Theo's 6 blocks tonight against DePaul put him at 59 for the season -- good for 8th place on the list of all-time season leaders at Marquette:
142 - Jim McIlvaine (1993-94)
92 - Jim McIlvaine (1990-91)
86 - Jim Mcilvaine (1991-92)
84 - Faisal Abraham (1996-97)
79 - Jim McIlvaine (1992-93)
76 - Amal McCaskill (1994-95)
63 - Walter Downing (1984-85)
59 - Theo John (2018-19)
58 - Faisal Abraham (1995-96)
55 - Amal McCaskill (1995-96)
If Theo maintains his current average and Marquette plays 37 games (appearing in the Big East championship game and Sweet 16), he'll finish the season with 87 blocks -- 3rd most all-time.
Some will inevitably point to Rowsey's graduation or Sacar's perimeter defense, but Theo's transformation protecting the paint should be the least contested Scoop conversation identifying the catalyst for our (much) improved defense this year.
I can't even imagine his place on the ladder with some more PT without the foul trouble. Ironic he's evolved as an underclassman into what most, including myself, fantasized what Ed could be before the season began.
Quote from: Marcus92 on February 12, 2019, 10:43:34 PM
If Theo maintains his current average and Marquette plays 37 games (appearing in the Big East championship game and Sweet 16), he'll finish the season with 87 blocks -- 3rd most all-time.
The best one can hope for here is to be the greatest in MU history not named Jim McIlvaine.
Needs to figure out how to "protect the paint" without the fouls, though.
Those 2.4 average blocks comes at a price .. in 30 games, he's only managed 11 playing over 20 minutes, and 11 under 15 mins. (Yes, I get it, sometimes there are other reasons for him not getting above 20 minutes .. usually it's foul trouble.)
Quote from: Rick Majerus' Towel on February 12, 2019, 10:59:39 PM
The best one can hope for here is to be the greatest in MU history not named Jim McIlvaine.
I had a buddy at U of Illinois law school who attended Indiana for undergrad, great guy...he loved Jimmy Mac's game, and said that if he played for North Carolina, Dickie V would be touting him all day. So, one of us (I'm pretty sure it was him) dubbed him "McIltross" after 1990s UNC giant Eric Montross.
Quote from: MULaw14 on February 12, 2019, 10:59:27 PM
Some will inevitably point to Rowsey's graduation or Sacar's perimeter defense, but Theo's transformation protecting the paint should be the least contested Scoop conversation identifying the catalyst for our (much) improved defense this year.
I can't even imagine his place on the ladder with some more PT without the foul trouble. Ironic he's evolved as an underclassman into what most, including myself, fantasized what Ed could be before the season began.
I love what Theo is doing this year, but the purge of Rowsey is by far the biggest reason for our improvement on defense.
Quote from: TheGym on February 14, 2019, 08:59:02 AM
I love what Theo is doing this year, but the purge of Rowsey is by far the biggest reason for our improvement on defense.
"The purge of Rowsey" sounds like we got rid of him because he was embezzling athletic dept. funds or something ... but yes, trading out Rowsey for Sacar at guard was huge. As was Theo/Ed for Heldt and getting Joey/Bailey at the wing. Plus, Markus is definitely a better defender -- partly because it's easier to find a matchup for him without Rowsey being in the same backcourt and partly because Markus simply has gotten better; for example, he did a great job keeping Gillespie from having open 3s.
None of us should underrate the power of having a rim-protector like Theo, though. He is only going to get better.
142 blocks??? Now that's rim protection.
Quote from: Rick Majerus' Towel on February 12, 2019, 10:59:39 PM
The best one can hope for here is to be the greatest in MU history not named Jim McIlvaine.
Yup. I know the old adage is "records are made to be broken," but this is one that will be standing for a long, long time.
Interesting comparative number:
George's scoring record stood for 40 years (1969-2009) before Jerel broke it. People were rightfully amazed at the how long GT's record lasted...a testament to his dominance.
Mac's block record will be standing for 25 years (1994-2019) as of the end of this season, and nobody has come remotely close. Theo is closing in on halfway through his MU career, and he has yet to reach the 25% mark in Mac's block record.
That said - Theo is amazing to watch, and he has a very solid chance of ending at #2.
Unless mutumbo is walking through the door nobody is touching mac's record
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 14, 2019, 09:30:06 AM
Unless mutumbo is walking through the door nobody is touching mac's record
Darn Wojo. willie is right about him being a lousy recruiter if he can't even get Mutombo to walk through that door!
