For some crazy reason I'm a little more concerned about the game at DePaul on 2/12 than I am about either of the next 2 home games, including Nova.
DePaul has experience, size, some talent and a senior shot-maker who can carry a team. Plus, (I believe) we'll be coming off a hugely hyped victory vs. Nova.
Obviously, a loss to DePaul wouldn't be as devastating this year as it was last year, but I still want to beat their brains in!
Quote from: MU82 on February 03, 2019, 03:23:52 PM
For some crazy reason I'm a little more concerned about the game at DePaul on 2/12 than I am about either of the next 2 home games, including Nova.
DePaul has experience, size, some talent and a senior shot-maker who can carry a team. Plus, (I believe) we'll be coming off a hugely hyped victory vs. Nova.
Obviously, a loss to DePaul wouldn't be as devastating this year as it was last year, but I still want to beat their brains in!
If we are fortunate enough to win the next two, which I think will be tough to do, a loss at DePaul would throw it away essentially for trying to win the league. I get the worry, they can definitely take a team down.
Is it really even a road game? How.many DePaul fans show up on a weeknight. Only.way we lose is if we play C level ball and they catch fire from 3
We need to get as many Marquette fans as possible to the game. Tickets are cheap and plentiful.
Yes no excuse to have a sea of gold there!
Quote from: Johnny B on February 03, 2019, 03:43:59 PM
Is it really even a road game? How.many DePaul fans show up on a weeknight. Only.way we lose is if we play C level ball and they catch fire from 3
Well, there are other ways we lose. They play really well and we don't play as well -- say we have one of our big turnover games. Or they shoot extremely well from 3 and we don't shoot as well as we usually do. Or the majority of close officiating calls go against us. Or etc, etc, etc.
It's a college basketball game. There are upsets every single day, especially on the road. I still remember the Lazar team losing to a dreadful DePaul team last decade. It happens.
Plus, DePaul is not a bad team this season IMHO.
Much more worried about the St. John's game on Tuesday than I am a game at DePaul 3 games and 10+ days down the road.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 03, 2019, 04:34:27 PM
Much more worried about the St. John's game on Tuesday than I am a game at DePaul 3 games and 10+ days down the road.
I'd expect nothing else from you, wades, as you are a very pragmatic fan. Thanks for confirming it!
Quote from: wadesworld on February 03, 2019, 04:34:27 PM
Much more worried about the St. John's game on Tuesday than I am a game at DePaul 3 games and 10+ days down the road.
I must agree. Considering the upcoming games, DePaul is the furthest game from my mind right now.
Quote from: MU82 on February 03, 2019, 03:23:52 PM
For some crazy reason I'm a little more concerned about the game at DePaul on 2/12 than I am about either of the next 2 home games, including Nova.
DePaul has experience, size, some talent and a senior shot-maker who can carry a team. Plus, (I believe) we'll be coming off a hugely hyped victory vs. Nova.
Obviously, a loss to DePaul wouldn't be as devastating this year as it was last year, but I still want to beat their brains in!
If this was a different year, I'd agree
This years team has taught me to remain calm, and let the talent and coaching handle it. I have full confidence the warriors win the next 3 straight
I'm a very impractical fan, thinking about games in no particular order, looking past some opponents, taking many for granted. Heck, I'm already looking forward to our first Final Four since '03, and just over an hour from my house.
Thankfully, Wojo and the crew worry about things in a more pragmatic order.
Marquette is clearly better then eight teams in the league. They are marginally better then Nova. That said, the Warriors aren't finishing 17-1 this season.
You're right to worry about any game against the Lesser Eight because we'll drop one or two we shouldn't in the next five weeks.
Let's worry about St John's first
Quote from: MUpilot on February 03, 2019, 05:50:47 PM
If this was a different year, I'd agree
This years team has taught me to remain calm, and let the talent and coaching handle it. I have full confidence the warriors win the next 3 straight
I like the way you think, pilot!
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on February 03, 2019, 08:20:20 PM
You're right to worry about any game against the Lesser Eight because we'll drop one or two we shouldn't in the next five weeks.
I used "concerned" and here you use "worry," and neither is really indicative of how I feel about the DePaul game or any other. I don't sit around worrying about anything having to do with our team.
For some reason, I just have a feeling that's gonna be a very tough game for us. I hope I'm wrong and we win it by 20+ ... after taking care of business at home the next two games, of course.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on February 03, 2019, 08:20:20 PM
Marquette is clearly better then eight teams in the league. They are marginally better then Nova. That said, the Warriors aren't finishing 17-1 this season.
You're right to worry about any game against the Lesser Eight because we'll drop one or two we shouldn't in the next five weeks.
