** with the work Wojo has put in this year his decisions should not be questioned or doubted**
I'll start with the above because I believe it to be true. As a glass half full guy I usually don't ever dwell on negatives, especially with regards to a 19-3 top 10 teams.
However, looking at the team as a whole I couldn't help but think to myself that there are 3 gripes from last night
1- Jamal Cain for obvious reasons
2- Matt Heldt coming off a great game and emotional postgame from his coach also logged 0 mins
3- Joseph Chartouney with an awesome pull-up 3 at a critical time and FS1 camera crews botched it! I was pissed, can't imagine how his mom felt.
That said, I'll take a crack at Wojos thinking for the DNPs. I've noticed that Wojo doesn't like to give those guys run in late game blowouts and my thought is that he doesn't want them to feel like they are mop up players. I've also noticed that when they do play, they come in early in the game and get several chances unless they have a bad run. It's almost as if Wojo picks bailey or Cain and then sticks with him if things are going well. When Matt was good Ed didn't come back in and Wojo hesitated to even put Theo back in.
In other words, it seems as if Wojo is making it obvious that he likes a shorter rotation (much like his mentor at Duke) but that he counts on everyone to play an integral role at some point, even though some get more of a shot than others. I'm ok with this and my first thought has always been that if I was a rotational player I'd hate not logging a single minute, but maybe it is worse to only get a few mins of mop up versus getting several games w important minutes.
My only quip w the above is that I think Wojo needs to look at the big picture a little more- 1) you'd hate to risk an injury or tired late season legs for guys like Markus and Sam. 2) Matt has given a lot to the program and has lost every year at Hinkle. He's a smart kid and I'm sure he realized how big the win was for his team, and it would have been nice to give him some run late in the game to feel somewhat a part of it
—Final thought, completely unrelated.
I have the sense that the most important "role player" on this team for a chance at a conference title and deep run in the tourney is Ed Morrow
I'd like to hear others thoughts but my guess would be that most think it's Sacar, and that's a valid alternative. I would go with Ed because I think that as Marquette plays better competition Theo will inevitably get into some foul trouble. Ed will see a lot of minutes and I believe that if he turns into the double double type that we expected before the season this team will reach new heights.
What a magical season so far, We Are Marquette
Blame the NET. We have had a number of games this year where we had leads and cleared the bench while the opponent left the starters in and reduced the final margin to smaller margins. That will directly affect seeding. Things have changed in that regard.
Also, as you touch on players other than walk ons often times find it embarrassing to go in for only the last minute or 30 seconds. I have had many occassions where i have walked down a bench with a minute to go and looked at a kid and asked if he wanted to go in and they said no. I dont hold that against them, i understand. Some kids do some kids dont n feel its embarrassing. If i ask johnny 3 times in that situation n he always says no i wont ask as often. If jimmy always says yes i will send jimmy in over johnny n johnny knows why n is ok with it. Pretty simple stuff. Walkons always wanna go in.
But with the makeup of the NET as it currently stands im glad we finished last night it has hurt us a few times recently
I just assumed with how Butler turned a 17 point lead into a 6 point lead in the blink of an eye earlier in the game, Wojo just wanted to keep the foot on the pedal. If Butler had pulled their starters or stopped their full court pressure, my guess is that the walk ons would have made an appearance.
Agreed on the camera work with Chartouny's three. Couldn't believe he pulled up for that....and definitely couldn't believe he made it!
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 31, 2019, 11:31:03 AM
I just assumed with how Butler turned a 17 point lead into a 6 point lead in the blink of an eye earlier in the game, Wojo just wanted to keep the foot on the pedal. If Butler had pulled their starters or stopped their full court pressure, my guess is that the walk ons would have made an appearance.
Agreed on the camera work with Chartouny's three. Couldn't believe he pulled up for that....and definitely couldn't believe he made it!
I will start by saying I hated the camera angle for not showing me if it went in. However, it was kind of fun to see that angle because you got to see Chartouney's face when he drained it. Pretty cool.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 31, 2019, 11:31:03 AM
I just assumed with how Butler turned a 17 point lead into a 6 point lead in the blink of an eye earlier in the game, Wojo just wanted to keep the foot on the pedal. If Butler had pulled their starters or stopped their full court pressure, my guess is that the walk ons would have made an appearance.
Agreed on the camera work with Chartouny's three. Couldn't believe he pulled up for that....and definitely couldn't believe he made it!
Chartouney has been a solid 3 pt shooter. Unfortunately some of his misses would cause one to think orherwise.
Joe c. Seems to be a huge Jekyll n Hyde type of player. From the GT game where he couldnt get out of his own way to the point that Wojo benched him n had to use Sam n Sacar at PG to a game last night where he played with supreme confidence that 3 is going down. His back to back assists in the first half to Sacar and Ed were a thing of pure beauty.
