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If Markus returns, I'm struggling to see a great need on next years roster (not that it wouldn't be nice to have extra depth).
PG is the one question mark. We lose JC, but pick up Koby and low-ranked freshman Akanno. Markus and Greg can also play the role.
2Guard - Sacar will be the locked in starter and likely remain our only slasher (though it looks like Koby can dabble).
Joey/Bailey/Jamal
Sam
Ed/Theo
If we do look at grad transfers, I'd like to see an athletic slasher with great court vision.
If Markus leaves then we'll have to find a high volume scorer to replace his 25 ppg.
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 19, 2019, 10:41:55 AM
If Markus returns, I'm struggling to see a great need on next years roster (not that it wouldn't be nice to have extra depth).
PG is the one question mark. We lose JC, but pick up Koby and low-ranked freshman Akanno. Markus and Greg can also play the role.
2Guard - Sacar will be the locked in starter and likely remain our only slasher (though it looks like Koby can dabble).
Joey/Bailey/Jamal
Sam
Ed/Theo
If we do look at grad transfers, I'd like to see an athletic slasher with great court vision.
If Markus leaves then we'll have to find a high volume scorer to replace his 25 ppg.
Seems reasonable, although not sure we have to really have to find a guy to "replace" Markus' 25 ppg in this scenario.
Isn't it reasonable to assume that if Markus leaves, Sam and Joey each will take more shots and score more points, especially with Joey taking the obligatory big step forward between frosh-soph years? Let's say it's 8-10 more ppg between the Hausers. Now, let's say Koby averages 10 ppg and Elliott averages 5. There's 23-25 ppg right there without bringing in anybody else.
As for the title of this thread, I have to admit that I'm leery of how much a grad transfer from a mid-major is really going to provide. JCS seemed the perfect fit. Aside from a handful of decent games, it hasn't worked out. Maybe he'll have a couple decent games in the tourney.
Markus ain't leaving lol. The NBA is not looking for a 5'9 shooting guard with a bad dribble and horrible court vision. What he does he does very well. But it's a dime a dozen skill in the nba.
Quote from: #UnleashCain on March 19, 2019, 11:15:23 AM
Markus ain't leaving lol. The NBA is not looking for a 5'9 shooting guard with a bad dribble and horrible court vision. What he does he does very well. But it's a dime a dozen skill in the nba.
Almost nothing you said here is true. Except hopefully that Markus isn't leaving.
I'm always open to adding more talent
A couple other names:
UMASS Luwane Pipkins
Justin Pierce from William & Mary
Pierce already has a laundry list of offers from HMs after just a couple days.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 19, 2019, 11:18:33 AM
Almost nothing you said here is true. Except hopefully that Markus isn't leaving.
Markus is 5'10,
maybe. But he certainly does not possess a great handle or court vision. It's going to be tough for a shooting/scoring-minded guard of his size to succeed at the next level. Players like IT, Barea have great handle and court vision. Nate Robinson was an athletic freak.
I think Markus is a hard enough worker to where he could really improve his point guard skills returning to MU. At best right now, he's a guy that will put up big numbers in the G-league but struggle to get anything past some 10-day contracts.
I don't think we play in grad transfer market unless we get multiple defections. Assuming everyone comes back, there is really no playing time anywhere, except perhaps a true back PG.
If we have an open scholarship, I think it will go to the best available traditional transfer Wojo can get his hands on. And I like that plan.
Just going to put this out there...we could have as many as 2 grad transfers in the other direction (though I hope & expect not).
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 19, 2019, 11:38:13 AM
I don't think we play in grad transfer market unless we get multiple defections. Assuming everyone comes back, there is really no playing time anywhere, except perhaps a true back PG.
If we have an open scholarship, I think it will go to the best available traditional transfer Wojo can get his hands on. And I like that plan.
That's where I see it going too. The roster completely opens up after next year and a traditional transfer can slot into any of 3 available starting spots if he has the talent. Start 2 years alongside some Top 50 Frosh with Joey and Theo at least part of the way.
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Quote from: brewcity77 on March 19, 2019, 11:42:34 AM
Just going to put this out there...we could have as many as 2 grad transfers in the other direction (though I hope & expect not).
The obvious ones being Morrow and Sacar. Morrow if he wants to start (or play the 4, as was supposedly his reason for coming to MU in the first placE). Sacar if he wants to be "the man," though he'd have to move down a level to a mid-major.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 19, 2019, 11:18:33 AM
Almost nothing you said here is true. Except hopefully that Markus isn't leaving.
