Full accountability
https://www.youtube.com/v/TZnox_KPzNU
Creighton a different team now, commitment to defense is paying off.
https://www.youtube.com/v/l_eHW9H2pKk
Quote from: Cheeks on March 03, 2019, 08:54:39 PM
Full accountability
https://www.youtube.com/v/TZnox_KPzNU
Creighton a different team now, commitment to defense is paying off.
https://www.youtube.com/v/l_eHW9H2pKk
Full accountability?? Sure Wojo..That's the same drum you have been beating all year "it's all on me". And yet here we are...29 games into a season, and you have yet to do a damn thing to help clean up the turnovers, seemingly have no feel for when you need to change things up, have no plays to post Joey/Sam up...and maybe most of all have done NOTHING to do something about the horrendous starts to halves that have plagued you ALL year long. But it's all on you...you got this, right?? ::)
Quote from: Cheeks on March 03, 2019, 08:54:39 PM
Full accountability
https://www.youtube.com/v/TZnox_KPzNU
Creighton a different team now, commitment to defense is paying off.
https://www.youtube.com/v/l_eHW9H2pKk
Reporters actually get paid to ask questions like that? Just terrible. Who are they?
How about the one " Was Markus scoring 21 straight points important" or something like that. The look on Wojo face and his one word response was great. He took a deep breath before answering the only good question about Theos foul problems.
Quote from: muguru on March 03, 2019, 09:11:06 PM
Full accountability?? Sure Wojo..That's the same drum you have been beating all year "it's all on me". And yet here we are...29 games into a season, and you have yet to do a damn thing to help clean up the turnovers, seemingly have no feel for when you need to change things up, have no plays to post Joey/Sam up...and maybe most of all have done NOTHING to do something about the horrendous starts to halves that have plagued you ALL year long. But it's all on you...you got this, right?? ::)
I remember in 2003 we had a game where we had massive turnovers, laid an egg, it was in March...bad game. Four games later we beat #1 Kentucky and went to the Final Four.
No one knows what is going to happen. Kentucky yesterday looked god awful. Houston last night on their home court, lost. Michigan State lost to Indiana. This is college basketball. Is Izzo suddenly a bad coach, Sampson, Cal, etc? Come on. We played terribly.
Good Lord. Who are these guys asking questions? Not only do they sound terrified, but they are incredibly bad.
Quote from: Cheeks on March 03, 2019, 09:16:08 PM
I remember in 2003 we had a game where we had massive turnovers, laid an egg, it was in March...bad game. Four games later we beat #1 Kentucky and went to the Final Four.
No one knows what is going to happen. Kentucky yesterday looked god awful. Houston last night on their home court, lost. Michigan State lost to Indiana. This is college basketball. Is Izzo suddenly a bad coach, Sampson, Cal, etc? Come on. We played terribly.
This team ain't beating Kentucky dude. It's not 2003 and Wade is not suiting up. Get real.
I think the reporters had a bad day, too.
Tomorrow is a new day everyone!
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 03, 2019, 09:21:50 PM
This team ain't beating Kentucky dude. It's not 2003 and Wade is not suiting up. Get real.
LOL. And UMBC wasn't beating #1 Virginia either....get real. And Loyola Chicago was going out in the first round. And and and and. No one knows...not you, not me. No one.
And here we are 29 games into the season...sitting at 23-6. 23-6! Yes, the flaws have come out over the last two games, but we are 23-6 with a great tourney resume! Was there anything great about the game? No. But Wojo takes accountability and will have them ready to play on Wednesday. Did I mention we're 23-6???
Quote from: Cheeks on March 03, 2019, 09:23:08 PM
LOL. And UMBC wasn't beating #1 Virginia either....get real. And Loyola Chicago was going out in the first round. And and and and. No one knows...not you, not me. No one.
Thanks genius
Respectfully, I'm not sure "accountability" is the right word, because I don't think most would watch this clip and conclude that Wojo really thinks everything is his fault.
