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Since we polled his chances of leaving. Lets poll his draft outlook for this year and beyond

The exact same as it was after 40 pts in a half against Buffalo.   

Currently not on 2019 mock draft board by the site below. 56th on 2020. This site was pretty accurate when it came to Henry Ellenson.
 
https://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft

Idk how people could possibly think he could have an nba career. He may have a cup of coffee in the g league at best. He's to small and unatheltic. Who could he guard in the nba? The ball handling is not there either.

I tend to agree with exactly this.   Hes gonna get abused by nba level bodies.  I wish him the best but even 6 inches taller and he does not have the handles or explosiveness.   I hope we see some of that change.   

Novak was just about as pure imo but his height got him a look.

Quote from: 46-47warriorcaptain on January 01, 2019, 09:00:02 PM
I tend to agree with exactly this.   Hes gonna get abused by nba level bodies.  I wish him the best but even 6 inches taller and he does not have the handles or explosiveness.   I hope we see some of that change.   

Novak was just about as pure imo but his height got him a look.

A 6'4" Markus Howard would've been a first round draft pick in this past Draft.

The only thing Howard will be declaring for is a major. Great 4 year college player though. He ll bounce back.

A lot of courage starting this thread to rag on Markus after he had a bad game in a bad loss. Bravo.

Quote from: wadesworld on January 01, 2019, 09:04:12 PM
A 6'4" Markus Howard would've been a first round draft pick in this past Draft.

6'4 allows him to play more off the ball
At 5'11 he has to play on the ball yet has poor ball handling and bad court vision.  Has gotten better in those ares but still sub par for a pg

Quote from: 46-47warriorcaptain on January 01, 2019, 09:00:02 PM
I tend to agree with exactly this.   Hes gonna get abused by nba level bodies.  I wish him the best but even 6 inches taller and he does not have the handles or explosiveness.   I hope we see some of that change.   

Novak was just about as pure imo but his height got him a look.

So why do another poll? 

Markus can score 38 next game and he's a maybe again for second round discussion, just like last poll.  Tonight he went against an elite defender who is NBA sized guard at 6ft 5 and it showed.  Simon was in his face big time and his size/defensive ability killed him.  Nothing gonna change.

But, if Markus was 6ft 5, he'd be a lottery pick. 

Quote from: nyg on January 01, 2019, 09:10:14 PM
So why do another poll? 

Markus can score 38 next game and he's a maybe again for second round discussion, just like last poll.  Tonight he went against an elite defender who is NBA sized guard at 6ft 5 and it showed.  Simon was in his face big time and his size/defensive ability killed him.  Nothing gonna change.

But, if Markus was 6ft 5, he'd be a lottery pick.

If grandma had balls she would be grandpa.

Quote from: 46-47warriorcaptain on January 01, 2019, 09:00:02 PM
I tend to agree with exactly this.   Hes gonna get abused by nba level bodies.  I wish him the best but even 6 inches taller and he does not have the handles or explosiveness.   I hope we see some of that change.   

Novak was just about as pure imo but his height got him a look.

He did not merely "get a look." 

He had a 12 year career, and lead the NBA in 3pg in 2011-12.

He also earned more than $23 million

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/milwaukee-bucks/steve-novak-2399/cash-earnings/

Quote from: Herman Cain on January 01, 2019, 09:11:51 PM
If grandma had balls she would be grandpa.

Not anymore...depends how grandma indentifies herself

It's 2019, baby

Howard is a great college player, I hope he get his dream of NBA.  In meantime, will enjoy him and hope he and team can bounce back.

One guy I thought played ok tonight was Chartouney...looked for his shot, was aggressive more than usual. 

Every Big East team will key on Markus, not a surprise.  Team has to find a way to adjust

One interesting point of reference for Markus future is Andrew Rowsey's performance in Hungary this year. He has played in 23 games( started 5) is averaging 10 ppg in 19 minutes  2 assists and 1.65 turnovers. Shooting 37.3  percent from 3 and 39.7 percent overall. efg 53.6. Seems like Andrew has found a level he can compete at effectively.

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Andrew-Rowsey/Summary/58121

Quote from: Tower Tops on January 01, 2019, 09:56:28 PM
He did not merely "get a look." 

He had a 12 year career, and lead the NBA in 3pg in 2011-12.

He also earned more than $23 million

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/milwaukee-bucks/steve-novak-2399/cash-earnings/

Glad that Wade kid got a look, too.

Markus will finish his 4 year MU career with a degree and as an all American who holds the school scoring title.  He might be the best collegiate player any of us ever see. 

