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Title: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: tower912 on January 30, 2019, 07:29:14 PM
1.   The strength of this team is the team.   Markus, Sam, and Joey all with 3 fouls early in the second half?    No worries.   All 8 guys who played significant minutes played well.   
2.  Sacar is just fine.  Very nice game.   
3.  I am liking this whole 'winning with defense' thing. 
4.  The next guy who whines about hero ball needs to be banned.     Appreciate Markus.   Players like him don't come around that often. 
5.   A couple of stretches of sloppy play.    A whole lot of mewling.   It is going to happen with a motion filled, sharing the ball style offense.    Unless you want to see nothing but isolation and more hero ball.  Sometimes turnovers happen.   
6.  Before he arrived,  I never dreamed that Bailey would be a difference maker with his defense. 
7.   MU survived a slow, sloppy start.    Managed foul troubles.   Absorbed a big run from Butler.   Time to give Wojo some credit. 
8.  A little weak on the defensive boards again.    May be my only complaint. 
9.  If you aren't already on the bandwagon...... what the hell is wrong with you?
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 30, 2019, 07:32:24 PM
9 for 9 Tower. One of the nicest wins of the season. Nice to finally get that win at Hinkle.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 30, 2019, 07:32:55 PM
Are those new baby blues?
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 30, 2019, 07:33:03 PM
Re 9: Like I said this afternoon, we got this. These guys are for real!
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 30, 2019, 07:33:18 PM
All credit to MU, and I’ll say it...that Butler team kinda sucks. MU did what they should, beat up on a crap team.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: #UnleashSean on January 30, 2019, 07:33:26 PM
My 9-1 prediction is bad. I want to change to 10-0
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 30, 2019, 07:33:56 PM
D boards in the second half the only real disappointment after the early TOs.

The defense is niiiiiiiiice tho
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: #UnleashSean on January 30, 2019, 07:34:28 PM
Are those new baby blues?

I believe they made the lines more pronounced. Each jersey has them but there super hard to see.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Marcus92 on January 30, 2019, 07:34:50 PM
One of the most impressive and complete wins of the season. Picked Butler (a top 50 team) apart, possession by possession, on both ends of the court. On the road, in one of the toughest environments in the Big East. This Marquette team looks like it's still improving. Look out.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Bocephys on January 30, 2019, 07:37:10 PM
Does our NET ranking go up after this blowout, or does it need to have been over UTEP specifically?
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: WarriorFan on January 30, 2019, 07:37:35 PM
Great win in a tough environment. 

The line-up of Chart/Morrow/Joey/BB/Sacar was successful in their stint when we needed it.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: DUNKS45 on January 30, 2019, 07:38:03 PM
Great win tonight, I really think the best is yet to come. This really is a team.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: cheese ball chaser on January 30, 2019, 07:38:14 PM
What an awesome win. This team is so deep. High win margin on the road should help our computer numbers too!
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Johnny B on January 30, 2019, 07:38:44 PM
The naysayers saying this is a 6-7 seed need to stuff it now. This is a legit team. no business losing to anyone besides maybe NOVA
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: lawdog77 on January 30, 2019, 07:39:22 PM
Does our NET ranking go up after this blowout, or does it need to have been over UTEP specifically?
that, my friend, is funny edit...I don't know if you meant it as humor, but I got a kick out of it. I am tired of hearing about our inability to move up in NET because of UTEP
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: muwarrior69 on January 30, 2019, 07:43:54 PM
Great win in a tough environment. 

The line-up of Chart/Morrow/Joey/BB/Sacar was successful in their stint when we needed it.

..and Joe C hitting a 3!
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: AlumKCof93 on January 30, 2019, 07:44:27 PM
They play so well together, They complement each other and share the ball.  Wojo recruited coachable kids and he’s done a great job molding them in to a team.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: lawdog77 on January 30, 2019, 07:45:59 PM
nm
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 30, 2019, 07:46:21 PM
Final Four bound, calling it now.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: warriorfred on January 30, 2019, 07:46:57 PM
This win, at Hinkle, finally . . .  can I get on the bandwagon?
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: MUEng92 on January 30, 2019, 07:47:16 PM
I really enjoy games that the recliner can stayed reclined until the buzzer.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: dgies9156 on January 30, 2019, 07:47:20 PM
No banning. Markus got his 32 but didn't play hero ball. The way we tossed it around and played as a team was phenomenal.

Especially vaunted was the stretch where both Sam and Markus were benched with foul concerns. The guys held their own and proved they belonged.

I hate to say this but in some ways, maybe Markus' back problems were the best thing that could have happened to this team. They realized they had to win together offensively and all of them have stepped up. God forbid that Markus gets hurt, but there is something special about this team that's gelling right about now.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: hairy worthen on January 30, 2019, 07:48:00 PM
re: #5 This team turns the ball over way too much, no excuse for some of them. If they can cut down on turnovers the sky is the limit.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: GB Warrior on January 30, 2019, 07:48:10 PM
Just gonna watch Joey split the double team, drive and dish to his brother over and over again
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: lurch91 on January 30, 2019, 07:48:19 PM
Props to Wojo, St John's is the biggest game of the season. 
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 30, 2019, 07:51:04 PM
Final Four bound, calling it now.

Man, sleeping in my own bed and being able to walk to the game would be such a dream
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: nyg on January 30, 2019, 07:51:47 PM
I had picked Butler, thought they were better and at home.  Not impressed tonight because of MU's defense.  Like Rafferty said, they miss a Kelan Martin because their bigs are not very good and very slow. Well, they were good at tipping the ball back on offensive boards, thats about it. I bet half of their points were a result.  Maybe one of you stats guys can determine number of BU points off offensive rebounds.

Bailey is so long with his arms, a nightmare for opponents.  He looks much taller than 6ft 8. Just needs to make a few of those open threes.

Theo, no foul trouble and no points, but four blocks and  four bounds.  Morrow with four, one and six.  Add it up, come to four points, 10 rebounds and five blocks. Nice.

Take any win when we have 16 turnovers on the road, score on first possession and then miss on next eight, foul issues with two best players and win by 18.  Great fortitude by the team. 
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 30, 2019, 07:53:20 PM
I’m really amped up for the revenge game with the Johnnie’s. I’m glad it’s before Nova, and I hope we trounce them next Tuesday night.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: warriorstrack on January 30, 2019, 07:53:27 PM
This win, at Hinkle, finally . . .  can I get on the bandwagon?
Plenty of room
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 30, 2019, 07:55:34 PM
This was really nice. Definitely a NET win.  ;D

Love the constant evolution of this team. Big scorers, tough defense, everyone stepping up big when we need them. Wojo has a hell of a team and system going right now.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: We R Final Four on January 30, 2019, 07:58:37 PM
Final Four bound, calling it now.
Chi—when BU went on the 11-0 run and Hinkle came alive.....I thought of you.
So glad we got this win.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: tower912 on January 30, 2019, 07:58:58 PM
With 2 minutes left, I started muttering about clearing the bench.  I wonder if Wojo looks at the net and decided to maintain the lead.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: DoctorV on January 30, 2019, 08:00:09 PM
Special night, special win.

Defense, defense, defense.

New big 3 tonight, great game sacar.

Not sure why tonight was the night but I moved Markus into the best I’ve ever seen at Marquette and by connection in ncaab. Mr Wade you were amazing, but Mr Markus is the best college ball player I’ve ever seen. Must see tv can’t wait for the next
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Jay Bee on January 30, 2019, 08:01:02 PM
Man, sleeping in my own bed and being able to walk to the game would be such a dream

Word khed, I'd be doing the same thing. You ever play ball at Lifetime target center?
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: warriorfred on January 30, 2019, 08:01:36 PM
Plenty of room

Thanks.  Much appreciated.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 30, 2019, 08:06:24 PM
Chi—when BU went on the 11-0 run and Hinkle came alive.....I thought of you.
So glad we got this win.

