Since the NCAA released their top-16, Marquette has solidified their hold on a 3-seed. The Golden Eagles haven't lost a game, while the teams behind them on the 4/5 lines have gone 14-14 with every team except Texas Tech taking a loss. With that in mind, it's a good time to look back at Marquette's chances to get a 2-seed. Currently in the mix for the 2-line with Marquette are Michigan, North Carolina, Tennessee, Michigan State, Kansas, Houston, & Purdue. So which teams can MU most likely get ahead of? Here's who we will be watching closely:
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Quote from: brewcity77 on February 22, 2019, 10:06:43 AM
Since the NCAA released their top-16, Marquette has solidified their hold on a 3-seed. The Golden Eagles haven't lost a game, while the teams behind them on the 4/5 lines have gone 14-14 with every team except Texas Tech taking a loss. With that in mind, it's a good time to look back at Marquette's chances to get a 2-seed. Currently in the mix for the 2-line with Marquette are Michigan, North Carolina, Tennessee, Michigan State, Kansas, Houston, & Purdue. So which teams can MU most likely get ahead of? Here's who we will be watching closely:
Continued: http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2019/02/marquette-2-seed-rooting-guide.html
Thanks for this detailed rooting guide.
Having read this, to me a 2-seed looks possible but not very likely at all.
I'd love to be wrong because I think there's a pretty big difference between 2 and 3 when it comes to the quality of the first- and second-round opponents.
Quote from: MU82 on February 22, 2019, 10:10:44 AM
Thanks for this detailed rooting guide.
Having read this, to me a 2-seed looks possible but not very likely at all.
I'd love to be wrong because I think there's a pretty big difference between 2 and 3 when it comes to the quality of the first- and second-round opponents.
You aren't kidding. We have been talking about how there is a clear jump from 26 to 27 in the rankings. As a 3 seed we will most likely get a 6 seed in the second round (21-24) where if we were a 2 seed we will at worst get a 7 seed in the second round and could very well jump into the groupings of teams with far less talent
Quote from: MU82 on February 22, 2019, 10:10:44 AM
Thanks for this detailed rooting guide.
Having read this, to me a 2-seed looks possible but not very likely at all.
I'd love to be wrong because I think there's a pretty big difference between 2 and 3 when it comes to the quality of the first- and second-round opponents.
I cautiously agree. That said, I think Michigan State & Tennessee both are likely to slide given their schedules. MSU is now without Nick Ward while Tennessee before the Kentucky game had played an easier conference schedule than Gonzaga.
If Michigan sweeps MSU & Tennessee drops 2, the door will be wide open and the only question will be who steps through. Houston's lack of Q1 chances makes it tough to see them moving up much.
More than anything, I think it comes to getting ahead of Kansas. If Texas Tech (Saturday) & KSU (Monday) can take down the Jayhawks, our chances improve exponentially.
Win out and win the BET and they'd have a hard time keeping us on the 3-line. That said, I still expect 2 more regular season losses, and we are historically crappy at the Garden.
I'm more concerned about dropping to a 4 than I am about rising to a 2.
Quote from: MU82 on February 22, 2019, 10:10:44 AM
Thanks for this detailed rooting guide.
Having read this, to me a 2-seed looks possible but not very likely at all.
I'd love to be wrong because I think there's a pretty big difference between 2 and 3 when it comes to the quality of the first- and second-round opponents.
I have produced an urgent, more important rooting guide:
The Marquette for Big East Champs rooting guide. It goes like this...
Root for: Marquette
Root against: Villanova
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 22, 2019, 11:05:57 AM
I cautiously agree. That said, I think Michigan State & Tennessee both are likely to slide given their schedules. MSU is now without Nick Ward while Tennessee before the Kentucky game had played an easier conference schedule than Gonzaga.
If Michigan sweeps MSU & Tennessee drops 2, the door will be wide open and the only question will be who steps through. Houston's lack of Q1 chances makes it tough to see them moving up much.
More than anything, I think it comes to getting ahead of Kansas. If Texas Tech (Saturday) & KSU (Monday) can take down the Jayhawks, our chances improve exponentially.
Is Wade gonna be out against Kansas?
