https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/12/27/big-east-reset-has-marquette-taken-control-of-the-conference/ (https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/12/27/big-east-reset-has-marquette-taken-control-of-the-conference/)
Good analysis.
Six predicted NCAA bids. That would be a big win for the conference, even if they flame out early. Rebuild year and 60% of the conference goes? I'll be happy if 4 are invited, but 6 would be outstanding.
From the story ....
POSTSEASON PREDICTIONS
NCAA: Marquette, St. John's, Villanova, Butler, Seton Hall, Creighton
NIT: Xavier, Georgetown, Providence
OTHER/NO POSTSEASON: DePaul
If this happens, having 9 of 10 teams getting to play post season, would be outstanding for the conference.
Question, is it possible to have all 10 teams play post season?
Quote from: Tower Tops on December 27, 2018, 03:32:46 PM
From the story ....
POSTSEASON PREDICTIONS
NCAA: Marquette, St. John's, Villanova, Butler, Seton Hall, Creighton
NIT: Xavier, Georgetown, Providence
OTHER/NO POSTSEASON: DePaul
If this happens, having 9 of 10 teams getting to play post season, would be outstanding for the conference.
Question, is it possible to have all 10 teams play post season?
That depends, does DePaul consider themselves above a CBI/CIT invitation?
Quote from: Tower Tops on December 27, 2018, 03:32:46 PM
From the story ....
POSTSEASON PREDICTIONS
NCAA: Marquette, St. John's, Villanova, Butler, Seton Hall, Creighton
NIT: Xavier, Georgetown, Providence
OTHER/NO POSTSEASON: DePaul
If this happens, having 9 of 10 teams getting to play post season, would be outstanding for the conference.
Question, is it possible to have all 10 teams play post season?
There would have to be some serious logjamming. Honestly, if we get 3 NIT teams, I think that pretty much guarantees 3-4 NCAA teams. There will be 2-3 teams that win 7 or fewer games. That's happened every year since the league was formed and none of those teams even made the NIT.
It's technically possible, but I don't think it's remotely realistic unless 9 teams are 8-10 or better, which means no one will separate themselves at the top.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on December 27, 2018, 03:59:38 PM
That depends, does DePaul consider themselves above a CBI/CIT invitation?
And the follow up question is, if so, why does DePaul consider itself above the CBI
The thing about the CBI is that it's pay to play. Teams generally lose money so for most power schools it's a jo win situation.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on December 27, 2018, 03:59:38 PM
That depends, does DePaul consider themselves above a CBI/CIT invitation?
Georgetown and Maryland both declined an CBI invitation last year. I think the major conferences have tacitly decided not to participate--the CBI and CIT entrants are almost exclusively from mid-major conferences.
DePaul has one of the best players in the Big East conference. Hard to imagine them not playing in the postseason.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on December 28, 2018, 11:23:45 AM
DePaul has one of the best players in the Big East conference. Hard to imagine them not playing in the postseason.
This explains our tourney appearance with Henry?
While I wouldn't necessarily put money on it, I also would not be surprised if DePaul snuck into the NIT. Strus is the real deal and I could see them having an "up" year with a 7-11 or 8-10 Big East record which would put them at 16-13 or so and certainly in consideration for the NIT, especially with a win or two at the Big East tournament. Will they compete for a Big East title? Of course not, but this is not a doormatt 2-16 DePaul team like we are used to.
Quote from: Coleman on December 28, 2018, 11:44:09 AM
While I wouldn't necessarily put money on it, I also would not be surprised if DePaul snuck into the NIT. Strus is the real deal and I could see them having an "up" year with a 7-11 or 8-10 Big East record which would put them at 16-13 or so and certainly in consideration for the NIT, especially with a win or two at the Big East tournament. Will they compete for a Big East title? Of course not, but this is not a doormatt 2-16 DePaul team like we are used to.
Neither was our team with Henry that went 8-10 and had 20 wins. But that didn't even reach the NIT. And I'd argue that they were better than all but three or four of our NIT teams in program history.
Quote from: geps on December 27, 2018, 12:52:07 PM
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/12/27/big-east-reset-has-marquette-taken-control-of-the-conference/ (https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/12/27/big-east-reset-has-marquette-taken-control-of-the-conference/)
Good analysis.
I mean, it's better than what they posted before the season began...
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/05/22/big-east-conference-reset-perennial-powers-must-reload/
"8. MARQUETTE: The Golden Eagles are 1-for-4 in NCAA tournament seasons under Steve Wojciechowski, and his fifth season looks to be an uphill battle to improve that percentage."
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 28, 2018, 12:38:03 PM
I mean, it's better than what they posted before the season began...
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/05/22/big-east-conference-reset-perennial-powers-must-reload/
"8. MARQUETTE: The Golden Eagles are 1-for-4 in NCAA tournament seasons under Steve Wojciechowski, and his fifth season looks to be an uphill battle to improve that percentage."
HA! Talk about not doing one's homework prior to the season.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 28, 2018, 12:38:03 PM
I mean, it's better than what they posted before the season began...
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/05/22/big-east-conference-reset-perennial-powers-must-reload/
"8. MARQUETTE: The Golden Eagles are 1-for-4 in NCAA tournament seasons under Steve Wojciechowski, and his fifth season looks to be an uphill battle to improve that percentage."
What a lazy, generic write up.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 28, 2018, 12:38:03 PM
I mean, it's better than what they posted before the season began...
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/05/22/big-east-conference-reset-perennial-powers-must-reload/
"8. MARQUETTE: The Golden Eagles are 1-for-4 in NCAA tournament seasons under Steve Wojciechowski, and his fifth season looks to be an uphill battle to improve that percentage."