This is a coach sending his team a message: "We are down today, but I am with you. I will not throw you under the bus. I value you as people and basketball players. When we are in practice, away from the public light, I will be tough on you, my assistants and I will do our best to coach you, and we will get better as a team. But publicly, I will never crap on you. I have your back. I believe in you, I believe we have everything we need in this room to reach all of our goals, and we will turn this back around together."
Athletes love this. Over time, they usually respond to this. Recruits hear that the coach treats his players with respect and doesn't publicly call them out, and they want to play for a coach like that, too.
Had to look it up, but Marquette vs UAB March 13th, 2003....MU had 30 turnovers...30. Imagine MU Scoop back then. Yowza. Went to Final Four 16 days later.
Welcome to March
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 03, 2019, 09:37:12 PM
Thanks genius
Thank you, Nostradamus. Can you tell me who the winners at Santa Anita will be this week? :D
Quote from: 21rooster on March 03, 2019, 09:36:12 PM
And here we are 29 games into the season...sitting at 23-6. 23-6! Yes, the flaws have come out over the last two games, but we are 23-6 with a great tourney resume! Was there anything great about the game? No. But Wojo takes accountability and will have them ready to play on Wednesday. Did I mention we're 23-6???
23-6 isnt anything to write home about when you consider they SHOULD be 27-2..Should have beat Indiana, Nova, SJU at home and then today.
Quote from: muguru on March 03, 2019, 10:29:00 PM
23-6 isnt anything to write home about when you consider they SHOULD be 27-2..Should have beat Indiana, Nova, SJU at home and then today.
I don't agree with this but even if I play along, we certainly should have lost @Creighton, vs. Louisville, could throw Wisconsin in there. Maybe @X or @ Georgetown.
Quote from: Cheeks on March 03, 2019, 09:16:08 PM
I remember in 2003 we had a game where we had massive turnovers, laid an egg, it was in March...bad game. Four games later we beat #1 Kentucky and went to the Final Four.
No one knows what is going to happen. Kentucky yesterday looked god awful. Houston last night on their home court, lost. Michigan State lost to Indiana. This is college basketball. Is Izzo suddenly a bad coach, Sampson, Cal, etc? Come on. We played terribly.
All one big crapshoot, a'ina?
Quote from: Cheeks on March 03, 2019, 09:51:31 PM
Had to look it up, but Marquette vs UAB March 13th, 2003....MU had 30 turnovers...30. Imagine MU Scoop back then. Yowza. Went to Final Four 16 days later.
Worst prepared team I've seen in 53 years of watching Marquette basketball. Much, much worse than the loss to KU in the FF.
Obviously hate losing to them, but I really don't mind Mac/creighton. Thought they were arrogant when they had Doug but I find myself pulling for them in non MU games. What do you guys think they need to be the 3rd big east team in the dance? Would 2 wins to go 9-9 and 2 in the BET get them in at 20-14?
Quote from: muguru on March 03, 2019, 10:29:00 PM
23-6 isnt anything to write home about when you consider they SHOULD be 27-2..Should have beat Indiana, Nova, SJU at home and then today.
We won a few games we shouldn't have, too....but of course no credit there...right? ::)
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 03, 2019, 10:53:11 PM
Worst prepared team I've seen in 53 years of watching Marquette basketball. Much, much worse than the loss to KU in the FF.
The one that played against UAB? Or today? I can think of worse prepared teams in the last 15 years, so maybe your memory is going. Sometimes people substitute prepared for simply not shooting well, etc. It always amazes me, too, how people harp on the losses and forget the incredible wins, often times when we are given absolutely no chance based on talent alone....but you know, that's cuz of the players you see.
Quote from: muguru on March 03, 2019, 09:11:06 PM
Full accountability?? Sure Wojo..That's the same drum you have been beating all year "it's all on me". And yet here we are...29 games into a season, and you have yet to do a damn thing to help clean up the turnovers, seemingly have no feel for when you need to change things up, have no plays to post Joey/Sam up...and maybe most of all have done NOTHING to do something about the horrendous starts to halves that have plagued you ALL year long. But it's all on you...you got this, right?? ::)
Lol
Quote from: MU82 on March 03, 2019, 09:46:18 PM
Respectfully, I'm not sure "accountability" is the right word, because I don't think most would watch this clip and conclude that Wojo really thinks everything is his fault.