Actually most everything he said is dead on except fir hus shooting being dime a dozen. I see makuss skill akin to Novaks. Only thing they could do. But novak was 6' 10
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 19, 2019, 11:42:34 AM
Just going to put this out there...we could have as many as 2 grad transfers in the other direction (though I hope & expect not).
I think a grad transfer is in play if Morrow leaves. He's a very important piece.
Because of Eke injuries, depth would be an instant issue.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 19, 2019, 11:51:25 AM
The obvious ones being Morrow and Sacar. Morrow if he wants to start (or play the 4, as was supposedly his reason for coming to MU in the first placE). Sacar if he wants to be "the man," though he'd have to move down a level to a mid-major.
Those are the two. 100% cannot see it with Sacar. Morrow seems happy and I don't expect him to go anywhere, but at least that one would make a sliver of sense.
The team needs a PG that is 6'6" or taller, great handles, excellent vision, accomplished passer, boni-fide "finish above the rim" slasher, 40% or better from 3, great free throw shooter so he can stay in close games late, tough defender who can guard the oppositions best player 1-3 and very high basketball IQ all while maintaining a 4.0 GPA and being an exemplary citizen.
Quote from: WarriorFan on March 19, 2019, 12:02:19 PM
The team needs a PG that is 6'6" or taller, great handles, excellent vision, accomplished passer, boni-fide "finish above the rim" slasher, 40% or better from 3, great free throw shooter so he can stay in close games late, tough defender who can guard the oppositions best player 1-3 and very high basketball IQ all while maintaining a 4.0 GPA and being an exemplary citizen.
Personally, in addition to your requirements, if they can't complete a triple Axel on a dunk, I'm not sure we want them.
Quote from: WarriorFan on March 19, 2019, 12:02:19 PM
The team needs a PG that is 6'6" or taller, great handles, excellent vision, accomplished passer, boni-fide "finish above the rim" slasher, 40% or better from 3, great free throw shooter so he can stay in close games late, tough defender who can guard the oppositions best player 1-3 and very high basketball IQ all while maintaining a 4.0 GPA and being an exemplary citizen.
Damn, if only John Dawson had some eligibility left
Quote from: #UnleashCain on March 19, 2019, 11:15:23 AM
Markus ain't leaving lol. The NBA is not looking for a 5'9 shooting guard with a bad dribble and horrible court vision. What he does he does very well. But it's a dime a dozen skill in the nba.
Most mock draft/big board stuff has him in the middle of the 2nd Round.
Quote from: WarriorFan on March 19, 2019, 12:02:19 PM
The team needs a PG that is 6'6" or taller, great handles, excellent vision, accomplished passer, boni-fide "finish above the rim" slasher, 40% or better from 3, great free throw shooter so he can stay in close games late, tough defender who can guard the oppositions best player 1-3 and very high basketball IQ all while maintaining a 4.0 GPA and being an exemplary citizen.
I think I saw one of those on the shelf at Target.....
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 19, 2019, 10:41:55 AM
If Markus returns, I'm struggling to see a great need on next years roster (not that it wouldn't be nice to have extra depth).
PG is the one question mark. We lose JC, but pick up Koby and low-ranked freshman Akanno. Markus and Greg can also play the role.
2Guard - Sacar will be the locked in starter and likely remain our only slasher (though it looks like Koby can dabble).
Joey/Bailey/Jamal
Sam
Ed/Theo
If we do look at grad transfers, I'd like to see an athletic slasher with great court vision.
If Markus leaves then we'll have to find a high volume scorer to replace his 25 ppg.
low ranked? He's a 3 star, but fills a need as a slashing guard, get to the bucket type player. We need glue guys, too. Buzz fans here should be happy to know Buzz offered him, too.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 19, 2019, 11:36:27 AM
A couple other names:
UMASS Luwane Pipkins
Justin Pierce from William & Mary
Pierce already has a laundry list of offers from HMs after just a couple days.
Pierce is the nephew of former DePaul forward (and high school basketball teammate of mine) Ron Kammes.
I love reading these threads.
Do you recruit the team you want or do you coach the team you have?
Everyone wants the dream team, but what do the coaches actully look at and want?
What are the decision criteria of the student athlete?
Where does personality, intellegence, home life, stamina, high school coaching, maturity fit in?
How do the rating services actually rank players?
What is their secret matrix? AAU experience, size, speed, wing span, moves, jumping, shooting?
