He's a load in the post and is prone to turning it over. Other than offensive boards in the second half, I thought we did well on him.....
Of course if that's the best thing you can say about a game that's a huge problem. I agree with the aggressive double team on Ja. Didn't make sense to me. I get that they wanted to make everyone else beat us but why go away from a defense that has worked all season? Joey wasn't nearly quick enough to double and then try to get back to his man.
It was pretty much the opposite philosophy of that employed against the Badgers where MU's game plan was to shut everyone other than their star down. Didn't make a lick of sense.
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30% Coaching Gameplan
20% Lack of Adjustments
20% Team Execution
100% eFG% disparity
And as one final middle finger, Murray State shot 77% eFG% against MU.
WHO SAYS GOD HAS NO SENSE OF HUMOR??!?
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Seemed clear from the beginning this team wasn't ready for Murray State. That's on Wojo.
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Ja and lets see how FL State handles him with their Bigger and more athletic players than MU?
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Ja Morant, his Dad said he's better than Zion.
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Draymond Green, 2012. He had one in 2011 as well. Cole Aldrich had one in 2009 with 10 blocks, so yes, you can.
"G" is for guard, Cheeks. Green and Aldrich are not guards. So, no, you can't.
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Thank you Lenny. Glad someone understood that.
Pretty lopsided poll. How many people voted “crapshoot”?
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I don't know which is a greater indictment of Wojo's ineptitude, his inability to construct a complete roster or his ineffective game planning and in-game adjustments. In any metric of measurement, he's fails miserably and is simply out if his league
I would add to this his consistent pattern of demotivating his team . CBS caught him excoriating the kids to play Angry as his face was turning red and angry. The kids just tuned him out.
In addition he has developed a unique specialty in building kids up and then throwing them under the bus. Does wonders for the team spirit.
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"G" is for guard, Cheeks. Green and Aldrich are not guards. So, no, you can't.
LOL. I'll be dead from a plane crash and these other guys will still post and I'll smile my ass off at your lunacy. All I ask is that when you are exposed and proven wrong that it isn't me, please man up and make a $1000.00 donation (you can afford it) for the Juvenile Diabetes fund to help people with Type 1 insulin dependent diabetes. I'll be dead, so it is on your honor code to do this.
Meanwhile, I'm just going to keep on laughing. I can tell Hoyle worked in athletics, I'm guessing MU. Never met him, I don't think. Clearly we have different politics, which is fine....but he knows what he is talking about with Buzz and you just don't like it...to bad.
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LOL. I'll be dead from a plane crash and these other guys will still post and I'll smile my ass off at your lunacy. All I ask is that when you are exposed and proven wrong that it isn't me, please man up and make a $1000.00 donation (you can afford it) for the Juvenile Diabetes fund to help people with Type 1 insulin dependent diabetes. I'll be dead, so it is on your honor code to do this.
Meanwhile, I'm just going to keep on laughing. I can tell Hoyle worked in athletics, I'm guessing MU. Never met him, I don't think. Clearly we have different politics, which is fine....but he knows what he is talking about with Buzz and you just don't like it...to bad.
You cant smile when youre dead...can you?
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You cant smile when youre dead...can you?
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LOL. I'll be dead from a plane crash and these other guys will still post and I'll smile my ass off at your lunacy. All I ask is that when you are exposed and proven wrong that it isn't me, please man up and make a $1000.00 donation (you can afford it) for the Juvenile Diabetes fund to help people with Type 1 insulin dependent diabetes. I'll be dead, so it is on your honor code to do this.
Meanwhile, I'm just going to keep on laughing. I can tell Hoyle worked in athletics, I'm guessing MU. Never met him, I don't think. Clearly we have different politics, which is fine....but he knows what he is talking about with Buzz and you just don't like it...to bad.
So when you die in a plane crash if someone keeps posting under the Billy Hoyle moniker you want me to "man up" and give $1000 to your charity. Odd prediction, worthy cause. Done.
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LOL made my day
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So when you die in a plane crash if someone keeps posting under the Billy Hoyle moniker you want me to "man up" and give $1000 to your charity. Odd prediction, worthy cause. Done.
