1. Rebounding was an issue early. They turned it around.
2. The Hausers weren't great. But they were enough. Still need them to get back on track. Joey could not handle McDermott.
3. Wojo standing with his hands on his hips looking at his team in disgust when he called timeout early in the second half. He could not have been more (angry). It must have worked. That was when the comeback started.
4. Extended layoffs are not MU's friends.
5. Theo stayed out of foul trouble. Double double.
6. Sacar taking the foul at the end of the first half affected the second half. Of course, it meant more minutes for Cain and Bailey. So, it worked out, but that wasn't always a given.
7. Markus forced a couple. He's earned that right.
8. Jamal Cain worked his butt off tonight. Well done, young man.
9. Terrible way to close out the game against the press. Joey fouling out hurt the press break.
9. Winning with defense = First place in the Big East.
Real tough game at Providence, then Nova...and even SHU. How this team finishes is gonna be fun to watch.
They ground it out for a tough win with D. Good playing by Jamal, we need to work on breaking the press. Good stuff Tower.
Markus likes playing at Providence
If one of our guys showed up a teammate the way McDermott did after picking up #4, how many Scoop threads would it start? How many slaps of five would be assigned as penance?
Providence is a tough match up for us and they are riding high after clocking SJU.
Big game!!!
I don't think it can be overemphasized how much that time out early in the second half changed the game.
No easy games as it is desperation time for 8 teams in the BE.
The best thing that can happen is what Friars did tonight, MU will realize it is no cupcake going there.
Fun game. Frustrating for first 25 minutes but then turned in a HURRY. That's what this team can do. Fun defensive performance from Theo, Jamal and Anim
That fricking press break reminded me of the Crean era. Brutal.
These guys prove game after game that they won't quit. Going down 8 early in the second half had me worried, but they really bounced back after the timeout. Great effort in the second half.
Feels good to be at the top!
Again, if Theo John stays out of foul trouble and remains on the floor, this team is very, very dangerous. First game in long time, but only one foul, 15 points, 11 rebounds and 3 blocks. Believe Morrow only saw a minute in second half.
Joey has gone from a frontrunner for BE Rookie of Year to not in last five games. Hope the freshman wall gets broke starting next game. He did that frustration thing again tonight after a foul and Theo got in his face big time. But Cain played in his spot when MU made that run, so good for him.
Seemed a lack of urgency or something in first half, but as long as they win by one more point, so be it. Protect the home court.
Defense did it for us tonight. Markus has us spoiled - you think he's having not that great of a night, then you see the stats. Great game for Theo - he seemed geared up to deal with Brunk the (forearm to the throat) Punk. Nice minutes from Jamal and it is sweet to see him playing well. Joey, not so much. I think the length/intensity of the college season has affected him. Bailey's shots were scary. Speaking of scary, imagine pressure on this team by elite athletes (on an elite team) such as might happen in the Dance. Wojo has some things to work on in that respect.
But a win is a win is a win and a win by any other name would smell as sweet. Let's see how the guys can finish.
What's up with Chartouny? I get that Jamal has played better and is earning his increase in PT, but I didn't think JC looked bad when he got his chance in the first half. Didn't get any second half minutes until Joey fouled out and we went without a big.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 20, 2019, 10:39:52 PM
What's up with Chartouny? I get that Jamal has played better and is earning his increase in PT, but I didn't think JC looked bad when he got his chance in the first half. Didn't get any second half minutes until Joey fouled out and we went without a big.
He made a bad turnover and Butler went a made a quick three. That was it for him for the night.
Quote from: nyg on February 20, 2019, 10:42:54 PM
He made a bad turnover and Butler went a made a quick three. That was it for him for the night.
Well Wojo has made it pretty clear that PT is dictated by defense and Joey was getting burned all night, and it's not exactly like McDermott is a post threat, I would have though that JC would have been a great candidate to chase him around the three point line.