Not sure why you think they are marginally better then Nova............none of the predictive models( Pomeroy, Sagarin, Trank) agree with you.
Both are good teams.......Nova is marginally better.......doesn't mean we can't beat them.
Quote from: MuMark on February 03, 2019, 10:15:41 PM
Not sure why you think they are marginally better then Nova............none of the predictive models( Pomeroy, Sagarin, Trank) agree with you.
Both are good teams.......Nova is marginally better.......doesn't mean we can't beat them.
Key word "predictive"
The game isn't determined by predictions
Marquette has for the better part of 20+ yrs dominated the crowd at depaul. When we have been good by alot, when we have been bad by not as much. I dont expect the 12th to be any different.
Wear ur gold or ur nacho cheese yellow!!!
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 03, 2019, 10:24:08 PM
Key word "predictive"
The game isn't determined by predictions
Predictive metrics are based on data from games that have already happened.
Who gives a damb what the systems say. Nova lost.to Furman andPenn. Not that it matters now. I think we are better them overall. Not sure how you can argue they are better than us?? Let's just smoke em on.satriday. national Marquette day baby
Quote from: Johnny B on February 04, 2019, 12:29:39 AM
Who gives a damb what the systems say. Nova lost.to Furman andPenn. Not that it matters now. I think we are better them overall. Not sure how you can argue they are better than us?? Let's just smoke em on.satriday. national Marquette day baby
How? Quite easily. Doesn't mean that argument is correct, but its not like its an absurd idea. Both teams could bring plenty of evidence to make their case as the current top team in the Big East. How the play in their two games (with a hopefully a third game in the BET final) will settle it.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 04, 2019, 01:22:32 AM
How? Quite easily. Doesn't mean that argument is correct, but its not like its an absurd idea. Both teams could bring plenty of evidence to make their case as the current top team in the Big East. How the play in their two games (with a hopefully a third game in the BET final) will settle it.
How? Well its my opinion. However someone said nova is better and I was wondering how the hell you could say that.
You can make a fair argument that nova Is as good as us. But saying that they are better is idk. Based on what.?
Quote from: Johnny B on February 04, 2019, 01:47:54 AM
You can make a fair argument that nova Is as good as us. But saying that they are better is idk. Based on what.?
KenPom...Sagarin...T-Rank...Vegas. Pretty much every metric out there says Villanova is a little better than us.
The beautiful thing is that Marquette will play Villanova at least twice -- would prefer it being 4x! -- so we will actually get to see which team is better rather than argue about what each of us thinks.
Quote from: MuMark on February 03, 2019, 10:15:41 PM
Not sure why you think they are marginally better then Nova............none of the predictive models( Pomeroy, Sagarin, Trank) agree with you.
Both are good teams.......Nova is marginally better.......doesn't mean we can't beat them.
I understand most everyone who follows American sports in 2019 is sucked in by computers. There are some of us who can look at that and then still work in what we actually see happening in the game rather then what an algorithm tells us what happened in the game.
I've seen Marquette play 21 games. I've seen Nova play 17 games. I have a very good friend who attended Nova and has watched every iteration of the program since 1986. He has watched every iteration of Marquette since 2003.
I have a very good friend who was an All-American his Senior year in University and is finishing his 21st season as a head coach of an NJ high school. His father was an All-American high schooler who played at Georgetown.
The assistant coaches at his school, the two head coaches of rival schools that we're friendly with (one played at Marist University for four years; one coached the NJ State Champions two seasons ago), and two other friends (one who attended Hall and one who attended PC) are also people I talk with frequently about college hoops.
The consensus amongst this group over the course of the last eight weeks is that Marquette is marginally better then Nova. I know these people aren't computers. They're just basketball lifers who have decades of exposure to the Big East.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on February 04, 2019, 10:39:57 AM
I understand most everyone who follows American sports in 2019 is sucked in by computers. There are some of us who can look at that and then still work in what we actually see happening in the game rather then what an algorithm tells us what happened in the game.
I've seen Marquette play 21 games. I've seen Nova play 17 games. I have a very good friend who attended Nova and has watched every iteration of the program since 1986. He has watched every iteration of Marquette since 2003.
I have a very good friend who was an All-American his Senior year in University and is finishing his 21st season as a head coach of an NJ high school. His father was an All-American high schooler who played at Georgetown.
The assistant coaches at his school, the two head coaches of rival schools that we're friendly with (one played at Marist University for four years; one coached the NJ State Champions two seasons ago), and two other friends (one who attended Hall and one who attended PC) are also people I talk with frequently about college hoops.
The consensus amongst this group over the course of the last eight weeks is that Marquette is marginally better then Nova. I know these people aren't computers. They're just basketball lifers who have decades of exposure to the Big East.
Yeah, but did you or any of your associates ever dunk in high school?