This is exactly what I needed today, thank you
In terms of upcoming order:
Sat Feb 23 Kansas @ TTech
Sat Feb 23 Tennessee @ LSU
Sun Feb 24 MSU @ Mich
Mon Feb 25 Kansas vs. KSU
Wed Feb 27 Tennessee @ Ole Miss
Sat Mar 2 Purdue vs. Ohio St.
Sat Mar 2 MSU @ IU
Sat Mar 2 Tennessee vs. UK
Sat Mar 2 Houston vs. UCF
Sun Mar 3 Michigan @ Maryland
Tue Mar 5 Purdue @ MN
Tue Mar 5 Kansas @ OK
Tue Mar 5 Tennessee vs. Miss St.
Sat Mar 9 Kansas vs.Baylor
Sat Mar 9 MSU vs. Michigan
Sat Mar 9 Tennessee @ Auburn
Sun Mar 10 Houston @ Cincinnati
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Edited to add Michigan @ Maryland, Wolverines are in play now too!
Nice article...very pertinent info for the MU fan watching the scores...like me.
Side question...does Duke risk its 1 if Zion decides to go directly to the promised-land?
If he did, which he won't, then maybe. It would depend on what they did from now until the ACC Tourney.
With MSU winning last night does it make more sense to root for MSU to sweep Michigan now?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 25, 2019, 05:36:12 AM
With MSU winning last night does it make more sense to root for MSU to sweep Michigan now?
Possibly. Depends on how the next few games go. I'd imagine they're virtually tied on the committee's s curve now
Quote from: KampusFoods on February 22, 2019, 11:12:35 AM
Win out and win the BET and they'd have a hard time keeping us on the 3-line. That said, I still expect 2 more regular season losses, and we are historically crappy at the Garden.
I'm more concerned about dropping to a 4 than I am about rising to a 2.
In that scenario we'd almost be guaranteed a 2 seed. We wouldn't have lost a game in over a month and would have swept the entire Big East except for St Johns.
Honestly, if we win out in the regular season I don't think we can do worse than a 3 seed, even if we lose our first game in the BET(though I'd be nervous to be sure)
Yeah, it would take a few unexpected losses for us to lose our 3 seed. The 4 teams that were given 4 seeds in the bracket reveal of all lost either multiple games or 1 game to a bad team (Nevada) while we have gone undefeated. 2/4 of the "others team considered" have lost multiple games, LSU has a lost a home game to an unrankend team (but has two huge wins to make up for it) and Texas Tech is undefeated. I haven't seen any other teams soaring up in the rankings behind those mentioned teams.
I think barring a total collapse, LSU and Texas Tech are the only two teams in striking distance of our 3 seed. And while we were the last 3 seed, Kansas just lost by a bajillion and Purdue also lost and has looked bad in wins against bad competition. Go 3-1 or better the rest of the way and I'm feeling pretty secure in our 3 seed come BET time.
This might be a bit early, but come conference tourney week, what mid-majors should we be watching hoping for bid stealers?
Are VCU or Davidson good enough for an at-large? Meaning we'd root for someone like SLU or Richmond making the A10 a 3 bid league.
Same with ODU in CUSA, could Western KY or UAB winning the conference tourney make it a 2 bid league?
Buffalo should get an at-large even if they don't win their con tourney right?
We'd obviously root against Nevada anyways, but if someone other than them, Utah St, or SDSU win, how many bids would the MW get?
Same story with Wofford in the Southern, South Dakota St in the Summit, and New Mexico State in the Western. Any worthy of an at-large, or they all single bid conferences?
I still think getting a 2 seed is a tall order but I am more optimistic about being placed in Des Moines. Tennessee falling is the key.
First, Duke and Virginia get placed in Columbia, SC. Gonzaga will be in SLC regardless. Then, two of Kentucky, Michigan State, and Michigan need to finish ahead of Tennessee.
That would account for the 2 spots in Columbus, with the 3rd team likely heading to Des Moines. Tennessee and UNC would head Jacksonville.
Houston will be in Tulsa. If Kansas is a 3, hope they go to Tulsa instead of Des Moines. Both sites are roughly the same distance for Kansas. If Kansas slips to a 4 and Marquette earns a 3, that's even better.