The press break is a huge problem. We would be embarrassed by an elite team with that kind of press break im the tourney. They better figure that out. Was a huge wound to open up for people game planning for us
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 20, 2019, 10:45:31 PM
Well Wojo has made it pretty clear that PT is dictated by defense and Joey was getting burned all night, and it's not exactly like McDermott is a post threat, I would have though that JC would have been a great candidate to chase him around the three point line.
I only answered your question. Thats what I recalled happened.
I'm wildly speculating here, but I think Wojo left Joey in after some bad fouls to try and not destroy his confidence even further. Joey seems like the kind of player where getting pulled after a bad play would just compound the problem. You take the hits now so that Joey can grow as a player and learn how to get out of these funks.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 20, 2019, 10:39:52 PM
What's up with Chartouny? I get that Jamal has played better and is earning his increase in PT, but I didn't think JC looked bad when he got his chance in the first half. Didn't get any second half minutes until Joey fouled out and we went without a big.
Lol I mean the reality is he's just not that good at all. Very slow and doesn't bring alot. That's why he doesn't play much
Quote from: nyg on February 20, 2019, 10:49:36 PM
I only answered your question. Thats what I recalled happened.
I wasn't trying to be snarky or anything I was just kinda surprised. I agree with the decision to leave Sacar on Baldwin, but JC is our next best perimeter defender, and it was clear that Joey was not up to the task of chasing McD. I think JC could have done that very well, and at least made his shots tougher.
Quote from: Johnny B on February 20, 2019, 10:50:53 PM
Lol I mean the reality is he's just not that good at all. Very slow and doesn't bring alot. That's why he doesn't play much
Joey is much slower than JC. When someone is going off for 27, it's probably a good idea to throw a different defensive look at him, and it's not like JC could have been much worse than Joey tonight.
What a fun fu*king ride.
That is all
That pass from Theo at the top of the key to Sacar in the corner for the 3 was real nice.
There's a reason teams don't urgently press all game. They would get into foul trouble and worn out very quickly. I'm not worried about it. A lot of teams will look bad when a team is urgently pressing in the closing minutes of a game. Good to have it happen when you defense is getting stops and you have a double digit lead than it is when you're up only 2 possessions and can't get stops.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 20, 2019, 10:55:04 PM
Joey is much slower than JC. When someone is going off for 27, it's probably a good idea to throw a different defensive look at him, and it's not like JC could have been much worse than Joey tonight.
Why would the 6"2 guy do any better than the 6"9 guy
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 20, 2019, 10:52:20 PM
I wasn't trying to be snarky or anything I was just kinda surprised. I agree with the decision to leave Sacar on Baldwin, but JC is our next best perimeter defender, and it was clear that Joey was not up to the task of chasing McD. I think JC could have done that very well, and at least made his shots tougher.
Butler up 23-18, Joe made a bad turnover and Jorgensen dribbled up court and hit a three, made it 26-18. That's what did Joe in.
McD got his points tonight, but the other guys on Butler did not. Thats a good thing.
Quote from: Johnny B on February 20, 2019, 11:00:40 PM
Why would the 6"2 guy do any better than the 6"9 guy
Because the 6'3" guy is quicker and a better defender.
That being said, I think the right move was putting Cain on him which Wojo did.
Quote from: Johnny B on February 20, 2019, 11:00:40 PM
Why would the 6"2 guy do any better than the 6"9 guy
Because the 6'-9" is a relatively slow Freshman, and the 6'-2" guy is a significantly quicker 5th year Senior, that is also a significantly better perimeter defender, and has more experience running and fighting through screens. If McD had any post presence it might be a different scenario, but he is strictly a catch-and-shoot guy. Having your starting Power Forward try to chase him around all night is not going to end well.
1. Wins are fun any way you get them. When's the last time MU controlled their own destiny?
2. Theo showed what he can do without foul trouble and regular minutes. Oh yeah, he's just a sophomore.
3. Welcome back, Jamal. Watching him look for his shot first, versus playing hot potato with the basketball looking to pass immediately, was the most enjoyable thing to watch all night.
4. Bailey and Jamal on the same floor was the most underrated move of the night. Those 2 on the floor with Sacar locks down the perimeter for days.