Ha, I guess Hinkle is my Ners moment.

Always expect a run from any home team that's down in the second half, but was admittedly a tad more nervous during that one  ;D
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: jsglow on January 30, 2019, 08:07:01 PM
My favorite play from Markus.....  He has that big switched on him.  Quick drive to the left to force retreat and then the step back 3.  It literally looked unfair it was so automatic.  We all knew exactly what was coming.  Unstoppable.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 30, 2019, 08:08:04 PM
Word khed, I'd be doing the same thing. You ever play ball at Lifetime target center?

No I haven’t. I more so go to suburbs lifetimes.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: We R Final Four on January 30, 2019, 08:10:32 PM
[quote author=tower912 link=topic=57698.msg1085457#msg1085457 date=1548898154
5.   A couple of stretches of sloppy play.    A whole lot of mewling.   It is going to happen with a motion filled, sharing the ball style offense.    Unless you want to see nothing but isolation and more hero ball.  Sometimes turnovers happen.   

[/quote]
I think this is a little bit of an over generalization. There is certainly room for improvement in this department. I don’t think turnovers are a necessary byproduct of our offense. Yes, we have overcome our turnovers.....but I’m not on board with “sometimes turnovers happen.”

Other points were spot on.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 30, 2019, 08:10:40 PM
My favorite play from Markus.....  He has that big switched on him.  Quick drive to the left to force retreat and then the step back 3.  It literally looked unfair it was so automatic.  We all knew exactly what was coming.  Unstoppable.

https://twitter.com/natemar3i0n/status/1090782077124071425

I have watched this about 30 times just to see the bench's reaction.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: mileskishnish72 on January 30, 2019, 08:13:45 PM
Sloppy, sloppy.

But this was exactly the kind of game in whch a top 10 team has to assert itself, and they did. Glad to get off the schneid with Hinkle. Now: payback to the Johnnies - don't be looking past them to Nova.

After X, it seemed like the zebras were pretty good.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: We R Final Four on January 30, 2019, 08:14:33 PM
https://twitter.com/natemar3i0n/status/1090782077124071425

I have watched this about 30 times just to see the bench's reaction.
Haha—love to see the Greg ‘strumming 3.’
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: jsglow on January 30, 2019, 08:14:59 PM
https://twitter.com/natemar3i0n/status/1090782077124071425

I have watched this about 30 times just to see the bench's reaction.

You wanna go home?  Let's go home!
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: connie on January 30, 2019, 08:15:50 PM
Loving the D, not so much the TO's.  You can justify all you want, but the sloppiness will end up biting them.  Great team game.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on January 30, 2019, 08:18:23 PM
Great look on Markus’s face after hitting that shot.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: jsglow on January 30, 2019, 08:22:01 PM
Loving the D, not so much the TO's.  You can justify all you want, but the sloppiness will end up biting them.  Great team game.

That and a little softness on the D glass tonight.  But all in all, probably our most complete game.  Certainly on the road for sure.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Jockey on January 30, 2019, 08:24:48 PM
https://twitter.com/natemar3i0n/status/1090782077124071425

I have watched this about 30 times just to see the bench's reaction.

I gotta wonder....

How many on this board said "step back three" (or some version, thereof)  either out loud or just thought it when they saw the big man switched onto Markus?

Was watching with my wife and the words out of my mouth before the shot were "Steph Curry stepback".
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: cheese ball chaser on January 30, 2019, 08:25:06 PM
With that win we moved up 10 spots in KenPom
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Norm on January 30, 2019, 08:25:51 PM
https://twitter.com/natemar3i0n/status/1090782077124071425

I have watched this about 30 times just to see the bench's reaction.

Awesome. Cain starts dancing on his chair as the shot goes up, Joe C bends backwards as it falls, Bailey slaps his head back, and Greg calmly strums his air guitar. They all knew it was going in.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: MUEng92 on January 30, 2019, 08:28:07 PM
Greg looks like a gif
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: dgies9156 on January 30, 2019, 08:32:28 PM
Markus made a comment in the post-game that said, "We are Marquette."

"I'm here to talk about the team. We fight in practice, we hang out together and we like each other."

Wow -- something is going right!
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: pbiflyer on January 30, 2019, 08:34:59 PM
Great win in a tough environment. 

The line-up of Chart/Morrow/Joey/BB/Sacar was successful in their stint when we needed it.

Funny, I looked at that line up when they first went in, said "not really thrilled with it." They promptly scored and then got a stop.
Once again, proving why I was not on the short list of people to coach #mubb.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: wadesworld on January 30, 2019, 08:36:08 PM
Props to Wojo, St John's is the biggest game of the season.

This guy gets it.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 30, 2019, 08:39:43 PM
Awesome. Cain starts dancing on his chair as the shot goes up, Joe C bends backwards as it falls, Bailey slaps his head back, and Greg calmly strums his air guitar. They all knew it was going in.

Sacar strummed one after his big 3 too
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: YoungMUFan4 on January 30, 2019, 08:40:58 PM
Cell Phone two years ago
Watch last year
Guitar this year
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: wadesworld on January 30, 2019, 08:41:40 PM
https://twitter.com/natemar3i0n/status/1090782077124071425

I have watched this about 30 times just to see the bench's reaction.

Touney knew before Markus even got into his shot.

Jamal doesn't look like a guy who can't find the court.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: wadesworld on January 30, 2019, 08:43:27 PM
Greg looks like a gif

Lol.  Didn't even notice Greg.  Man I love him.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 30, 2019, 08:43:48 PM
All credit to MU, and I’ll say it...that Butler team kinda sucks. MU did what they should, beat up on a crap team.

I was mildly stunned with how bad Butler was.  Never sold on Baldwin and without martin, wideman, and Dunham around him he has next to zero help.  Im not sure who on that team besides Baldwin n Tucker are BE players. 
Hadnt seen them play this year, until tonight and they stink.  MU protects the ball a little better n wins by 30.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Johnny B on January 30, 2019, 08:44:17 PM
Cain another DNP. is Wojo pressuring him to transfer?
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Herman Cain on January 30, 2019, 08:44:53 PM
Man, sleeping in my own bed and being able to walk to the game would be such a dream
My dream bed would include Barbara Eden as well.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: wadesworld on January 30, 2019, 08:45:38 PM
Cain another DNP. is Wojo pressuring him to transfer?

No.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 30, 2019, 08:47:34 PM
re: #5 This team turns the ball over way too much, no excuse for some of them. If they can cut down on turnovers the sky is the limit.

I agree plenty of good ball movement teams that dont turn it over alot.  Including us recently until reverting tonight
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 30, 2019, 08:47:36 PM
Cain another DNP. is Wojo pressuring him to transfer?

Do you think he should be playing?
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Johnny B on January 30, 2019, 08:48:40 PM
Do you think he should be playing?
Eh idk Bailey has missed how many threes in a row now? figured maybe throw cain in. see what happens
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on January 30, 2019, 08:48:53 PM
Have to love beating Butler in that stupid old gym of theirs. But I was left with the distinct impression that they mostly just suck this year. That said, took care of business on the road.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: warriorchick on January 30, 2019, 08:49:07 PM
Greg looks like a gif

(https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/babygif.gif?w=700&crop=1[img])[/img]
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: warriorchick on January 30, 2019, 08:51:00 PM
Have to love beating Butler in that stupid old gym of theirs. But I was left with the distinct impression that they mostly just suck this year. That said, took care of business on the road.