Good. How about one more, if Billy proves he isn't me....you pay it out before hand so I can watch kids like my daughter benefit from the donation. If you are willing to donate when I'm dead and proven it isn't me, you should be willing to pay it proven regardless...right?
It is a worthy cause. Billy, going to need some help here but since this is $$$ for kids, I think this is worth it if Lenny steps up here. I know exactly how to do it, too. Photo of each of us with newspaper in town we live on with date from that day, impossible to replicate and preferably next to something local that proves we are each in a unique location. I don't know where Billy lives, but I sure as hell know I am not Billy....and the satisfaction on my face of you writing that check for those kids will go a long ways.
Come one dude, I know you are a good man as much ribbing as we do, I do know that you are. For a good cause and you will be able to find a second person that worked in college athletics that knows a bit more than you about your Curly impersonator that also coaches.
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Well, In post game interviews Wojo has said "this is all on me, it's not on the kids." So, fine. It's all on you Wojo. Figure it out.
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Good. How about one more, if Billy proves he isn't me....you pay it out before hand so I can watch kids like my daughter benefit from the donation. If you are willing to donate when I'm dead and proven it isn't me, you should be willing to pay it proven regardless...right?
It is a worthy cause. Billy, going to need some help here but since this is $$$ for kids, I think this is worth it if Lenny steps up here. I know exactly how to do it, too. Photo of each of us with newspaper in town we live on with date from that day, impossible to replicate and preferably next to something local that proves we are each in a unique location. I don't know where Billy lives, but I sure as hell know I am not Billy....and the satisfaction on my face of you writing that check for those kids will go a long ways.
Come one dude, I know you are a good man as much ribbing as we do, I do know that you are. For a good cause and you will be able to find a second person that worked in college athletics that knows a bit more than you about your Curly impersonator that also coaches.
I'll get back to you in a pm sometime in the next few days.
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I'll get back to you in a pm sometime in the next few days.
Sounds good. You will feel good in your heart helping kids.
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I would add to this his consistent pattern of demotivating his team . CBS caught him excoriating the kids to play Angry as his face was turning red and angry. The kids just tuned him out.
In addition he has developed a unique specialty in building kids up and then throwing them under the bus. Does wonders for the team spirit.
OMG. Are we really back to "demotivating" wojo again?
Fans are a finicky bunch. You don't like that wojo got loud and angry. Others liked izzo getting loud and angry and wanted wojo to be like that
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Pretty lopsided poll. How many people voted “crapshoot”?
Whoops my bad. That’s not an option. Guess we should edit the poll.
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BOT, namely Doc Rivers
Coulda shoulda had Hopkins...
Who, by the way, cinched his first first NCAA win in just his second season. Hopkins inherited a Romar-sized mess but has been named the Pac 12 COY in his only two seasons.
Guy has the Huskies playing above .700 ball and winning in The Dance.
And the BoT thought Wojo was the better choice...
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Coulda shoulda had Hopkins...
Who, by the way, cinched his first first NCAA win in just his second season. Hopkins inherited a Romar-sized mess but has been named the Pac 12 COY in his only two seasons.
Guy has the Huskies playing above .700 ball and winning in The Dance.
And the BoT thought Wojo was the better choice...
Could be they were wrong. Let's see how he does without Romar's guys before we begin making any final declarations.
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Well there we have it from the poll. Democracy in action
Now we need to go straight to impeachment.
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Well there we have it from the poll. Democracy in action
Now we need to go straight to impeachment.
Wojo lied, people died!
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OMG. Are we really back to "demotivating" wojo again?
Fans are a finicky bunch. You don't like that wojo got loud and angry. Others liked izzo getting loud and angry and wanted wojo to be like that
For me it was a little telling he had to have that kind of convo on the eve of an NCAA Tourney game. Especially when everyone was picking against us.
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In addition he has developed a unique specialty in building kids up and then throwing them under the bus. Does wonders for the team spirit.
Can you provide some examples to this?
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Can you provide some examples to this?
No. He doesn't.
