If you're kicked out of a NCAA game, aren't you automatically suspended for the next game?
Quote from: ski44 on March 16, 2019, 10:28:25 AM
If you're kicked out of a NCAA game, aren't you automatically suspended for the next game?
Whatever, they will be back and they won't be dissed by the Big East establishment again.
Not trolling. Legit question.
Quote from: ski44 on March 16, 2019, 10:28:25 AM
If you're kicked out of a NCAA game, aren't you automatically suspended for the next game?
No because Mamu is supposed to play today for Seton Hall. But if so I imagine Marquette will probably appeal and 100% get them overturned. When you look back at the tape Theo literally did nothing.
Quote from: ski44 on March 16, 2019, 10:28:25 AM
If you're kicked out of a NCAA game, aren't you automatically suspended for the next game?
I don't believe that is a rule for a double tech. Maybe a fight.
Quote from: ski44 on March 16, 2019, 10:33:11 AM
Not trolling. Legit question.
Sorry, didn't imply trolling, your question is legit and frightening.
Quote from: ski44 on March 16, 2019, 10:28:25 AM
If you're kicked out of a NCAA game, aren't you automatically suspended for the next game?
No, they addressed this last night already. No suspension, it wasn't a fight.
Did they say exactly what the reasoning for Theo getting ejected?
I was watching it without volume.
Theo may have extended his arm slightly on the foul, but never thought it was ejection worthy.
He certainly kept his composure after too.
Quote from: marqfan22 on March 16, 2019, 11:22:28 AM
Did they say exactly what the reasoning for Theo getting ejected?
I was watching it without volume.
Theo may have extended his arm slightly on the foul, but never thought it was ejection worthy.
He certainly kept his composure after too.
It was an absurd overreaction ejecting John and Anim both. John did nothing ejection worthy. Powell did his best to look like it was a throwdown.
To answer your question though, believe they rationalized what John did into a flagrant foul, flagrant 2 or whatever gets a guy tossed. Sickening and absurd.
Made no sense ejecting Theo after spending a good five minutes reviewing it.
And Theo did keep his composure as Powell charged after him and instigated the chaos. But magically, he was allowed to continue in the game. And we all know why, refs didn't have the stones to give Powell another T meaning ejection because they knew doing so would end any prayer SH had of winning. Then they saved Powell yet again from fouling out when Marcus had him in the air on the three attempt right after Powell re-entered.
Total disgrace of officiating last night.
Quote from: marqfan22 on March 16, 2019, 11:22:28 AM
Did they say exactly what the reasoning for Theo getting ejected?
I was watching it without volume.
Theo may have extended his arm slightly on the foul, but never thought it was ejection worthy.
He certainly kept his composure after too.
A flagrant 2 = auto ejection
Quote from: Cheeks on March 16, 2019, 11:34:41 AM
A flagrant 2 = auto ejection
And the refs had to do mental gymnastics to raise what John did to that level. Awful.
What is official explanation for Anim's second T? I thought I heard official explaining to Johnson/Jackson it was trash talking?
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 16, 2019, 11:30:44 AM
And Theo did keep his composure as Powell charged after him and instigated the chaos. But magically, he was allowed to continue in the game. And we all know why, refs didn't have the stones to give Powell another T meaning ejection because they knew doing so would end any prayer SH had of winning. Then they saved Powell yet again from fouling out when Marcus had him in the air.
Total disgrace of officiating last night.
Have to get SH into the big boys tournament, Marquette be damed. Business is business.
Quote from: vogue65 on March 16, 2019, 11:40:02 AM
Have to get SH into the big boys tournament, Marquette be damed. Business is business.
What in the world does your comment mean?
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 16, 2019, 11:48:41 AM
What in the world does your comment mean?
Can't explain the obvious.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 16, 2019, 11:48:41 AM
What in the world does your comment mean?
Business is business!
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 16, 2019, 11:39:07 AM
What is official explanation for Anim's second T? I thought I heard official explaining to Johnson/Jackson it was trash talking?
I thought it was bodying up/slight shove/trash talk with whoever from Seton Hall towards the end of the skirmish. Official explanation is that it was a double T with Powell right off the bat for getting in each other's faces or something like that.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 16, 2019, 11:30:44 AM
And Theo did keep his composure as Powell charged after him and instigated the chaos. But magically, he was allowed to continue in the game. And we all know why, refs didn't have the stones to give Powell another T meaning ejection because they knew doing so would end any prayer SH had of winning. Then they saved Powell yet again from fouling out when Marcus had him in the air on the three attempt right after Powell re-entered.
Total disgrace of officiating last night.