 Hinckle is the coolest thing about Butler.  It may be the coolest thing about Indianapolis.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: We R Final Four on January 30, 2019, 08:54:44 PM
Funny, I looked at that line up when they first went in, said "not really thrilled with it." They promptly scored and then got a stop.
Once again, proving why I was not on the short list of people to coach #mubb.
Gotta work on your PowerPoint game.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: We R Final Four on January 30, 2019, 08:58:29 PM
Cain another DNP. is Wojo pressuring him to transfer?
LOL.
He may transfer....he may not.
But, Wojo not playing him is evidence that Wojo wants him to transfer?.......ah no.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Johnny B on January 30, 2019, 09:01:32 PM
LOL.
He may transfer....he may not.
But, Wojo not playing him is evidence that Wojo wants him to transfer?.......ah no.
didn't say it was evidence.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: LloydsLegs on January 30, 2019, 09:02:04 PM
Cell Phone two years ago
Watch last year
Guitar this year

3 goggles before that
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: We R Final Four on January 30, 2019, 09:04:55 PM
didn't say it was evidence.
Ok...Wojo not playing Cain tonight was not a pressure/push/example/hope/boot/mind game to get Jamal to transfer.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: LloydsLegs on January 30, 2019, 09:05:53 PM
One reason for the non-optimal defensive rebounding is Theo contesting shots and then being out of position/not blocking out. I’ll take that trade off though. 
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 30, 2019, 09:10:32 PM
One of the reasons Butler had a lot of offensive rebounds is that they missed a bunch of shot.

Butler had a 29% OR rate.  That's pretty average.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: frozena pizza on January 30, 2019, 09:11:12 PM

Especially vaunted was the stretch where both Sam and Markus were benched with foul concerns. The guys held their own and proved they belonged.

Not to nit pick but I was pretty worried at this point.  A 17 point lead was cut to 6 in 3 minutes.  Markus went back in and it went back up to 18.  Thought maybe Heldt and Cain might get a little run at that point but no.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 30, 2019, 09:15:58 PM
Cain another DNP. is Wojo pressuring him to transfer?

No. Bailey is playing better.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Its DJOver on January 30, 2019, 09:25:33 PM
Gotta say, I'm worried that Butler may be glued next to DePaul at the bottom of the standings for quite some time.  Tucker, Baldwin, Thompson, and McDermott will be back next year, so they might be decent, but I have seen nothing from Jordan to suggest that he can get the job done.  If Wojo put in a performance like that I would be equally worried.

As for the game.  I thought the biggest challenge would be overcoming Hinkle, and it seemed to be almost a non-factor, job well done.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: brewcity77 on January 30, 2019, 09:26:53 PM
I don't know the last time Butler lost by that much at Hinkle.

It's not for lack of trying, I checked kenpom back to 2001-02 and their previous largest defeat was 17 points on two occasions.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: 82fanatic on January 30, 2019, 09:29:58 PM
I was mildly stunned with how bad Butler was.  Never sold on Baldwin and without martin, wideman, and Dunham around him he has next to zero help.  Im not sure who on that team besides Baldwin n Tucker are BE players. 
Hadnt seen them play this year, until tonight and they stink.  MU protects the ball a little better n wins by 30.
Your such a (shortened Richard),   Marquette wins, it must be because the other team sucks!  NO!  These guys are good!  Maybe we made then look bad?  Oh of course not, “Wojo sucks.”    Glad your not on my team in any way!
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 30, 2019, 09:34:00 PM
Gotta say, I'm worried that Butler may be glued next to DePaul at the bottom of the standings for quite some time.  Tucker, Baldwin, Thompson, and McDermott will be back next year, so they might be decent, but I have seen nothing from Jordan to suggest that he can get the job done. 
Butler was a missed three point shot vs Purdue to be in the Sweet 16 last season.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 30, 2019, 09:35:06 PM
I don't know the last time Butler lost by that much at Hinkle.

It's not for lack of trying, I checked kenpom back to 2001-02 and their previous largest defeat was 17 points on two occasions.


On December 20, 1992, they lost to #5 UNC by 47 at Hinkle.  My guess is that this was Dean Smith giving Eric Montross a game back home in Indianapolis.  Tonight was their worst home loss since then.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 30, 2019, 09:37:09 PM

Hadnt seen them play this year, until tonight and they stink. 
You have not seen Butler play this season. Where you been. It's not like every game isn't on national TV.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Its DJOver on January 30, 2019, 09:38:53 PM
Butler was a missed three point shot vs Purdue to be in the Sweet 16 last season.

With both Martin and Baldwin, neither of whom were Jordan players.  I know you need 4-5 years to judge, but tonight was not a good performance by Jordan.  Holtmann was extremely underrated IMO.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: brewcity77 on January 30, 2019, 09:41:26 PM

On December 20, 1992, they lost to #5 UNC by 47 at Hinkle.  My guess is that this was Dean Smith giving Eric Montross a game back home in Indianapolis.  Tonight was their worst home loss since then.

Fun fact...that UNC team went on to win the National Championship.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: jsglow on January 30, 2019, 09:43:48 PM
I've watched Butler a fair amount this year. We're a significantly better team. But you still have to go into Hinkle and perform.  We did.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: LloydsLegs on January 30, 2019, 09:49:16 PM
Fun fact...that UNC team went on to win the National Championship.

Brew...
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2019, 09:54:33 PM
++ Interesting that the Hinkle Mystique works best when Butler ... I don't know ... actually has a good team?

++ I was pretty surprised Butler was favored and had little doubt we'd win. The whole "Marquette hasn't won there since 1990" really meant nothing. Different players, different teams, different times. We were obviously much better than them going in, and it wasn't close. If only I had ignored my "never bet MU games" credo!

++ The way Markus drove around them all night it reminded me of the way opposing stars abused our defense in recent seasons. Very little resistance. Butler's just not athletic enough.

++ Markus and Sam were the best two players on the court by a mile ... and yet we played well when both were on the bench with foul trouble. Very nice work by JCS and BB.

++ Markus ... wow ... a few more of these and start engraving the BE POY trophy. (Or maybe just start engraving it now.)

++ I was amused by the lengthy conversation between Brando and Raf about how much Butler missed Martin. The first time they talked about it, I had to stop and think, "Wait. Is he hurt? Did he leave early for the NBA? Did he transfer?" Then I realized, no, he just used up his eligibility, which happens with every senior at every program in the country. (Except Otule and Eschmeyer - ha!) I mean ... we miss Butch Lee and Dwyane Wade and Jae Crowder. Does no good to talk about 'em now.

++ For a little while there, everybody EXCEPT Theo seemed to be getting in foul trouble.

++ One of Morrow's best games. Totally held the fort defensively. Didn't need Matt tonight, and Wojo knew it. I like the way Wojo will give a rotation player opportunities to redeem himself after a poor game.

++ Baldwin only outscored Sacar 16-14, showing again how valuable and unsung our guy is. Sacar takes on the opponent's best perimeter player most games, does a darn good job, and sometimes, as a lovely bonus, puts up some nice offensive numbers himself. He's an outstanding complement to our H-Bombs.

++ We needed a little O from Sacar tonight, as Joey had one of his poorer games. He's not only a freshman, he's actually human.

++ A few too many unforced turnovers; against a better team, those would have hurt. Not quite as concerned about the defensive rebounding -- Butler had a lot of chances to get defensive boards, and the refs were letting rebounders crash pretty hard on both teams.

++ Theo demonstrated how even a guy who finishes with zero points can have a big impact on a basketball game.