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Can you provide some examples to this?
Like the Song goes: If you don't know me by now::
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Wonder if now, watching FSU’s defensive gameplan vs Morant is when Wojo is realizing his initial plan was bad and his refusal to adjust was even worse
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Turns out Murray State just has one guy. And Wojo’s game plan was grade school at best.
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Wonder if now, watching FSU’s defensive gameplan vs Morant is when Wojo is realizing his initial plan was bad and his refusal to adjust was even worse
FSU, length, athletic, speed, slashers. Playing Morant straight up, not rotating, letting him get his points, other players are not. FSU on fire though
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Wonder if now, watching FSU’s defensive gameplan vs Morant is when Wojo is realizing his initial plan was bad and his refusal to adjust was even worse
The bigger question is if Wojo is humble enough to see the flaws in his own decisions and to then consider other views. He strikes me as a little aloof. Not willing to compromise.
When it works, he's brilliant. When it doesn't, someone else is at fault.
Clearly FSU saw something in the tape that Wojo and crew didn't. These guys actually look like they're a top team playing against a mid major right now.
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Turns out Murray State just has one guy. And Wojo’s game plan was grade school at best.
Yup, after seeing this...looking like it’s squarley on Wojo now. Just completely whiffed on the game plan.
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Look at the difference in athleticsm. Murray way more athletic than mu
Fsu waay way way more athletic than murray
Its that simple
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When it works, he's brilliant. When it doesn't, someone else is at fault.
I'm legitimately asking - have you ever heard Wojo blame anyone other than himself?
FSU was hitting everything first half. But yes, guarding straight up and not allowing easy assists(tm) is working better than Wojo's plan.
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Wojo’s game plan was brutal. Period. We’ve beaten athletic teams this year. His miscalculation in defensive tactics was nothing short of brutal.
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I'm legitimately asking - have you ever heard Wojo blame anyone other than himself?
FSU was hitting everything first half. But yes, guarding straight up and not allowing easy assists(tm) is working better than Wojo's plan.
In a presser? No. But he knows when to say the right things. Hes a PR dream. I'm not convinced he believes what he says, though.
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Yep murray st not that good. The idea we should consistently lose to them by double digits is nonsensical. Turns out just a broken gameplan on the both ends of the floor. Hero ball and isos on offense while guys stand around and a broken defense with zero adjustments. I can not believe how many wide open shots they had. Haven't said this once all year but this is mostly on wojo. Secondly it's the inexcusable lack of speed on this team jeez
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Wonder if now, watching FSU’s defensive gameplan vs Morant is when Wojo is realizing his initial plan was bad and his refusal to adjust was even worse
I think this inadvertently points to the biggest problem we've had under Wojo, which is recruiting. Florida State has a bazillion guys that are 6'6"+ with 7-foot wingspans that can man Morant. We tried Anim & Bailey and neither could do it.
The problem is recruiting. Our best offensive players are generally average at best defenders. Our best defensive players are generally average offensively. The only guy above average on both ends is Sam Hauser. Otherwise, Markus, Joey, Sacar, Theo, Ed, & Bailey are all notably better on one end than the other.
Maybe it's just a matter of time, we've at least seen Wojo can build a competent unit on both ends. But the patience part can be difficult at times, especially when the bottom falls out as dramatically as it did this year.
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My favorite response for who is at fault is the Ja Morant being a lottery pick choice. ::)
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Aisle go ya won bedder. Evaluation of talent sucks two. Wojo hasta commit ta an offensive and defensive style of ball and recruit four it. How wood y'all describe Coach's signature offens and defense, hey?
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I think this inadvertently points to the biggest problem we've had under Wojo, which is recruiting. Florida State has a bazillion guys that are 6'6"+ with 7-foot wingspans that can man Morant. We tried Anim & Bailey and neither could do it.
The problem is recruiting. Our best offensive players are generally average at best defenders. Our best defensive players are generally average offensively. The only guy above average on both ends is Sam Hauser. Otherwise, Markus, Joey, Sacar, Theo, Ed, & Bailey are all notably better on one end than the other.