5. Ed still solid in limited minutes, his depth behind Theo is gonna be huge come March.
6. On to the next one, let's get that 2 seed!
7. (Bonus) Blame the beer, did I miss Shake Shack tonight?!
Quote from: wadesworld on February 20, 2019, 10:59:46 PM
That pass from Theo at the top of the key to Sacar in the corner for the 3 was real nice.
There's a reason teams don't urgently press all game. They would get into foul trouble and worn out very quickly. I'm not worried about it. A lot of teams will look bad when a team is urgently pressing in the closing minutes of a game. Good to have it happen when you defense is getting stops and you have a double digit lead than it is when you're up only 2 possessions and can't get stops.
Yes, that pass was awesome. Followed it up forcing a to on a step oob on the sideline. Tack on a double double. Theo you are the man that we need, the man that we deserve
The team took advantage of a big opportunity tonight, claiming sole possession of first place in the Big East. A well-earned win.
Early in the 2nd half, the announcers were talking about how Butler was shutting us down. That we were on pace for our worst scoring game by far for the season, way short of our average of 79.
We scored 79.
Massive turnaround after the early 2nd half timeout.
Quote from: tower912 on February 20, 2019, 10:10:23 PM
6. Sacar taking the foul at the end of the first half affected the second half. Of course, it meant more minutes for Cain and Bailey. So, it worked out, but that wasn't always a given.
Without question Wojo's worst call of the night.
Joseph or Jamal should have been in giving that foul. If I still screamed at the TV during basketball games, that's when I'd have been doing it.
That said, any win is a great win, but a 10pt win is a NET win!
++ Wojo has showed he's willing to give JCS a chance, but when he commits a super-sloppy turnover and then gets beat on D, and then his replacement plays well, Wojo is all about performance and he decided he had seen enough. I don't blame him.
++ It was nice to see Sam be more assertive in the second half, especially after the big time-out Wojo called.
++ Morrow actually played well when he was in the game, but Theo was so good it was impossible for Wojo to get Morrow back in. If Theo stays out of foul trouble, we are such a good defensive team.
++ 2 straight nice contributions from Cain. I'm very happy for the young man.
++ Joey was doing OK for awhile but the second half was rough to watch.
++ As usual, Sacar did a heck of a job defending a very tough player. He gets the big defensive assignment game after game, and he makes his man work for every single thing. A nice luxury for a coach to have.
++ Markus took 3-4 silly shots and was too loose with the ball, but he still scored 28 points and played a good all-around game, including several fine defensive plays. Such a fun player to watch. So glad he's a Warrior.
++ We were 2-for-10 from 3-point range in the first half, 7-for-11 in the second half. It's not easy to keep a good 3-point shooting team down, especially when we get contributions from Sacar and Jamal.
++ I'm not overly concerned about facing a press. Joey is a huge part of our press break because he gives Sam a big target and he makes his FTs. Most games, he will be out there. I feel very good about a press-break unit that includes the Hausers, Markus and Bailey.
++ I thought Wojo had a very good game except for having Sacar commit that foul at the end of the first half. I hated that, and I screamed at the TV (take THAT, TV!). And I wasn't a fan of the next one, either. You put yourself in position where a touch foul in the final 8 seconds sends Butler to the line. Thankfully, it didn't come back to bite us too badly.
++ We're No. 1, baby! brewski, feel free to be right about it now!!
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 20, 2019, 10:39:52 PM
What's up with Chartouny? I get that Jamal has played better and is earning his increase in PT, but I didn't think JC looked bad when he got his chance in the first half. Didn't get any second half minutes until Joey fouled out and we went without a big.
He had a wide open three, he turned it down, 2 dribbles, turns it over, Butler runs down and get a 3.
My interpretation.... "joe, if you are not going to shoot when we get you a great look, someone else will. Have a seat!"
Quote from: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on February 20, 2019, 10:47:28 PM
The press break is a huge problem. We would be embarrassed by an elite team with that kind of press break im the tourney. They better figure that out. Was a huge wound to open up for people game planning for us
They Better
Quote from: 82fanatic on February 20, 2019, 11:22:41 PM
He had a wide open three, he turned it down, 2 dribbles, turns it over, Butler runs down and get a 3.