++ Another well-coached game. Although it's relatively easy to out-coach the opponent when you have far better players, Wojo is responsible for those, too. Hilarious, in retrospect, to read the early-season, Wojo-bashing threads that tower bumped. Aside from Wright, I wouldn't trade Wojo for any other coach in our league.

++ I'm thinking that there's not much chance Nova will lose at home to either GT or Creighton before they come to Milwaukee. Guess our guys will have to take care of business themselves on Feb. 9! This is gonna be the best, biggest National Marquette Day in many, many years.

++ Of course, gotta avenge StJ loss first. (That's for you, wades!)
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Its DJOver on January 30, 2019, 10:04:16 PM
If you need a little entertainment head over to the Butler board.

https://butlerhoops.com/forum/index.php?forums/butler-basketball.5/

They're having a "4 to 5 years to judge" conversation, and a "our coach doesn't say anything in the televised huddles" conversation.  It's like clicking into a time machine.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: wadesworld on January 30, 2019, 10:11:37 PM
++ Interesting that the Hinkle Mystique works best when Butler ... I don't know ... actually has a good team?

++ I was pretty surprised Butler was favored and had little doubt we'd win. The whole "Marquette hasn't won there since 1990" really meant nothing. Different players, different teams, different times. We were obviously much better than them going in, and it wasn't close. If only I had ignored my "never bet MU games" credo!

++ The way Markus drove around them all night it reminded me of the way opposing stars abused our defense in recent seasons. Very little resistance. Butler's just not athletic enough.

++ Markus and Sam were the best two players on the court by a mile ... and yet we played well when both were on the bench with foul trouble. Very nice work by JCS and BB.

++ Markus ... wow ... a few more of these and start engraving the BE POY trophy. (Or maybe just start engraving it now.)

++ I was amused by the lengthy conversation between Brando and Raf about how much Butler missed Martin. The first time they talked about it, I had to stop and think, "Wait. Is he hurt? Did he leave early for the NBA? Did he transfer?" Then I realized, no, he just used up his eligibility, which happens with every senior at every program in the country. (Except Otule and Eschmeyer - ha!) I mean ... we miss Butch Lee and Dwyane Wade and Jae Crowder. Does no good to talk about 'em now.

++ For a little while there, everybody EXCEPT Theo seemed to be getting in foul trouble.

++ One of Morrow's best games. Totally held the fort defensively. Didn't need Matt tonight, and Wojo knew it. I like the way Wojo will give a rotation player opportunities to redeem himself after a poor game.

++ Baldwin only outscored Sacar 16-14, showing again how valuable and unsung our guy is. Sacar takes on the opponent's best perimeter player most games, does a darn good job, and sometimes, as a lovely bonus, puts up some nice offensive numbers himself. He's an outstanding complement to our H-Bombs.

++ We needed a little O from Sacar tonight, as Joey had one of his poorer games. He's not only a freshman, he's actually human.

++ A few too many unforced turnovers; against a better team, those would have hurt. Not quite as concerned about the defensive rebounding -- Butler had a lot of chances to get defensive boards, and the refs were letting rebounders crash pretty hard on both teams.

++ Theo demonstrated how even a guy who finishes with zero points can have a big impact on a basketball game.

++ Another well-coached game. Although it's relatively easy to out-coach the opponent when you have far better players, Wojo is responsible for those, too. Hilarious, in retrospect, to read the early-season, Wojo-bashing threads that tower bumped. Aside from Wright, I wouldn't trade Wojo for any other coach in our league.

++ I'm thinking that there's not much chance Nova will lose at home to either GT or Creighton before they come to Milwaukee. Guess our guys will have to take care of business themselves on Feb. 9! This is gonna be the best, biggest National Marquette Day in many, many years.

++ Of course, gotta avenge StJ loss first. (That's for you, wades!)

Sheesh! You need to find some things to do with your retired time!
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: jsglow on January 30, 2019, 10:17:39 PM
Texted chick. As I got in the car to head over to Red Rock (where we were the signature game btw), Gooch at KOMP Rock played Thunderstruck. Cranked it. I knew it was over. #mubb #science #donedeal
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2019, 10:18:06 PM
Sheesh! You need to find some things to do with your retired time!

I'm busier as a retired guy than I was as a working stiff. Today ... coached practice, wrote a financial article, walked the dog, went grocery shopping, made dinner for my Sugar Mama and watched the MU game. Oh, and wrote this.

Like Satchel Paige said: "Don't look back; something might be gaining on you"!
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 30, 2019, 10:52:33 PM
https://twitter.com/mubbnation/status/1090810584541683713?s=21

Everyone is watching the bench’s reaction to the step back three but watch Wojo’s reaction in this GIF.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Herman Cain on January 30, 2019, 10:54:40 PM
I'm busier as a retired guy than I was as a working stiff. Today ... coached practice, wrote a financial article, walked the dog, went grocery shopping, made dinner for my Sugar Mama and watched the MU game. Oh, and wrote this.

Like Satchel Paige said: "Don't look back; something might be gaining on you"!
You should chasing the Missus around the kitchen table with all that free time.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2019, 11:03:17 PM
You should chasing the Missus around the kitchen table with all that free time.

Maybe she chases me.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: barfolomew on January 30, 2019, 11:53:02 PM
I'm a bit surprised at everyone ragging on the defensive rebounding.
I realize that 2nd half was not as good as the 1st, but we secured 32 defensive rebounds in the game. We allowed Butler 13 offensive rebounds. That's not too shabby.

If anything, it's the offensive rebounding that was subpar.

Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 30, 2019, 11:59:16 PM
I'm a bit surprised at everyone ragging on the defensive rebounding.
I realize that 2nd half was not as good as the 1st, but we secured 32 defensive rebounds in the game. We allowed Butler 13 offensive rebounds. That's not too shabby.

If anything, it's the offensive rebounding that was subpar.

It was really poor in second half tho. A lot of fighting for balls and letting it go to the 1 butler guy

But yeah in the 1H it was great
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: 1SE on January 31, 2019, 03:12:07 AM
Great for Marquette basketball to be fun again. Stayed up late for the game last night for a 3 continent, 4 time zone group WhatsApp game watch party. Wouldn’t have done that for the team last year. Thanks Wojo.

Markus was definitely STOG, but was really excited about Sacar’s game last night. Took charge in the 1st half with some nice drives and finishes  when nothing was falling, hit that lovely 3 in corner. With a reliable 4th scoring option I really like where this team is at.

Ed and Joe also had perfect role games last night - did what they were supposed to, gave 10-15 solid minutes. Markus needed that blow in the 1st half - I think he had scored like 2pts in the first 8 minutes? After that he came out in video game mode. Great that Wojo can still be confident enough in JC to
sit his star in the 1st half on the road in a tough game.

Cain. What a puzzle. And it wasn’t even like BB played particularly well. I don’t know what’s going on but I hope he can get it turned around and still make a meaningful contribution this season because at some point I think we’ll want another 6’7” pogo stick who can hit the open corner 3. Don’t want to beat the horse, but if he keeps drawing DNPs hard to see what keeps him around for next year.

Barring an unthinkable collapse this season I am fully and totally on the Wojo wagon. Thrilled that I was wrong even though I would have liked to be here sooner. Even if for some reason we flame out in the NCAA (madness happens) we’ve checked all the boxes. Would love to win out at the FF, take the BE crown and make an NCAA run but that would really all be icing on what is already a great season.

Next challenge is can we sustain - not only next year but beyond. Am optimistic.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 31, 2019, 03:15:40 AM
Great for Marquette basketball to be fun again. Stayed up late for the game last night for a 3 continent, 4 time zone group WhatsApp game watch party. Wouldn’t have done that for the team last year. Thanks Wojo.

