I am completely fed up with the East Coast bias. The BET is nothing short of rigged. The Big East doesn't want its midwestern teams in the tournament finals - that is clear. MSG is filled with a bunch of arrogant jacka$$es.
If the ACC or Big Ten could somehow steal MSG from the Big East for their tournaments, I would gladly welcome the change.
I am done pulling for this conference, Marquette against the world
Completely agree. I am done with the BET. It is a fraudulent product to get NY/NJ teams in the final.
If it was easy Dayton would do it.
We'll get there.
We're on a collision course with a Big East Championship, the only variable is time.
This is silly. The conference is perfectly balanced between East and West and new and old. NY is the media capitol of the world. It's partners are there. These other conferences play in half empty arenas for their tournaments.
What's broken, and has been a problem all year, is the officiating. Stu Jackson has a lot of work to do in the officiating department, and he has been under the gun all season. I am not sure the officiating alliance with other conferences is working or is led very well.
Last night was very bad for the conference overall. This from the N.Y. Post (no East Coast bias):
https://nypost.com/2019/03/16/big-east-refs-dropped-the-ball/
I don't think it's "rigged" or the conference "wanting" East coast teams in the championship. I think it's mostly a by-product of East coast teams getting a de-facto home court advantage against Midwestern teams, such that officials are making calls as though East coast teams are in their home gyms.
It's a garbage arena anyways.
Marquette would have been a better television draw. Why would their be a bias toward Seton Hall?
The tin foil hatters in this fan base astound me.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 16, 2019, 10:43:50 AM
Marquette would have been a better television draw. Why would their be a bias toward Seton Hall?
The tin foil hatters in this fan base astound me.
Milwaukee area population vs. NYC area population. Pretty comparable I guess.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 16, 2019, 10:46:06 AM
Milwaukee area population vs. NYC area population. Pretty comparable I guess.
You think people in New York follow Seton Hall? It's a dinky private school in a metro area full of them.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 16, 2019, 09:45:36 AM
This is silly. The conference is perfectly balanced between East and West and new and old. NY is the media capitol of the world. It's partners are there. These other conferences play in half empty arenas for their tournaments.
What's broken, and has been a problem all year, is the officiating. Stu Jackson has a lot of work to do in the officiating department, and he has been under the gun all season. I am not sure the officiating alliance with other conferences is working or is led very well.
Last night was very bad for the conference overall. This from the N.Y. Post (no East Coast bias):
https://nypost.com/2019/03/16/big-east-refs-dropped-the-ball/
Bull s$$t, N.Y. Post, "work to be done" come on. They have had years to fix the problem. From their point of view there is no problem. I suggest we get real, take the T.V. money and call a spade a spade.
Midwest Mr. Nice guy give it up.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 16, 2019, 10:13:07 AM
It's a garbage arena anyways.
That is why the Brooklyn arena is comming on strong. We will always be an independent without football. And that train left the station in 1961.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 16, 2019, 10:43:50 AM
Marquette would have been a better television draw. Why would their be a bias toward Seton Hall?
The tin foil hatters in this fan base astound me.
I don't think you understand that the BET is about ticket sales and not television ratings. With the ACC and the Big Ten desiring to play their tournaments in MSG, the Big East needs a sell-out. SHU is a better draw for tickets sales than Marquette. Period.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 16, 2019, 10:57:03 AM
I don't think you understand that the BET is about ticket sales and not television ratings. With the ACC and the Big Ten desiring to play their tournaments in MSG, the Big East needs a sell-out. SHU is a better draw for tickets sales than Marquette. Period.
The BE just extended its deal with MSG through 2028. There is nothing to worry about.
Zero reason to expect bias.
I don't know what the deal is, but in the 6 years of the new league, the participants in the final have been...
Villanova (x5)
Seton Hall (x3)
Providence (x2)
Xavier
Creighton
The first three are the only teams to win it. I have no real "take" on this at the moment, just presenting the data.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 16, 2019, 11:04:18 AM
I don't know what the deal is, but in the 6 years of the new league, the participants in the final have been...
Villanova (x5)
Seton Hall (x3)
Providence (x2)
Xavier
Creighton
The first three are the only teams to win it. I have no real "take" on this at the moment, just presenting the data.