That leaves Marquette vs Purdue for the 2nd Des Moines spot. The other teams vying for a 3 aren't that close to Des Moines, so I think Marquette has a good shot to be placed there.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 22, 2019, 11:05:57 AM
I cautiously agree. That said, I think Michigan State & Tennessee both are likely to slide given their schedules. MSU is now without Nick Ward while Tennessee before the Kentucky game had played an easier conference schedule than Gonzaga.
If Michigan sweeps MSU & Tennessee drops 2, the door will be wide open and the only question will be who steps through. Houston's lack of Q1 chances makes it tough to see them moving up much.
More than anything, I think it comes to getting ahead of Kansas. If Texas Tech (Saturday) & KSU (Monday) can take down the Jayhawks, our chances improve exponentially.
I'm curious to see how the committee handles KU's road record.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 25, 2019, 08:54:29 AM
This might be a bit early, but come conference tourney week, what mid-majors should we be watching hoping for bid stealers?
Are VCU or Davidson good enough for an at-large? Meaning we'd root for someone like SLU or Richmond making the A10 a 3 bid league.
Same with ODU in CUSA, could Western KY or UAB winning the conference tourney make it a 2 bid league?
Buffalo should get an at-large even if they don't win their con tourney right?
We'd obviously root against Nevada anyways, but if someone other than them, Utah St, or SDSU win, how many bids would the MW get?
Same story with Wofford in the Southern, South Dakota St in the Summit, and New Mexico State in the Western. Any worthy of an at-large, or they all single bid conferences?
In order, VCU yes, Davidson probably not, ODU maybe, Buffalo yes, Nevada yes, Utah State probably, SDSU no, Wofford yes, South Dakota State no, New Mexico State maybe.
Others that warrant at large consideration are Lipscomb, Belmont, UNC Greensboro, & Furman. Probably outside but worth a look would be Murray State & Hofstra. Maybe St Mary's, but seems unlikely.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 25, 2019, 05:36:12 AM
With MSU winning last night does it make more sense to root for MSU to sweep Michigan now?
I think so. I didn't get a chance to post this last week, but I was a bit surprised that brew only had Michigan St. on his list and not Michigan as well--really a sweep in either direction works in our favor. Although Michigan St. did make some sense with the injuries, I think Michigan has also looked vulnerable the last few weeks (four losses now in the last few weeks).
Now that Michigan St. won the first game on the road, I think we should hope that the Wolverines stumble down the stretch. They still have a tough remaining schedule--Q1 games at both Maryland and MSU and a bit of a "trap" game this week against a decent Nebraska team that has its tourney hopes on the line.
Villanova is really all that stands in our way. I fully believe we win the 3 after so we could be entering the BET at 27-4 or 26-5 with a loss to nova. From there if we win the tournament at 29-5 or 30-4 either way they will get a 2 seed. No team in the history of the Big East that won the tournament and conference has ever been given less than a 2 seed. Keep in mind all the teams ahead of us unless they win there tournament will lose another game and that includes michigan, michigan st and purdue all of which are around our seed. Tennessee is going to falter a few more times as well.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 25, 2019, 10:33:21 AM
Villanova is really all that stands in our way. I fully believe we win the 3 after so we could be entering the BET at 27-4 or 26-5 with a loss to nova. From there if we win the tournament at 29-5 or 30-4 either way they will get a 2 seed. No team in the history of the Big East that won the tournament and conference has ever been given less than a 2 seed. Keep in mind all the teams ahead of us unless they win there tournament will lose another game and that includes michigan, michigan st and purdue all of which are around our seed. Tennessee is going to falter a few more times as well.
It's still possible for us to win out and be stuck with a 3 seed.
The teams currently above or right around us don't play each other that often.
Duke: Plays at UNC
Gonzaga: Doesn't play anyone around us
Virginia: Doesn't play anyone around us
Kentucky: Plays at Tennessee
North Carolina: Plays vs Duke
Tennessee: Plays Kentucky
Houston: Doesn't play anyone around us
Michigan State: Plays vs Michigan
Michigan: Plays at Michigan State
Kansas: Doesn't play anyone around us
Purdue: Doesn't play anyone around us
North Carolina beats Duke, Tennessee beats Kentucky, Michigan State beats Michigan, Michigan beats Michigan State in the B1GT final, everyone else wins the games they are supposed to and plays to seed in their conference tournament. No matter what Marquette does, if most of the above plays out, they will be a 3 seed. It will be one of the best 3 seed resumes in history, but a 3 seed none the less. Now chances are, there will be some surprises along the way. Let's just hope that they only surprises that Marquette is involved with is that they win out the regular season and the BET.