Markus was definitely STOG, but was really excited about Sacar’s game last night. Took charge in the 1st half with some nice drives and finishes  when nothing was falling, hit that lovely 3 in corner. With a reliable 4th scoring option I really like where this team was at.

Ed and Joe also had perfect role games last night - did what they were supposed to, have 10-15 solid minutes. Markus needed that blow in the 1st half - I think he had scored like 2pts in the first 8 minutes? After that he came out in video game mode. Great that Wojo can still be confident enough in JC to
sit his star in the 1st half on the road in a tough game.

Cain. What a puzzle. And it wasn’t even like BB played particularly well. I don’t know what’s going on but O hope he can get it turned around and still make a meaningful contribution this season because at some point I think we’ll want another 6’7” pogo stick who can hit the open corner 3. Don’t want to beat the horse, but if he keeps drawing DNPs hard to see what keeps him around for next year.

Barring an unthinkable collapse this season I am fully and totally on the Wojo wagon. Even if for some reason we flame out in the NCAA (madness happens) we’ve checked all the boxes. Would love to win out at the FF, take the BE crown and make an NCAA run but that would really all be icing on what is already a great season.

The trick is to go to sleep at 9:30, wake up at 1:30, watch the game and go back to sleep. Done it for almost every game so far.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: 1SE on January 31, 2019, 04:28:45 AM
The trick is to go to sleep at 9:30, wake up at 1:30, watch the game and go back to sleep. Done it for almost every game so far.

That's a thought - will certainly do that for any late tourney games!
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 31, 2019, 05:33:01 AM
Your such a (shortened Richard),   Marquette wins, it must be because the other team sucks!  NO!  These guys are good!  Maybe we made then look bad?  Oh of course not, “Wojo sucks.”    Glad your not on my team in any way!

Haha horrible take.  Been nothing but complimentary of Wojo.  Read my posts in the after IU game thread from November.  Nothing short of patience and compliments for WoJo and the team while many in the thread were losing their minds.  Even a dim wit should be able to understand that remarking on the state of the other team is not a knock on your own. 
FYI, DJOver says the same thing in a post right next to mine. 
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 31, 2019, 05:37:36 AM
Butler was a missed three point shot vs Purdue to be in the Sweet 16 last season.

Yes and then lost all their good players
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 31, 2019, 05:42:59 AM
It was really poor in second half tho. A lot of fighting for balls and letting it go to the 1 butler guy

But yeah in the 1H it was great

This
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: 1SE on January 31, 2019, 05:58:29 AM
Yes and then lost all their good players

Right - I meaning winning in a place where we haven't won since the USSR was still standing is huge - but this Butler team isn't great. If half the wide-open looks they clanked had dropped it would have been a pretty tight game.

That said we did what we were supposed to do and then some.

Two big tests coming up - if we win those I think we can start realistically hoping for a 2 seed.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 31, 2019, 06:07:51 AM
Right - I meaning winning in a place where we haven't won since the USSR was still standing is huge - but this Butler team isn't great. If half the wide-open looks they clanked had dropped it would have been a pretty tight game.

That said we did what we were supposed to do and then some.

Two big tests coming up - if we win those I think we can start realistically hoping for a 2 seed.

The whole 1990 got annoying, gimme a fn break it was 5 games, 5 crapty games with me there for 3 of them including the 18 point blown lead.  But its not like we have been in the same conference, as it alluded to.  In fact, Butler was in  horizon league for much of that, and they looked like a Horizon league team last night.  Hope im wrong but always felt letting Butler in might end up a mistake.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: warriorchick on January 31, 2019, 06:11:20 AM

Raff and Brando have total man-crushes on Markus. Completely effusive in their praise.

They were chuckling every time he hit a shot.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 31, 2019, 06:59:36 AM
Cain. What a puzzle. And it wasn’t even like BB played particularly well. I don’t know what’s going on but I hope he can get it turned around and still make a meaningful contribution this season because at some point I think we’ll want another 6’7” pogo stick who can hit the open corner 3. Don’t want to beat the horse, but if he keeps drawing DNPs hard to see what keeps him around for next year.


I don't *know* what is going on, but I have a good guess.  Bailey is a better defender and his offensive downside isn't all that great compared to Jamal.  We have five players who can hit that corner 3 better than Jamal can right now.

He may play himself back into the rotation, but if he doesn't I'm OK with that.  And if he leaves, he leaves.  Why worry?
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on January 31, 2019, 07:26:50 AM
The whole 1990 got annoying, gimme a fn break it was 5 games, 5 crapty games with me there for 3 of them including the 18 point blown lead.  But its not like we have been in the same conference, as it alluded to.  In fact, Butler was in  horizon league for much of that, and they looked like a Horizon league team last night.  Hope im wrong but always felt letting Butler in might end up a mistake.

That board is pretty remarkable. It’s like they are oblivious to the blatantly obvious talent gap between MU and BU this year. They seem to want Lavall fired because he is not turning Holtzmann’s 3* leftovers into All Big East players. Lavall will get it together down there once he has his own players.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: CTWarrior on January 31, 2019, 07:28:25 AM
D boards in the second half the only real disappointment after the early TOs.

The defense is niiiiiiiiice tho
Butler missed a ton of easy and/or wide open shots in the first 10 minutes of the game.  I thought the first shot defense was better after that  (although defensive rebounding was poor) even though they started scoring some.

I don't know if Butler is really any good, but they were not good last night. 

A lot of credit to Wojo overall for our defense.  It is better than it ought to be, as Howard is very small and the Hausers not blessed with quickness, but we do a good job anyway. 
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: tower912 on January 31, 2019, 07:29:41 AM
That board is pretty remarkable. It’s like they are oblivious to the blatantly obvious talent gap between MU and BU this year. They seem to want Lavall fired because he is not turning Holtzmann’s 3* leftovers into All Big East players. Lavall will get it together down there once he has his own players.
So a whole lot of guys who sound like ners.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: MU82 on January 31, 2019, 07:39:53 AM
Great for Marquette basketball to be fun again. Stayed up late for the game last night for a 3 continent, 4 time zone group WhatsApp game watch party. Wouldn’t have done that for the team last year. Thanks Wojo.

Markus was definitely STOG, but was really excited about Sacar’s game last night. Took charge in the 1st half with some nice drives and finishes  when nothing was falling, hit that lovely 3 in corner. With a reliable 4th scoring option I really like where this team is at.

Ed and Joe also had perfect role games last night - did what they were supposed to, gave 10-15 solid minutes. Markus needed that blow in the 1st half - I think he had scored like 2pts in the first 8 minutes? After that he came out in video game mode. Great that Wojo can still be confident enough in JC to
sit his star in the 1st half on the road in a tough game.

Cain. What a puzzle. And it wasn’t even like BB played particularly well. I don’t know what’s going on but I hope he can get it turned around and still make a meaningful contribution this season because at some point I think we’ll want another 6’7” pogo stick who can hit the open corner 3. Don’t want to beat the horse, but if he keeps drawing DNPs hard to see what keeps him around for next year.

Barring an unthinkable collapse this season I am fully and totally on the Wojo wagon. Thrilled that I was wrong even though I would have liked to be here sooner. Even if for some reason we flame out in the NCAA (madness happens) we’ve checked all the boxes. Would love to win out at the FF, take the BE crown and make an NCAA run but that would really all be icing on what is already a great season.

Next challenge is can we sustain - not only next year but beyond. Am optimistic.

Good, positive, realistic post. Appreciate you owning up to prematurely judging Wojo.