Well done for openers, thank you.
The more data points the better the picture.
Quote from: 94Warrior on March 16, 2019, 09:15:35 AM
I am completely fed up with the East Coast bias. The BET is nothing short of rigged. The Big East doesn't want its midwestern teams in the tournament finals - that is clear. MSG is filled with a bunch of arrogant jacka$$es.
If the ACC or Big Ten could somehow steal MSG from the Big East for their tournaments, I would gladly welcome the change.
I am done pulling for this conference, Marquette against the world
Amen brother. My sentiments exactly on this league. Trouble is, it's our best option now as far as conference affiliation.
This thread is very dumb.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 16, 2019, 11:35:33 AM
Amen brother. My sentiments exactly on this league. Trouble is, it's our best option now as far as conference affiliation.
It is our only option, good $$$ and great exposure, so we ( midwest teams) get disrespected.
You all need to settle down. The officials were awful. They've often been rough this year, although I'm not sure they're any worse than other conferences more or less. But the conspiracy stops there. Maybe they were slanted by it being a defacto home game for SH, but that's about it. The BE isn't biased against midwest teams.
There is no anti-midwest conspiracy.
There is however a major home court advantage for the east coast teams. Not malicious, just a reality of playing the tournament in NYC.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 16, 2019, 12:14:38 PM
There is no anti-midwest conspiracy.
There is however a major home court advantage for the east coast teams. Not malicious, just a reality of playing the tournament in NYC.
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 16, 2019, 12:14:38 PM
There is no anti-midwest conspiracy.
There is however a major home court advantage for the east coast teams. Not malicious, just a reality of playing the tournament in NYC.
THIS. And because of that, a disadvantage to teams without that base there.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 16, 2019, 10:46:06 AM
Milwaukee area population vs. NYC area population. Pretty comparable I guess.
Not that many folks in the NYC area population give two hoots about Seton Hall. Most couln't find it on a map.
Quote from: vogue65 on March 16, 2019, 10:53:22 AM
That is why the Brooklyn arena is comming on strong. We will always be an independent without football. And that train left the station in 1961.
I was at the "Brooklyn arena" for the A-10 games yesterday. There were about 10 people there. Barclays is sort of a second class place.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 16, 2019, 10:57:03 AM
I don't think you understand that the BET is about ticket sales and not television ratings. With the ACC and the Big Ten desiring to play their tournaments in MSG, the Big East needs a sell-out. SHU is a better draw for tickets sales than Marquette. Period.
The championship would be a sellout no matter who was in it.
Quote from: Mutaman on March 16, 2019, 12:25:58 PM
The championship would be a sellout no matter who was in it.
Oh boy, yes a sell out is a sell out. However, no shows are also no shows. How many people are going to cross the country and see their team stiffed? How many people are going to take the NJ Turnpike or Amtrak to see midwest teams? The garden crowd wants to see their rivalries, and we aint got none and probably never will. Resentments yes, true sportmanlike rivalries not in my lifetime. ND, DePaul, Wisconsin, yes, Saint Johns, Seton Hall, you must be kidding. It is a made for T.V. league with a made for NYC tournament.
Quote from: vogue65 on March 16, 2019, 12:18:28 PM
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.
I suggest you watch last night's game and then comment. I hate blaming refs but last night was historically bad. Either biased or a fix.
Quote from: vogue65 on March 16, 2019, 12:38:09 PM
Oh boy, yes a sell out is a sell out. However, no shows are also no shows. How many people are going to cross the country and see their team stiffed? How many people are going to take the NJ Turnpike or Amtrak to see midwest teams? The garden crowd wants to see their rivalries, and we aint got none and probably never will. Resentments yes, true sportmanlike rivalries not in my lifetime. ND, DePaul, Wisconsin, yes, Saint Johns, Seton Hall, you must be kidding. It is a made for T.V. league with a made for NYC tournament.
1.Have another beer
2. So you're saying the deep state will fix the tournament even though its a sell out because they are worried about a few no shows? (Every seat had a person in it last big East final I went to).
3. Once again nobody in NYC gives a hoot about Seton Hall. I suspect Marquette with Howard is a bigger draw at MSG and on TV than Seton Hall is.