MU-2.5
That will generate some money.
I would have guessed MU -1.
Guessing that will slide down closer to even before tomorrow night.
That line is incorrect......opens at a pick
http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/odds/las-vegas/
Quote from: MuMark on December 31, 2018, 02:54:16 PM
That line is incorrect......opens at a pick
http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/odds/las-vegas/
My scores & odds app also open at MU at -2.5. That Vegas link is slow at the open.
https://www.oddsshark.com/ncaab/marquette-st-johns-odds-january-1-2019-1051088
Oddsshark indicating it opened at 2.5 but Betonline has it as even, so who knows?
SJU now laying 2.
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/betting-odds/ncaa-basketball/
Quote from: tominsalem on January 01, 2019, 11:07:05 AM
SJU now laying 2.
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/betting-odds/ncaa-basketball/
Whoa. 4.5 point swing?
MQ +1.5 on my site. +110 Moneyline
Quote from: Carl on January 01, 2019, 12:47:52 PM
MQ +1.5 on my site. +110 Moneyline
that's what I'm seeing too
New York money coming in moving the line?
This is a weird game. In a vacuum, I think Marquette should win. But when I look at the conference schedule as a whole, I think this is the 3rd or 4th hardest game on the schedule and I expect 4-6 conference losses. If we lose, we are still on track for 12-6 or better, if we win then we give ourselves some breathing room.
Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2019, 01:45:25 PM
New York money coming in moving the line?
That's why it's called the BIG EAST.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 01, 2019, 01:59:32 PM
This is a weird game. In a vacuum, I think Marquette should win. But when I look at the conference schedule as a whole, I think this is the 3rd or 4th hardest game on the schedule and I expect 4-6 conference losses. If we lose, we are still on track for 12-6 or better, if we win then we give ourselves some breathing room.
T Rank projects Marquette, Butler, and Villanova to tie for first at 11-7.
St. John's is favored by 1.6 on T Rank for tonight.
75% of money is on SJU
Went to MU +1.5 this AM, to now MU +2.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on January 01, 2019, 02:58:17 PM
75% of money is on SJU
So, MU should be a big underdog.
Not so, that is not how the book works, it balances the bets and makes money on the action. The vig. and the ties....it does not want skin in the game.
We all know that.
Problem is the St. Johns Long Island Alumni and the Carnessecca Arena. One of the most enthusiastic fan bases around, not the students they are 65% Asian and really don't care, also they are one of the most knowledgeable and sportmanslike fan bases.
Quote from: vogue65 on January 01, 2019, 03:12:31 PM
So, MU should be a big underdog.
Not so, that is not how the book works, it balances the bets and makes money on the action. The vig. and the ties....it does not want skin in the game.
We all know that.
Problem is the St. Johns Long Island Alumni and the Carnessecca Arena. One of the most enthusiastic fan bases around, not the students they are 65% Asian and really don't care, also they are one of the most knowledgeable and sportmanslike fan bases.
Well the line has moved 4 points, and 75% of the money is on SJU.
I am aware of how it works I was just stating a fact
Quote from: vogue65 on January 01, 2019, 03:12:31 PM
So, MU should be a big underdog.
Not so, that is not how the book works, it balances the bets and makes money on the action. The vig. and the ties....it does not want skin in the game.
We all know that.
Problem is the St. Johns Long Island Alumni and the Carnessecca Arena. One of the most enthusiastic fan bases around, not the students they are 65% Asian and really don't care, also they are one of the most knowledgeable and sportmanslike fan bases.
The SJU student base is not 65% Asian.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on January 01, 2019, 03:30:08 PM
The SJU student base is not 65% Asian.
Not according to my former chief, who is an adjunct professor of actuarial science, who told me the number.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on January 01, 2019, 03:14:28 PM
Well the line has moved 4 points, and 75% of the money is on SJU.
I am aware of how it works I was just stating a fact
A 4 point move is a step in the right direction for the book.
Quote from: vogue65 on January 01, 2019, 03:12:31 PM
So, MU should be a big underdog.
