This team fell apart 3 weeks ago. They have been a disaster for the last 5 games. Markus played his way out of BEPOY. Sam quit. Joey hit the freshman wall. Sacar found unique ways to not finish at the rim....
We found the worst case scenario, and then we pushed it a little further.
What an awful way to close out a promising season.
What the heck happened?
sam quit. lol. what a dumbass you are.
Sam quit?
Quote from: WithoutBias on March 09, 2019, 08:05:31 PM
sam quit. lol. what a dumbass you are.
You're trying to talk up the guy that went 2-11 today?
Quote from: skianth16 on March 09, 2019, 08:07:43 PM
You're trying to talk up the guy that went 2-11 today?
Sam hasn't been greatly lately. He most definitely has not quit.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 09, 2019, 08:07:43 PM
You're trying to talk up the guy that went 2-11 today?
so not shooting well = quit on his coach/team? sheesh youre even dumber than my post stated.
guess luke maye quit on roy today. maybe we can hire him when unc fires him for his team quitting on him.
embarrassing.
This team got comfortable. They quit scrapping. They quit working for wins. Anyone who watched the last 4 games can see that.
We had so many opportunities to win the conference, and we came up short every single time.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 09, 2019, 08:18:48 PM
This team got comfortable. They quit scrapping. They quit working for wins. Anyone who watched the last 4 games can see that.
We had so many opportunities to win the conference, and we came up short every single time.
Stop saying "we"
Quote from: MU_Beav on March 09, 2019, 08:31:33 PM
Stop saying "we"
That only works for positive comments?
Quote from: skianth16 on March 09, 2019, 07:52:29 PM
This team fell apart 3 weeks ago. They have been a disaster for the last 5 games. Markus played his way out of BEPOY. Sam quit. Joey hit the freshman wall. Sacar found unique ways to not finish at the rim....
We found the worst case scenario, and then we pushed it a little further.
What an awful way to close out a promising season.
What the heck happened?
I think it's deeper than that. Why does Joey look like he wants to be anywhere but on the floor? If Sam wasn't on the roster it would seem he'd be out the door. The answer may be less than 1.
Who is trying to defend these last 4 losses? And if you are one who is, why? No defense for crap horse crap play. You go into this game knowing a win gets you a share of the regular season title and you crap down your leg? For the 4th game in a row? Just stop defending this crap play.
I think Creighton and the last 5 minutes of Seton Hall were "horse crap play." I didn't think that about Nova or the game today.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 09, 2019, 10:10:36 PM
I think Creighton and the last 5 minutes of Seton Hall were "horse crap play." I didn't think that about Nova or the game today.
Losing is horse crap...period
Quote from: muguru on March 09, 2019, 10:16:15 PM
Losing is horse crap...period
So in every game, one team plays like horse crap?
Quote from: skianth16 on March 09, 2019, 08:18:48 PM
This team got comfortable. They quit scrapping. They quit working for wins. Anyone who watched the last 4 games can see that.
We had so many opportunities to win the conference, and we came up short every single time.
Stop with the cliches. Seriously. They just aren't playing well.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 09, 2019, 07:52:29 PM
This team fell apart 3 weeks ago. They have been a disaster for the last 5 games. Markus played his way out of BEPOY. Sam quit. Joey hit the freshman wall. Sacar found unique ways to not finish at the rim....
We found the worst case scenario, and then we pushed it a little further.
What an awful way to close out a promising season.
What the heck happened?
That...is the question...to fall so far so fast makes you wonder if there is something going on behind closed doors?? I mean you don't just "lose it" that quickly. I mean...think about EVERYTHING that has gone wrong these last 4 games, and it really is unbelievable..especially when they were winning all these close games earlier in the year and were confident. I mean, one of the best shooters in college basketball, suddenly can't shoot, the defense which was reliable pretty much the whole year, has suddenly eluded them in the final 5 minutes of these games, they look listless, disinterested and complacent...no one shows any emotion out there. I mean it's like they all of a sudden forgot how to play basketball..we know they haven't...but wow. Honestly, as strange as this may sound, I think one of the problems is they have too many "nice kids". They don't have anyone with that killer instinct, that wants the ball late in tight games, and they have the confidence to know they will carry it home..Jimmy Butler and Jae Crowder were fantastic at that. they had that attitude..."I'm carrying us home and there isn't a damn thing anyone can do to stop it" and for the most part...there wasn't.