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 14, 2019, 09:30:06 AM
Unless mutumbo is walking through the door nobody is touching mac's record
Could this kid be the answer?
https://247sports.com/Player/Bretner-Mutombo-46054289/
(https://media.giphy.com/media/nJlvB9o2Y7MqI/giphy.gif)
Quote from: MU82 on February 14, 2019, 09:34:14 AM
Darn Wojo. willie is right about him being a lousy recruiter if he can't even get Mutombo to walk through that door!
Yeah, but is this really Wojo's fault? I'd bet Mutombo has trouble walking through lots of doors!
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 14, 2019, 09:16:17 AM
Yup. I know the old adage is "records are made to be broken," but this is one that will be standing for a long, long time.
Until they invent the 2 block line
Quote from: TSmith34 on February 14, 2019, 12:27:17 PM
Until they invent the 2 block line
Well played, TSmith34. Well played.
Quote from: Marcus92 on February 12, 2019, 10:43:34 PM
Theo's 6 blocks tonight against DePaul put him at 59 for the season -- good for 8th place on the list of all-time season leaders at Marquette:
142 - Jim McIlvaine (1993-94)
92 - Jim McIlvaine (1990-91)
86 - Jim Mcilvaine (1991-92)
84 - Faisal Abraham (1996-97)
79 - Jim McIlvaine (1992-93)
76 - Amal McCaskill (1994-95)
63 - Walter Downing (1984-85)
59 - Theo John (2018-19)
58 - Faisal Abraham (1995-96)
55 - Amal McCaskill (1995-96)
If Theo maintains his current average and Marquette plays 37 games (appearing in the Big East championship game and Sweet 16), he'll finish the season with 87 blocks -- 3rd most all-time.
My guess is that this list is not even close to being accurate.
Quote from: Jockey on February 14, 2019, 01:20:22 PM
My guess is that this list is not even close to being accurate.
I believe it is. It's matched in our wiki, which I believe was pulled from a media guide. Last updated in 2016, but I don't think MU has had any single season records since then.
https://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/single_season_blocks
What would make you believe otherwise?
edit: wrong link
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 14, 2019, 03:00:25 PM
I believe it is. It's matched in our wiki, which I believe was pulled from a media guide. Last updated in 2016, but I don't think MU has had any single season records since then.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=post;quote=1092406;topic=57878.0
What would make you believe otherwise?
Because half of his blocks were called fouls.
Quote from: warriorchick on February 14, 2019, 03:10:25 PM
Because half of his blocks were called fouls.
Right, but then we'd have to judge the EBF% (Effective Block to Foul % ) of all others on the list to see if their records are accurate too.
It's worth noting that blocks weren't an official NCAA statistic until the 1985-86 season. So the list doesn't include past MU greats such as Jerome Whitehead, Bo Ellis, Maurice Lucas or Jim Chones.
Still, being one of the best shot-blockers since the Kevin O'Neill era is no small accomplishment.
BTW, Navy's David Robinson holds the all-time Division I college basketball record for blocks in a season. He rejected 207 shots (5.9 bpg) during the 1985-86 season.
Georgetown's Alonzo Mourning is the all-time record-holder in the Big East. He blocked 169 shots (5.0 bpg) during the 1988-89 season.
since it a slow week. How long does everyone think the career assist total of Tony Miller will stand? Will that last longer than McIlvaine's block record, or Howard's points total after next year?
Quote from: lawdog77 on February 14, 2019, 03:43:02 PM
since it a slow week. How long does everyone think the career assist total of Tony Miller will stand? Will that last longer than McIlvaine's block record, or Howard's points total after next year?
Good question. My gut would say Jimmy Mac's. I think the way rules are heading give a lot of advantages to offensive players and make it more difficult for shot blockers. That being said, Tony Miller is top 10 all time in assists. Jimmy Mac is "only" top 25 all time in blocks.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 14, 2019, 04:06:50 PM
Good question. My gut would say Jimmy Mac's. I think the way rules are heading give a lot of advantages to offensive players and make it more difficult for shot blockers. That being said, Tony Miller is top 10 all time in assists. Jimmy Mac is "only" top 25 all time in blocks.
I think Miller's record for assists will be broken before Mac's block shot record. I think it is much easier to have a point guard play for four years, then to find an athletic shot blocker who will stay four years. In today's world I do not think McIllvanie would stay all four years.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 14, 2019, 03:00:25 PM
I believe it is. It's matched in our wiki, which I believe was pulled from a media guide. Last updated in 2016, but I don't think MU has had any single season records since then.
https://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/single_season_blocks
What would make you believe otherwise?
edit: wrong link
What was posted is not inaccurate in what it stated. However, it is only accurate if you consider that Warrior basketball started in 1983.