I think guys like Buzz, WOJO, and coach K have another method.
Which makes all of our conjecture fun but irrevelant.
If Markus leaves Torrence will almost assuredly be here........he may be here even if Markus stays.
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Quote from: MUDish on March 19, 2019, 01:08:44 PM
Pierce is the nephew of former DePaul forward (and high school basketball teammate of mine) Ron Kammes.
Pretty serious list of possible destinations. Both his parents went to Northwestern and he's from Glen Ellyn. FWIW.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 19, 2019, 11:51:25 AM
The obvious ones being Morrow and Sacar. Morrow if he wants to start (or play the 4, as was supposedly his reason for coming to MU in the first placE). Sacar if he wants to be "the man," though he'd have to move down a level to a mid-major.
Morrow was given every opportunity to play the 4, can not shoot the ball from distance, plus he has already transferred once, does he want to go to school for 6
years? Sacar plays on a Top 20 team, next year even better so why transfer. Plays 30 some minutes a game here, he is a glue guy, never be a star in any division.
Good solid player. Big loss if he left, best defender. I see him playing some 3 next year, Anim, Koby, Marcus, Sam and Theo. I little quicker, take out Theo and put in
Joey and you can play the Bucks offense, different look.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 19, 2019, 02:43:22 PM
Morrow was given every opportunity to play the 4, can not shoot the ball from distance, plus he has already transferred once, does he want to go to school for 6
He would be a grad transfer and not have to sit.
Quote from: Oldgym on March 19, 2019, 02:33:37 PM
Pretty serious list of possible destinations. Both his parents went to Northwestern and he's from Glen Ellyn. FWIW.
Pierce can play, I went to school with both his aunt and uncle and know that side of the family well. Knowing the Pierce/Kammes' families, it wouldn't shock me if Pierce wanted to play closer to home. I have no inside info, but the entire family is in the Wheaton/Glen Ellyn area. (No, I don't think he'll pick COD).
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 19, 2019, 11:56:58 AM
Those are the two. 100% cannot see it with Sacar. Morrow seems happy and I don't expect him to go anywhere, but at least that one would make a sliver of sense.
If I got my numbers right, I'm thinking we have one open slot and MU makes a decision on Eke and we add 2 Grads, and nobody Transfers.
Quote from: Loose Cannon on March 19, 2019, 03:09:17 PM
If I got my numbers right, I'm thinking we have one open slot and MU makes a decision on Eke and we add 2 Grads, and nobody Transfers.
Correct. We have one open spot assuming no one leaves (including Ike), and Torrence stays in 2020.
Highly doubt MU adds grad transfers in that scenario. It'd be a traditional transfer. Too many guys and too few minutes to go around to add another mouth to feed. A couple defections would change that, though.
Quote from: MUDish on March 19, 2019, 02:58:53 PM
Pierce can play, I went to school with both his aunt and uncle and know that side of the family well. Knowing the Pierce/Kammes' families, it wouldn't shock me if Pierce wanted to play closer to home. I have no inside info, but the entire family is in the Wheaton/Glen Ellyn area. (No, I don't think he'll pick COD).
Agreed. NU feels logical, and I'd also watch Xavier if only b/c his brother plays football at UC. Do not know if he'd fit a need at X, but they're on him.
Quote from: Oldgym on March 19, 2019, 03:17:33 PM
Agreed. NU feels logical, and I'd also watch Xavier if only b/c his brother plays football at UC. Do not know if he'd fit a need at X, but they're on him.
NU was my gut instinct too, he's a smart kid as well.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 19, 2019, 11:18:33 AM
Almost nothing you said here is true. Except hopefully that Markus isn't leaving.
spot on in my opinion. if he had a better handle, could distribute better, and was a few inches taller he'd trae young status. if what he was saying wasn't true...markus would likely be leaving.
Quote from: avid1010 on March 19, 2019, 03:32:04 PM
spot on in my opinion. if he had a better handle, could distribute better, and was a few inches taller he'd trae young status. if what he was saying wasn't true...markus would likely be leaving.
So, players with Markus' shooting skills are "a dime a dozen" in the NBA?
If that were true, nobody would be talking about a short, not terribly athletic kid as a potential NBA player. The fact Markus' shooting is not "a dime a dozen" is the reason he's got a chance to be drafted.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 19, 2019, 04:55:17 PM
So, players with Markus' shooting skills are "a dime a dozen" in the NBA?
