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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on January 23, 2019, 09:47:50 PM

Title: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: tower912 on January 23, 2019, 09:47:50 PM
1.  Sacar must have been suffering from the jsonline jinx.    Brutal.
2.   Two straight games where the opponent's offensive rebounding, or the lack of boxing out by Marquette on the defensive rebounding, kept the opponent in the game.     Coincidentally, Ed looked small in both games.   
3.  And, about those turnovers.   Brutaller.   
4.  The only thing missing from this DePaul team is a history/culture of winning.   So close.   They came in and made Marquette play at their pace and really turned it into a grind.   No more sleeping on DePaul. 
5.  Apparently, Leitao read the ESPN article on how to stop Howard.   Tall guards.   In waves.   But Markus was looking to pass.   For better or for worse. 
6.   Another game that a year ago this team loses.  Locked down and frustrated Strus and Cain.   Winning with defense.   Phenomenal defense until the shot went up.   Sometimes the rebounding was good, sometimes it was abysmal. 
7.  In the first half, Jamal played good defense.   In the second, his presence was a signal for DePaul to attack him.   Why no Bailey in the second half? 
8.   FT's no matta.   But it sure is nice to hit a high percentage down the stretch.     
9.   Theo continues to improve.  A nearly complete game tonight.   Although, worst idea of the evening, Theo passing from the wing to Joey in the post.   Yeah, that was never going to end well.  Fumbled that late rebound off the free throw.   And I can see a 'hack-a-Theo' in the not too distant future. 
10.   They didn't show a good replay.   Did Joey get punched in the groin again?   We know Markus took a shot to the groin.   
11.  Another ugly win.    Which is infinitely better than an ugly loss.     Next.   

Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on January 23, 2019, 09:48:52 PM
Is Theo better know than Faisal was as a senior? Or at least close?
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: Bad_Reporter on January 23, 2019, 09:49:32 PM
12.  Markus was horrible with the ball tonight.  Any NBA talk should be put to rest for a while.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 23, 2019, 09:51:05 PM
Theo rules
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: Dish on January 23, 2019, 09:51:51 PM
Don't know what was tougher to enjoy tonight, the announcing or the officiating.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on January 23, 2019, 09:53:12 PM
Theo John might easily be the MIP in the Big East
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: wadesworld on January 23, 2019, 09:53:39 PM
Phew.

6 straight. Time to get 7, and 3 straight on the road. Biggest game of the season Saturday.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 23, 2019, 09:53:43 PM
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 23, 2019, 09:48:52 PM
Is Theo better know than Faisal was as a senior? Or at least close?

Definitely better on offense already. On D and the boards, it's awfully close.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: drewm88 on January 23, 2019, 09:53:54 PM
Quote from: tower912 on January 23, 2019, 09:47:50 PM

2.   Two straight games where the opponent's offensive rebounding, or the lack of boxing out by Marquette on the defensive rebounding, kept the opponent in the game.     Coincidentally, Ed looked small in both games.   


Thought this was good in the first half. Maybe 3 O boards for them? 2nd half was brutal.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: HammerScreen on January 23, 2019, 09:54:26 PM
It's nice being able to win ugly this year. Markus and Sam are the two most important players but who's 3: Theo or Joey? Think you could make a case for either
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: jesmu84 on January 23, 2019, 09:55:35 PM
Weird handshake between the coaches
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: AlumKCof93 on January 23, 2019, 09:56:32 PM
Yes, #2 for Joey. It was every bit as dirty as Davidsons.  I was surprised the refs didn't take a look at it. 
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: nyg on January 23, 2019, 09:58:35 PM
Theo stays on floor, no foul issues, MU much better. 
19 turnovers, 8 by Markus.  Believe the guys stepped on the line 4 times.  Only reason close game.
Sacar, get over it and move on.  Just a bad game. 
Cain on Markus, just like Simon from SJU, good defense.  But 15 for 15 from line, and 9 assists, good for Markus.

Wojo cut the substitution again in second half, just like last game. Theo no foul issues, no Morrow. Bailey, Cain and Joe C saw limited time. 