Only slight nit is that you shouldn't assume that just because BB isn't scoring it means he's playing poorly. On this team, his job is to play D, hustle, grab a couple of rebounds, take care of the ball. Very similar role to Sacar's -- do the (not so) little things, scoring is a bonus. My only complaint about BB last night is that he took an early 3 that was completely unnecessary; he could have settled for that shot 20 seconds later if necessary.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 31, 2019, 07:43:33 AM
Don’t want to beat the horse, but if he keeps drawing DNPs hard to see what keeps him around for next year.

Playing for a national championship contender?
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: willie warrior on January 31, 2019, 07:44:25 AM
Right - I meaning winning in a place where we haven't won since the USSR was still standing is huge - but this Butler team isn't great. If half the wide-open looks they clanked had dropped it would have been a pretty tight game.

That said we did what we were supposed to do and then some.

Two big tests coming up - if we win those I think we can start realistically hoping for a 2 seed.
A #2 seed would be sensational, but we should not stop there. If we can beat Nova once and say go 6-3 for rest of regular season, a 2 seed should be a given. Win the Beast tourney, then we should demand a 1 seed.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: warriorchick on January 31, 2019, 07:45:52 AM
A #2 seed would be sensational, but we should not stop there. If we can beat Nova once and say go 6-3 for rest of regular season, a 2 seed should be a given. Win the Beast tourney, then we should demand a 1 seed.

Or else what?   ;D
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: tower912 on January 31, 2019, 07:46:05 AM
We should demand a 1 seed.   I didn't know that the tournament committee listened to demands.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 31, 2019, 07:49:20 AM
That board is pretty remarkable. It’s like they are oblivious to the blatantly obvious talent gap between MU and BU this year. They seem to want Lavall fired because he is not turning Holtzmann’s 3* leftovers into All Big East players. Lavall will get it together down there once he has his own players.

I always poke my head into opposing fan boards right before and after games just to see what they are saying. Holy crap I thought Scoop was bad. Jordan gets them to the Round of 32 in his first year and has them at least in the bubble conversation and it seems like 75% of that board doesn't just want him fired, they want him jailed and his firstborn child in compensation. If they had to go through our first two years of the rebuild they would have burned Hinkle to the ground.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 31, 2019, 07:52:09 AM
Or else what?   ;D


Go to the NIT!!!
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: lawdog77 on January 31, 2019, 08:08:53 AM
I always poke my head into opposing fan boards right before and after games just to see what they are saying. Holy crap I thought Scoop was bad. Jordan gets them to the Round of 32 in his first year and has them at least in the bubble conversation and it seems like 75% of that board doesn't just want him fired, they want him jailed and his firstborn child in compensation. If they had to go through our first two years of the rebuild they would have burned Hinkle to the ground.
Brad Stevens isn't walking through that door.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: wadesworld on January 31, 2019, 08:26:08 AM
The way Jamal was dancing around on the bench last night, I'd be more surprised if he left this offseason than if he redshirted.  I could see Wojo pointing to Sacar as an example, explaining that nobody that is getting his potential minutes right now is leaving next season so he might be in the same situation, and Jamal buying into the program and getting back into the same graduating class as his buddy Greg.  The kid's never pouted and has been ready when he's been called upon.  He seems to love the team.

Guess we'll see.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: willie warrior on January 31, 2019, 08:27:19 AM
Or else what?   ;D
I guess you did not realize that "demand"  was hyperbole. We could always then pull an Al McGuire and go to the NIT

Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: willie warrior on January 31, 2019, 08:29:45 AM
We should demand a 1 seed.   I didn't know that the tournament committee listened to demands.
Of course they do
 Whatever coach K wants.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: CTWarrior on January 31, 2019, 08:31:22 AM
I guess you did not realize that "demand"  was hyperbole. We could always then pull an Al McGuire and go to the NIT

I know you're kidding, but actually we can't.  After what McGuire did, NCAA instituted a rule that if you turn down an NCAA bid, you cannot go to any other postseason tournament.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 31, 2019, 08:41:45 AM
The way Jamal was dancing around on the bench last night, I'd be more surprised if he left this offseason than if he redshirted.  I could see Wojo pointing to Sacar as an example, explaining that nobody that is getting his potential minutes right now is leaving next season so he might be in the same situation, and Jamal buying into the program and getting back into the same graduating class as his buddy Greg.  The kid's never pouted and has been ready when he's been called upon.  He seems to love the team.

Guess we'll see.


I don't think reading body language means much. He could very well be happy because he is part of a team that is doing great and he loves his teammates, but still feels that it might be better for his development if he leaves.

But you are right.  We will see.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: NickelDimer on January 31, 2019, 08:47:49 AM
https://twitter.com/mubbnation/status/1090810584541683713?s=21

Everyone is watching the bench’s reaction to the step back three but watch Wojo’s reaction in this GIF.
Haha that’s awesome. Sometimes even as a coach you watch like a fan
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: IrwinFletcher on January 31, 2019, 09:11:44 AM
https://twitter.com/mubbnation/status/1090810584541683713?s=21

Everyone is watching the bench’s reaction to the step back three but watch Wojo’s reaction in this GIF.

I was at the game last night and think I remember watching Wojo after the play, though I can’t be sure if this was the shot or not.  But I believe that MH had just committed a stupid TO.  So after he hits this shot and you see Wojo’s short reaction, Wojo turned around to the scorers table and took a sip of his water and it was almost like he was thinking “how can I yell at MH for the TO when next trip down he makes that play”.  Was funny to watch.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: The Thing on January 31, 2019, 09:20:12 AM

Go to the NIT!!!

This made me laugh!
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: willie warrior on January 31, 2019, 09:34:56 AM
I know you're kidding, but actually we can't.  After what McGuire did, NCAA instituted a rule that if you turn down an NCAA bid, you cannot go to any other postseason tournament.
Good ole NCAA. Always protecting their ass.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 31, 2019, 09:51:49 AM
With Cain it will probably come down to what playing time he can be promised going forward in a couple years.

If he transfers he’s gotta sit a year anyways. So if Wojo tells him he sees good minutes for him in 2 years. He may just redshirt next year and stay put at a program heading in a good direction.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Nukem2 on January 31, 2019, 09:53:05 AM
With Cain it will probably come down to what playing time he can be promised going forward in a couple years.

If he transfers he’s gotta sit a year anyways. So if Wojo tells him he sees good minutes for him in 2 years. He may just redshirt next year and stay put at a program heading in a good direction.
Would also keep him in the same class with his buddy Greg.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 31, 2019, 10:12:33 AM

I don't *know* what is going on, but I have a good guess.  Bailey is a better defender and his offensive downside isn't all that great compared to Jamal.  We have five players who can hit that corner 3 better than Jamal can right now.

He may play himself back into the rotation, but if he doesn't I'm OK with that.  And if he leaves, he leaves.  Why worry?

The last few times jamal has played he has literally turned the ball over every time he has touched it.  That is no exageration.  BBhas been far superior to Jamal over the last month and the playing time reflects that, nothing more nothing less. Playing time is earned not given
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 31, 2019, 10:18:21 AM
With Cain it will probably come down to what playing time he can be promised going forward in a couple years.

If he transfers he’s gotta sit a year anyways. So if Wojo tells him he sees good minutes for him in 2 years. He may just redshirt next year and stay put at a program heading in a good direction.

Agreed, however that is also based on Wojo believing he would be a major contributor in that year 5.  Not saying its the case but Wojo may look at it that in year 5 we would still have joey and BB and possibly others and that Wojo doesnt see the upside in Jamal to offer that 5th yr. and that the program would be better off not having him around for 5 yrs.  who knows we will see for sure tho.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: 1SE on January 31, 2019, 10:39:20 AM
Good, positive, realistic post. Appreciate you owning up to prematurely judging Wojo.