If that were true, nobody would be talking about a short, not terribly athletic kid as a potential NBA player. The fact Markus' shooting is not "a dime a dozen" is the reason he's got a chance to be drafted.
You're right. That's his calling card. He's a remarkably talented offensive player and three point shooter. The whole gist of it is that in order to make the league with his size, he needs to improve skills that will complement his shooting and keep him on the court. History has shown very few shooters Markus' size succeed for a long time in the NBA.
Also with the emphasis on shooting now, it's not as hard to find plug-and-play shooters to add into a rotation. There are plenty of talented shooters significantly taller that fit the modern NBA.
Quote from: Markusquette on March 19, 2019, 05:24:50 PM
You're right. That's his calling card. He's a remarkably talented offensive player and three point shooter. The whole gist of it is that in order to make the league with his size, he needs to improve skills that will complement his shooting and keep him on the court. History has shown very few shooters Markus' size succeed for a long time in the NBA.
Also with the emphasis on shooting now, it's not as hard to find plug-and-play shooters to add into a rotation. There are plenty of talented shooters significantly taller that fit the modern NBA.
When Markus is right though, he definitely has a spot in the nba as a niche microwave guard. He also has the ability to single handedly (but obviously with help) carry this team to several victories the next 10 days. He's that good.
Unfortunately he's not healthy right now, hasn't been for several weeks, and won't be this weekend. That doesn't change his nba outlook.
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 19, 2019, 10:41:55 AM
If Markus leaves
So, what? He is so meshuggeneh to think that schlepping all the way to play in Tel Aviv next year is the right choice? He's not such a schmuck!
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Are those legit Members of the Israeli defense force or just there for recruiting purposes?
Herman, every young man and women if you are an Israeli citizen, after high school have to join the army for I think 2 years. That's the way it is over there and your M16 is your best friend
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 19, 2019, 09:07:22 PM
Herman, every young man and women if you are an Israeli citizen, after high school have to join the army for I think 2 years. That's the way it is over there and your M16 is your best friend
Is that your M16 ... or are you just happy to see me?
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 19, 2019, 11:38:13 AM
If we have an open scholarship, I think it will go to the best available traditional transfer Wojo can get his hands on. And I like that plan.
I still think we land Nico once Miller is fired
anyone mention this tucker guy? don't know if he fits in here or if we have room for him, but i sure in the gosh darn hope he doesn't go to a BE rival
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26309371/little-rock-tucker-coveted-transfer
thanks for the pic jonny ;)
Quote from: AZMarqfan on March 19, 2019, 09:20:22 PM
I still think we land Nico once Miller is fired
well then, fire away!!
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Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 19, 2019, 09:47:53 PM
anyone mention this tucker guy? don't know if he fits in here or if we have room for him, but i sure in the gosh darn hope he doesn't go to a BE rival
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26309371/little-rock-tucker-coveted-transfer
thanks for the pic jonny ;)
Sounds like a gem . Lets sign him up.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 19, 2019, 09:45:17 PM
What is funny about that?
The ship has sailed. Nico isn't coming to Marquette.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 20, 2019, 09:18:18 AM
The ship has sailed. Nico isn't coming to Marquette.
Probably not. But Arizona's coach is on the hot seat. Odds seem to be that he will be fired. When coaches are fired, recruits often reopen their recruitment. If Nico were to reopen his recruitment, there is a 100% chance that Marquette will reach out to him. I'm not betting on Nico coming here, but it doesn't some like an idea worthy of being laughed out loud at.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 20, 2019, 09:18:18 AM
The ship has sailed. Nico isn't coming to Marquette.
If Miller is fired and Nico re-opens his recruitment, why has the ship sailed on the school that seemingly was his second choice?
I'm not saying you're wrong, just interested in your reasons.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 20, 2019, 09:27:29 AM
Probably not. But Arizona's coach is on the hot seat. Odds seem to be that he will be fired. When coaches are fired, recruits often reopen their recruitment. If Nico were to reopen his recruitment, there is a 100% chance that Marquette will reach out to him. I'm not betting on Nico coming here, but it doesn't some like an idea worthy of being laughed out loud at.
Yah, like I said, Nico isn't coming here. People have been saying that Miller will get fired for a couple years now. It may happen, it may not. Nico recently said that he's as committed to going to Arizona as ever, but honestly, that is what I would I expect him to say.