Protect the home. 
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: Daniel on January 23, 2019, 09:58:52 PM
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 23, 2019, 09:55:35 PM
Weird handshake between the coaches

I thought Wojo was dismissive of Leito who was trying to talk to Wojo.  Wonder what that was about
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 23, 2019, 09:59:13 PM
Chartouney was pretty good tonight should have gotten more of Sacars minutes
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: goldeneagle91114 on January 23, 2019, 10:00:09 PM
Quote from: Daniel on January 23, 2019, 09:58:52 PM
I thought Wojo was dismissive of Leito who was trying to talk to Wojo.  Wonder what that was about

Leito appeared to be yelling at a ref. Wojo stood there for a second, and then stated to walk by. That's when Leito stopped and walked after Wojo.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 23, 2019, 10:01:18 PM
surprisingly worth staying up to watch. Not because quality of play but kept me on edge. Let's get em this weekend 
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 23, 2019, 10:01:45 PM
We have shooters, a rim protector and play solid defense. We have only one glaring weakness - we're loose with the ball. Clean that up and this season will be magical.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: mug644 on January 23, 2019, 10:01:58 PM
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on January 23, 2019, 10:00:09 PM
Leito appeared to be yelling at a ref. Wojo stood there for a second, and then stated to walk by. That's when Leito stopped and walked after Wojo.

That's how I saw it.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: Archies Bat on January 23, 2019, 10:02:06 PM
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 23, 2019, 09:55:35 PM
Weird handshake between the coaches

It looked like Leitao was just about to shake Wojo's hand and then saw one of the refs and needed to say something.  Realized he had just dissed Wojo and looked like he apologized.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: Jockey on January 23, 2019, 10:03:06 PM
Quote from: tower912 on January 23, 2019, 09:47:50 PM
   
3.  And, about those turnovers.   Brutaller.   
 
5.  Apparently, Leitao read the ESPN article on how to stop Howard.   Tall guards.   In waves.   But Markus was looking to pass.   For better or for worse. 
 
11.  Another ugly win.    Which is infinitely better than an ugly loss.     Next.

3. Excellent use of the word "brutaller".

5. MH will see lots of taller guards on him.

11. Turnovers were ugly, but final 10 minutes of 1st half were about as well as we have played all year.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 23, 2019, 10:05:13 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 23, 2019, 10:01:45 PM
We have shooters, a rim protector and play solid defense. We have only one glaring weakness - we're loose with the ball. Clean that up and this season will be magical.
Incredibly weak at the 2g spot as well
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: MUMountin on January 23, 2019, 10:06:28 PM
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on January 23, 2019, 10:00:09 PM
Leito appeared to be yelling at a ref. Wojo stood there for a second, and then stated to walk by. That's when Leito stopped and walked after Wojo.

Yeah, Wojo looked peeved at Leitao and then decided to just blow him off, which finally made Leitao realize he was being a jackass.

I could imagine the two of them generally rubbing each other the wrong way.  If Depaul actually becomes consistently decent, could be the seeds of rekindling a good rivalry.  I'd rather loath a decent DePaul team than dread losing a headscratcher to them every year, to be honest.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 23, 2019, 10:07:44 PM
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 23, 2019, 10:05:13 PM
Incredibly weak at the 2g spot as well

Sacar sucked today. No matter how some may try and defend

But he came in average over 10 ppg he BE play while defending the other teams stud.

Far from an incredible weakness
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: T-Bone on January 23, 2019, 10:08:44 PM
Quote from: tower912 on January 23, 2019, 09:47:50 PM
1.  Sacar must have been suffering from the jsonline jinx.    Brutal.

6.   Another game that a year ago this team loses.  Locked down and frustrated Strus and Cain.   Winning with defense.   Phenomenal defense until the shot went up.   Sometimes the rebounding was good, sometimes it was abysmal. 
Was Sacar's game really that bad in total?  Offensively, it was tough.  I could feel his frustration 90 miles away.  Defensively though, not a single complaint.
4 Rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 1 TO; which goes along with a 0-9 shooting night...
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: jesmu84 on January 23, 2019, 10:08:57 PM
Weird game for Markus. Looked to pass the whole night. Very few outside shots attempted. Lots of TOs, but lots of assists
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: MUMountin on January 23, 2019, 10:13:47 PM
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 23, 2019, 10:08:57 PM
Weird game for Markus. Looked to pass the whole night. Very few outside shots attempted. Lots of TOs, but lots of assists

He doesn't look healthy to me yet.  Still seems stiff and moved a little weird at times.  Maybe affecting his shot so decided to be more of a decoy/distributer?
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: Jockey on January 23, 2019, 10:13:51 PM
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 23, 2019, 10:05:13 PM
Incredibly weak at the 2g spot as well

Yeah... I heard we have the worst player that has ever worn an MU jersey ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: skianth16 on January 23, 2019, 10:14:07 PM
Winning ugly is becoming the norm for these guys. And while it's great to be able to grid out wins, the only reason this one was close was our inability to take care of the ball. The winning mentality will help out big time come March, but I'd like to see the guys put together some high quality games to build on as we get deeper into conference play.