One positive then to not being a 2 seed is the likelihood of being the strongest 3 seed which means we would avoid Duke,Kentucky,North Carolina, Gonzaga, virginia and michigan state. If we are are a 3 i would hope that the 2 would be Tennesee, Houston or Michigan. Since everyone is so close this year the difference between a 2 an 3 may be minimal
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 25, 2019, 10:33:21 AM
Villanova is really all that stands in our way. I fully believe we win the 3 after so we could be entering the BET at 27-4 or 26-5 with a loss to nova. From there if we win the tournament at 29-5 or 30-4 either way they will get a 2 seed. No team in the history of the Big East that won the tournament and conference has ever been given less than a 2 seed. Keep in mind all the teams ahead of us unless they win there tournament will lose another game and that includes michigan, michigan st and purdue all of which are around our seed. Tennessee is going to falter a few more times as well.
When's the last time the Big East was this weak?
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 25, 2019, 11:21:58 AM
One positive then to not being a 2 seed is the likelihood of being the strongest 3 seed which means we would avoid Duke,Kentucky,North Carolina, Gonzaga, virginia and michigan state. If we are are a 3 i would hope that the 2 would be Tennesee, Houston or Michigan. Since everyone is so close this year the difference between a 2 an 3 may be minimal
This is a good point, though it doesn't always end up this way. If I understand what the selection committee chair said during the bracket reveal correctly, the committee adds up those protected seeds and tries to make sure the pods are within 5 "points" of each other. So even if we are the top 3 seed, we could be put with the top 2 seed or top 1 seed, it would just mean that we are also with one of the lesser 4/2 seeds.
Personally, I'd rather have the 2 seed. It guarantees a theoretically easier path to at least the Sweet 16.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 25, 2019, 11:21:58 AM
One positive then to not being a 2 seed is the likelihood of being the strongest 3 seed which means we would avoid Duke,Kentucky,North Carolina, Gonzaga, virginia and michigan state. If we are are a 3 i would hope that the 2 would be Tennesee, Houston or Michigan. Since everyone is so close this year the difference between a 2 an 3 may be minimal
Conspiracy me says we end up in Duke's bracket no matter what.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 25, 2019, 11:21:58 AM
One positive then to not being a 2 seed is the likelihood of being the strongest 3 seed which means we would avoid Duke,Kentucky,North Carolina, Gonzaga, virginia and michigan state. If we are are a 3 i would hope that the 2 would be Tennesee, Houston or Michigan. Since everyone is so close this year the difference between a 2 an 3 may be minimal
Agreed, best case scenario to me would be getting the top 3 seed or bottom 2 seed with Houston (or Michigan) in the opposite slot as the likely S16 opponent, and Gonzaga as the 1
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 25, 2019, 10:33:21 AM
Villanova is really all that stands in our way. I fully believe we win the 3 after so we could be entering the BET at 27-4 or 26-5 with a loss to nova. From there if we win the tournament at 29-5 or 30-4 either way they will get a 2 seed. No team in the history of the Big East that won the tournament and conference has ever been given less than a 2 seed. Keep in mind all the teams ahead of us unless they win there tournament will lose another game and that includes michigan, michigan st and purdue all of which are around our seed. Tennessee is going to falter a few more times as well.
I tend to agree that in this scenario there is no way MU is off the 2 line. Besides the solid overall record at 30-4 or 29-5, Marquette would've won both regular season and conference ships, and in past yrs the committee has really valued that.
In this case MU would also have over 10 Q1 wins and would be in the top 3-4 in this category I believe, adding to the strong resume. This is more the profile of a 1 seed than a 2 seed tbh, so MU would be solidly on the two line (likely one of the top 2 two seeds) w an outside shot at the final 1 seed depending on what others do.
I understand that the BE is weaker than in the past at the top, but it's also very balanced with most/all teams around the top 100 and many of them in top 75. Let's say Zags (who might currently be overall 1 seed at the moment) don't win conf tourney and finish 30-3 and Marquette wins out and finishes 30-4 with a ton more Q1 wins and a sweep of both reg season and conf tournaments in a substantially better conference, why wouldn't MUs resume be better? You could play this game with a lot of the current 1-2 seed line teams, esp since many of them will have added additional loss(es).