My interpretation.... "joe, if you are not going to shoot when we get you a great look, someone else will. Have a seat!"
I think Wojos leash is very short with chartouney at this point. And i dont know that i disagree. It seems u can tell first trip down the floor if JC has it that night. He is either attacking and agressive or he is afraid n timid. One is a huge asset the other will kill u. Ive not seen a game this yr where joe started poorly n ended strong.
He did come in late during the end game debacle
Jamal with nice minutes again. Very happy to see Sam get his in the second half. Needs to get that assertive nature going early for a bigger game, it seems.
Ed played great but Theo was just having a night. Loved it.
Nice to be atop the BEast standings. Keep it going, boys
I went to the game tonight. Was impressed by how the team battled back after a sluggish start. The time off was evident .
It was great to see Jamal doing good things, love that kid. Also enjoyed Theo very much. Butler worked hard but at the end we simply had more talent. Glad MU is taking full advantage of their roster strength this year, in the future the talent gap is going to narrow with several teams in the Big East .
First time in the new arena and had fun with our group in one of the suites. Was a nice experience. Decent crowd for a late start Wednesday game.
Quote from: MU82 on February 20, 2019, 11:21:48 PM++ We're No. 1, baby! brewski, feel free to be right about it now!!
The announcers said we were a half game up on Villanova.
Which by default means I'm right now but was also right then. In sports standings, a tie in the margin between wins and losses is a tie.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 20, 2019, 11:51:27 PM
The announcers said we were a half game up on Villanova.
Which by default means I'm right now but was also right then. In sports standings, a tie in the margin between wins and losses is a tie.
I'll take the obvious, all-alone-in-first-place scenario we're in now. But you're right a lot, so claim whatever you want.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 20, 2019, 11:51:27 PM
The announcers said we were a half game up on Villanova.
Which by default means I'm right now but was also right then. In sports standings, a tie in the margin between wins and losses is a tie.
So an announcer has never said anything that is inaccurate on a broadcast.
We're currently in first in the Big East by 1/2 of a game. If we were 1/2 game up on Nova during our game then our win over Butler did not change our record in the BE somehow.
Boy, if we could make our open shots we would blow most opponents out of the water. Is there an open shot stat?
Quote from: wadesworld on February 20, 2019, 11:57:45 PM
So an announcer has never said anything that is inaccurate on a broadcast.
We're currently in first in the Big East by 1/2 of a game. If we were 1/2 game up on Nova during our game then our win over Butler did not change our record in the BE somehow.
It was Homer in the post game. He wasn't inaccurate, he was correct. You confirm that in the second paragraph, which in turn confirms my original post in the "We're Number One!" thread.
Quote from: barfolomew on February 20, 2019, 11:17:14 PM
Without question Wojo's worst call of the night.
Joseph or Jamal should have been in giving that foul. If I still screamed at the TV during basketball games, that's when I'd have been doing it.
That said, any win is a great win, but a 10pt win is a NET win!
Worst call of the year.
Hopefully, you are correct. If that is his worst call of the year, everything is going to be OK.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 21, 2019, 06:29:09 AM
Boy, if we could make our open shots we would blow most opponents out of the water. Is there an open shot stat?
We are a great shooting team and our guys make a ton of open shots. We miss some, too, obviously, and those misses seem to come in bunches.
In my 40-plus years of closely watching basketball, I haven't seen a team make all of its open shots ... except maybe the Hickory Huskers. And they had both Jimmy Chitwood and the picket-fence play working for him. Hell, they had an assistant coach named Shooter!
Quote from: MU82 on February 21, 2019, 08:19:59 AM
We are a great shooting team and our guys make a ton of open shots. We miss some, too, obviously, and those misses seem to come in bunches.
In my 40-plus years of closely watching basketball, I haven't seen a team make all of its open shots ... except maybe the Hickory Huskers. And they had both Jimmy Chitwood and the picket-fence play working for him. Hell, they had an assistant coach named Shooter!