Sure, that's being a bit nit picky, but with a team this talented, we should have some big time wins at home where we click on all cylinders. I really thought we could do that tonight. I loved the effort tonight, especially from Theo, but playing this sloppy can't become a habit. Clean up a few things here and there, and in a few weeks, this team can be really scary.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: Marquette Gyros on January 23, 2019, 10:17:23 PM
Quote from: MUMountin on January 23, 2019, 10:13:47 PM
He doesn't look healthy to me yet.  Still seems stiff and moved a little weird at times.  Maybe affecting his shot so decided to be more of a decoy/distributer?

The knee to the nuts affected him pretty much the rest of the game. Easy to see the wince on TV
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: LloydsLegs on January 23, 2019, 10:19:17 PM
Quote from: Daniel on January 23, 2019, 09:58:52 PM
I thought Wojo was dismissive of Leito who was trying to talk to Wojo.  Wonder what that was about

I thought Leito was talking over Wojo -maybe to bark at an official a bit.  Then he didn't want Wojo to be offended by what could be considered a slight( as I am about to shake your hand I ignore you for a moment to complain that we lost bc of the officials) , and then he came in tight with Wojo to make sure he knew that he respected him and the team. (How is that for interpretation? I give myself an A for creativity)
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: LloydsLegs on January 23, 2019, 10:19:56 PM
Quote from: MUMountin on January 23, 2019, 10:13:47 PM
He doesn't look healthy to me yet.  Still seems stiff and moved a little weird at times.  Maybe affecting his shot so decided to be more of a decoy/distributer?

I thought the same; and he looked beat
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: We R Final Four on January 23, 2019, 10:20:21 PM
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 23, 2019, 09:55:35 PM
Weird handshake between the coaches
Yes—what was that? Was Leiteo yelling at the refs while Wojo offered his hand?
Then Leiteo grabs the back of Wojo's neck and squeezes it like he's a kid. Weird is correct. From what I saw Leiteo raced through the players handshakes as well, surprising Theo a little bit.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: Archies Bat on January 23, 2019, 10:20:38 PM
Quote from: LloydsLegs on January 23, 2019, 10:19:17 PM
I thought Leito was talking over Wojo -maybe to bark at an official a bit.  Then he didn't want Wojo to be offended by what could be considered a slight( as I am about to shake your hand I ignore you for a moment to complain that we lost bc of the officials) , and then he came in tight with Wojo to make sure he knew that he respected him and the team. (How is that for interpretation? I give myself an A for creativity)

Your assessment is worth a beef and cheddar.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 23, 2019, 10:21:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 23, 2019, 10:05:13 PM
Incredibly weak at the 2g spot as well

We get it. You hate Sacar. Move on.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: LloydsLegs on January 23, 2019, 10:21:08 PM
Quote from: Archies Bat on January 23, 2019, 10:02:06 PM
It looked like Leitao was just about to shake Wojo's hand and then saw one of the refs and needed to say something.  Realized he had just dissed Wojo and looked like he apologized.

Agreed!!
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: MUMountin on January 23, 2019, 10:21:18 PM
Quote from: Marquette Gyros on January 23, 2019, 10:17:23 PM
The knee to the nuts affected him pretty much the rest of the game. Easy to see the wince on TV

No doubt, but he looked stiff even before that.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: LloydsLegs on January 23, 2019, 10:21:40 PM
Quote from: Archies Bat on January 23, 2019, 10:20:38 PM
Your assessment is worth a beef and cheddar.

Caught yours late; hat tip!
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: LloydsLegs on January 23, 2019, 10:22:30 PM
And, Tower, one of your better efforts on the topic title; hat tip.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: Daniel on January 23, 2019, 10:23:35 PM
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 23, 2019, 10:08:57 PM
Weird game for Markus. Looked to pass the whole night. Very few outside shots attempted. Lots of TOs, but lots of assists

Agreed. I thought no 0-2 on threes, and 9 assists. 
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: Loose Cannon on January 23, 2019, 10:24:32 PM
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 23, 2019, 09:55:35 PM
Weird handshake between the coaches

Yeah very awkward seem like Wojo wanted to keep going.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: Its DJOver on January 23, 2019, 10:24:58 PM
For all the hoopla made less than 12 months ago about Wojo never having a three game winning streak in the Beast, it should be noted that he is only one of three active BEast coaches to have a 6 game winning streak; Wright, Wojo, Cooley.  Win Saturday, and it's just Wright and Wojo.

Ugly game offensively for Sacar, but Wojo thought he was playing good enough D to get 33 minutes, since D won this game, those minutes are deserved, especially with only 1 TO.