The good news is he has now strung two really good games in a row together.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 31, 2019, 11:40:29 AM
Chartouney has been a solid 3 pt shooter. Unfortunately some of his misses would cause one to think orherwise.
Joe c. Seems to be a huge Jekyll n Hyde type of player. From the GT game where he couldnt get out of his own way to the point that Wojo benched him n had to use Sam n Sacar at PG to a game last night where he played with supreme confidence that 3 is going down. His back to back assists in the first half to Sacar and Ed were a thing of pure beauty.
The good news is he has now strung two really good games in a row together.
Definitely agree that Joe C is a solid three point shooter. But I'm pretty sure that was his first pull up three in transition, hell I think that may have been his first three that wasn't an unguarded catch and shoot
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 31, 2019, 11:47:39 AM
Definitely agree that Joe C is a solid three point shooter. But I'm pretty sure that was his first pull up three in transition, hell I think that may have been his first three that wasn't an unguarded catch and shoot
He seems to miss the most from the corner. Seems to shoot well from the typical Sam spots (dead on or the wings). I feel like he is a much more extreme version of Sam's early season where he needs to see the ball go down early or, unlike Sam's feel for it, Joe C's confidence suffers and will second guess.
He really is a hell of a passer too. Some of those feeds were absolute artwork.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 31, 2019, 11:31:03 AM
I just assumed with how Butler turned a 17 point lead into a 6 point lead in the blink of an eye earlier in the game, Wojo just wanted to keep the foot on the pedal. If Butler had pulled their starters or stopped their full court pressure, my guess is that the walk ons would have made an appearance.
That was my sense as well. If Wojo had pulled guys and Butler made a few quick 3s, Scoop would be firing him today.
Unless I was sure, sure, sure the game was in the bag, I would wait for the opposing coach to raise the white flag and put in the end of his/her bench before I would do the same.
In my very first year as a head coach, I cleared my bench thinking the game was safe -- 3 turnovers and a miss later, all of a sudden it was a game again and I had to put my starters back in. Very embarrassing ... and we almost blew a sure win. Vowed to never do that again, and I didn't.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 31, 2019, 11:06:18 AM
** with the work Wojo has put in this year his decisions should not be questioned or doubted**
I'll start with the above because I believe it to be true. As a glass half full guy I usually don't ever dwell on negatives, especially with regards to a 19-3 top 10 teams.
However, looking at the team as a whole I couldn't help but think to myself that there are 3 gripes from last night
1- Jamal Cain for obvious reasons
2- Matt Heldt coming off a great game and emotional postgame from his coach also logged 0 mins
3- Joseph Chartouney with an awesome pull-up 3 at a critical time and FS1 camera crews botched it! I was pissed, can't imagine how his mom felt.
That said, I'll take a crack at Wojos thinking for the DNPs. I've noticed that Wojo doesn't like to give those guys run in late game blowouts and my thought is that he doesn't want them to feel like they are mop up players. I've also noticed that when they do play, they come in early in the game and get several chances unless they have a bad run. It's almost as if Wojo picks bailey or Cain and then sticks with him if things are going well. When Matt was good Ed didn't come back in and Wojo hesitated to even put Theo back in.
In other words, it seems as if Wojo is making it obvious that he likes a shorter rotation (much like his mentor at Duke) but that he counts on everyone to play an integral role at some point, even though some get more of a shot than others. I'm ok with this and my first thought has always been that if I was a rotational player I'd hate not logging a single minute, but maybe it is worse to only get a few mins of mop up versus getting several games w important minutes.
My only quip w the above is that I think Wojo needs to look at the big picture a little more- 1) you'd hate to risk an injury or tired late season legs for guys like Markus and Sam. 2) Matt has given a lot to the program and has lost every year at Hinkle. He's a smart kid and I'm sure he realized how big the win was for his team, and it would have been nice to give him some run late in the game to feel somewhat a part of it
—Final thought, completely unrelated.
I have the sense that the most important "role player" on this team for a chance at a conference title and deep run in the tourney is Ed Morrow
I'd like to hear others thoughts but my guess would be that most think it's Sacar, and that's a valid alternative. I would go with Ed because I think that as Marquette plays better competition Theo will inevitably get into some foul trouble. Ed will see a lot of minutes and I believe that if he turns into the double double type that we expected before the season this team will reach new heights.
What a magical season so far, We Are Marquette
I clicked on this thread because I thought there was going to be some MILF involvement. Pure click bait.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 31, 2019, 12:51:05 PM
I clicked on this thread because I thought there was going to be some MILF involvement. Pure click bait.
First, let me be the first Scooper to congratulate, you on your possible Fed nomination, Herman.
