Pretty clear that Wojo just got game planned off the floor, out of the gym, and onto the bus by a random guy from the Ohio Valley Conference. But I'd like to get thoughts from those still defending Wojo on why this loss had nothing to do with him.... or the BET... or the end of the regular season... or the last 5 seasons in general.
I'll hang up and listen.
Because hes a "stand up guy". With a good heart and a good pedigree.
Buzz for all his faults could squeeze a lot out of some juco transfers. I miss buzz
Yeah, not a good look for the coaching staff today. I don't think we should blow up next years team by replacing him this offseason, but unless there's a great season next year he may need to go
Everything was bad today, including the coaching staff. Lotta work to do this offseason.
Well if the Wojo bashers get to ignore the first 27 games of the season wouldn't the slurpers get to ignore the final 7 games of the season? Or does is that just a one way street?
He runs a clean program, but so does Roy Williams >:(
Nm
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2019, 06:08:53 PM
Well if the Wojo bashers get to ignore the first 27 games of the season wouldn't the slurpers get to ignore the final 7 games of the season? Or does is that just a one way street?
I mean if you look at the season or his tenure as a whole, it's objectively been full of underachievement and disappointment. Culminating today. The high point of his tenure was a 7 game run through a painfully mediocre Big East. And we didn't even win the Big East at the end of the day. I'll gladly analyze entire years or Wojo's whole tenure - doesn't change my opinion of him at all.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2019, 06:08:53 PM
Well if the Wojo bashers get to ignore the first 27 games of the season wouldn't the slurpers get to ignore the final 7 games of the season? Or does is that just a one way street?
Are you ignoring 0 NCAA wins in five years too?
Quote from: jonny09 on March 21, 2019, 06:17:19 PM
Are you ignoring 0 NCAA wins in five years too?
Oh. When the poster was talking about how we can excuse the last 7 games of the season I figured we were talking this season, not our NCAA Tournament success in the last 5 years.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2019, 06:19:03 PM
Oh. When the poster was talking about how we can excuse the last 7 games of the season I figured we were talking this season, not our NCAA Tournament success in the last 5 years.
This season wasn't at all impressive. It's no type of feather in Wojo's cap. We were massively overrated in the middle of the season after a strong stretch through some very down Big East teams.
Quote from: DJO's Jaw on March 21, 2019, 05:54:52 PM
Yeah, not a good look for the coaching staff today. I don't think we should blow up next years team by replacing him this offseason, but unless there's a great season next year he may need to go
This is where everyone's head should be.
Top 10-15 recruiting class in 2015 just graduated, top 20ish 2016 class has one year left.
Not a single NCAA tourney win to show for it. Does Wojo need nothing but 5 stars in order to win??
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2019, 06:08:53 PM
Well if the Wojo bashers get to ignore the first 27 games of the season wouldn't the slurpers get to ignore the final 7 games of the season? Or does is that just a one way street?
not about how you start, about how you finish. end of season performance is way more important, to think otherwise is comical
Wojo can go anytime.
MS totally more athletic - who is that on?
MU game plan totally pathetic - who is that?
MS superstar with a zillion assists and makes teammates better, MU superstar plays hero ball - who is that on?
MU totally crapped their pants down the stretch with the BE title in sight - who is that on?
This team won a lot of close games against the crappy big east. They caught Louisville, Bucky and k-state when they were down.
They started almost every game slow. They started almost every 2nd half poorly.
This team's record is a fraud - it's on Wojo.
Quote from: LAMUfan on March 21, 2019, 06:23:19 PM
This is where everyone's head should be.
But in many ways, this is the actual perfect time to do it if you're the AD and you really believe Wojo isn't the real deal. Gives the new coach a strong roster coming in similar to what Buzz had to build momentum.
All you do is waste years and money keeping on a guy who did "good enough" to stay employed. If you know Wojo isn't the guy, you should not wait around to let him go.
Enough already.
Fire the sonuvabitch!