Not so, that is not how the book works, it balances the bets and makes money on the action. The vig. and the ties....it does not want skin in the game.
We all know that.
This is a common misconception. Books take sides ALL the time. Not every dollar is created equal. Todd Fuhrman has a fascinating blog. One of the posts talks about sharp money. If books wanted balance, Reverse Line Movement wouldn't be a thing.
http://www.toddstake.com/2013/11/26/deconstructing-sharp-money/
Quote from: spartan3186 on January 01, 2019, 04:49:56 PM
This is a common misconception. Books take sides ALL the time. Not every dollar is created equal. Todd Fuhrman has a fascinating blog. One of the posts talks about sharp money. If books wanted balance, Reverse Line Movement wouldn't be a thing.
http://www.toddstake.com/2013/11/26/deconstructing-sharp-money/
Yep. Good way to make money if you can identify RLM.
Quote from: vogue65 on January 01, 2019, 04:42:38 PM
Not according to my former chief, who is an adjunct professor of actuarial science, who told me the number.
Well he's wrong according to their published enrollment data.
https://www.stjohns.edu/sites/default/files/documents/ir/fact-book/combined_fall_2017_fact_book_enrollment.pdf
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on January 01, 2019, 04:53:52 PM
Well he's wrong according to their published enrollment data.
https://www.stjohns.edu/sites/default/files/documents/ir/fact-book/combined_fall_2017_fact_book_enrollment.pdf
Hey, he was only off by 51.3%
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on January 01, 2019, 04:53:52 PM
Well he's wrong according to their published enrollment data.
https://www.stjohns.edu/sites/default/files/documents/ir/fact-book/combined_fall_2017_fact_book_enrollment.pdf
Thank you for the interesting data. Note the number of students from Queens. Yes, probably most of those students were born in Queens. I did not catch the number of Asians.
In the center of their campus they have a pagoda. We have the Joan of Arch chapel, ND has TD Jesus and the golden dome, they have a pagoda. They knew the changing demographics 40 years ago. The pagoda is their School of Asian Studies. I probably should have said, Asian Americans.....
Enjoy the game, last game I saw there was with Buzz and we won in overtime. The alumni were very informed, and fun. Can't say the same for the Seton Hall alumni.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on January 01, 2019, 04:51:08 PM
Yep. Good way to make money if you can identify RLM.
You can't because there is no RLM.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on January 01, 2019, 05:21:02 PM
What?
You're right, I don't know what I'm talking about. Remember I'm old.
Quote from: Loose Cannon on January 01, 2019, 01:49:47 PM
Make Up calls for last game.
So they (the refs) screwed STJ so now they have to screw MU and I thought College basketball was on the up and up. I don't believe it; they'll call the game fairly.
Quote from: vogue65 on January 01, 2019, 05:14:43 PM
I did not catch the number of Asians.
Across all campuses there are 2,920 Asian students against a total student population of 21,346 for a % of 13.679%
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 01, 2019, 05:37:45 PM
Across all campuses there are 2,920 Asian students against a total student population of 21,346 for a % of 13.679%
Rounds up to 65%.
My sources show the game started as a pick em then moved to St.J -2.. (I just hopped in on MU +2... usually don't mess with MU games, but burning time before tip off)
That was so wrong. Ponds is a god. Is Marquette like the packers because they can't win on the road?
Quote from: vogue65 on January 01, 2019, 05:14:43 PM
Thank you for the interesting data. Note the number of students from Queens. Yes, probably most of those students were born in Queens. I did not catch the number of Asians.
In the center of their campus they have a pagoda. We have the Joan of Arch chapel, ND has TD Jesus and the golden dome, they have a pagoda. They knew the changing demographics 40 years ago. The pagoda is their School of Asian Studies. I probably should have said, Asian Americans.....
Enjoy the game, last game I saw there was with Buzz and we won in overtime. The alumni were very informed, and fun. Can't say the same for the Seton Hall alumni.
Extremely bizarre fixation here.
The correct response instead: "Huh, guess I was wrong."