Maybe it's just a matter of time, we've at least seen Wojo can build a competent unit on both ends. But the patience part can be difficult at times, especially when the bottom falls out as dramatically as it did this year.
watching FSU right now has me thinking our ineffectiveness vs Murray State was more driven by personell vs game plan. FSU's long and lanky dudes are disrupting passing lanes and making assists difficult.
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watching FSU right now has me thinking our ineffectiveness vs Murray State was more driven by personell vs game plan. FSU's long and lanky dudes are disrupting passing lanes and making assists difficult.
Bailey is 6’8 no?
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Yup, after seeing this...looking like it’s squarley on Wojo now. Just completely whiffed on the game plan.
Kind of funny how Wojo has whiffed lots over his 5 years, but thankfully he is trending upward.
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Look at the difference in athleticsm. Murray way more athletic than mu
Fsu waay way way more athletic than murray
Its that simple
That’s part of it but it’s more than that. FSU is conceding Morant will get his and shutting everyone else down so he’s been reduced to a one man show.
I don’t even fault Wojo for his initial plan as much as I do his inability or unwillingness to adjust
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I think this inadvertently points to the biggest problem we've had under Wojo, which is recruiting. Florida State has a bazillion guys that are 6'6"+ with 7-foot wingspans that can man Morant. We tried Anim & Bailey and neither could do it.
The problem is recruiting. Our best offensive players are generally average at best defenders. Our best defensive players are generally average offensively. The only guy above average on both ends is Sam Hauser. Otherwise, Markus, Joey, Sacar, Theo, Ed, & Bailey are all notably better on one end than the other.
Maybe it's just a matter of time, we've at least seen Wojo can build a competent unit on both ends. But the patience part can be difficult at times, especially when the bottom falls out as dramatically as it did this year.
I agree with this, but it’s been 5 years. Waiting to see if it’s just a matter of time is getting old.
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That’s part of it but it’s more than that. FSU is conceding Morant will get his and shutting everyone else down so he’s been reduced to a one man show. ]
I don’t even fault Wojo for his initial plan as much as I do his inability or unwillingness to adjust
Bingo. The difference between a seasoned accomplished coach and a young guy trying to make a name for himself is the willingness to realize you're not a genius.
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Looking at what Florida State is doing to the Murray State juggernaut that roled over us, it is clear who's at fault for the loss.
If I have to hear the announcers say what a great game plan Hamilton put in place to keep MS from doing what they want to do once more, I'm going to puke.
I can't help but think back to Kevin O'Neil using a triangle and two vs. Kentucky, I think, to neutralize their stud in the NCAAs in 1993 (?). Had not used it at any time previously at Marquette but the team was so we'll prepared that they executed it perfectly and won the game.
What a difference a coach who can game plan and adjust can make...
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I’ll also say I’m sad I didn’t go out of my way to watch more of Morant this year. That kid’s game is absolutely incredible and he’s going to be a dynamite PG in the NBA
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Looking at what Florida State is doing to the Murray State juggernaut that roled over us, it is clear who's at fault for the loss.
If I have to hear the announcers say what a great game plan Hamilton put in place to keep MS from doing what they want to do once more, I'm going to puke.
I can't help but think back to Kevin O'Neil using a triangle and two vs. Kentucky, I think, to neutralize their stud in the NCAAs in 1993 (?). Had not used it at any time previously at Marquette but the team was so we'll prepared that they executed it perfectly and won the game.
What a difference a coach who can game plan and adjust can make...
You are right. Maybe we need to start asking a key question
What the hell did Wojo learn in his 15-20 years at Duke, besides how to make awesome power points?
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Bailey is 6’8 no?
Yes but he's just one guy
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I’ll also say I’m sad I didn’t go out of my way to watch more of Morant this year. That kid’s game is absolutely incredible and he’s going to be a dynamite PG in the NBA
Me too.
I first watch him in the semis of the OVC.
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You are right. Maybe we need to start asking a key question
What the hell did Wojo learn in his 15-20 years at Duke, besides how to make awesome power points?
Dumb.
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Bailey is 6’8 no?