Now the hard part that would get the eyerolls- I know I may be in the minority here but in the above scenario with Marquette sweeping reg and conf tourney titles and getting a 2 seed, a potential loss in the 2v7 or 2v10 game pre sweet 16 would still make this year a complete success imo.
I know it's horrible to even think about, I know it would suck arse, but I also know the NCAA tournament is amazing and shite happens. That nightmarish scenario aside the season would be one of the best in program history and that's why this ride has been so awesome.
All that said, the only game that truly matters *at this point* is Wednesday night in a brutally hard place to play versus the defending champ.
We are Marquette
Marquette will be damn close to the 1 line if they win out. A lot of wood still to chop to get there, though.
Quote from: mu03eng on February 25, 2019, 12:05:30 PM
Conspiracy me says we end up in Duke's bracket no matter what.
Conspiracy Kentucky fan says the same thing about MU.
Quote from: barfolomew on February 25, 2019, 04:04:09 PM
Conspiracy Kentucky fan says the same thing about MU.
Markus goes for a triple double against them in the elite 8?
Quote from: DoctorV on February 25, 2019, 12:34:28 PM
Now the hard part that would get the eyerolls- I know I may be in the minority here but in the above scenario with Marquette sweeping reg and conf tourney titles and getting a 2 seed, a potential loss in the 2v7 or 2v10 game pre sweet 16 would still make this year a complete success imo.
I know it's horrible to even think about, I know it would suck arse, but I also know the NCAA tournament is amazing and crape happens. That nightmarish scenario aside the season would be one of the best in program history and that's why this ride has been so awesome.
Couldn't agree more. This season has been a blast and this team is so damn fun to watch. A deep tourney run would be icing on the cake but once we lock up the reg season BE title, there will be nothing this team could do that would make me consider the season a disappointment.
Root against UNC UK LSU and Virginia Tech today?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 26, 2019, 03:25:05 AM
Root against UNC UK LSU and Virginia Tech today?
I would say so. You could cheer for Virginia Tech over Duke if you think its possible that Duke will have an end of season collapse without Zion, but I'm not seeing it so cheering against VT is probably safer.
You can also cheer for Indiana, Ohio State, and Buffalo for good measure.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 26, 2019, 07:28:09 AM
I would say so. You could cheer for Virginia Tech over Duke if you think its possible that Duke will have an end of season collapse without Zion, but I'm not seeing it so cheering against VT is probably safer.
You can also cheer for Indiana, Ohio State, and Buffalo for good measure.
Figure even if duke loses to them and UNC and we won out they'd still be ahead so probably not worth it.
At this point, I want Kentucky to stay ahead of Tennessee. Marquette isn't catching Kentucky, and I want Marquette to go to Des Moines. Kentucky going to Columbus makes the path to Des Moines much easier.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on February 26, 2019, 07:39:43 AM
At this point, I want Kentucky to stay ahead of Tennessee. Marquette isn't catching Kentucky, and I want Marquette to go to Des Moines. Kentucky going to Columbus makes the path to Des Moines much easier.
As much as I want the #2 seed...the most important thing to me right now is playing in Des Moines. If it's a #3 seed in Des Moines vs a #2 seed in Hartford...I think that's about the only scenario where I'd be okay with a #3 instead of a #2.
Quote from: muguru on February 26, 2019, 11:36:36 AM
As much as I want the #2 seed...the most important thing to me right now is playing in Des Moines. If it's a #3 seed in Des Moines vs a #2 seed in Hartford...I think that's about the only scenario where I'd be okay with a #3 instead of a #2.
Why is this so important to you? Do you have family there you can crash with or something? Wouldn't a competitor care about opponent/path to the championship rather than personal expedience vis a vis travel?
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on February 26, 2019, 11:43:39 AM
Why is this so important to you? Do you have family there you can crash with or something? Wouldn't a competitor care about opponent/path to the championship rather than personal expedience vis a vis travel?
Quote from: muguru on February 26, 2019, 11:36:36 AM
As much as I want the #2 seed...the most important thing to me right now is playing in Des Moines. If it's a #3 seed in Des Moines vs a #2 seed in Hartford...I think that's about the only scenario where I'd be okay with a #3 instead of a #2.