The team from Pleasantville was pretty darned good. Until they discovered sex.
As an aside ...
Another 3-game BEast winning streak for Wojo.
Not bad for a coach who shoulda been behind Danny Manning on our list of candidates.
Quote from: tower912 on February 21, 2019, 08:21:53 AM
The team from Pleasantville was pretty darned good. Until they discovered sex.
Lets not forget that Hickory had that great 6th man, (maybe because they only had that many) Ollie, he of the underhanded free throw glory.
Quote from: tower912 on February 20, 2019, 10:20:10 PM
I don't think it can be overemphasized how much that time out early in the second half changed the game.
Was that the TO where Sam hit the rhythm three off the pick & pop then was himself again for the rest of the game? Because I loved that sequence
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on February 21, 2019, 10:06:08 AM
Was that the TO where Sam hit the rhythm three off the pick & pop then was himself again for the rest of the game? Because I loved that sequence
Yep, that was part of the 8-0 run immediately following the TO that tied the game at 37. Went Sam jumper, Theo 1-2 at the line, Sam 3, Theo hook shot, BU timeout.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401083214
Box.
Quote from: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on February 20, 2019, 10:47:28 PM
The press break is a huge problem. We would be embarrassed by an elite team with that kind of press break im the tourney. They better figure that out. Was a huge wound to open up for people game planning for us
I want to be positive...we won and D was really good.
But I totally agree. Can you imagine Duke pressing us...we were worse than Louisville. I hope they make a point of working on this in practice...surprised Wojo really hasn't gotten this part of the coaching together yet....Breaking the press and in a lesser way, pressing.
Can you name another game this season where we had trouble with the press?
Right now, it's a one-game sample size, and Joey wasn't on the court.
As Aaron Rodgers would say ...
Quote from: MUBigDance on February 21, 2019, 11:57:43 AM
I want to be positive...we won and D was really good.
But I totally agree. Can you imagine Duke pressing us...we were worse than Louisville. I hope they make a point of working on this in practice...surprised Wojo really hasn't gotten this part of the coaching together yet....Breaking the press and in a lesser way, pressing.
In retrospect, I'm actually glad that Butler pressed us and we struggled a little bit with it. That'll be great tape and motivation for Wojo and the staff to use to prepare for better teams in a situation where it didn't really matter. Learning opportunities are great, and even better when they come from wins.
Quote from: MU82 on February 21, 2019, 12:06:20 PM
Can you name another game this season where we had trouble with the press?
Right now, it's a one-game sample size, and Joey wasn't on the court.
As Aaron Rodgers would say ...
I'm not going to try to go thru every game and see which ones...but had that thought against Kansas I believe and maybe it was Seton Hall.
I certainly remember thinking that "we need to get better against the press" while playing a couple of the low-lifes in the pre-season for sure.
I know its more than a one-game sample size...and it crystallized with the end of the Butler game. At the end of the season, we *should not* be that dis-organized.
I will say the two games for Louisville (Duke,Clemson) was worse that what I see from Marquette.
Does anyone have a link to a replay of the game. Stupid CBSSN was crap last night on the computer.
Thanks.
Quote from: MUBigDance on February 21, 2019, 12:48:26 PM
I'm not going to try to go thru every game and see which ones...but had that thought against Kansas I believe and maybe it was Seton Hall.
I certainly remember thinking that "we need to get better against the press" while playing a couple of the low-lifes in the pre-season for sure.
I know its more than a one-game sample size...and it crystallized with the end of the Butler game. At the end of the season, we *should not* be that dis-organized.
I will say the two games for Louisville (Duke,Clemson) was worse that what I see from Marquette.
I won't doubt that there might have been another game or two where it didn't go great. I simply do not remember any struggles like last night. And, again, we didn't have Joey on the floor -- a tall kid who handles the basketball well, makes good decisions and hits FTs.
My list of concerns includes too many TOs, occasional rebounding lapses, Theo getting into foul trouble and Joey's struggles the last month or so. I am not especially concerned about our ability to handle the press; maybe I will be proven foolish on that.