I'm also not sure this team has a great leader...someone that can rally the troops late in games when things are falling apart..Markus and Sam try, but Idk that they are the most vocal leaders..I don't know what the problem is, and it's futile to speculate but boy...it just seems to me, this points to an off the court/locker room issue. Do all the guys still get along?? Do they all trust one another on the court?? Have some of them turned on Markus and think he's too much of a "hero ball" type player?? None of those things may be true, or they all could be..whatever the case may be, it may be too late to resolve it unfortunately...but the way the end of the season has unraveled is truly one for the ages and completely mind boggling.
Quote from: muguru on March 09, 2019, 10:31:52 PM
That...is the question...to fall so far so fast makes you wonder if there is something going on behind closed doors?? I mean you don't just "lose it" that quickly. I mean...think about EVERYTHING that has gone wrong these last 4 games, and it really is unbelievable..especially when they were winning all these close games earlier in the year and were confident. I mean, one of the best shooters in college basketball, suddenly can't shoot, the defense which was reliable pretty much the whole year, has suddenly eluded them in the final 5 minutes of these games, they look listless, disinterested and complacent...no one shows any emotion out there. I mean it's like they all of a sudden forgot how to play basketball..we know they haven't...but wow. Honestly, as strange as this may sound, I think one of the problems is they have too many "nice kids". They don't have anyone with that killer instinct, that wants the ball late in tight games, and they have the confidence to know they will carry it home..Jimmy Butler and Jae Crowder were fantastic at that. they had that attitude..."I'm carrying us home and there isn't a damn thing anyone can do to stop it" and for the most part...there wasn't.
I'm also not sure this team has a great leader...someone that can rally the troops late in games when things are falling apart..Markus and Sam try, but Idk that they are the most vocal leaders..I don't know what the problem is, and it's futile to speculate but boy...it just seems to me, this points to an off the court/locker room issue. Do all the guys still get along?? Do they all trust one another on the court?? Have some of them turned on Markus and think he's too much of a "hero ball" type player?? None of those things may be true, or they all could be..whatever the case may be, it may be too late to resolve it unfortunately...but the way the end of the season has unraveled is truly one for the ages and completely mind boggling.
Teams lose it all the time for no reason other than they aren't playing well. Teams lose to teams they are worse than all the time. MSU lost 6 games. Duke lost 5. Kentucky lost 5. Kentucky lost to SHU on a neutral court. MSU lost to Indiana TWICE. crap happens. It sucks. If we lose our next two games then yeah, call the season a failure I guess. But there is lots of ball left to be played. If we can snag one win I think we can get out mojo back.
IF IF IF IF IF......wanted to believe, pretty sad ending to regular season!
I agree with the comment about to many nice kids, need someone with an edge like Jerel, DJO, Jae, great high character guys on this squad and all trying hard, just need at least one Bad Boy/Mofo and another ball-handler would be nice
Quote from: muwarrior97 on March 09, 2019, 11:02:51 PM
IF IF IF IF IF......wanted to believe, pretty sad ending to regular season!
I agree with the comment about to many nice of kids, need someone with an edge like Jerel, DJO, Jae, great high character guys on this squad and all trying hard, just need at least one Bad Boy/Mofo and another ball-handler would be nice
Wasn't Theo criticized for getting a T after saying "and one b!tch" against SH?
Don't we have 2 and possibly 3 ball handling guards coming in next year?
Wojos roster management hasn't been perfect, but he has addressed areas of weakness. When he first got here, nobody could shoot. Brought in AR, MH, and SH to amend that problem. Last year we couldn't defend to save our lives. Brendan and Chartouney have helped in that regard, even if their offensive prowess has been lacking. We only have one real ball handler this year. We have Koby, Dexter and possibly Symir coming next year. Yes Wojo probably should have been able to identify the severity of these problems before they arose, but he has done a good job in bringing in pieces to solve problems once they have.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 09, 2019, 08:32:29 PM
That only works for positive comments?
Dude... you are alone on this one. Sam didn't quit... he sucked. There is a difference. I'm as mad as everyone. He didn't produce, but to say he quit questions his character and is wrong. He probably wanted to win more than you honestly did and calling him out as a quitter is sophomoric and embarrassing. Please just stop
Quote from: RushmoreAcademy on March 09, 2019, 07:55:12 PM
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Quote from: Its DJOver on March 09, 2019, 11:14:20 PM
Wasn't Theo criticized for getting a T after saying "and one b!tch" against SH?