Yeah, but FSU has like 7 Baileys (and a Christ Koumadje).
I agree with this, but it’s been 5 years. Waiting to see if it’s just a matter of time is getting old.
I don't disagree. As a fan, I'm getting antsy for tangible March results. I can live with an early exit, March happens, but it would be easier to stomach with a Big East title or two in the bank.
The thing is, I'm also nervous about starting over. Say Wojo did leave, after 2020 most of our leaders leave, there would be more transfers, recruiting connections would need to be rebuilt. It would be even more waiting.
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You are right. Maybe we need to start asking a key question
What the hell did Wojo learn in his 15-20 years at Duke, besides how to make awesome power points?
Duke, for the most part, has the athletes that allow them to play their game no matter who the opponent.
There are exceptions to this from time to time but for the most part it's true. I believe Wojo has demonstrated repeatedly his unwillingness or inability to change the plan of attack (or defense) because of the way Duke was able to play.
This is why he should be forced to hire a Hank/Wainwright in the off-season.
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100% Ja.
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Murray State is not impressive. Similarly, Wojo is not impressive. Put the two together, and you get a made for TV special.
Let's just hope Wojo can learn from this. Personally, I remain skeptical. But I'm hopeful, nonetheless.
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Dumb.
Blind allegiance is dumb. Open your eyes. Make Wojo earn your respect. Hes so mediocre it hurts. Your fanboy status reeks of spilled kool-aid.
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Murray State is not impressive. Similarly, Wojo is not impressive. Put the two together, and you get a made for TV special.
Let's just hope Wojo can learn from this. Personally, I remain skeptical. But I'm hopeful, nonetheless.
I 2nd this on every level.
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Debbie the analyst: “Give Ja his points and stay home with the others”. FSU plan to perfection, they had the players to pull it off.
Two blowouts tonight and Gonzaga looking like another.
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Blind allegiance is dumb. Open your eyes. Make Wojo earn your respect. Hes so mediocre it hurts. Your fanboy status reeks of spilled kool-aid.
I'm not blindly loyal to anyone. Wojo has improved since he got here. Doesn't mean he is the end all be all....who we going to get? I see a group of you bitch every God Damn day, but no solutions. Who are we replacing him with? You know we only get assistants, what assistant are we hiring? Please, instead of your incessant bitching....name who we are going to get that is going to knock it out of the park.
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I'm not blindly loyal to anyone. Wojo has improved since he got here. Doesn't mean he is the end all be all....who we going to get? I see a group of you bitch every God Damn day, but no solutions. Who are we replacing him with? You know we only get assistants, what assistant are we hiring? Please, instead of your incessant bitching....name who we are going to get that is going to knock it out of the park.
Uh uh Tom Izzo.
Your game is tired. Obviously the BOT can end its relationship with Wojo but it cant just pluck who it wants to replace him, so what is the point of playing your game.
My answer is Tom Izzo.
Cheeks: “AHHH THATS RIDICULOUS YOU CANT GET TOM IZZO.”
You are asking this question so you can just get the upper hand and crap on the identified candidate, even though none of us have any idea who is available.
I would honestly rather hire you so we could move on and give up on this Wojo charade.
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I'm not blindly loyal to anyone. Wojo has improved since he got here. Doesn't mean he is the end all be all....who we going to get? I see a group of you bitch every God Damn day, but no solutions. Who are we replacing him with? You know we only get assistants, what assistant are we hiring? Please, instead of your incessant bitching....name who we are going to get that is going to knock it out of the park.
idiotic statement. Its not scoop posters job to hire a competent coach. So by your logic we should hang on to a mediocre coach because some fan on scoop can't find a better replacement. what a ridiculous argument even for you. not saying we should get rid of wojo yet but not getting rid of a coach because a fan can't find someone better. yikes.
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idiotic statement. Its not scoop posters job to hire a competent coach. So by your logic we should hang on to a mediocre coach because some fan on scoop can't find a better replacement. what a ridiculous argument even for you. not saying we should get rid of wojo yet but not getting rid of a coach because a fan can't find someone better. yikes.