Huge game for Theo, I don't know how many "should have had, if not for a foul" blocks he had, but it would have been approaching triple double territory, that's insane.

Anyone have a clip of the T's or this Wojo handshake thing?  I didn't get a good look at either.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: wadesworld on January 23, 2019, 10:27:51 PM
Glad we're worrying about handshake lines and not losses.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: Johnny B on January 23, 2019, 10:28:34 PM
anyone else drinking beer?
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: MomofMUltiples on January 23, 2019, 10:29:02 PM
Glad we got the win. After Nova and MU, nobody else in the conference has a winning record right now.

Markus flirting again with that elusive triple double - points, assists and turnovers.

It isn't just the turnovers though, it seems to be a general lack of nose for the ball. They're not getting 50/50 balls, they aren't running down the big rebounds, they aren't holding the ball tight enough and it gets taken right out of their hands. Wojo should have a practice where he just tosses out balls and have guys fight over them. Maybe bring in the ice cream truck for the winning side.

But like I said, good to get the win.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: Marcus92 on January 23, 2019, 10:30:58 PM
Looks like a lot of opponents are trying to beat up Markus. Fortunately, this team doesn't back down from hard, physical play. And they continue to play tough defense even when things aren't flowing on the offensive end. Not one of my favorite games to watch. But I think Tower's right -- this was another one of those games that we probably would have lost a year ago. I'll take the win.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: Jockey on January 23, 2019, 10:34:01 PM
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 23, 2019, 10:24:58 PM


Anyone have a clip of the T's or this Wojo handshake thing?  I didn't get a good look at either.

The 'T' was simply because a Depaul player put the ball into the chest of an official too hard after being called for an offensive foul and the Coach got one for complaining about it.

I didn't see any issue with the handshake. As others said here, just as they were meeting in the handshake line, an official went by and Leitao turned to yell at him just as Wojo was approaching. They then shook hands and Leitao whispered something to Wojo - probably letting him know he was yelling at the official and not Wojo (which Wojo appeared to already realize when it happened.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: RJax55 on January 23, 2019, 10:35:59 PM
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 23, 2019, 10:24:58 PM
Anyone have a clip of the T's or this Wojo handshake thing?  I didn't get a good look at either.

The handshake thing is nothing. As Wojo went for the handshake with Leitao, Leitao saw a ref pass by and he shouted something to the ref. Due to that, Leitao missed Wojo's handshake. Leitao realized that and grabbed Wojo. While awkward looking, there was no ill will.

Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: MUBigDance on January 23, 2019, 10:36:06 PM
Quote from: tower912 on January 23, 2019, 09:47:50 PM
1.  Sacar must have been suffering from the jsonline jinx.    Brutal.
2.   Two straight games where the opponent's offensive rebounding, or the lack of boxing out by Marquette on the defensive rebounding, kept the opponent in the game.     Coincidentally, Ed looked small in both games.   
3.  And, about those turnovers.   Brutaller.   
4.  The only thing missing from this DePaul team is a history/culture of winning.   So close.   They came in and made Marquette play at their pace and really turned it into a grind.   No more sleeping on DePaul. 
5.  Apparently, Leitao read the ESPN article on how to stop Howard.   Tall guards.   In waves.   But Markus was looking to pass.   For better or for worse. 
6.   Another game that a year ago this team loses.  Locked down and frustrated Strus and Cain.   Winning with defense.   Phenomenal defense until the shot went up.   Sometimes the rebounding was good, sometimes it was abysmal. 
7.  In the first half, Jamal played good defense.   In the second, his presence was a signal for DePaul to attack him.   Why no Bailey in the second half? 
8.   FT's no matta.   But it sure is nice to hit a high percentage down the stretch.     
9.   Theo continues to improve.  A nearly complete game tonight.   Although, worst idea of the evening, Theo passing from the wing to Joey in the post.   Yeah, that was never going to end well.  Fumbled that late rebound off the free throw.   And I can see a 'hack-a-Theo' in the not too distant future. 
10.   They didn't show a good replay.   Did Joey get punched in the groin again?   We know Markus took a shot to the groin.   
11.  Another ugly win.    Which is infinitely better than an ugly loss.     Next.

In a win, even ugly there are more positives than negatives...negatives for sure but the positive list is longer.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: MUMountin on January 23, 2019, 10:47:52 PM
Best part of tonight is that unless the bottom drops out on some of the other big teams east teams, we only have one Quadrant 3 game remaining—Georgetown at home on senior day, which I just don't see us losing.  Be great to avoid any Q3 losses.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: BM1090 on January 23, 2019, 10:48:34 PM
Hey guys what happened in the handshake line?
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 23, 2019, 10:49:20 PM
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 23, 2019, 10:05:13 PM
Incredibly weak at the 2g spot as well

We have the 7th best starting 2g in the Big East, not great, but certainly manageable when you have top players at the other 4 positions.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: Its DJOver on January 23, 2019, 10:51:56 PM
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on January 23, 2019, 10:48:34 PM
Hey guys what happened in the handshake line?