Don't we have 2 and possibly 3 ball handling guards coming in next year?
Wojos roster management hasn't been perfect, but he has addressed areas of weakness. When he first got here, nobody could shoot. Brought in AR, MH, and SH to amend that problem. Last year we couldn't defend to save our lives. Brendan and Chartouney have helped in that regard, even if their offensive prowess has been lacking. We only have one real ball handler this year. We have Koby, Dexter and possibly Symir coming next year. Yes Wojo probably should have been able to identify the severity of these problems before they arose, but he has done a good job in bringing in pieces to solve problems once they have.
It is still the 2019 season......talkin' about NOW (not a future game/season) 🤦🏻♂️
Step back off the ledge, season is not over yet. Says something about the team that they could lose out their last 5 games and still be a tourney lock.
97. You mean like Theo getting Ts for swearing and screaming while dunking on people in the 2018-19 season now?
We took a shot on someone that we thought could be a difference maker with his PG abilities, and it didn't work out. Not sure what more you can do there when you're full up on scholly's. You do know that you can't add players once the season starts right?
There are plenty of things to complain about, and it just seems like you're focusing on one of the more trivial things.
Quote from: muguru on March 09, 2019, 10:16:15 PM
Losing is horse crap...period
Especially to a team we beat. And just lost to DePaul by 100
I'll judge the season when it is over. As of now, I didn't expect to lose 4 in grow to closeout the season, but I didn't expect a top 10 ranking either.
There remains a lot of basketball, and I'll decide when it's over.
Wheel bee waitin' on dat, hey?
To be honest, a nice run in the tourney, and I'll probably be one of those saying, "oh yeah, we lost 4, I remember that."
One and done in BET, and one and done in the tourney, and I'll probably be one of those saying, "after 5 years, that's it?"
Anyone who thinks this team isn't in trouble is delusional.
This sucks, but nobody is quitting. If anything sometimes I think they want to win so badly that they get desperate and make bad decisions or choke. All 4 of these losses could have been wins if a few things had gone differently. Several of our wins this year just as easily could have been losses.
Hope we can get at least 1 win in the BET. I'm sure every team wants to play us.
Quote from: Bo Ryan's Massage Therapist on March 09, 2019, 11:28:40 PM
Dude... you are alone on this one. Sam didn't quit... he sucked. There is a difference. I'm as mad as everyone. He didn't produce, but to say he quit questions his character and is wrong. He probably wanted to win more than you honestly did and calling him out as a quitter is sophomoric and embarrassing. Please just stop
You're right. It's too far to say he quit on the team. His output hasn't been so great, and he's looked a step slow lately, and a lot of that probably has to do with him playing a ton of minutes all year. He's a great kid with a great attitude, and I'm happy to have him on the team. Here's to hoping he can turn it around in NYC.
Sam has had some poor shooting games this year, but he is MU's best player. Plays good D even though slow, rebounds well, moves around the floor well, and shoots well from long range. A very good player. He is a stud.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 09, 2019, 07:52:29 PM
This team fell apart 3 weeks ago. They have been a disaster for the last 5 games. Markus played his way out of BEPOY. Sam quit. Joey hit the freshman wall. Sacar found unique ways to not finish at the rim....
We found the worst case scenario, and then we pushed it a little further.
What an awful way to close out a promising season.
What the heck happened?
Sam quit?
This team has been in every game until the closing minute this last four games, what are you talking about? Make free throws yesterday we win. Cut down two turnovers against Creighton we win. Doesn't take much to swing games. We won some early on we probably should not have, and we are losing some now we probably should not.
Good teams make the plays in the clutch. Rebounding is effort and who wants the ball more. We don't have anyone who wants the ball. (David Boone). We could have won all 4 games. We have to make 2 out of 2 free throws. Not 1 for 2 many times. We don't make that special rebound or clutch free throw steal or shot in the last 4 games. We can't stop anyone from driving.
Quote from: muwar2014@gmail.com on March 10, 2019, 08:54:54 PM
Good teams make the plays in the clutch. Rebounding is effort and who wants the ball more. We don't have anyone who wants the ball. (David Boone). We could have won all 4 games. We have to make 2 out of 2 free throws. Not 1 for 2 many times. We don't make that special rebound or clutch free throw steal or shot in the last 4 games. We can't stop anyone from driving.