Quote from: Aughnanure on March 21, 2019, 06:31:28 PM
But in many ways, this is the actual perfect time to do it if you're the AD and you really believe Wojo isn't the real deal. Gives the new coach a strong roster coming in similar to what Buzz had to build momentum.
All you do is waste years and money keeping on a guy who did "good enough" to stay employed. If you know Wojo isn't the guy, you should not wait around to let him go.
I agree with this "cold" take. Now is the time to replace Wojo. There remain some seniors (whether Howard leaves or Joey leaves after a Wojo termination, who knows?), but there is something to build upon for 2020 and beyond.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2019, 06:08:53 PM
Well if the Wojo bashers get to ignore the first 27 games of the season wouldn't the slurpers get to ignore the final 7 games of the season? Or does is that just a one way street?
Yeah it's really the beginning of the season that matters most. That's where coaches really shine.
anyone hear what excuses wojo came up with after the game?
Quote from: GrimmReaper33 on March 21, 2019, 06:24:26 PM
Top 10-15 recruiting class in 2015 just graduated, top 20ish 2016 class has one year left.
Not a single NCAA tourney win to show for it. Does Wojo need nothing but 5 stars in order to win??
I would guess that with exception of Morant, all the other players were two stars from Rivals. Moran was a two, until he imploded his senior year.
Some stated that Markus and Sam were injured and the true facts about the injuries will come out after the tournament. Looking forward to seeing that. That would be a good Wojo excuse.
Markus in last two games:
10 for 42 from the field. 23%
5 for 23 from three point 21%
That does not help Wojo's cause either.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 21, 2019, 06:30:55 PM
Wojo can go anytime.
MS totally more athletic - who is that on?
MU game plan totally pathetic - who is that?
MS superstar with a zillion assists and makes teammates better, MU superstar plays hero ball - who is that on?
MU totally crapped their pants down the stretch with the BE title in sight - who is that on?
This team won a lot of close games against the crappy big east. They caught Louisville, Bucky and k-state when they were down.
They started almost every game slow. They started almost every 2nd half poorly.
This team's record is a fraud - it's on Wojo.
Preach homeboy! Well said.
Quote from: warriors141 on March 21, 2019, 06:36:42 PM
anyone hear what excuses wojo came up with after the game?
I watched it. Said Murray State is an outstanding team.
One guy said to Wojo..."you have a shooting guard sitting next to you, etc etc". Should have seen the look on Howard's face lol
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 21, 2019, 05:51:53 PM
Pretty clear that Wojo just got game planned off the floor, out of the gym, and onto the bus by a random guy from the Ohio Valley Conference. But I'd like to get thoughts from those still defending Wojo on why this loss had nothing to do with him.... or the BET... or the end of the regular season... or the last 5 seasons in general.
I'll hang up and listen.
You will get 1, 2, or any combination of the following:
1. A steaming pile of bull crap
2. Crickets
3. More excuses
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2019, 06:08:53 PM
Well if the Wojo bashers get to ignore the first 27 games of the season wouldn't the slurpers get to ignore the final 7 games of the season? Or does is that just a one way street?
Now that is really piss poor.
What you guys fail to accept...Buzz was given a leash, and he brought in his guys. Some were great players and great people, a few weren't. The university got burned by Buzz and those players in a bad way. University said no more. You guys wanting Buzz back and what Buzz was allowed to do....good luck with that. University isn't going to get burned a second time. They want to win, but they want to win in a way that keeps them out of the bad press. That doesn't sit well with some of you that are in the mode of anything goes, etc. But you aren't running the shots, the university leadership is.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2019, 06:19:03 PM
Oh. When the poster was talking about how we can excuse the last 7 games of the season I figured we were talking this season, not our NCAA Tournament success in the last 5 years.
This season was a complete bust.
No pre season tourney win
No conf season champ
No conf tourney champ
No NCAA win
I love these players and I don't mind Wojo but this year was a bust.
Our ROI is a disaster.
Quote from: AirPunch on March 21, 2019, 06:45:48 PM
I watched it. Said Murray State is an outstanding team.