Last 20 seconds of this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGUTXDWS_yI
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: BM1090 on January 23, 2019, 10:53:04 PM
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 23, 2019, 10:51:56 PM
Last 20 seconds of this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGUTXDWS_yI

Sorry, should have used teal. I think 10+ posters covered it.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 23, 2019, 10:54:40 PM
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on January 23, 2019, 10:48:34 PM
Hey guys what happened in the handshake line?

Scoop was not consulted about the appropriate slapping of five techniques
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: mug644 on January 23, 2019, 10:57:47 PM
I am most struck by the fact that the 5 starters played 32+ minutes, with Chartouny leading bench minutes with just 11. Coming into the season and anticipating so much depth, would anyone have guessed that a home game against DePaul would have such a short rotation? Not me.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: DoctorV on January 23, 2019, 11:02:55 PM
If you wait up until 230am, with a few hot toddy's and plenty of beers, you can watch the new Greek freak Tsitsipas v Nadal in Aussieland!

I digress. Game wasn't pretty but I wouldn't say it was as ugly as others thought. I'll point out the defense in Strus, and the defense in general, which I thought was amazing.

How about one of the most improved Marquette players from one yr to the next changing the game on both ends of the floor and making huge clutch plays? I've only been watching since 2003 but who's improved more from one year to the next than Theo? Wade, Jae, and Vander come to mind but I'd say that Theo is the most unexpected by far.

Someone mentioned Markus' game was very 'odd' or 'different' today. I agree, he was definitely pointguard Markus tonight but again I don't think it was as brutal as most would claim. I thought he made some great passes that the Hausers missed wide open shots on and some others that were awesome passes and made shots (Joey from 3 and Theo in the post a few times stand out). We can't get on his case for hero ball and not give him his due for realizing (or being coached) that DePaul has tall/long guards and he can't be shooting contested 3s all game if they aren't there. He tried to do the right thing and at times he was great but at times he turned it over. If he cleans it up he goes from All American elite to short list for player of the yr next yr, yea I said it

This version of DePaul is tougher than past, but I really hope Marquette is ready for payback from last yr in Chicago in 2/12
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: mug644 on January 23, 2019, 11:44:31 PM
My take is that Markus saw that Theo was aggressive and effective, and, more importantly, read that Scoop knows that the offense needs to run thru Theo more than it has, and so switched to PG mode and pushed the ball into Theo.

It seems that most of Markus' turnovers came when he was trying to get the ball inside to Theo.

Markus knew he couldn't easily get shots off against Cain's defense, and so tried hard to find others, especially Theo.

I like how Markus played tonight.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: WarriorFan on January 23, 2019, 11:52:59 PM
I don't mind point Markus getting 23 points and 9 assists and looking to pass and get the others involved - this was good game planning because DePaul was always going to have the advantage at that slot today with a long experienced player who's an excellent defender guarding him.  But 8 TO's?  Holy crap that's horrible. 

Isn't it nice to rely on a big guy for some offense as well as good D?

Joe C had a nice contribution today.  If he can have 10-12 good minutes in every game from here on out I'd be very happy. 

Bailey and Cain were both average.  I'd think when teams are running us off the 3 point line these guys should be driving and dunking.

Hausers were Hausers, but Joey's TO's really hurt.  His half spin/back down move in the paint is too predictable.  That's the kind of move that works in High School but doesn't translate up a level. 

I'm starting to like ugly wins. 

By the way, I think Leito - against all odds both internally within DePaul, in a tough recruiting market, with no admin support, with very little student support - has done a great job.  They might never again be top 4 of the Beast, but they could be a strong middle team and a good rival going forward. 
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: willie warrior on January 24, 2019, 05:41:00 AM
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 23, 2019, 09:48:52 PM
Is Theo better know than Faisal was as a senior? Or at least close?
Better. But both were lousy ft shooters
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: Class71 on January 24, 2019, 05:47:53 AM
Quote from: MUpilot on January 23, 2019, 09:49:32 PM
12.  Markus was horrible with the ball tonight.  Any NBA talk should be put to rest for a while.