We shot 72.2% from the FT line (just below our 76% average and above the national average of 69%) and had a much better rebounding % than Georgetown.
We lost the game because Akinjo and McClung were making garbage shots while we were missing open ones. We dominated them in just about everything but shooting.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 10, 2019, 09:12:57 AM
To be honest, a nice run in the tourney, and I'll probably be one of those saying, "oh yeah, we lost 4, I remember that."
One and done in BET, and one and done in the tourney, and I'll probably be one of those saying, "after 5 years, that's it?"
Exactly. It was a disappointing end to the regular season. Didn't to themselves any favors for seeding with the four consecutive losses, but let's see how things go from here on out. These guys are capable of stringing wins together as we know. Also capable of losing. Just gotta hope for the best. Awfully presumptuous for someone to say a guy quit, or a freshman doesn't want to be on the floor.
If you had a quiz on who would be the LAST one to quit on a team, my choice would be Sam.
Being honest, the end of the REGULAR season was extremely disappointing for sure. No one quit, especially Sam. I was very encouraged by the reduction in turnovers on Saturday, which was a huge problem in the previous games. Poor shooting by MU and hot shooting by GU was the issue on Saturday.
I am still excited to watch MU in the BET and the NCAA tournaments. Could they lose in the first game of each? Yes. But, could they make a run to the final game of the BET and the Sweet 16? Yes. Much better than last season when we were watching the NCAA and complaining about MU not making it. I know this is a glass half full analysis, but isn't it more fun to root for our team than complaining about them? It is for me.
Go Marquette!!
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 10, 2019, 09:05:33 PM
We shot 72.2% from the FT line (just below our 76% average and above the national average of 69%) and had a much better rebounding % than Georgetown.
We lost the game because Akinjo and McClung were making garbage shots while we were missing open ones. We dominated them in just about everything but shooting.
And the score...
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on March 11, 2019, 06:38:36 PM
And the score...
Exactly!! All that matters. Yet some don't get that. We were run ragged by two freshmen.
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on March 11, 2019, 06:38:36 PM
And the score...
Teams lose because they play poorly, the other team plays well, or some combination of the two. Only point is that the Georgetown game was an example of the second one.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 10, 2019, 11:37:31 AM
You're right. It's too far to say he quit on the team. His output hasn't been so great, and he's looked a step slow lately, and a lot of that probably has to do with him playing a ton of minutes all year. He's a great kid with a great attitude, and I'm happy to have him on the team. Here's to hoping he can turn it around in NYC.
I was on record saying it would not be prudent to play Sam to play big minutes at the beginning of the season especially in the cupcake games. He was just coming off a tough injury and there was experience that other kids could gain in a no risk setting.
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SEE. I WAS HONEST. So if you want to go smear mud on your a*s, go smear mud on your a*s. Just be honest about it.
I figured this contributed about as much to the thread as the previous posts.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 10, 2019, 08:17:50 AM
Especially to a team we beat. And just lost to DePaul by 100
That must be some kind of record, eh?
Just got to this thread now. Very Scoop Takes-y.
I guess Markus didn't play himself out of BEPOY.
And who starts tomorrow in Sam's spot? I hear he quit.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 09, 2019, 07:52:29 PM
This team fell apart 3 weeks ago. They have been a disaster for the last 5 games. Markus played his way out of BEPOY. Sam quit. Joey hit the freshman wall. Sacar found unique ways to not finish at the rim....
We found the worst case scenario, and then we pushed it a little further.
What an awful way to close out a promising season.
What the heck happened?
This post is aging well....Markus named Big East player of the year despite playing his way out of it
What the heck happened?
We sure biffed in the BigE, so sick of Nova winning all the time
Quote from: Cheeks on March 13, 2019, 04:00:45 PM
This post is aging well....Markus named Big East player of the year despite playing his way out of it
What the heck happened?
Turns out I was wrong. I'm very happy to be wrong in this case. Sometimes watching the same guy over and over makes you a little immune to just how good he is.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 09, 2019, 07:52:29 PM
Markus played his way out of BEPOY. Sam quit.
BEPOY had 30 tonight. I'm not talkin' about Ponds.
I don't know who that was in the #10 jersey, but he had 10 points, 7 rebs, 5 assists and played great D all game.