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on February 04, 2019, 10:39:57 AM
I understand most everyone who follows American sports in 2019 is sucked in by computers. There are some of us who can look at that and then still work in what we actually see happening in the game rather then what an algorithm tells us what happened in the game.
I've seen Marquette play 21 games. I've seen Nova play 17 games. I have a very good friend who attended Nova and has watched every iteration of the program since 1986. He has watched every iteration of Marquette since 2003.
I have a very good friend who was an All-American his Senior year in University and is finishing his 21st season as a head coach of an NJ high school. His father was an All-American high schooler who played at Georgetown.
The assistant coaches at his school, the two head coaches of rival schools that we're friendly with (one played at Marist University for four years; one coached the NJ State Champions two seasons ago), and two other friends (one who attended Hall and one who attended PC) are also people I talk with frequently about college hoops.
The consensus amongst this group over the course of the last eight weeks is that Marquette is marginally better then Nova. I know these people aren't computers. They're just basketball lifers who have decades of exposure to the Big East.
I've watched roughly the same amount of these two teams and have come to the opposite conclusion. Not at the beginning of the season but since Big East play began I think Nova has been the better team (though at Butler gives me a lot of hope). That's why people use computers. Two human beings can look at the same thing and come to completely different conclusions. Doesn't mean the computers are right, just means they are objective while the humans are not.
that's why they play on a wooden court rather than a spreadsheet.
Computers (T-rank, Kenpom) say that Marquette is a 3 point favorite against Villanova and @ Depaul. Whether or not that happens will be another thing.
Computer predict a 74-71 win over Nova and a 77-74 win over Depaul.
Looking at the numbers from T-Rank we are favored in every game except @ Nova which we are a 6 point dog. The largest spread is the final game of the year vs Georgetown where we are a 10 point favorite.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 04, 2019, 11:14:01 AM
I've watched roughly the same amount of these two teams and have come to the opposite conclusion. Not at the beginning of the season but since Big East play began I think Nova has been the better team (though at Butler gives me a lot of hope). That's why people use computers. Two human beings can look at the same thing and come to completely different conclusions. Doesn't mean the computers are right, just means they are objective while the humans are not.
This
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on February 04, 2019, 11:17:22 AM
that's why they play on a wooden court rather than a spreadsheet.
Well no. They play on a wooden court because playing on a spreadsheet would be very boring to watch! (Though kids pay money to watch others play video games now so what do I know?)
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 04, 2019, 11:14:01 AM
I've watched roughly the same amount of these two teams and have come to the opposite conclusion. Not at the beginning of the season but since Big East play began I think Nova has been the better team (though at Butler gives me a lot of hope). That's why people use computers. Two human beings can look at the same thing and come to completely different conclusions. Doesn't mean the computers are right, just means they are objective while the humans are not.
So, you feel Marquette was marginally better for the 13 games these teams played in 2018 but that Nova is marginally better for the nine games these teams have played in 2019?
Metrics no matta.
Team that plays better matta....
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on February 05, 2019, 01:09:38 PM
So, you feel Marquette was marginally better for the 13 games these teams played in 2018 but that Nova is marginally better for the nine games these teams have played in 2019?
More or less yes. Since we are talking about which team is presently better, those 9 games matta more than the first 13. Though I'll repeat again, that win at Butler was our best data point of the conference season. Makes me a little more optimistic moving forward.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on February 04, 2019, 10:39:57 AM
I understand most everyone who follows American sports in 2019 is sucked in by computers. There are some of us who can look at that and then still work in what we actually see happening in the game rather then what an algorithm tells us what happened in the game.
I've seen Marquette play 21 games. I've seen Nova play 17 games. I have a very good friend who attended Nova and has watched every iteration of the program since 1986. He has watched every iteration of Marquette since 2003.
I have a very good friend who was an All-American his Senior year in University and is finishing his 21st season as a head coach of an NJ high school. His father was an All-American high schooler who played at Georgetown.
The assistant coaches at his school, the two head coaches of rival schools that we're friendly with (one played at Marist University for four years; one coached the NJ State Champions two seasons ago), and two other friends (one who attended Hall and one who attended PC) are also people I talk with frequently about college hoops.
The consensus amongst this group over the course of the last eight weeks is that Marquette is marginally better then Nova. I know these people aren't computers. They're just basketball lifers who have decades of exposure to the Big East.
What's a Chicos?
Quote from: warriorchick on February 03, 2019, 04:07:42 PM
We need to get as many Marquette fans as possible to the game. Tickets are cheap and plentiful.
If I am in town I will go.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on February 05, 2019, 02:40:55 PM
What's a Chicos?
The special at Chipotle. Just ask them to hold the salmonella.