Truer words have never been spoken
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Is Jesus not a choice? I blame God and Jesus.
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Is Jesus not a choice? I blame God and Jesus.
He’s coaching liberty at the moment.
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I'm not blindly loyal to anyone. Wojo has improved since he got here. Doesn't mean he is the end all be all....who we going to get? I see a group of you bitch every God Damn day, but no solutions. Who are we replacing him with? You know we only get assistants, what assistant are we hiring? Please, instead of your incessant bitching....name who we are going to get that is going to knock it out of the park.
It doesn't matter who gets recommended. You'll refuse to accept all of them. That's your thing.
At the end of the day, I could coach the team to a 20 point loss to a mid major. For some reason, you seem to think Wojos performance matters less than his image. As a fan, I just dont buy that.
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Is Jesus not a choice? I blame God and Jesus.
jesus = crapshoot. need 5 years years to judge.
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Dumb.
You are right. Wojo learned nothing=dumb
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At the end of the day, I could coach the team to a 20 point loss to a mid major.
You see, this statement makes the rest of yours seem less than "well reasoned". For future reference.
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Is Jesus not a choice? I blame God and Jesus.
Jesus Shuttlesworth would actually be a better coach
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You see, this statement makes the rest of yours seem less than "well reasoned". For future reference.
Sure, it's a bit exaggerated. But the point is that Wojos coaching didnt gain us very much against MSU. And that is very well exemplified by seeing the drubbing they took today against a veteran coach.
Do you think the team would have lost by significantly more if they had a skianth gameplan vs the Wojo gameplan?
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Wojo. Easy answer. No good adjustments second half. Continuous doubling of Morant was bad enough but doubling other guys on MSU was a very poor decision.
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I miss Buzz. The Murray state game in ‘12 was a war. We had the toughness to get by them. This team and culture is pathetic.
This game reminded me of Marquette vs. UNC. Buzz's game plan in that game was wrong. The only chance we had to beat UNC was to hit three pointers. Buzz was afraid of UNC's fast break off of misses, so he did not allow the team to take any outside shots. He kept having the team feed the ball to O'tule, who I believe ended up with zero points. Maybe we do not win either of these games, but in both cases the coach's game plan took away our chance to win the game.
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Yeah, but FSU has like 7 Baileys (and a Christ Koumadje).
I don't disagree. As a fan, I'm getting antsy for tangible March results. I can live with an early exit, March happens, but it would be easier to stomach with a Big East title or two in the bank.
The thing is, I'm also nervous about starting over. Say Wojo did leave, after 2020 most of our leaders leave, there would be more transfers, recruiting connections would need to be rebuilt. It would be even more waiting.
So FSU has 7 guys that cannot shoot? Or 7 guys that play average defense.
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Players,didn’t come to play! Period! They looked uninspired
If wojo is making any changes in game plans during the game, I don’t see it. I don’t see us adapting to changes made by other teams on us. I think one of the big reasons for our late. Season collapse was that other teams saw what we were doing well to beat other teams and went after it.
A pitcher comes into a game mowing down batters. Good hitters figure out what he’s doing and make him pay 2nd and,3rd time thru
Wojo, at least from what I saw and obviously with the results, made little to no changes OR if he did, they weren’t adequate
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This game reminded me of Marquette vs. UNC. Buzz's game plan in that game was wrong. The only chance we had to beat UNC was to hit three pointers. Buzz was afraid of UNC's fast break off of misses, so he did not allow the team to take any outside shots. He kept having the team feed the ball to O'tule, who I believe ended up with zero points. Maybe we do not win either of these games, but in both cases the coach's game plan took away our chance to win the game.
Just wow! Has it come to this, that we now miss Buzz.....Hmmm....come to think of it
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Dawkins got a bedder shot at succeedin' K dan Wojo, aina?
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Dawkins got a bedder shot at succeedin' K dan Wojo, aina?
Had to get fired first, aina?
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Just wow! Has it come to this, that we now miss Buzz.....Hmmm....come to think of it
You bitched constantly when Buzz was the coach...the irony.