One guy said to Wojo..."you have a shooting guard sitting next to you, etc etc". Should have seen the look on Howard's face lol
where did you see this?
Quote from: Cheeks on March 21, 2019, 06:51:46 PM
What you guys fail to accept...Buzz was given a leash, and he brought in his guys. Some were great players and great people, a few weren't. The university got burned by Buzz and those players in a bad way. University said no more. You guys wanting Buzz back and what Buzz was allowed to do....good luck with that. University isn't going to get burned a second time. They want to win, but they want to win in a way that keeps them out of the bad press. That doesn't sit well with some of you that are in the mode of anything goes, etc. But you aren't running the shots, the university leadership is.
Who? Who burned the University? Name names.
Quote from: warriors141 on March 21, 2019, 06:53:19 PM
where did you see this?
Marquette comes on at 26 min.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e4bHpV5iqEk
What an awful loss. So disappointed. Embarrassing worst loss of the day. Coaching was terrible.
We looked like we played in slow motion.
Through 5 years-
Mike Deane: 100-55, NIT runner up and quarterfinal, 1-2 NCAA.
Steve Wojciechowski: 97-69, NIT quarterfinal, 0-2 NCAA.
Quote from: AirPunch on March 21, 2019, 06:55:06 PM
Marquette comes on at 26 min.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e4bHpV5iqEk
typical weak crap from wojo. murray state hadn't beat anyone all year, yet he talked them up like an nba team
In order to feel better about the loss Marquette Athletics will post 17 instagrams about Wade, Jimmy & Jae all the while patting itself on the back for no longer being a program of Juco's and Prop 48s.
i think the off the court issues of tbe buzz era are blown way out of proportion. This was not a memphis or kentucky level program dirty dealings.
Well stated...
But what will change next year ?
Quote from: The Lens on March 21, 2019, 06:52:05 PM
This season was a complete bust.
No pre season tourney win
No conf season champ
No conf tourney champ
No NCAA win
I love these players and I don't mind Wojo but this year was a bust.
Our ROI is a disaster.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 21, 2019, 07:13:27 PM
Well stated...
But what will change next year ?
Nothing. Al right, there is the possibility that one of the PG recruits is an all-world freshman and takes the team to the next level.
If I had to bet, Marquette probably makes the tournament and it's a crap shoot whether the Warriors make it out of the first round. Then the 2020-2021 season is a step-back and we debate the merits of the NIT.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 21, 2019, 07:06:39 PM
Through 5 years-
Mike Deane: 100-55, NIT runner up and quarterfinal, 1-2 NCAA.
Steve Wojciechowski: 97-69, NIT quarterfinal, 0-2 NCAA.
Trajectory!
Deane:
21-12
23-8
22-9
20-11
14-15
Wojo:
13-19
20-13
19-13
21-14
24-10
Wojo has a lot to learn, but if you don't notice different trends for both coaches as they get their players, you're just making noise.
Wojo crapped the bed!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 21, 2019, 07:36:07 PM
Trajectory!
Deane:
21-12
23-8
22-9
20-11
14-15
Wojo:
13-19
20-13
19-13
21-14
24-10
Wojo has a lot to learn, but if you don't notice different trends for both coaches as they get their players, you're just making noise.
Year 2, 3, and 4 look quite similar, honestly. Especially when you consider the ultimate outcomes (nothing, NCAA, NIT). Year 5 aesthetically looks better but it's only fair to qualify it with the fact that the Big East was undoubtedly way down in Year 5... and we got spanked by a midmajor in Round 1. There's no trajectory.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 21, 2019, 07:06:39 PM
Through 5 years-
Mike Deane: 100-55, NIT runner up and quarterfinal, 1-2 NCAA.
Steve Wojciechowski: 97-69, NIT quarterfinal, 0-2 NCAA.
I put up a poll at the beginning of Wojos tenure asking if he would exceed Mike Deane. The answer now that the result are in is he didn't.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 21, 2019, 07:47:08 PM
Year 5 aesthetically looks better but it's only fair to qualify it with the fact that the Big East was undoubtedly way down in Year 5...