This is a coach sending his team a message: "We are down today, but I am with you. I will not throw you under the bus. I value you as people and basketball players. When we are in practice, away from the public light, I will be tough on you, my assistants and I will do our best to coach you, and we will get better as a team. But publicly, I will never crap on you. I have your back. I believe in you, I believe we have everything we need in this room to reach all of our goals, and we will turn this back around together."
Athletes love this. Over time, they usually respond to this. Recruits hear that the coach treats his players with respect and doesn't publicly call them out, and they want to play for a coach like that, too.
now this is a great level headed observation and response-could you imagine if wojo or any coach for that matter comes out and singles out each and every mistake, turn-over, dumb foul, missed defensive assignment; pointing fingers at everyone in his way, assistant coaches trying to tell him stipid chit andcall them out...ho boy, i can just hear this board now as the list of transfers becomes six pages long.
i understand ones need to vent. i could go on and on about my frustrations with certain players and wojo seemingly doing nothing about it, but cheeks and 82 have the best approach. i've told many that sometimes these games are just too hard to watch. i've almost turned a few of them off, only glad i didn't. gotta take the good with the bad. 23-6 looks like more good than bad. let's reserve final judgement for end of season.
We won the game we should have lost and lost the game we should have won. Let's win on Wednesday.
OK, 23-6 is not bad. Probably over 99% of scoopers would have taken that, no questions asked, in October. Wojo has recruited well, takes full accountability, and really likes his guys. The in-game coaching still seems somewhat lacking. "Clear your minds about what's happened, we have a 7:32 game" didn't work worth a damn. How about some kind of adjustment, such as having someone who could see over them doing some ball-handling? They can clear their minds, but don't you think they are going to get a big, fat reminder of that kind of defense on Wednesday, and Sunday, and in NY? I think Wojo is a hard worker, and while no answer came to him during the game, here's hoping he and the staff can turn it around in practice.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 04, 2019, 06:35:31 AM
OK, 23-6 is not bad. Probably over 99% of scoopers would have taken that, no questions asked, in October. Wojo has recruited well, takes full accountability, and really likes his guys. The in-game coaching still seems somewhat lacking. "Clear your minds about what's happened, we have a 7:32 game" didn't work worth a damn. How about some kind of adjustment, such as having someone who could see over them doing some ball-handling? They can clear their minds, but don't you think they are going to get a big, fat reminder of that kind of defense on Wednesday, and Sunday, and in NY? I think Wojo is a hard worker, and while no answer came to him during the game, here's hoping he and the staff can turn it around in practice.
Please tell me you're smarter than believing that was the entire timeout. This has been discussed at leangtg, no coach is going to give a full view of the clipboard and actually go through what the adjustments are.
Very unfortunate the Seton Hall turn around is so short.
Dealing with the doubleteam might take a while to correct.
And Freshmen will play like freshmen, there, I said it.
Quote from: Cheeks on March 03, 2019, 11:07:28 PM
The one that played against UAB? Or today? I can think of worse prepared teams in the last 15 years, so maybe your memory is going. Sometimes people substitute prepared for simply not shooting well, etc. It always amazes me, too, how people harp on the losses and forget the incredible wins, often times when we are given absolutely no chance based on talent alone....but you know, that's cuz of the players you see.
UAB. 30 turnovers. Nothing to do with " not shooting well". Our efg% that day was outstanding. Two of the best guards in MU history and we couldn't figure out how to get the ball over mid court. Least prepared Marquette team I've ever seen in 53 years. No doubt. And despite your insult, my memory is fine. Evidently better than yours.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 04, 2019, 06:48:02 AM
UAB. 30 turnovers. Nothing to do with " not shooting well". Our efg% that day was outstanding. Two of the best guards in MU history and we couldn't figure out how to get the ball over mid court. Least prepared Marquette team I've ever seen in 53 years. No doubt. And despite your insult, my memory is fine. Evidently better than yours.