I think you are reading too much into guru's comment, EFR.
Des Moines is the best for Marquette in terms of proximity, which would hopefully mean more fan support. Recall that for MU's Final Four run, we played in Indianapolis and the Twin Cities for our first four games, and had good attendance at both locations.
However, I will say that it is tough to think of a scenario in which we could end up at a 2-seed in Hartford at this point of the season, so he presents a bit of a counterfactual.
Yeah, I don't think there's any amount of fan support that could be as close to valuable as playing lower seeds. We're not that important. Give me the higher seed over Des Moines every day.
Plus, if I understand the process correctly, getting a higher seed increases our chances of going to Des Moines
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 26, 2019, 12:14:06 PM
Yeah, I don't think there's any amount of fan support that could be as close to valuable as playing lower seeds. We're not that important. Give me the higher seed over Des Moines every day.
Plus, if I understand the process correctly, getting a higher seed increases our chances of going to Des Moines
7-1 record in away/neutral games since Thanksgiving is also pretty reassuring.
2 seeds would obviously be amazing.
But honestly I just wanna keep our 3 seed.
TT/Purdue/LSU/Houston doing us no favors. With Kansas lurking.
Those teams all have a lot of cream puff games left. A few challenges.
Quote from: MUMountin on February 26, 2019, 12:00:39 PM
I think you are reading too much into guru's comment, EFR.
Des Moines is the best for Marquette in terms of proximity, which would hopefully mean more fan support. Recall that for MU's Final Four run, we played in Indianapolis and the Twin Cities for our first four games, and had good attendance at both locations.
However, I will say that it is tough to think of a scenario in which we could end up at a 2-seed in Hartford at this point of the season, so he presents a bit of a counterfactual.
You're exactly right...I'm not going to any games, but I want them to have as big of an advantage as possible(this is the competitor in me :)). They would draw nicely in Des Moines I suspect. As far as the Hartford comment, I made that in regards to seeing the Selection committee had MU going to Hartford currently. That of course was as a 3 seed. I just through the #2 analogy in there to emphasize how I'd rather see them be a 3 closer to home, if that's how it worked out.
I really do wonder how seriously(if at all) MU would be considered for a 1 seed if they win out. Let's hope we have the chance to find out.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 26, 2019, 12:14:06 PM
Yeah, I don't think there's any amount of fan support that could be as close to valuable as playing lower seeds. We're not that important. Give me the higher seed over Des Moines every day.
Its an interesting question, especially when only talking about the difference of a seed line. There is a reason that home court carries a statistical advantage--a portion of that at least is the fan/crowd. I'm not sure that Des Moines is that advantageous to us versus being in Chicago or Madison (if they were to ever host), but being in decent driving distance will certainly help with the crowd.
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Plus, if I understand the process correctly, getting a higher seed increases our chances of going to Des Moines
But, yes, I agree with this--the main point is that no matter what, the higher we are seeded, the better the chances of playing in Des Moines anyway. That's why I said guru presented a counterfactual in proposing a hypothetical choice between being a 2 seed in Hartford vs. a 3 seed in Des Moines. No realistic way for the first to happen, so it is a false choice. The second one, though, is possible and may be the intersection of the most likely and advantageous outcomes for us.
Quote from: muguru on February 26, 2019, 02:21:00 PM
I really do wonder how seriously(if at all) MU would be considered for a 1 seed if they win out. Let's hope we have the chance to find out.
Its possible but still highly unlikely. The Big East is just to down this year even with a what would be 30-4 record. I do think we get a 2 seed in this scenario. This year there seems to be 12 teams that you could legit make a argument deserve to be on a 1 or 2 line. This just means you are going to see matchups that normally wouldn't occur until the final four happen in the elite 8 or maybe even the sweet 16. I could honestly see Purdue if they fall to a 4 seed knock out any of the 1 seeds same with Nova.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 26, 2019, 02:50:47 PM
Its possible but still highly unlikely. The Big East is just to down this year even with a what would be 30-4 record. I do think we get a 2 seed in this scenario. This year there seems to be 12 teams that you could legit make a argument deserve to be on a 1 or 2 line. This just means you are going to see matchups that normally wouldn't occur until the final four happen in the elite 8 or maybe even the sweet 16. I could honestly see Purdue if they fall to a 4 seed knock out any of the 1 seeds same with Nova.