Deane's year 5 went 6-10 in CUSA! Lost to mighty SLU (8-8 CUSA) in the CUSA tourney!
Wojo has improved Marquette basketball in his tenure. Not as quickly as anyone would have liked. But comparing his 5 years to Deane's is a bad argument
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 21, 2019, 07:56:12 PM
Deane's year 5 went 6-10 in CUSA! Lost to mighty SLU (8-8 CUSA) in the CUSA tourney!
Wojo has improved Marquette basketball in his tenure. Not as quickly as anyone would have liked. But comparing his 5 years to Deane's is a bad argument
Yes Wojo has been better then Deane, but many expect a coach at Marquette to not be compared with a mid major. Hmmm?
Quote from: #UnleashCain on March 21, 2019, 07:57:35 PM
Yes Wojo has been better then Deane, but many expect a coach at Marquette to not be compared with a mid major. Hmmm?
Actually, I heard Wojo channel his best Mike Deane in an interview when he talked about how hard it is to make the NCAA. Um, not with the budget you're given. Big mistake with that comment.
Quote from: jsglow on March 21, 2019, 08:01:16 PM
Actually, I heard Wojo channel his best Mike Deane in an interview when he talked about how hard it is to make the NCAA. Um, not with the budget you're given. Big mistake with that comment.
Before wojo
8/9
AW 2/5.
I understand some of yall watched in the 80's and 90's when MU was a laughing stock. But there are those of us under the age of 35 who expect Marquette to not just be on the bubble every year, but consistently make some noise.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 21, 2019, 07:56:12 PM
Deane's year 5 went 6-10 in CUSA! Lost to mighty SLU (8-8 CUSA) in the CUSA tourney!
Wojo has improved Marquette basketball in his tenure. Not as quickly as anyone would have liked. But comparing his 5 years to Deane's is a bad argument
Just providing some numbers.
And it's far from a fact that Wojo has improved MU basketball.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 21, 2019, 08:12:38 PM
And it's far from a fact that Wojo has improved MU basketball.
In his 5 years, pretty much a fact.
vs other MU coaches, not a fact. agreed?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 21, 2019, 08:18:49 PM
In his 5 years, pretty much a fact.
vs other MU coaches, not a fact. agreed?
OK? He improved the team from a team that literally had majority walk-on caliber guys left because the old coach left and everyone else transferred out? This isn't a point in the Wojo column. Anyone with a pulse and the Marquette budget could've improved it from what it was. The longer admin sticks with Wojo with these types of results, the sooner this will become the identity of the MU program. Are you OK with that?
Quote from: Cheeks on March 21, 2019, 06:51:46 PM
What you guys fail to accept...Buzz was given a leash, and he brought in his guys. Some were great players and great people, a few weren't. The university got burned by Buzz and those players in a bad way. University said no more. You guys wanting Buzz back and what Buzz was allowed to do....good luck with that. University isn't going to get burned a second time. They want to win, but they want to win in a way that keeps them out of the bad press. That doesn't sit well with some of you that are in the mode of anything goes, etc. But you aren't running the shots, the university leadership is.
How did uni get burned great marketing in deep tourneys runs. Nobody outside Milwaukee gave a care about the other stuff perpetrated by one player
That's one uncomfortable interview until the players left. I thought Wojo did fine afterwards.
I noticed the bandage on Wojo's knuckle. I didn't notice if it was there during the game. Punch something in the locker room maybe?
(http://media.indiedb.com/images/groups/1/1/84/668e3c06.gif)
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 21, 2019, 10:52:11 PM
That's one uncomfortable interview until the players left. I thought Wojo did fine afterwards.
I noticed the bandage on Wojo's knuckle. I didn't notice if it was there during the game. Punch something in the locker room maybe?
(http://media.indiedb.com/images/groups/1/1/84/668e3c06.gif)
Ask wades and other slurpers, they'll say Wojo is anything but soft and coddling..