We are contemporaries, let's face it, 1966 was a long time ago, memories do fade and become foggy. Can you really remember what Michigan, Wiscon, Wells and State looked like 50 years ago?
Quote from: vogue65 on March 04, 2019, 06:55:41 AM
We are contemporaries, let's face it, 1966 was a long time ago, memories do fade and become foggy. Can you really remember what Michigan, Wiscon, Wells and State looked like 50 years ago?
12th and Wells 1966.
Yesterday's game was awful. But Dean Smith had a rule that really should apply here:
1) Acknowledge -- Acknowledge you made a mistake, or had a very bad game.
2) Apologize -- If you made a mistake, as we did yesterday, apologize for it.
3) Fix it -- Make the adjustments necessary to correct the problem
4) Move On -- Don't dwell on it. What was, was.
Seems like we need to be focusing on 3 and 4 NOW.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 04, 2019, 06:35:31 AM
The in-game coaching still seems somewhat lacking. "Clear your minds about what's happened, we have a 7:32 game" didn't work worth a damn. How about some kind of adjustment, such as having someone who could see over them doing some ball-handling? They can clear their minds, but don't you think they are going to get a big, fat reminder of that kind of defense on Wednesday, and Sunday, and in NY? I think Wojo is a hard worker, and while no answer came to him during the game, here's hoping he and the staff can turn it around in practice.
Didn't work worth a damn? During that timeout we were down 2. We scored immediately out of the timeout on a set play and 90 seconds later we were up 4. I'd say the timeout did work. The issue was then 6 consecutive turnovers and we only had 1 timeout left IIRC.
Quote from: vogue65 on March 04, 2019, 06:55:41 AM
We are contemporaries, let's face it, 1966 was a long time ago, memories do fade and become foggy. Can you really remember what Michigan, Wiscon, Wells and State looked like 50 years ago?
You bet. And I remember every lyric ever written by Bob Dylan, Tom Waits or Lennon/McCartney. It's what I had for breakfast 3 hours ago that has me scratching my head!
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 04, 2019, 08:19:45 AM
Didn't work worth a damn? During that timeout we were down 2. We scored immediately out of the timeout on a set play and 90 seconds later we were up 4. I'd say the timeout did work. The issue was then 6 consecutive turnovers and we only had 1 timeout left IIRC.
I can tell you're relatively young, TAMU. You seem to have not yet learned that facts will only get you so far.
I have said that I don't think Wojo had his best game, mostly because if something isn't working (in yesterday's case, the lineup combos) it's worth trying something else. But I think Wojo actually has done a superb job allocating playing time this season, more often than not putting the players (and therefore the team) in positions to succeed.
So I am going to the be the glass-half-full person and say --
Thanks for all the great Scoop Takes material. I have enjoyed reading it.
https://twitter.com/ScoopTakes
Wow...people are being way too hard on the media here! Other than the 21 straight points question, those questions were fine! And even that one was clearly asked to fill some kind of game notes section.
Quote from: Cheeks on March 03, 2019, 09:51:31 PMHad to look it up, but Marquette vs UAB March 13th, 2003....MU had 30 turnovers...30.
I know I watched that game, but think I must have purged it from my memory. Dwyane Wade had 10 turnovers all by himself. Every team has bad games. What sets the great teams apart is what they do after: learn from it, put it behind you and get back to work.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 04, 2019, 06:48:02 AM
UAB. 30 turnovers. Nothing to do with " not shooting well". Our efg% that day was outstanding. Two of the best guards in MU history and we couldn't figure out how to get the ball over mid court. Least prepared Marquette team I've ever seen in 53 years. No doubt. And despite your insult, my memory is fine. Evidently better than yours.