If Miller does get fired, Nico may open up his recruitment, and Marquette will reach out. He may also elect to stay in Arizona with their new coach. But to just assume Marquette will get him when pretty much every blue blood will also be after him is laugh out loud worthy IMO. But feel free to think its a legit possibility if that tickles your fancy. Obviously I would love to be wrong, but I just don't see it as anything more than like a 0.0005% chance.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 20, 2019, 10:06:05 AM
Yah, like I said, Nico isn't coming here. People have been saying that Miller will get fired for a couple years now. It may happen, it may not. Nico recently said that he's as committed to going to Arizona as ever, but honestly, that is what I would I expect him to say.
If Miller does get fired, Nico may open up his recruitment, and Marquette will reach out. He may also elect to stay in Arizona with their new coach. But to just assume Marquette will get him when pretty much every blue blood will also be after him is laugh out loud worthy IMO. But feel free to think its a legit possibility if that tickles your fancy. Obviously I would love to be wrong, but I just don't see it as anything more than like a 0.0005% chance.
Well, Marquette was in his final two in September when pretty much every blue blood was after him.
I'd say it's far from a lock or even a good chance if he would to re-open his recruitment, but I don't see how MU goes from runner up in the fall to virtually no chance in the spring.
Great argument 😩
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2019, 10:22:40 AM
Well, Marquette was in his final two in September when pretty much every blue blood was after him.
I'd say it's far from a lock or even a good chance if he would to re-open his recruitment, but I don't see how MU goes from runner up in the fall to virtually no chance in the spring.
Especially after the Tweet Mannion's dad sent out to Stan after Nico committed about how he and Marquette are pure class and Nico saying Stan was the toughest person to tell about his decision. Not to mention my guess is Thurl Bailey has even more positive things to say about Brendan's experience at Marquette now that he's been through a full basketball season in the program.
My guess for the most likely scenario is Miller is not the coach at Arizona next season, Nico reopens his recruitment, and Arizona, Duke, and Marquette are the top three options with other blue bloods throwing their names into the hat as well. And if I had to guess Arizona will get a splashy name and Nico will recommit to the hometown team. But this FBI thing isn't going anywhere for Sean Miller. There's a much bigger difference between "People have heard Ayton was paid" and a subpoena for an FBI case.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but even if Miller gets fired, Arizona doesn't have to release Nico from his LOI right?
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 20, 2019, 10:33:23 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but even if Miller gets fired, Arizona doesn't have to release Nico from his LOI right?
Correct. But if Nico asks to be released, he will be released.
Nico's dad was quoted as saying coach Phelps played a big role in Nico's recruitment to Arizona but his dream to play for Arizona and Sean Miller is still in line. If you remove Sean Miller the two guys that recruited him are gone. But the state school is still there. I would guess he opens up his recruitment but leaves Arizona on his list and sees what the coaching staff looks like before any final decision is made.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 20, 2019, 10:33:23 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but even if Miller gets fired, Arizona doesn't have to release Nico from his LOI right?
Refusing to release a kid works out never for the school. Ask Buzz how that went with Tyshawn Taylor.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2019, 10:37:35 AM
Refusing to release a kid works out never for the school. Ask Buzz how that went with Tyshawn Taylor.
I'm just pointing out the sequence of events that would have to happen for Nico to end up in Milwaukee.
Miller, and his staff, have to be fired.
Nico has to ask for his release.
Arizona has to grant his release.
Wojo/Stan have to be out a plethora of Blue Bloods that will be after him immediately.
I'm with J's on this one, chances are less than 1% he end up here. You don't save a scholarship for a less than 1%. If there's a grad transfer that's a good fit, you take him, even if it means having no room for Nico.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 20, 2019, 10:47:43 AM
I'm just pointing out the sequence of events that would have to happen for Nico to end up in Milwaukee.
Miller, and his staff, have to be fired.
Nico has to ask for his release.
Arizona has to grant his release.
Wojo/Stan have to be out a plethora of Blue Bloods that will be after him immediately.
I'm with J's on this one, chances are less than 1% he end up here. You don't save a scholarship for a less than 1%. If there's a grad transfer that's a good fit, you take him, even if it means having no room for Nico.
Not sure anybody here said anything about saving a scholly for Nico.
Chances aren't great, but I don't see why they would be less than 1% once it gets past the step of him getting his release.
Who knows the answer to the question, but I have always thought recruiting is a 'yes' or 'no' question. Being the last 'no' doesn't necessarily put you high on the list if the recruit wants to go somewhere else.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 20, 2019, 10:47:43 AM
I'm just pointing out the sequence of events that would have to happen for Nico to end up in Milwaukee.
Miller, and his staff, have to be fired.