Guys as soft as they come. Refer to his providence post game interview 2 years ago.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 21, 2019, 07:06:39 PM
Through 5 years-
Mike Deane: 100-55, NIT runner up and quarterfinal, 1-2 NCAA.
Steve Wojciechowski: 97-69, NIT quarterfinal, 0-2 NCAA.
OMG
Deane had a NCAA team he inherited, and left 5 years later with no post season of any kind and Krunti Hester as our lone recruit.
Wojo took over a non Postseason team and now in years 3, 4 and 5 he has gone to the postseason with almost everyone back next year
Trajectories totally inverted
Quote from: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on March 21, 2019, 07:12:37 PM
i think the off the court issues of tbe buzz era are blown way out of proportion. This was not a memphis or kentucky level program dirty dealings.
Go start a college, become a president and you can decide how it is run, what is important, etc. Instead we have a BOT and leadership that says this is unacceptable. Thank God.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-marquette-sex-assaults-1111-20111111-story.html
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-marquette-sex-assaults-20110621-story.html
Etc, etc. I remember the conspiracy crew here that said this was the Trbune and DePaul out to nail MU. Boy was that rich.
Quote from: The Lens on March 21, 2019, 06:52:05 PM
This season was a complete bust.
No pre season tourney win
No conf season champ
No conf tourney champ
No NCAA win
I love these players and I don't mind Wojo but this year was a bust.
Our ROI is a disaster.
Big East player of Year, 2nd team AA., Hauser 2nd team all Big East, Joey Freshmen of the Year Big East
Largest attendance in years. National spotlight most of the year. ROI is a disaster? We made more money this year than we have in quite a few years due to attendance and NCAA tournament unit.
Quote from: The Lens on March 21, 2019, 06:53:57 PM
Who? Who burned the University? Name names.
Is this serious, because I think you know the answer
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 21, 2019, 07:47:08 PM
Year 2, 3, and 4 look quite similar, honestly. Especially when you consider the ultimate outcomes (nothing, NCAA, NIT). Year 5 aesthetically looks better but it's only fair to qualify it with the fact that the Big East was undoubtedly way down in Year 5... and we got spanked by a midmajor in Round 1. There's no trajectory.
No they don't. We can line up power ratings if you wish to play this game. Deane never coached in the Big East, the ratings are not similar, the recruiting not even close to the same.
Quote from: Cheeks on March 22, 2019, 12:32:21 AM
Big East player of Year, 2nd team AA., Hauser 2nd team all Big East, Joey Freshmen of the Year Big East
Largest attendance in years. National spotlight most of the year. ROI is a disaster? We made more money this year than we have in quite a few years due to attendance and NCAA tournament unit.
Now there you go again.
(https://foreignpolicymag.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/regan92538580b21.jpg)
As with your inexplicable defense of the Arrogant Asswipe of Athens, your unstinting support of Wojo defies understanding.
Both leaders brought hateful attention to our Warriors that caused deep damage to our identity as ferocious competitors.
Granted, the Asswipe of Athens shamed our university on the biggest stage of all but Wojo's humiliation was at the hands of an undistinguished mid-major of very modest accomplishment. Very modest, indeed.
Quote from: Jon on March 22, 2019, 12:58:34 AM
Now there you go again.
(https://foreignpolicymag.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/regan92538580b21.jpg)
As with your inexplicable defense of the Arrogant Asswipe of Athens, your unstinting support of Wojo defies understanding.
Both leaders brought hateful attention to our Warriors that caused deep damage to our identity as ferocious competitors.
Granted, the Asswipe of Athens shamed our university on the biggest stage of all but Wojo's humiliation was at the hands of an undistinguished mid-major of very modest accomplishment. Very modest, indeed.
Sorry, but I believe we can win and do it with integrity without the off the court nonsense. We will agree to disagree, I guess.
We competed just fine most of the year, not sure why people are ignoring that. Terrible finish.
Quote from: Cheeks on March 22, 2019, 01:05:38 AM
Sorry, but I believe we can win and do it with integrity without the off the court nonsense. We will agree to disagree, I guess.
We competed just fine most of the year, not sure why people are ignoring that. Terrible finish.