Seems to drive into trouble then looks for an outlet when it is too late. Also sometimes passes without anticipating the next move by the defense. Someone needs to work with him on anticipating better and recognizing his strategy needs to be adjusted against big defenders.. It will greatly improve an already great shooter.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: willie warrior on January 24, 2019, 05:48:37 AM
Best moment of the game;
Struts getting his face/schnoz slammed
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: CTWarrior on January 24, 2019, 06:03:38 AM
Quote from: MUMountin on January 23, 2019, 10:13:47 PM
He doesn't look healthy to me yet.  Still seems stiff and moved a little weird at times.  Maybe affecting his shot so decided to be more of a decoy/distributer?
I thought the same thing.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: goldeneagle91114 on January 24, 2019, 06:40:40 AM
Quote from: skianth16 on January 23, 2019, 10:14:07 PM
Winning ugly is becoming the norm for these guys. And while it's great to be able to grid out wins, the only reason this one was close was our inability to take care of the ball. The winning mentality will help out big time come March, but I'd like to see the guys put together some high quality games to build on as we get deeper into conference play.

Sure, that's being a bit nit picky, but with a team this talented, we should have some big time wins at home where we click on all cylinders. I really thought we could do that tonight. I loved the effort tonight, especially from Theo, but playing this sloppy can't become a habit. Clean up a few things here and there, and in a few weeks, this team can be really scary.

The other piece to this equation is the fact that other teams are excited and dialed in when they play MU. Other Big East teams only get a shot to beat ranked teams when they play us and nova.This is something the team has never faced before and I think is a big reason for these grind out wins.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: tower912 on January 24, 2019, 06:44:49 AM
I agree that Markus doesn't look 100%.  Only 6 games in February.  Hopefully, he will get a chance to heal.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: hairy worthen on January 24, 2019, 06:50:57 AM
Quote from: WarriorFan on January 23, 2019, 11:52:59 PM
I don't mind point Markus getting 23 points and 9 assists and looking to pass and get the others involved - this was good game planning because DePaul was always going to have the advantage at that slot today with a long experienced player who's an excellent defender guarding him.  But 8 TO's?  Holy crap that's horrible. 

Isn't it nice to rely on a big guy for some offense as well as good D?

Joe C had a nice contribution today.  If he can have 10-12 good minutes in every game from here on out I'd be very happy. 

Bailey and Cain were both average.  I'd think when teams are running us off the 3 point line these guys should be driving and dunking.

Hausers were Hausers, but Joey's TO's really hurt.  His half spin/back down move in the paint is too predictable.  That's the kind of move that works in High School but doesn't translate up a level. 

I'm starting to like ugly wins. 

By the way, I think Leito - against all odds both internally within DePaul, in a tough recruiting market, with no admin support, with very little student support - has done a great job.  They might never again be top 4 of the Beast, but they could be a strong middle team and a good rival going forward.



They can and should be a top 4 team in the big east. I do not know anything about the admin, but they have an excellent recruiting market and the student and community support would come with wins. They were once a top program in the country, there is no reason they can't be again and that would only be a positive for the Big East and MU.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: mu03eng on January 24, 2019, 06:57:01 AM
Big East is a grind and they've played 7 games in 4 weeks with 3 on the road. Yes these are kids but it takes a toll, especially when Wojo has been playing them max minutes. February will bring more rest but tougher competition so we'll see how it shakes out but given this teams ability to win different ways and close out right games I like our chances for this to be a special regular season
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: muwarrior69 on January 24, 2019, 07:08:23 AM
Is it me or are some of our turnovers, fouls, that are just not called. I caught only the second half and it looked to me like our guys were being mugged. Then there were calls where little contact if any were called. No wonder the players get frustrated with such inconsistent officiating.

Not just this game; did you see that abysmal call in the Saints/Rams game?
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: warriorchick on January 24, 2019, 07:10:15 AM
Quote from: willie warrior on January 24, 2019, 05:48:37 AM
Best moment of the game;
Struts getting his face/schnoz slammed

Wow. You're a class act, Willie.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: jsglow on January 24, 2019, 07:18:40 AM
Quote from: tower912 on January 24, 2019, 06:44:49 AM
I agree that Markus doesn't look 100%.  Only 6 games in February.  Hopefully, he will get a chance to heal.

And rest.  Our guys looked tired last night.  We've played a ton of games since Christmas.  Great that the schedule starts to lighten up even if the quality of opponents goes up.

Two big games in the next 7 days, then as you said, 6 total in February.