Agreed that there is more strength in the top 6 lines while the bubble is baaaaaaaaaad.
I struggle to see Purdue winning against the projected one seeds tho. They are winning games, but barely against mostly average competition lately. They can't play at Mackey for the tourney. Edwards is a poor mans Markus. I'd love to face them.
With VT upsetting Duke, I'm cheering real hard for FSU next Tuesday. I don't think VT is close to passing us but that's the kind of win that can make up some ground. The loss also opens the door for a late season Duke collapse. Not counting on it by any means but if they have a WTF loss like home vs Wake or Miami all of the sudden they could be passable.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 26, 2019, 08:45:53 PM
With VT upsetting Duke, I'm cheering real hard for FSU next Tuesday. I don't think VT is close to passing us but that's the kind of win that can make up some ground. The loss also opens the door for a late season Duke collapse. Not counting on it by any means but if they have a WTF loss like home vs Wake or Miami all of the sudden they could be passable.
Not worried about VaTech. But I do think we should start including Duke in Ye Olde 2-Seed Rooting Guide until Zion is 100% back.
Quote from: Benny B on February 26, 2019, 09:52:37 PM
Not worried about VaTech. But I do think we should start including Duke in Ye Olde 2-Seed Rooting Guide until Zion is 100% back.
I would be shocked if Zion came back this year. Either way they wont be falling off the 1 line with how much the NCAA loves Duke.
Arkansas almost did us a huge favor. Had a 15 point lead in the 2nd half. Couldn't hold them off
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 26, 2019, 08:45:53 PM
With VT upsetting Duke, I'm cheering real hard for FSU next Tuesday. I don't think VT is close to passing us but that's the kind of win that can make up some ground. The loss also opens the door for a late season Duke collapse. Not counting on it by any means but if they have a WTF loss like home vs Wake or Miami all of the sudden they could be passable.
Pretty sure most brackets have FSU ahead of VT right now. FSU has a pretty easy schedule. THem winning isnt ideal either.
1 has to win.
Quote from: MUfanatic45 on February 26, 2019, 11:15:05 PM
Pretty sure most brackets have FSU ahead of VT right now. FSU has a pretty easy schedule. THem winning isnt ideal either.
1 has to win.
That's a good point, kind of a brain dead moment from me. I got focused on VT because they were in the "other teams considered" on the bracket reveal and FSU wasn't. Definitely possible that FSU has played their way above VT at this point. In that case, I still think the home win for FSU is the better result. FSU beating VT at home...meh they were supposed to. VT winning on the road at FSU, that's a bigger win. But you're right, both are probably about equal so pick your poison.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 26, 2019, 11:20:22 PM
That's a good point, kind of a brain dead moment from me. I got focused on VT because they were in the "other teams considered" on the bracket reveal and FSU wasn't. Definitely possible that FSU has played their way above VT at this point. In that case, I still think the home win for FSU is the better result. FSU beating VT at home...meh they were supposed to. VT winning on the road at FSU, that's a bigger win. But you're right, both are probably about equal so pick your poison.
Yeah FSU is probably slightly more ideal.
Kinda sucks. If we lose tomorrow we are actually in a bit of dangerous spot(even tho its not a bad loss). Teams like LSU, Houston, Purdue, TT keep winning too with Kansas, VT, FSU all lurking based off their schedules.
1 good loss and we might lose our 3 seed.
Quote from: MUfanatic45 on February 26, 2019, 11:27:22 PM
Yeah FSU is probably slightly more ideal.
Kinda sucks. If we lose tomorrow we are actually in a bit of dangerous spot(even tho its not a bad loss). Teams like LSU, Houston, Purdue, TT keep winning too with Kansas, VT, FSU all lurking based off their schedules.
1 good loss and we might lose our 3 seed.
And herein lies the downside of a down year in the Big East.
Tennessee down 1 just over a minute left.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 27, 2019, 07:54:46 PM
Tennessee down 1 just over a minute left.
That was an epic choke
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 27, 2019, 07:54:46 PM
Tennessee down 1 just over a minute left.
Volunteers escape.
wow Ole Miss had that gift wrapped and in the bag