Second, on the JC 3, the cool thing was that I knew it was in from the sound—really whipped through the net.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 31, 2019, 12:14:40 PM
That was my sense as well. If Wojo had pulled guys and Butler made a few quick 3s, Scoop would be firing him today.
Agree on the concern with momentum but i have to think with all the recent press about the ORTG component and scoring margin of the new NET and its affect on the rankings that that has to be an aspect of it. Just like vollege football anymore where coaches are gonna keep the foot on the petal with the BCS computer in mind
Quote from: MU82 on January 31, 2019, 12:20:58 PM
Unless I was sure, sure, sure the game was in the bag, I would wait for the opposing coach to raise the white flag and put in the end of his/her bench before I would do the same.
In my very first year as a head coach, I cleared my bench thinking the game was safe -- 3 turnovers and a miss later, all of a sudden it was a game again and I had to put my starters back in. Very embarrassing ... and we almost blew a sure win. Vowed to never do that again, and I didn't.
Yep some of that is on Jordan especially given all the factors, wojo aint giving in untill Jordan concedes first.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 31, 2019, 11:47:39 AM
Definitely agree that Joe C is a solid three point shooter. But I'm pretty sure that was his first pull up three in transition, hell I think that may have been his first three that wasn't an unguarded catch and shoot
He had a few against the cupcakes that were off the dribble NBA range variety. I think Charleston Southern. But the majority of them have definitely been catch and shoot.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 31, 2019, 12:51:05 PM
I clicked on this thread because I thought there was going to be some MILF involvement. Pure click bait.
Good performance art is fluid and effortless. Your forced efforts fall miserably flat.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 31, 2019, 12:51:05 PM
I clicked on this thread because I thought there was going to be some MILF involvement. Pure click bait.
I expected to read the untold story that those three are brothers from the same mother.
Quote from: LloydsLegs on January 31, 2019, 01:38:50 PM
First, let me be the first Scooper to congratulate, you on your possible Fed nomination, Herman.
Second, on the JC 3, the cool thing was that I knew it was in from the sound—really whipped through the net.
Thanks Lloyds .
https://youtu.be/-DrSEyjBj1w
Quote from: LloydsLegs on January 31, 2019, 01:38:50 PM
First, let me be the first Scooper to congratulate, you on your possible Fed nomination, Herman.
Second, on the JC 3, the cool thing was that I knew it was in from the sound—really whipped through the net.
If Chartouny is JC3, and I'm assuming Cadougan is JC2, who is JC1?
(And don't say Jesus Christ. Thankfully, he was never recruited. He could walk on water but was horrible at the point.)
Quote from: Benny B on January 31, 2019, 06:47:37 PM
If Chartouny is JC3, and I'm assuming Cadougan is JC2, who is JC1?
(And don't say Jesus Christ. Thankfully, he was never recruited. He could walk on water but was horrible at the point.)
Joe Chapman
Jae
Jamal Cain. How many players have we had with the initials JC?
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on January 31, 2019, 09:48:36 PM
Jamal Cain. How many players have we had with the initials JC?
Ten.
Cursory research indicates the only initials with as many or more occurrences are DM, JM, and JS.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 31, 2019, 11:19:36 AM
Blame the NET. We have had a number of games this year where we had leads and cleared the bench while the opponent left the starters in and reduced the final margin to smaller margins. That will directly affect seeding. Things have changed in that regard.
Also, as you touch on players other than walk ons often times find it embarrassing to go in for only the last minute or 30 seconds. I have had many occassions where i have walked down a bench with a minute to go and looked at a kid and asked if he wanted to go in and they said no. I dont hold that against them, i understand. Some kids do some kids dont n feel its embarrassing. If i ask johnny 3 times in that situation n he always says no i wont ask as often. If jimmy always says yes i will send jimmy in over johnny n johnny knows why n is ok with it. Pretty simple stuff. Walkons always wanna go in.
But with the makeup of the NET as it currently stands im glad we finished last night it has hurt us a few times recently
That's not how the NET works, margin of victory is a very small factor but it maybe impacts our ranking one or two positions. Its analytics like KenPom that are forecasting performance where margin makes a big impact.
Being a mop-up player sucks. That's what I was in HS. One night the coach couldn't make it and the sub coach put me in with 25 seconds left. I told him as I went to check in, "This is going to hurt my average." I made the most of it - won a jump ball, had an assist, and 2 fouls.
Quote from: mu03eng on February 01, 2019, 09:08:37 AM
That's not how the NET works, margin of victory is a very small factor but it maybe impacts our ranking one or two positions. Its analytics like KenPom that are forecasting performance where margin makes a big impact.
It may be a small factor but a factor nonetheless and the fact that i continue reading articles where head coaches are commenting on it tells me its something they are concerned with.