Quote from: mu03eng on January 24, 2019, 06:57:01 AM
Big East is a grind and they've played 7 games in 4 weeks with 3 on the road. Yes these are kids but it takes a toll, especially when Wojo has been playing them max minutes. February will bring more rest but tougher competition so we'll see how it shakes out but given this teams ability to win different ways and close out right games I like our chances for this to be a special regular season

What eng said.   :)
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: StillWarriors on January 24, 2019, 07:22:28 AM
Way too many TOs obviously, but I didn't mind Markus's mindset at all. They were running two guys at him and he set up 4 or 5 wide open looks for Joey and Sam early that they missed. Could have opened a huge lead early with Markus barely shooting.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 24, 2019, 07:33:21 AM
I thought that was the most engaged Howard has been on an "off night" in his entire career. Too many turnovers but he did a great job distributing.

DePaul has a nice team...hope they can squeeze into tournament consideration
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: mu_hilltopper on January 24, 2019, 07:52:49 AM
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on January 23, 2019, 10:00:09 PM
Leito appeared to be yelling at a ref. Wojo stood there for a second, and then stated to walk by. That's when Leito stopped and walked after Wojo.

Then Leito gave Wojo a neck massage.  For reals.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: mu03eng on January 24, 2019, 08:04:20 AM
Another thing I would highlight from the DePaul game but it's been a recurring theme in the Big East play at least......the variety of defensive wrinkles Wojo has been throwing at other teams that I don't recall from previous seasons. The doubling of Strus when he got to the corners, the hard dives from the perimeters when Reed got the ball in the post, lots of variety and adjustment that has really impressed me this season. Last seasons it felt like it was straight up man or a reluctant 2-3 zone and that was about it.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: IrwinFletcher on January 24, 2019, 08:32:22 AM
Against Seton Hall and DePaul we have had big leads at the half and let the opponent back in it to start the 2nd half.  Also seem to have some issues starting the game like we did last night.  Not sure what the issue is, but as the competition ramps up, need to have better starts.

You can rest guys a bit when you have 17 point leads with 3 minutes to go.  You can't do that in a tight game.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: MUfan12 on January 24, 2019, 08:43:02 AM
Quote from: jsglow on January 24, 2019, 07:18:40 AM
And rest.  Our guys looked tired last night.  We've played a ton of games since Christmas.  Great that the schedule starts to lighten up even if the quality of opponents goes up.

And the book on MU has been to beat them up. Our guys constantly get tagged, grabbed, bodied, figuring the refs can't call everything. The reason these games seem like grinds is that's exactly what the lesser teams want to turn the game into.

The fact that MU is still winning these games is hugely encouraging to me. That wouldn't have happened in prior years.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: jesmu84 on January 24, 2019, 09:30:58 AM
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 24, 2019, 07:52:49 AM
Then Leito gave Wojo a neck massage.  For reals.

https://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/steve-wojciechowski-celebrated-the-marquette-win-by-getting-a-neck-massage-by-depaul-head-coach-dave-leitao-in-the-handshake-line
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: BM1090 on January 24, 2019, 09:45:24 AM
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on January 24, 2019, 08:32:22 AM
Against Seton Hall and DePaul we have had big leads at the half and let the opponent back in it to start the 2nd half.  Also seem to have some issues starting the game like we did last night.  Not sure what the issue is, but as the competition ramps up, need to have better starts.

You can rest guys a bit when you have 17 point leads with 3 minutes to go.  You can't do that in a tight game.

And against Providence, Creighton, and Georgetown we were down 8+ and managed to come back and win. College teams are inconsistent.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: jsglow on January 24, 2019, 09:47:41 AM
At the 7:22 timeout.......

'Take care of the ball!  Take care of the ball!  Take care of the ball!  If there is a turnover you can't drop back.  You gotta sprint back.'

Markus knew, spit his mouthpiece in self reflection, and wiped his face with a towel.

The rest of the way he was 1/2 from the floor, hit 11 straight FTs, had a big assist to Theo, and committed ZERO turnovers.

This team is coachable and wants to win.  It's a long grind and a long season.  When they are on all cylinders they can beat anyone.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: Its DJOver on January 24, 2019, 09:57:59 AM
Something that I feel is being overlooked with this team is its offensive "spurtability".  With 6:30 left in the first half we had 18 points, we finished the half with 40.  Against PC, with 6:30 left in the game we had 54, ended with 79 (with only 2 fta in the last 60 seconds, so not much garbage time action).  It reminds of a not as good Nova last year, where they could essentially end a game in a 4 minute stretch by blowing up from 3.  With our much more consistent D this year, I think we are very rarely out of games because our offense has the potential to be as efficient as it was last year.  Also means that we have yet to hit our ceiling, as, if we can play like that for 40 minutes we could beat any team in the country.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 24, 2019, 09:58:51 AM
Quote from: jsglow on January 24, 2019, 09:47:41 AM
At the 7:22 timeout.......