Nico has to ask for his release.
Arizona has to grant his release.
Wojo/Stan have to be out a plethora of Blue Bloods that will be after him immediately.
I'm with J's on this one, chances are less than 1% he end up here. You don't save a scholarship for a less than 1%. If there's a grad transfer that's a good fit, you take him, even if it means having no room for Nico.
If number 1 was to happen. Number 2 is very likely and number 3 is going to happen.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 20, 2019, 10:54:00 AM
Who knows the answer to the question, but I have always thought recruiting is a 'yes' or 'no' question. Being the last 'no' doesn't necessarily put you high on the list if the recruit wants to go somewhere else.
Sure. But an Arizona kid would keep a Milwaukee school on his list...why? He wants a free trip to awesome Milwaukee, WI sometime? Doesn't pass the smell test. He's getting paid best by Marquette? I wouldn't put cheating past any school, but I would say there are a number of schools that were in on Nico's list that I would think that about first. Local kid? Well, we know that's not true. Has family a family history with the school? Not that I'm aware of. I have no idea where the fake interest would come from for Marquette in Nico's case.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 20, 2019, 10:06:05 AM
Yah, like I said, Nico isn't coming here. People have been saying that Miller will get fired for a couple years now. It may happen, it may not. Nico recently said that he's as committed to going to Arizona as ever, but honestly, that is what I would I expect him to say.
If Miller does get fired, Nico may open up his recruitment, and Marquette will reach out. He may also elect to stay in Arizona with their new coach. But to just assume Marquette will get him when pretty much every blue blood will also be after him is laugh out loud worthy IMO. But feel free to think its a legit possibility if that tickles your fancy. Obviously I would love to be wrong, but I just don't see it as anything more than like a 0.0005% chance.
I don't think your math is correct.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 20, 2019, 10:57:50 AM
Sure. But an Arizona kid would keep a Milwaukee school on his list...why? He wants a free trip to awesome Milwaukee, WI sometime? Doesn't pass the smell test. He's getting paid best by Marquette? I wouldn't put cheating past any school, but I would say there are a number of schools that were in on Nico's list that I would think that about first. Local kid? Well, we know that's not true. Has family a family history with the school? Not that I'm aware of. I have no idea where the fake interest would come from for Marquette in Nico's case.
Do you mean the first time around? I would guess its all the things that get us to be bridesmaids so often in the hearts of recruits & moms - Wojo + Stan | a solid team projected | Playing time | NBA arena | Good history of Pro's.
It would seem that all of these 'nice things' tend to lose out to $$$$ or Jordan/Nike has a limit to what they will pay for kids to play at MU (if we assume everyone is in on it).
Quote from: #UnleashCain on March 20, 2019, 10:57:14 AM
If number 1 was to happen. Number 2 is very likely and number 3 is going to happen.
Key word here. All of the Nico to MU scenarios hinge on multiple "ifs". What "if" Miller isn't fired. Arizona certainly doesn't have the reputation of being a school with a ton of high moral standards. What "if" Nico doesn't re-open his recruitment, he knows that he's only going to be at school for a year, and Arizona certainly has a reputation for putting kids in the NBA, what "if" that's most important to him. What "if" Duke, or Kansas come calling and he decides to go there for the same NBA reasons. I'm not sure people have even been so obsessed about a kid that has signed for another school.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 20, 2019, 11:03:42 AM
I don't think your math is correct.
Like I said, I'd love to be wrong. I just don't see it happening at this juncture. And even if all the dominoes fall and Nico is available again, is he really going to want to come share the backcourt with Markus? I am guessing that is a reason why he chose Arizona to begin with, beyond the fact that its his dream school, an Arizona kid coming up to cold and snowy Milwaukee (yes, I know Markus is from AZ), passing on a laundry list of other awesome options, etc.
If it happens....awesome. I think its a pipedream.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 20, 2019, 11:21:53 AM
Like I said, I'd love to be wrong. I just don't see it happening at this juncture. And even if all the dominoes fall and Nico is available again, is he really going to want to come share the backcourt with Markus? I am guessing that is a reason why he chose Arizona to begin with, beyond the fact that its his dream school, an Arizona kid coming up to cold and snowy Milwaukee (yes, I know Markus is from AZ), passing on a laundry list of other awesome options, etc.
If it happens....awesome. I think its a pipedream.