Having said that, regardless of how he played in his last game, he is not an NBA player. 

Jerel is the nearest comp, but he's 3" taller - at least - and had better PG skills.  Vander taller still.  Mo might be the best comp size-wise and in terms of offensive skill, (Mo today, not college Mo) but also a much better PG and still will never get a sniff of the NBA. 

Markus will make plenty of money playing professionally and will entertain thousands of fans, but it will be in leagues where teams can afford a 2 that can't play D and/or where D is not valued as much. 

Quote from: WarriorFan on January 02, 2019, 06:27:00 AM
Markus will finish his 4 year MU career with a degree and as an all American who holds the school scoring title.  He might be the best collegiate player any of us ever see. 

Having said that, regardless of how he played in his last game, he is not an NBA player. 

Jerel is the nearest comp, but he's 3" taller - at least - and had better PG skills.  Vander taller still.  Mo might be the best comp size-wise and in terms of offensive skill, (Mo today, not college Mo) but also a much better PG and still will never get a sniff of the NBA. 

Markus will make plenty of money playing professionally and will entertain thousands of fans, but it will be in leagues where teams can afford a 2 that can't play D and/or where D is not valued as much.

Disagree with your comps, but agree that Markus has many things working against him in his quest for NBA $$.

Quote from: Tower Tops on January 01, 2019, 09:56:28 PM
He did not merely "get a look." 

He had a 12 year career, and lead the NBA in 3pg in 2011-12.

He also earned more than $23 million

The six figure pension is nice too.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/milwaukee-bucks/steve-novak-2399/cash-earnings/

Quote from: Cheeks on January 01, 2019, 10:08:56 PM
Not anymore...depends how grandma indentifies herself

It's 2019, baby

[Loud wet fart noise followed by a sad trombone; massive hook comes out and pulls the hack comedian from the stage and he's mercifully taken out to pasture]

Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on January 02, 2019, 10:19:21 AM
[Loud wet fart noise followed by a sad trombone; massive hook comes out and pulls the hack comedian from the stage and he's mercifully taken out to pasture]

My comment was 100% accurate in 2019.  2000, nope...but we are in 2019...check your calendar.

Quote from: Cheeks on January 02, 2019, 11:20:35 AM
My comment was 100% accurate in 2019.  2000, nope...but we are in 2019...check your calendar.

Doubling down on the hack material?

Quote from: MU82 on January 02, 2019, 09:38:10 AM
Disagree with your comps, but agree that Markus has many things working against him in his quest for NBA $$.

Yeah, not good comps at all. Despite Jerel being a scorer as well, he was not a shooter. Markus is one of the best shooters MU has had. I don't think he has a good chance to make it long-term in the NBA, but I do think he has a definite shot at being drafted in the second round next year. Especially if MU makes some noise in the tournament one of these two years.

I'm just answering to the question whether he will be a draft selection. Most of you are projecting his long-term success as a potential NBA player, and I agree it's not good.

Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on January 02, 2019, 11:32:43 AM
Doubling down on the hack material?

Doubling down on the truth....as inconvenient as it is for you.  Note, I didn't say a word of whether it was good or bad that grandma can do this, the point is she can.  2019.

Things change. Progress.  Happy New Year

Quote from: WarriorFan on January 02, 2019, 06:27:00 AM
Markus will finish his 4 year MU career with a degree and as an all American who holds the school scoring title.  He might be the best collegiate player any of us ever see. 

Having said that, regardless of how he played in his last game, he is not an NBA player. 

Jerel is the nearest comp, but he's 3" taller - at least - and had better PG skills.  Vander taller still.  Mo might be the best comp size-wise and in terms of offensive skill, (Mo today, not college Mo) but also a much better PG and still will never get a sniff of the NBA. 

Markus will make plenty of money playing professionally and will entertain thousands of fans, but it will be in leagues where teams can afford a 2 that can't play D and/or where D is not valued as much.

Mo has carved out a very nice price career in the lower level leagues in Europe. I enjoy watching him play in the TBT.
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Maurice-Acker/Summary/6163

Quote from: Herman Cain on January 02, 2019, 02:12:03 PM
Mo has carved out a very nice price career in the lower level leagues in Europe. I enjoy watching him play in the TBT.
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Maurice-Acker/Summary/6163

Hard to find Comps for Markus in fact because he's an elite shooter, but the paradigm I'm using is that he would need to be a PG to go NBA and he's simply not... and I was only using recent MU comps.

I think Mo is great to watch... always enjoyed him and have followed his overseas and TBT career.

Hard to see him be selected, but if he can become a better decision maker with the ball and improve his PG skills.