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on January 04, 2019, 12:24:21 PM
Extremely bizarre fixation here.
The correct response instead: "Huh, guess I was wrong."
Not a fixation. Just a Queens kid sharing a little information with his country cousins from Wisconsin. Consider, I lived in Milwaukee for 5 + years, and worked at a Minnesota Company for 7, I know the thought process of my midwest friends.
You can take the kid out of the city, but you can't take the city out of the kid.
Mullin plays city ball, some call it playground ball, we play sophiscated ball, some call it prep school ball. This time the ballers won, next time we may fair better.
I am retired, gave up analysis of data 8 years ago. Nevertheless, in the center of St. Johns campus is a pagoda, that is not a fixation, it is a fact. They knew the changing demographics of Flushing back in the 80's. My closest friend is married to a Chinese doctor and they live in Flushing. Population in 2010, 72,000, 70% Asian.
Watching the game the other night, I could see the heavy alumni support and the few students.
Oh, I also have been noticing how many dairy farms have been closing in Wisconsin and how many fewer cows, not a fixation, just an intetest.
Quote from: vogue65 on January 04, 2019, 09:41:57 PM
Not a fixation. Just a Queens kid sharing a little information with his country cousins from Wisconsin. Consider, I lived in Milwaukee for 5 + years, and worked at a Minnesota Company for 7, I know the thought process of my midwest friends.
You can take the kid out of the city, but you can't take the city out of the kid.
Mullin plays city ball, some call it playground ball, we play sophiscated ball, some call it prep school ball. This time the ballers won, next time we may fair better.
I am retired, gave up analysis of data 8 years ago. Nevertheless, in the center of St. Johns campus is a pagoda, that is not a fixation, it is a fact. They knew the changing demographics of Flushing back in the 80's. My closest friend is married to a Chinese doctor and they live in Flushing. Population in 2010, 72,000, 70% Asian.
Watching the game the other night, I could see the heavy alumni support and the few students.
Oh, I also have been noticing how many dairy farms have been closing in Wisconsin and how many fewer cows, not a fixation, just an intetest.
For all of you country bumpkins not familiar with this story, it's both fascinating and f*cked up:
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/11/nyregion/a-quick-descent-for-cecilia-chang-dean-at-st-johns.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/11/nyregion/a-quick-descent-for-cecilia-chang-dean-at-st-johns.html)
Quote from: barfolomew on January 05, 2019, 12:10:47 AM
For all of you country bumpkins not familiar with this story, it's both fascinating and f*cked up:
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/11/nyregion/a-quick-descent-for-cecilia-chang-dean-at-st-johns.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/11/nyregion/a-quick-descent-for-cecilia-chang-dean-at-st-johns.html)
Tells you everything you need to know about The Johnnie mentality.
Quote from: barfolomew on January 05, 2019, 12:10:47 AM
For all of you country bumpkins not familiar with this story, it's both fascinating and f*cked up:
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/11/nyregion/a-quick-descent-for-cecilia-chang-dean-at-st-johns.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/11/nyregion/a-quick-descent-for-cecilia-chang-dean-at-st-johns.html)
What can I say?
However, I did say, country cousins and not country bumpkins.
No direct relationship between Coach Mullin and the pagota mentality other than that they play very HARD BALL in Queens.
The effort of the Big East leadership to turn the league into some kind of intellectual basketball icon is doomed to fail. I hope our guys learned their lesson last week.
And just think, a few days ago some of you guys were debating giving or getting a few points. Hope nobody lost their tuition money.
I'm not proud, in fact I feel guilty, that I took book at the Vogue, across the street from the library, and saw too many student gamblers lose their tuition money to the thugs. The statute of limitation has long ago passed. I was young and foolish, but there was a lesson learned.
You never beat the book, no matter how smart you think you are. No matter how much inside information you think you have. No matter how sophiscated your algorithm.
Who do you think paid for Vegas? The losers, and all gamblers are losers. As our goodfather Al said, the only people you find in bars are losers. And his family owned a bar in Queens.