'Take care of the ball!  Take care of the ball!  Take care of the ball!  If there is a turnover you can't drop back.  You gotta sprint back.'

Markus knew, spit his mouthpiece in self reflection, and wiped his face with a towel.

The rest of the way he was 1/2 from the floor, hit 11 straight FTs, had a big assist to Theo, and committed ZERO turnovers.

This team is coachable and wants to win.  It's a long grind and a long season.  When they are on all cylinders they can beat anyone.

Honestly "grind together, shine together" would be more appropriate for this group. Never out of it when they play as a team.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: jsglow on January 24, 2019, 10:15:25 AM
Quote from: JakeBarnes on January 24, 2019, 09:58:51 AM
Honestly "grind together, shine together" would be more appropriate for this group. Never out of it when they play as a team.

That coach is gone.

'The strength of our team is our team.'   8-)
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: Balrogs on January 24, 2019, 10:33:29 AM
Quote from: jsglow on January 24, 2019, 10:15:25 AM
That coach is gone.

'The strength of our team is our team.'   8-)

Team, team, team

https://youtu.be/pGFGD5pj03M
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 24, 2019, 10:58:48 AM
Quote from: jsglow on January 24, 2019, 10:15:25 AM
That coach is gone.

'The strength of our team is our team.'   8-)

I like it...but it doesn't flow off the tongue as well.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: jsglow on January 24, 2019, 10:59:42 AM
Quote from: JakeBarnes on January 24, 2019, 10:58:48 AM
I like it...but it doesn't flow off the tongue as well.

Kinda like most of what Wojo says!
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: warriorchick on January 24, 2019, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: JakeBarnes on January 24, 2019, 10:58:48 AM
I like it...but it doesn't flow off the tongue as well.

When I saw him say it, it truly looked like it was an off-the-cuff remark.  He wasn't trying to invent a catchphrase.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 24, 2019, 11:14:09 AM
Quote from: warriorchick on January 24, 2019, 11:02:37 AM
When I saw him say it, it truly looked like it was an off-the-cuff remark.  He wasn't trying to invent a catchphrase.

Oh, I realize that. Just replying to glow's response about the motto. T-shirt worthy (gtst, win every day, etc) phrases that describe the team just haven't appeared and the wordiness of the Wojo statement doesn't work.

Just thinking from a marketing side to encompass the team.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: barfolomew on January 24, 2019, 11:33:55 AM
Quote from: MUMountin on January 23, 2019, 10:47:52 PM
Best part of tonight is that unless the bottom drops out on some of the other big teams east teams, we only have one Quadrant 3 game remaining—Georgetown at home on senior day, which I just don't see us losing.  Be great to avoid any Q3 losses.

No way we lose on senior day, because we will be starting the Milkman, who is better than Luke Fischer.
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: pbiflyer on January 24, 2019, 01:30:24 PM
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 24, 2019, 07:52:49 AM
Then Leito gave Wojo a neck massage.  For reals.

I liked Leitao better when he played Bob Alexander in the movie Dave.

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Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: Loose Cannon on January 24, 2019, 03:12:34 PM
Quote from: pbiflyer on January 24, 2019, 01:30:24 PM
I liked Leitao better when he played Bob Alexander in the movie Dave.

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Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on January 25, 2019, 07:08:09 PM
After rewatching the game one thing to note for future games. Markus got called for a travel at 855 in the 1st half.  I feel like he's done the same side step step back thing 10 times already this year. He had at least 3 of these vs Creighton that they let go and it's a huge part of his game to create space.  By the rules this has always been a travel. However the NBA legalized it by inventing the gather step.  This is what Harden is making famous, but Jimmy, Wade, and others are very good  at it as well. I wonder if Leito brought it to the attention of the refs before hand. They immediately called it and Markus didn't complain. 
Title: Re: At 2 am, after enough beers, it might be a pretty win
Post by: BM1090 on January 25, 2019, 07:47:18 PM
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on January 25, 2019, 07:08:09 PM
After rewatching the game one thing to note for future games. Markus got called for a travel at 855 in the 1st half.  I feel like he's done the same side step step back thing 10 times already this year. He had at least 3 of these vs Creighton that they let go and it's a huge part of his game to create space.  By the rules this has always been a travel. However the NBA legalized it by inventing the gather step.  This is what Harden is making famous, but Jimmy, Wade, and others are very good  at it as well. I wonder if Leito brought it to the attention of the refs before hand. They immediately called it and Markus didn't complain.

You can do it legally if the dribble is still coming up on the side step. Just have to master the timing.
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