Only slight nit is that you shouldn't assume that just because BB isn't scoring it means he's playing poorly. On this team, his job is to play D, hustle, grab a couple of rebounds, take care of the ball. Very similar role to Sacar's -- do the (not so) little things, scoring is a bonus. My only complaint about BB last night is that he took an early 3 that was completely unnecessary; he could have settled for that shot 20 seconds later if necessary.

Said I didn't think played particularly well, not that he was playing poorly. Mainly just in that watching the game he didn't make a positive impression with me at any point and I feel like maybe I noticed a missed reb or TO. His D was probably fine (I wasn't really keyed in on him), but Butler's shooting made our D look a bit better than it was. I think BB is a solid player, I think it's interesting we didn't see any Cain, especially when our O was struggling more than our D in the 1st half.

Happy to own up that I was wrong on Wojo - we've definitely seen flashes of his potential over the past 4 years, only to find out a game or two later it was a false "turning the corner". All seems to be clicking this year and that consistency is the most impressive of all.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: 1SE on January 31, 2019, 10:47:18 AM
Agreed, however that is also based on Wojo believing he would be a major contributor in that year 5.  Not saying its the case but Wojo may look at it that in year 5 we would still have joey and BB and possibly others and that Wojo doesnt see the upside in Jamal to offer that 5th yr. and that the program would be better off not having him around for 5 yrs.  who knows we will see for sure tho.

A red-shirt probably wouldn't be a bad idea - especially if he can really work on putting 20lbs of muscle on the frame during the year. With Greg would give us some nice veteran players in 2020-2021. Also nice to have injury insurance.

That said, if we have major success this year and next always a danger of being recruited over. Might be tempting to go the Sandy Cohen route and rack up a few seasons as BMOC at some mid-major. But I'm sure he's receiving better advice and sounding boards than us here...

Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 31, 2019, 10:54:16 AM
A red-shirt probably wouldn't be a bad idea - especially if he can really work on putting 20lbs of muscle on the frame during the year. With Greg would give us some nice veteran players in 2020-2021. Also nice to have injury insurance.

That said, if we have major success this year and next always a danger of being recruited over. Might be tempting to go the Sandy Cohen route and rack up a few seasons as BMOC at some mid-major. But I'm sure he's receiving better advice and sounding boards than us here...

Doubtful
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 31, 2019, 10:57:47 AM
Doubtful

Every advisor and sounding board is better than scoop
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Loose Cannon on January 31, 2019, 11:17:12 AM
With Cain it will probably come down to what playing time he can be promised going forward in a couple years.

If he transfers he’s gotta sit a year anyways. So if Wojo tells him he sees g ood minutes for him in 2 years. He may just redshirt next year and stay put at a program heading in a good direction.

Its my understanding that Wojo doesn't promise minutes.  Might disrupt other players. 
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Norm on January 31, 2019, 01:14:37 PM
The last few times jamal has played he has literally turned the ball over every time he has touched it.  That is no exageration.  BBhas been far superior to Jamal over the last month and the playing time reflects that, nothing more nothing less. Playing time is earned not given

Cain has played 3 minutes in the last 4 games - with no turnovers.

He played 4 minutes against Georgetown with an assist and a steal - no turnovers.

Overall, he's played the fewest minutes of any scholarship player (not counting Ike and Greg who are red shirting) in Big East play - 39 minutes. He's 2-4 from the field, 0-1 from 3, for 4 points. He has 8 rebounds - 4 offense, 4 defense. He has 2 assists, 2 steals and 4 turnovers (3 in one game).

By comparison, Bailey, who Cain seems to be losing time to, has played 96 minutes in BE play. Bailey is 8 for 20 (40%) from the field, including 2-11 from 3 (18%), 2-3 from the line, for 20 points. Bailey has 9 rebounds - 1 offense and 8 defense. He has no assists, 1 turnover, 3 steals and 4 blocks (all blocks came in the Georgetown game).

The Georgetown game is the big demarcation between the two, with Cain buried on the bench except for 3 minutes since, with Bailey getting 10, 5, 18 and 12 in the following 4 games.

Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Nukem2 on January 31, 2019, 01:20:26 PM
Cain has played 3 minutes in the last 4 games - with no turnovers.

He played 4 minutes against Georgetown with an assist and a steal - no turnovers.

Overall, he's played the fewest minutes of any scholarship player (not counting Ike and Greg who are red shirting) in Big East play - 39 minutes. He's 2-4 from the field, 0-1 from 3, lfor 4 points. He has 8 rebounds - 4 offense, 4 defense. He has 2 assists, 2 steals and 4 turnovers (3 in one game).

By comparison, Bailey, who Cain seems to be losing time to, has played 96 minutes in BE play. Bailey is 8 for 20 (40%) from the field, including 2-11 from 3 (18%), 2-3 from the line, for 20 points. Bailey has 9 rebounds - 1 offense and 8 defense. He has no assists, 1 turnover, 3 steals and 4 blocks (all blocks came in the Georgetown game).

The Georgetown game is the big demarcation between the two, with Cain buried on the bench except for 3 minutes since, with Bailey getting 10, 5, 18 and 12 in the following 4 games.
Bailey also gave MU a big lift in the Xavier game last Saturday.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Norm on January 31, 2019, 01:26:31 PM
Bailey also gave MU a big lift in the Xavier game last Saturday.

Yep, especially with those 2 free throws. Played 18 minutes that game.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: wadesworld on January 31, 2019, 01:28:50 PM
Bailey uses his length better defensively.  I don't think he's outstanding at staying in front of his guy, but he's great at recovering and making any shot attempt difficult/contested.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 31, 2019, 01:29:48 PM
Bailey uses his length better defensively.  I don't think he's outstanding at staying in front of his guy, but he's great at recovering and making any shot attempt difficult/contested.

I think he is better at rotating off the ball as well.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 31, 2019, 01:42:57 PM
Bb got killed on a back doir cut where he was flat footed and ball watching last night.  However,  Bb has been much better defensively thatn cain and that is why they come in to reat a starter and play defense.
neither jamal or Bb come in for offense but i think Bb is mich more calm, a better passer, and seems to be in the offensive flow better.  Jamal seems to be panicing with his loss of confidence.  Confidence is a fickle bitch
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Norm on January 31, 2019, 02:00:49 PM
Bb got killed on a back doir cut where he was flat footed and ball watching last night.  However,  Bb has been much better defensively thatn cain and that is why they come in to reat a starter and play defense.
neither jamal or Bb come in for offense but i think Bb is mich more calm, a better passer, and seems to be in the offensive flow better.  Jamal seems to be panicing with his loss of confidence.  Confidence is a fickle bitch

I don't disagree with much of what you say, but Jamal has gotten barely any chances to actually do anything on the court recently. 7 minutes played total in the last 5 games with 3 DNPs. Hope he can come off the bench and contribute when called upon, a la Heldt against Xavier, but the longer he goes without getting any meaningful playing time the less likely he'l be able to pull a Heldt.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 31, 2019, 03:28:16 PM
Thats the toughness of being a reserve.  Bust tour ass in oractice to be ready to play.  Stay fully engaged and ready to play at a moments notice in a game.  If ur not teady to hit 100 mph on the first trip down the court your coming out n someone else is getting their chance.  Life of a reserve in hoops.  Not always easy eapecially for the guy that says he needs a few trips to get warmed up.  In a few trips the starter is about ready to go back in. Didnt no one say it was easy.  It hink BB handles this a little better than Jamal does.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Marcus92 on January 31, 2019, 03:52:00 PM
With Cain it will probably come down to what playing time he can be promised going forward in a couple years.