Terrible finish? That's akin to saying WW II was a misunderstanding among nations.
As Blake reminds us so aptly in Glengarry Glen Ross, one must always be closing.
The end of this season wasn't just terrible; it was decidedly shameful. Let's hope Mitch and Murray from downtown agree that Wojo gets neither the Cadillac nor the steak knives.
(https://i.imgur.com/qVjgnYXh.jpg)
Simple, the Big East is not all it's promoted to be. When our team tried the throtel back they over did it. We got behind the power curve.
They left their heart and soul on the floor at the garden, I really feel for them. I'm back to, screw the Big East.
Also, St. Johns did the same thing to our team, they were also more athletic.
For some of you ROI is the measuring criteria, based on that the University is having their cake and eating it. They have an academic image while making money from basketball.
The BOT is a naive bunch of wimps, but they are running a great university, pitty it has a poor basketball team. It's all about $$$ and image, not winning, I get it. Look behind the curtain. Remember Vince? "WINNING ISN'T EVERYTHING, IT'S THE ONLY THING"
That old GBP philosophy is far removed from the BOT approach. If the BOT asked me to join I would respectfully decline.
Does anyone remember Kevin O'Neill?
Compare Wojo to Kevin O'Neill in year 5 - O'Neill led the Warriors to the Sweet 16 with a big win over Kentucky, left a loaded in-coming team, and established a recruiting pipeline that carried Mike Deane until Deane's flaws as a recruiter were exposed.
Also, when Kevin O'Neill started Marquette was effectively what remains after the dumpster fire is over. The old gym was the practice facility and if you believe O'Neill, his starting salary was approximately 1/10th of what Wojo makes (adjusted for inflation).
In year 5 of the Wojo era I was expecting Kevin O'Neill like performance given the salary and resources, and we are debating Mike Deane levels of performance. This is sad.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 21, 2019, 10:52:11 PM
That's one uncomfortable interview until the players left. I thought Wojo did fine afterwards.
I noticed the bandage on Wojo's knuckle. I didn't notice if it was there during the game. Punch something in the locker room maybe?
(http://media.indiedb.com/images/groups/1/1/84/668e3c06.gif)
Nah, he was busy picking his nose during the game and injured his knuckle
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 21, 2019, 07:56:12 PM
Deane's year 5 went 6-10 in CUSA! Lost to mighty SLU (8-8 CUSA) in the CUSA tourney!
Wojo has improved Marquette basketball in his tenure. Not as quickly as anyone would have liked. But comparing his 5 years to Deane's is a bad argument
If you only look at the accomplishments over the total of the five years Deane wins. But Deane came in with a young, full cupboard through O'Neill's recruiting. He couldn't restock it and was eventually leading us over a cliff. Wojo started with an empty cupboard and have improved it immensely. He just doesn't have the right mix of good players and doesn't know what to do with the ones he has when his original plan is successfully countered.
Not a big fan of Wojo yet, but I think we were right to get rid of Deane and I am pretty sure I would keep Wojo.
Quote from: Cheeks on March 22, 2019, 12:32:53 AM
Is this serious, because I think you know the answer
Yes I am serious. No scholarships lost, no wins vacated, no banners brought down. We had a terrible newspaper article and some allegations that were never substantiated. You continue move in the shadows, talking about ghosts and shoes that will drop. When? Where? Who?
Quote from: Cheeks on March 22, 2019, 12:32:21 AM
Big East player of Year, 2nd team AA., Hauser 2nd team all Big East, Joey Freshmen of the Year Big East
Largest attendance in years. National spotlight most of the year. ROI is a disaster? We made more money this year than we have in quite a few years due to attendance and NCAA tournament unit.
OK, so we're spending millions on a giant PR campaign. And in some respects you are right BUT most alums want some more at the end of the day. Losing 6 of their last 7 will have an impact. Many non MU fans came out to see the Forum bc they were priced out of Bucks games. If you don't think this is bad, I don't know what to say. I know a lot of very reasonable and seasoned fans and they are not happy.