Powell did get T'd there. It was his only one, so he stayed in the game. 1st half elbow was a Flagrant 1. Also, I don't think he fouled Markus on the 3 shortly after he came back in. They could have F2'd him right away with the elbow, and they absolutely had it in their discretion to figure out how to get him out after the "fight", but they played it by the letter and kept him in. I agree that they were scared to throw out the best player.
Quote from: drewm88 on March 16, 2019, 11:56:05 AM
I thought it was bodying up/slight shove/trash talk with whoever from Seton Hall towards the end of the skirmish. Official explanation is that it was a double T with Powell right off the bat for getting in each other's faces or something like that.
I assumed it was for bodying up against the SH player (who initiated it with a shove, also stepped up, and was not T'd).
IMO they were trying to control an obviously chippy back and forth between Sacar and Powell and between the flagrant 1 for a wind up elbow/T for smiling and the way the dust up played out, completely mishandled it. They were both doing a lot of trash talking, but Powell was the one who was throwing cheap shots.
Quote from: drewm88 on March 16, 2019, 11:58:02 AM
Powell did get T'd there. It was his only one, so he stayed in the game. 1st half elbow was a Flagrant 1. Also, I don't think he fouled Markus on the 3 shortly after he came back in. They could have F2'd him right away with the elbow, and they absolutely had it in their discretion to figure out how to get him out after the "fight", but they played it by the letter and kept him in. I agree that they were scared to throw out the best player.
B.s. he didn't foul Howard. He jumped right into Howard as Howard was shooting. Foul.
Quote from: drewm88 on March 16, 2019, 11:56:05 AM
I thought it was bodying up/slight shove/trash talk with whoever from Seton Hall towards the end of the skirmish. Official explanation is that it was a double T with Powell right off the bat for getting in each other's faces or something like that.
Yeah, that's the thing, no one can explain with any certainty what Anim did that earned him a ticket out a postseason game. Screw job. Didn't deserve to be t'd at all there.
I think the 2nd T against Sacar was fair. I don't think the first was.
A detail not discussed previously. By rule, shouldn't Powell's first flagrant been a technical. Was the ball in play or was it a dead ball. If the latter, it should have been a Technical, not flagrant.
Quote from: PVMagic on March 16, 2019, 12:04:51 PM
I think the 2nd T against Sacar was fair. I don't think the first was.
For what exactly? How does Sacar get a T there but Nelson doesn't? He was pushed by Nelson, and shoved him back. It's asinine.
Quote from: forgetful on March 16, 2019, 12:08:14 PM
A detail not discussed previously. By rule, shouldn't Powell's first flagrant been a technical. Was the ball in play or was it a dead ball. If the latter, it should have been a Technical, not flagrant.
They called it a live ball flagrant. Ball was being inbounded when it happened. Not sure if MU player had caught ball yet, but not sure if that's matters for live ball / dead ball.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 16, 2019, 12:02:00 PM
Yeah, that's the thing, no one can explain with any certainty what Anim did that earned him a ticket out a postseason game. Screw job. Didn't deserve to be t'd at all there.
I think both Sacar T's were deserved. If his actions were the only part of the skirmish, maybe he gets away without it, but no way they let that slide in the context.
But I think the explanation for his 2nd T doesn't make sense.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 16, 2019, 12:20:10 PM
They called it a live ball flagrant. Ball was being inbounded when it happened. Not sure if MU player had caught ball yet, but not sure if that's matters for live ball / dead ball.
That's what I wasn't sure of. It happened before the ball was inbounded. But it might be considered a live ball as soon as the ball is handed to the playing inbounding.
edit: The internet is my friend. It is live as soon as the ball is handed to the player inbounding.
Quote from: drewm88 on March 16, 2019, 12:36:56 PM
I think both Sacar T's were deserved. If his actions were the only part of the skirmish, maybe he gets away without it, but no way they let that slide in the context.
But I think the explanation for his 2nd T doesn't make sense.
What did he do to deserve the 2nd tech?
Quote from: forgetful on March 16, 2019, 12:38:08 PM
That's what I wasn't sure of. It happened before the ball was inbounded. But it might be considered a live ball as soon as the ball is handed to the playing inbounding.
Yah I don't know the exact rule either. But in any event, the more egregious of the two acts was eventually rewarded, and that's just wrong. The refs had the ability to make things right when Theo and Sacar got ejected, and they doubled down. And proceeded to even alert Hall that their player wasn't ejected - which to me seems crazy.
Sacar shoved someone, the 2nd T was deserved. Now there should have been a T on Nelson as well.
Honestly, I think refs try to make sure there are an equal number of technicals on both sides, which is crap. MU has been on the wrong end of that a couple of times this season.
I was texting my dad during the review. At the time I thought Sacar gone, Mamu gone, Powell gone, Nelson tech, John maybe F1. Thought they should have gotten their two foul shots then we should have gotten two technical shots and the ball. Was shocked with how the review played out