I contend that there were Warriors
before 1984 who blocked shots.
Quote from: Jockey on February 14, 2019, 06:39:44 PM
What was posted is not inaccurate in what it stated. However, it is only accurate if you consider that Warrior basketball I contend that there were Warriors before 1984 who blocked shots.
Just like you walked uphill to school...both ways, huh grandpa?
Kidding. I get it, but if you can't quantify it, then the current list is correct.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 14, 2019, 06:43:29 PM
Just like you walked uphill to school...both ways, huh grandpa?
Kidding. I get it, but if you can't quantify it, then the current list is correct.
Any list of MU shot blockers that doesn't include Jim Chones is not accurate. No, I can't quantify that. But I also won't pretend he didn't block shots cuz they didn't keep track of them at the time.
The list is accurate for MU players after 1983. Nothing more.
Quote from: RushmoreAcademy on February 14, 2019, 09:11:14 AM
142 blocks??? Now that's rim protection.
A reel guy's gonna protect his rim, hey?
Quote from: Marcus92 on February 14, 2019, 03:26:02 PM
It's worth noting that blocks weren't an official NCAA statistic until the 1985-86 season. So the list doesn't include past MU greats such as Jerome Whitehead, Bo Ellis, Maurice Lucas or Jim Chones.
Still, being one of the best shot-blockers since the Kevin O'Neill era is no small accomplishment.
Or Michael Wilson. For a guard, that guy blocked a lot of shots!
I'd love to know how many blocks Wilt Chamberlain or Bill Russell racked up in their collegiate careers.
It's not official, but someone online compiled a list of 112 NBA games of shot block data for Wilt -- based on newspaper reports, game film, etc. (Blocks weren't an official NBA statistic until the 1973-74 season.) In those games, he apparently averaged 8.8 bpg. That includes 17 blocks in his very first NBA game. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar later said "In terms of greatness, MJ has to take a backseat to The Stilt."
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/3s7rlj/heres_112_nba_games_where_shot_block_data_exists/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/3s7rlj/heres_112_nba_games_where_shot_block_data_exists/)
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/6txx2e/on_march_18_1968_wilt_chamberlain_allegedly_put/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/6txx2e/on_march_18_1968_wilt_chamberlain_allegedly_put/)
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/430859-bill-russell-the-greatest-shot-blocker-of-all-time (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/430859-bill-russell-the-greatest-shot-blocker-of-all-time)
Quote from: Marcus92 on February 14, 2019, 03:36:26 PM
BTW, Navy's David Robinson holds the all-time Division I college basketball record for blocks in a season. He rejected 207 shots (5.9 bpg) during the 1985-86 season.
Georgetown's Alonzo Mourning is the all-time record-holder in the Big East. He blocked 169 shots (5.0 bpg) during the 1988-89 season.
So Mac's record is safe as long as Mutumbo, Robinson, Mourning or pre 85 guys like Wilt, Russell, Walton, Chones and many more that I'm not recalling walk through that door.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 14, 2019, 09:51:13 PMSo Mac's record is safe as long as Mutumbo, Robinson, Mourning or pre 85 guys like Wilt, Russell, Walton, Chones and many more that I'm not recalling walk through that door.
And Mac's conference records are safe as long as the Great Midwest Conference (defunct since 1995) never reforms.
After 27 games, Theo is now tied with Walter Downing for 7th most blocks in a season:
142 - Jim McIlvaine (1993-94)
92 - Jim McIlvaine (1990-91)
86 - Jim McIlvaine (1991-92)
84 - Faisal Abraham (1996-97)
79 - Jim McIlvaine (1992-93)
76 - Amal McCaskill (1994-95)
63 - Theo John (2018-19)
63 - Walter Downing (1984-85)
58 - Faisal Abraham (1995-96)
55 - Amal McCaskill (1995-96)
Assuming Marquette plays 37 games total, Theo is on a pace to finish the season with 86 blocks -- tied with Jim McIlvaine's sophomore season for 3rd most all-time. (It's worth noting that Big Mac accomplished that total in just 29 games.)
I've been trying to downplay that Walter Downing ever played for MU with my DePaul friends and make them own him. This isn't helping.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 14, 2019, 08:37:25 PM
A reel guy's gonna protect his rim, hey?
Unwanted rim intrusion costs games. Always, always, always protect the back door.