Agreed, time to move on from Nico, just like Grimes. Even if Markus does not come back, MU will be fine with 3 guards coming in. Markus does have a lot to work on
in the passing game, and his D is very questionable at best. He needs another year in college, but we will see. It is great he is still very young. Might enjoy college,
but I do believe he should put his name into the draft to see where he stands. I see late second round.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 20, 2019, 11:21:53 AM
Like I said, I'd love to be wrong. I just don't see it happening at this juncture. And even if all the dominoes fall and Nico is available again, is he really going to want to come share the backcourt with Markus? I am guessing that is a reason why he chose Arizona to begin with, beyond the fact that its his dream school, an Arizona kid coming up to cold and snowy Milwaukee (yes, I know Markus is from AZ), passing on a laundry list of other awesome options, etc.
If it happens....awesome. I think its a pipedream.
+1000
Mannion isn't, and wasn't, ever going to come here. If he reopens his recruitment, he'll end up at Duke, UNC, Kansas, or another blue blood. He certainly won't come to a school where he'll have to share the backcourt with a senior superstar who's going to put up 20+ shots per game.
Quote from: Research Report on March 20, 2019, 11:29:51 AM
+1000
Mannion isn't, and wasn't, ever going to come here. If he reopens his recruitment, he'll end up at Duke, UNC, Kansas, or another blue blood. He certainly won't come to a school where he'll have to share the backcourt with a senior superstar who's going to put up 20+ shots per game.
So why'd he bother keeping Marquette on his list all the way down to his top 2?
If he was a Milwaukee kid choosing Arizona and he kept Marquette on his list all the way to his final 2, THAT makes sense. If he was "never coming to Marquette" why is he keeping them on his list and dropping Duke, Nova, etc? Just doesn't add up.
From what I know, MU had legit chance of landing Nico. It was not entirely window dressing. Not sure if that means a helluva lot or not, but they had a shot
Quote from: Research Report on March 20, 2019, 11:29:51 AM
+1000
Mannion isn't, and wasn't, ever going to come here. If he reopens his recruitment, he'll end up at Duke, UNC, Kansas, or another blue blood. He certainly won't come to a school where he'll have to share the backcourt with a senior superstar who's going to put up 20+ shots per game.
He won't come to MU because he'd have to share the backcourt with another great player, but he had MU in his top 2 with that same great player in the backcourt?
And he'll go to Duke, Kansas or UNC, because those teams don't have good players in their backcourts?
I have no idea what MU's chances might be (and I'd be surprised if he de-commits from Arizona in the first place), but some of the rationales you guys are offering up are bad.
Being in someone's top 2 or 3 or whatever number doesn't really matter unless you're in the top 1. Could have simply been that that Mannion family loved Wojo and Stan, and that kept them up there...but he was never super serious about actually going to Milwaukee for a year. Who knows. Its best to move on and for the staff focus on guys who actually have a chance of being on the team next year.
So, about those grad transfers...
I'll be blunt. Anyone who thinks MU was a courtesy add by Mannion is very mistaken. Not sure where that narrative is coming from.
There are two big ifs in this hypothetical, will Miller get fired and if he does, would Nico reopen his recruitment. If both of those ifs happen, MU would be a major player for Nico's services.
Odds on the first if seem pretty solid. Odds on the second if are unknown. No one is advocating that we hold a schollie for Nico or saying that it is likely, but we will likely know about the two ifs long before we can fill that last schollie so what's the harm in some speculation?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 20, 2019, 01:07:27 PM
I'll be blunt. Anyone who thinks MU was a courtesy add by Mannion is very mistaken. Not sure where that narrative is coming from.
There are two big ifs in this hypothetical, will Miller get fired and if he does, would Nico reopen his recruitment. If both of those ifs happen, MU would be a major player for Nico's services.
Odds on the first if seem pretty solid. Odds on the second if are unknown. No one is advocating that we hold a schollie for Nico or saying that it is likely, but we will likely know about the two ifs long before we can fill that last schollie so what's the harm in some speculation?
Exactly. We weren't a courtesy option and I don't know why so many are quick to say we were.
There are shitty optics surrounding every aspect of Sean Miller's program: a terrible season, 3 assistant coaches suspended/fired (our guy Phelps being the lead on Mannion), an upcoming court date, and restless boosters. It's more likely than not he's gone. If that happens, and Nico opts off the sinking ship, why are we discounting that he'd have legit interest in his runner-up option from 6 months ago? Who both he and his father were overwhelmingly complimentary of when he chose Arizona.
I'm all for being realistic with our remaining scholarhips, but there's a greater than 0% chance it happens.
