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Title: [Paint Touches] Does this team have a switch?
Post by: PaintTouches on February 21, 2019, 12:18:41 PM
JB said it best on Twitter, but poorly as may MU play, I have an eerie sense of confidence about the results this season, for the first time since 2012. 

https://painttouches.com/2019/02/21/does-this-marquette-team-have-a-switch/ (https://painttouches.com/2019/02/21/does-this-marquette-team-have-a-switch/)
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Does this team have a switch?
Post by: Bob "Big Daddy" Wild on February 21, 2019, 12:33:00 PM
Good article - I haven't seen that +/- before - cool metric to use for this.  Shows it is not just recency bias making us think this way (I have been saying the same thing).
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Does this team have a switch?
Post by: Sponge Ruiner! on February 21, 2019, 12:48:06 PM
Paint Touches needs to do something about the advertising content on their site.

Kinda ruined my lunch...
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Does this team have a switch?
Post by: wojoswarrior on February 21, 2019, 01:01:27 PM
Quote from: Bob "Big Daddy" Wild on February 21, 2019, 12:33:00 PM
Good article - I haven't seen that +/- before - cool metric to use for this.  Shows it is not just recency bias making us think this way (I have been saying the same thing).
Is this "the" Big Daddy who hasn't posted for several months?
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Does this team have a switch?
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on February 21, 2019, 01:13:35 PM
I think a lot/almost all of it has to do with defense (as you noted). Being able to string together stops means you can go through longish cold spells on offense and still be within striking distance when the buckets start falling on your own end. Buzz's emphasis on "turkeys" (3 stops in a row) was akin to a switch being flipped.

The fact that this team's offense is more 3-point oriented than the '11/'12/'13 teams exacerbates the effect. Go cold for a bit from the arc and you can dig a small hole... but string together some stops then the threes start dropping, and a 2-3 possession deficit is now a 2-3 possession lead in a matter of minutes.

Last two years' teams couldn't stop anyone, so they didn't have the ability to "flip a switch" even though they were lethal on offense.
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Does this team have a switch?
Post by: goldeneagle91114 on February 21, 2019, 01:22:44 PM
Quote from: wojoswarrior on February 21, 2019, 01:01:27 PM
Is this "the" Big Daddy who hasn't posted for several months?

Nope. if you click on his name and then click "view posts" you can see what he's written. No the same guy.
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Does this team have a switch?
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on February 21, 2019, 01:40:11 PM
Quote from: Sponge Ruiner! on February 21, 2019, 12:48:06 PM
Paint Touches needs to do something about the advertising content on their site.

Kinda ruined my lunch...

Be ready.
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Does this team have a switch?
Post by: Benny B on February 21, 2019, 01:54:22 PM
God's honest truth, this is the actual (albeit paraphrased and abridged) conversation from the bedroom last night:

Mrs. Benny:  How are they doing?
Benny: Halftime, down 1.  Exactly where they want to be.
Mrs. Benny:  Awesome.  Go lock the door.

(several minutes later....)

Mrs. Benny: They winning?*
Benny:  By 10.  Under five to go.
[Sacar hits a three]
Mrs. Benny:  Yep.  Game's over.  What are the plans for the tournament this year?


* I know when my wife is asking a question, and this wasn't a question; however, for purposes of a happy marriage, I have to treat all statements from my wife in interrogatory form as an actual question, even when they're not.  Hence, question mark.
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Does this team have a switch?
Post by: MU82 on February 21, 2019, 02:27:49 PM
Quote from: Benny B on February 21, 2019, 01:54:22 PM
God's honest truth, this is the actual (albeit paraphrased and abridged) conversation from the bedroom last night:

Mrs. Benny:  How are they doing?
Benny: Halftime, down 1.  Exactly where they want to be.
Mrs. Benny:  Awesome.  Go lock the door.

(several minutes later....)

Mrs. Benny: They winning?*
Benny:  By 10.  Under five to go.
[Sacar hits a three]
Mrs. Benny:  Yep.  Game's over.  What are the plans for the tournament this year?


* I know when my wife is asking a question, and this wasn't a question; however, for purposes of a happy marriage, I have to treat all statements from my wife in interrogatory form as an actual question, even when they're not.  Hence, question mark.

Well, Benny, it looks like you really are a baller. And so is Mrs. Benny!
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Does this team have a switch?
Post by: THRILLHO on February 21, 2019, 03:33:11 PM
Quote from: Benny B on February 21, 2019, 01:54:22 PM
God's honest truth, this is the actual (albeit paraphrased and abridged) conversation from the bedroom last night:

Mrs. Benny:  How are they doing?
Benny: Halftime, down 1.  Exactly where they want to be.
Mrs. Benny:  Awesome.  Go lock the door.

(several minutes later....)

Mrs. Benny: They winning?*
Benny:  By 10.  Under five to go.


By my math that's about 30 minutes in the locked bedroom.

Congrats on putting together that puzzle so quickly!
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Does this team have a switch?
Post by: MU82 on February 21, 2019, 03:35:22 PM
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on February 21, 2019, 01:13:35 PM
I think a lot/almost all of it has to do with defense (as you noted). Being able to string together stops means you can go through longish cold spells on offense and still be within striking distance when the buckets start falling on your own end. Buzz's emphasis on "turkeys" (3 stops in a row) was akin to a switch being flipped.

The fact that this team's offense is more 3-point oriented than the '11/'12/'13 teams exacerbates the effect. Go cold for a bit from the arc and you can dig a small hole... but string together some stops then the threes start dropping, and a 2-3 possession deficit is now a 2-3 possession lead in a matter of minutes.

Last two years' teams couldn't stop anyone, so they didn't have the ability to "flip a switch" even though they were lethal on offense.

While Mrs. 82 and I watched last night, she was disappointed in the offense in the first half. I said, "But look, despite it all, we're only down 3. That's because we can beat our opponents on defense now. Last year, if we went 3 straight possessions without scoring, we'd be a minus-6 or a minus-8 during that span. Now we can survive that. It's comforting."
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Does this team have a switch?
Post by: mu03eng on February 21, 2019, 03:45:00 PM
Quote from: THRILLHO on February 21, 2019, 03:33:11 PM
By my math that's about 30 minutes in the locked bedroom.

Congrats on putting together that puzzle so quickly!

Congrats on the spit take

:P :-* 8-) :o
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Does this team have a switch?
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on February 21, 2019, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: MU82 on February 21, 2019, 03:35:22 PM
While Mrs. 82 and I watched last night, she was disappointed in the offense in the first half. I said, "But look, despite it all, we're only down 3. That's because we can beat our opponents on defense now. Last year, if we went 3 straight possessions without scoring, we'd be a minus-6 or a minus-8 during that span. Now we can survive that. It's comforting."

Yep, it's a weird feeling after the past few years!
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