Wojo's been very upfront publicly multiple times on this point: you have to earn your playing time.

He's going to put in the players who give the team the best chance to win. Part of that's based on practice, part of it on how they're performing in games. If that means only going 3 deep off the bench, so be it. Everyone on the team knows that going in.

I see a lot of potential in Jamal. Long, quick, athletic, good rebounder and defender. His shot hasn't been falling, and he's looked hesitant on the court. Right now, Brendan has the edge spelling Sacar and Sam. That doesn't mean Jamal's never going to play for MU again. We may still see him step up this season. I hope he can pull it together.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 31, 2019, 03:57:08 PM
Wojo's been very upfront publicly multiple times on this point: you have to earn your playing time.

He's going to put in the players who give the team the best chance to win. Part of that's based on practice, part of it on how they're performing in games. If that means only going 3 deep off the bench, so be it. Everyone on the team knows that going in.

I see a lot of potential in Jamal. Long, quick, athletic, good rebounder and defender. His shot's not falling right now, and he's looked hesitant on the court. Right now, Brendan has the edge spelling Sacar and Sam. That doesn't mean Jamal's never going to play for MU again. We may still see him step up this season. I hope he can pull it together.

None of that is really relevant to the conversation that would take place.

It’s not a promise guranteeing 30 mpg in 2020/2021 season.

But they absolutely would map out where he stands in the future plans. If Wojo gives him enough assurance that once Markus/Sam/Sacar leave he’s got an opening.

But it could end up being a case that McEwen, Greg and Torrence become the future along with whatever else we add.

It’s less a promise of exact minutes, but a promise based on Wojos vision going forward
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Marcus92 on January 31, 2019, 04:01:03 PM
None of that is really relevant to the conversation that would take place.

It’s not a promise guranteeing 30 mpg in 2020/2021 season.

But they absolutely would map out where he stands in the future plans. If Wojo gives him enough assurance that once Markus/Sam/Sacar leave he’s got an opening.

But it could end up being a case that McEwen, Greg and Torrence become the future along with whatever else we add.

It’s less a promise of exact minutes, but a promise based on Wojos vision going forward.

Gotcha. "Promise" is what threw me off. I'm not in the locker room. But from my understanding, Wojo and the coaching staff definitely talk to the players about their roles on the team, both now and going forward. Agree with you 100% there.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 31, 2019, 04:26:51 PM
Gotcha. "Promise" is what threw me off. I'm not in the locker room. But from my understanding, Wojo and the coaching staff definitely talk to the players about their roles on the team, both now and going forward. Agree with you 100% there.

Yeah I coulda worded it a little better.

My basic point was just that Jamal has to sit if he transfers. So he may decide to sit her instead if it’s communicated he’s got a solid shot to get PT as a 4th year Junior when of our All Timers are gone
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: barfolomew on January 31, 2019, 10:44:23 PM
Question:

If a three falls in a fieldhouse, but no one sees it, does it make a sound?

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3rbgtFuUIzpj97Iwci/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: MU82 on February 01, 2019, 07:15:23 AM
Question:

If a three falls in a fieldhouse, but no one sees it, does it make a sound?

The answer is: "Yes."

My wife hates when the camera pans to the crowd or the coaches, even if the only "action" she's missing is the PG dribbling near midcourt. So she was really pi$$ed when the camera missed JCS shooting that 3.

Here is our actual conversation in the seconds after the shot ...

Mrs. 82: "$hit! What the hell just happened? Charcuterie just shot, right?"

Me: "Yes he did. It went in."

Mrs. 82: "How do you know?"

Me: "I heard the net snap. It was a swish."

BTW, as you can see, Mrs. 82 has a different nickname for JCS than I do.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: warriorchick on February 01, 2019, 07:18:22 AM
The answer is: "Yes."

My wife hates when the camera pans to the crowd or the coaches, even if the only "action" she's missing is the PG dribbling near midcourt. So she was really pi$$ed when the camera missed JCS shooting that 3.

Here is our actual conversation in the seconds after the shot ...

Mrs. 82: "$hit! What the hell just happened? Charcuterie just shot, right?"

Me: "Yes he did. It went in."

Mrs. 82: "How do you know?"

Me: "I heard the net snap. It was a swish."

BTW, as you can see, Mrs. 82 has a different nickname for JCS than I do.

They call him Charcuterie on Buckyville as well.

When the first syllable of your last name is pronounced "shart", it could be a lot worse.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: MU82 on February 01, 2019, 07:20:09 AM
They call him Charcuterie on Buckyville as well.

Really? That's funny. There are few guarantees in the world, but I am 100% certain that my wife has never, ever, ever, ever, ever seen a single post on Buckyville. In fact, I can say with certainty that she's never even heard of it.

But maybe if I tell her this, she'll stop calling him that.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 01, 2019, 08:20:39 AM
The answer is: "Yes."

My wife hates when the camera pans to the crowd or the coaches, even if the only "action" she's missing is the PG dribbling near midcourt. So she was really pi$$ed when the camera missed JCS shooting that 3.

Here is our actual conversation in the seconds after the shot ...

Mrs. 82: "$hit! What the hell just happened? Charcuterie just shot, right?"

Me: "Yes he did. It went in."

Mrs. 82: "How do you know?"

Me: "I heard the net snap. It was a swish."

BTW, as you can see, Mrs. 82 has a different nickname for JCS than I do.


I'm in 100% agreement with your wife.  The Fox production, with its odd camera angles and cut aways, drives me nuts.  Just show the game.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: CTWarrior on February 01, 2019, 08:26:47 AM

I'm in 100% agreement with your wife.  The Fox production, with its odd camera angles and cut aways, drives me nuts.  Just show the game.
I certainly noticed not seeing the hoop on Chartouney's 3, but I don't recall missing much important action on the FS1 broadcasts.  They seem fine to me, no better or worse than anyone else.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 01, 2019, 08:32:58 AM
I just don't like the corner camera angle that they insist on showing a couple times a game.  Maybe I don't notice it on other broadcasts since I'm zeroed in more on Marquette games. 
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 01, 2019, 08:33:06 AM
Question:

If a three falls in a fieldhouse, but no one sees it, does it make a sound?

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3rbgtFuUIzpj97Iwci/giphy.gif)

I was saying to myself to keep that camera shot, as he would have bricked the shot if it was a the correct camera angle.  ;D
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Marcus92 on February 01, 2019, 10:01:02 AM
I think TV producers/directors get bored with using the same shot for every play -- even though it's the best camera angle for viewers to see the action on the court. The second and third cameras should be reserved for capturing what's of secondary importance: huddles, substitutions, replays, reaction shots, inbounds, et cetera.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: barfolomew on February 01, 2019, 11:00:12 AM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3rbgtFuUIzpj97Iwci/giphy.gif)

I like how Baldwin looks over at him, like "that was NOT on my mother unnatural carnal knowledgeing scouting report"
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: Its DJOver on February 01, 2019, 11:02:54 AM
I like how Baldwin looks over at him, like "that was NOT on my mother unnatural carnal knowledgeing scouting report"

Bet Sacar hitting 2-3 from deep wan't there either.  If both of them are on, it just makes things easier for HHH, and makes us that much better.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: warriorchick on February 01, 2019, 11:08:47 AM
I like how Baldwin looks over at him, like "that was NOT on my mother unnatural carnal knowledgeing scouting report"

Check out Wojo's body language.  He almost looks a little pissed.
Title: Re: Hinkle mystique vanquished
Post by: harryp on February 01, 2019, 11:42:17 AM
No, I think that Villanova is the most important game(s)