@EvanDaniels: Xavier just picked up a commitment from Ohio transfer Jason Carter. Averaged 16.5 PPG & 6.7 RPG this past season. Eligible immediately.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 25, 2019, 07:33:45 PM
@EvanDaniels: Xavier just picked up a commitment from Ohio transfer Jason Carter. Averaged 16.5 PPG & 6.7 RPG this past season. Eligible immediately.
X is good at landing these guys.
Former MUBB player traci carter is transferring
Quote from: Pakuni on March 25, 2019, 07:33:45 PM
@EvanDaniels: Xavier just picked up a commitment from Ohio transfer Jason Carter. Averaged 16.5 PPG & 6.7 RPG this past season. Eligible immediately.
Really nice pickup for Xavier. Versatile 6'8" forward with two years of eligibility, yet doesn't have to sit out a year. Xavier has a ton of talent coming in.
Providence has made a nice grad transfer addition already as well. Luwane Pipkins, a 5-foot-11 point guard from Chicago, led the UMass offense for the last three seasons. He averaged 16 points and 5.2 assists this past season after averaging 21.2 points a game in 2018. Down year shooting last year from 3, but lit Prov up for 20, 30 and 26 over the past few seasons. I saw him play in high school. Very dynamic player who I'm sure bigger programs stayed away from due to size, but he can clearly score. He reminded me of Maurice Acker a bit. On an I'm sure related note, regular starter Makai Ashton-Langford announced he's transferring from Prov.
Amazing how quickly this occurs, and how big the transfer market has become. Has to be a nightmare for coaches to keep tabs on so many more players, though I suppose it does provide opportunities for quicker fixes than would otherwise be available.
Quote from: GoldenEagle323 on March 25, 2019, 10:37:58 PM
Former MUBB player traci carter is transferring
He was never going to be a great player (only averaged like 6 pts/game at La Salle), but having another back-up guard like Traci Carter (or, for that matter Haanif Cheatam) would have really helped this year's team.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 20, 2019, 09:27:29 AM
Probably not. But Arizona's coach is on the hot seat. Odds seem to be that he will be fired. When coaches are fired, recruits often reopen their recruitment. If Nico were to reopen his recruitment, there is a 100% chance that Marquette will reach out to him. I'm not betting on Nico coming here, but it doesn't some like an idea worthy of being laughed out loud at.
His high school coach told me Marquette was the runner-up and that his agreement with UofA includes an out of the coach is fired. Of course, Miller would have to be fired, he'd have to re-open his recruitment, and we'd have to beat all others with interest. Given Miller hasn't been fired yet, it's looking like 0% chance
Quote from: wadesworld on March 20, 2019, 10:57:50 AM
Sure. But an Arizona kid would keep a Milwaukee school on his list...why? He wants a free trip to awesome Milwaukee, WI sometime? Doesn't pass the smell test. He's getting paid best by Marquette? I wouldn't put cheating past any school, but I would say there are a number of schools that were in on Nico's list that I would think that about first. Local kid? Well, we know that's not true. Has family a family history with the school? Not that I'm aware of. I have no idea where the fake interest would come from for Marquette in Nico's case.
I've been told that Nico's bedtime stories growing up were of great basketball teams, and he's always loved the stories of Marquette's quirky coach Al. So it's not just a random school
Quote from: StillWarriors on March 26, 2019, 10:47:46 AM
Really nice pickup for Xavier. Versatile 6'8" forward with two years of eligibility, yet doesn't have to sit out a year. Xavier has a ton of talent coming in.
Providence has made a nice grad transfer addition already as well. Luwane Pipkins, a 5-foot-11 point guard from Chicago, led the UMass offense for the last three seasons. He averaged 16 points and 5.2 assists this past season after averaging 21.2 points a game in 2018. Down year shooting last year from 3, but lit Prov up for 20, 30 and 26 over the past few seasons. I saw him play in high school. Very dynamic player who I'm sure bigger programs stayed away from due to size, but he can clearly score. He reminded me of Maurice Acker a bit. On an I'm sure related note, regular starter Makai Ashton-Langford announced he's transferring from Prov.
Amazing how quickly this occurs, and how big the transfer market has become. Has to be a nightmare for coaches to keep tabs on so many more players, though I suppose it does provide opportunities for quicker fixes than would otherwise be available.
How things change. Langford was a top 50 recruit, then lost his starting job to freshman David Duke, another top recruit. Drew Edwards, another player who saw significant time, also leaving Providence.