My not shooting well was in reference to the Kansas game, in which through the first 7 minutes we were tied (down 1), but shot like 29% or something ridiculous for the game.
And yet we could find a way to get it across the court against Louisville, SEC champ Kentucky, Big East champ Pittsburgh, ACC champ Wake Forest, I guess the coaches decided not to coach that day or forgot how. LOL. Or maybe, sometimes players lay an egg. Just maybe. It was our second loss in 17 games.
Coaches can't do it for kids on the court. The players have to ultimately execute it. Coaches put kids into positions, and practice at length scenarios. Sometimes, 18 to 22 year old kids screw it up. Hell, NBA pros screw it up sometimes. Future NBA Hall of Famer Dwyane Wade had 10 turnovers in that game. Diener had 5. Wade was also 3 of 12. I would say the worst game of his MU career. They had played UAB just 10 days earlier and won by double digits.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 04, 2019, 11:11:39 AM
Wow...people are being way too hard on the media here! Other than the 21 straight points question, those questions were fine! And even that one was clearly asked to fill some kind of game notes section.
And that was a student journalist.
My take on the presser is that Wojo fulfilled his obligation. The last thing in the world a coach wants to do after a game like that is take questions about what went wrong. But Wojo answered every question, he didn't take out his frustrations on the media, he accepted responsibility for the loss and he gave full credit to his opponent.
What more do you expect? Any words here are far less important than what happens between now and Wednesday. Creighton is a lost opportunity. Move on. Shake it off. Figure out what's not working. Bear down. Seton Hall is now the most important game of the season.
Quote from: Cheeks on March 04, 2019, 11:18:08 AM
Coaches can't do it for kids on the court. The players have to ultimately execute it. Coaches put kids into positions, and practice at length scenarios. Sometimes, 18 to 22 year old kids screw it up. Hell, NBA pros screw it up sometimes. Future NBA Hall of Famer Dwyane Wade had 10 turnovers in that game. Diener had 5. Wade was also 3 of 12. I would say the worst game of his MU career. They had played UAB just 10 days earlier and won by double digits.
Agree with all of this, chicos.
Some folks don't want to accept that shyte sometimes happens. Some probably actually believe it was Crean's fault that the greatest player in Marquette history committed 10 TOs that day. If only Crean had played Jamal Cain instead of Dwyane Wade!
Quote from: Cheeks on March 03, 2019, 09:16:08 PM
I remember in 2003 we had a game where we had massive turnovers, laid an egg, it was in March...bad game. Four games later we beat #1 Kentucky and went to the Final Four.
No one knows what is going to happen. Kentucky yesterday looked god awful. Houston last night on their home court, lost. Michigan State lost to Indiana. This is college basketball. Is Izzo suddenly a bad coach, Sampson, Cal, etc? Come on. We played terribly.
20-win Yale lost to 8-win Columbia.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 04, 2019, 11:11:39 AM
Wow...people are being way too hard on the media here! Other than the 21 straight points question, those questions were fine! And even that one was clearly asked to fill some kind of game notes section.
Agreed. I don't get the criticism either
IMO, the most telling comment was the one right before he got up. 'self inflicted wounds'. He is taking ownership after a loss. But he is not blind to the fact that there were some weak, passive, dumb decisions and performances with the ball.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 03, 2019, 10:53:11 PM
Worst prepared team I've seen in 53 years of watching Marquette basketball. Much, much worse than the loss to KU in the FF.
I think the players were still down form losing to Nova. Win or lose you need to move onto the next game.
Quote from: MU82 on March 04, 2019, 12:05:32 PM
Agree with all of this, chicos.
Some folks don't want to accept that shyte sometimes happens. Some probably actually believe it was Crean's fault that the greatest player in Marquette history committed 10 TOs that day. If only Crean had played Jamal Cain instead of Dwyane Wade!
Spoken like a coach!!
;)
Quote from: bilsu on March 04, 2019, 01:45:19 PM
I think the players were still down form losing to Nova. Win or lose you need to move onto the next game.
Marquette didn't play Villanova in 2003.