Different writer but I hope someone reminds that guy about this as the season continues
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 28, 2018, 12:38:03 PM
I mean, it's better than what they posted before the season began...
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/05/22/big-east-conference-reset-perennial-powers-must-reload/
"8. MARQUETTE: The Golden Eagles are 1-for-4 in NCAA tournament seasons under Steve Wojciechowski, and his fifth season looks to be an uphill battle to improve that percentage."
Different authors. Maybe improve the editorial process. But a big part of the problem is Travis Hines just not being knowledgeable about the Big East.
Xavier 2, Butler 7, Marquette 8, St. John's 9. Yikes!
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 28, 2018, 12:38:03 PM
I mean, it's better than what they posted before the season began...
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/05/22/big-east-conference-reset-perennial-powers-must-reload/
"8. MARQUETTE: The Golden Eagles are 1-for-4 in NCAA tournament seasons under Steve Wojciechowski, and his fifth season looks to be an uphill battle to improve that percentage."
Key in that article is who wrote it and where he graduated from.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on December 28, 2018, 01:03:40 PM
Different authors. Maybe improve the editorial process. But a big part of the problem is Travis Hines just not being knowledgeable about the Big East.
Xavier 2, Butler 7, Marquette 8, St. John's 9. Yikes!
UW-Madison grad, and contributor to the Ames Tribune. Exactly the kind of guy we want covering the Beast.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on December 28, 2018, 10:19:31 AM
Georgetown and Maryland both declined an CBI invitation last year. I think the major conferences have tacitly decided not to participate--the CBI and CIT entrants are almost exclusively from mid-major conferences.
Ha I know, just throwing a cheap shot at DePaul
Everyone is still 0-0 in Big East play. The author may end up being more right than wrong. I doubt it, but...
Quote from: Its DJOver on December 28, 2018, 11:35:36 AM
This explains our tourney appearance with Henry?
Marquette turned down a postseason tourament berth in Ellenson's only season.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on December 28, 2018, 08:45:53 PM
Marquette turned down a postseason tourament berth in Ellenson's only season.
Correct, I forgot what powerhouses the CBI draws. Playing in that would have been much more prestigious than no postseason. You should stop posting stupid stuff.
There appears to be four legit NCAA teams in the conference -- Us, Villanova, St. John's and Butler.
Beyond that, who knows. Creighton and Xavier appear to be bubble teams.
Time will tell, but it's very nice to be back in the mix after several years wandering the basketball desert. Here's hoping Wojo is the Moses who leads us to the promised land.
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 28, 2018, 10:09:44 PM
There appears to be four legit NCAA teams in the conference -- Us, Villanova, St. John's Seton Hall and Butler.
Beyond that, who knows. Creighton and Xavier St. John's appear to be bubble teams.
Time will tell, but it's very nice to be back in the mix after several years wandering the basketball desert. Here's hoping Wojo is the Moses who leads us to the promised land.
FIFY
Quote from: Its DJOver on December 28, 2018, 09:24:39 PM
Correct, I forgot what powerhouses the CBI draws. Playing in that would have been much more prestigious than no postseason. You should stop posting stupid stuff.
This is weird. You write that I am correct yet also I should stop posting stupid stuff. I empathize with those who suffer from your confusion on a daily basis.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on December 29, 2018, 11:03:56 PM
This is weird. You write that I am correct yet also I should stop posting stupid stuff. I empathize with those who suffer from your confusion on a daily basis.
There can be correct statements that support really stupid ideas. We cannot always see the curvature of the Earth, but unless you're one of them flat earthers, you know that it is curved.
You are technically correct that when Henry was here Marquette got invited to pay to participate in a postseason tournament, however that does not prevent this
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on December 28, 2018, 11:23:45 AM
DePaul has one of the best players in the Big East conference. Hard to imagine them not playing in the postseason.
from being really stupid.
Basketball is a team sport not an individual one.
Having one of the better players in the conference does not mean that it should be hard to imagine them not playing in a postseason tournament (how'd Stus do today by the way), especially when it is only December.
Despite DePaul being better than they have in recent history, and both X and Gtown being down this year, there is still a very real possibility that DePaul finishes with 6 or fewer Beast wins, and (barring a conference tournament championship) 14 wins will not get you an invite to the postseason NCAA tournament, or the postseason NIT tournament.
Even Depaul is above playing in the CBI.
Any P6 team is above paying to participate in a tournament that last year consisted of Big South, MAAC, Southland, Patriot, Big Sky, WAC, Ohio Valley, Mid-American, C-USA, West Coast, and Summit teams.
Any post that disagrees with the above points is pretty stupid. Again, please try to refrain from posting stupid stuff (I know it's hard for you).
My first year at TAMU they played in the CBI. Talking to some of the staff they had a grand old time. There were a couple of other high major teams that year IIRC. That may have been the last year a high major participated in the CBI.
No high major has participated in the last three years. Despite having a decent start in 2008 (Getting UVA, Cinci, Utah and Washington in only a 16 team touney) it is now considered a mid major only tournament. The most recent high major team was in 2015 when a 15-17 Colorado team lost in the second round. No Beast team has participated since 2012 when Pitt did. Irregardless, when one mentions postseason play, the only tournaments that should be considered (unless otherwise noted) should be the NCAA and NIT. Saying that MU turned down a tournament Henry's year, while technically correct, is wildly misleading.
Vegas 16, I'll never forget you.
I'm not actually sure that Marquette was invited to the CBI Henrys year. We're not listed on the declined invitations for that year.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 30, 2018, 10:53:05 AM
I'm not actually sure that Marquette was invited to the CBI Henrys year. We're not listed on the declined invitations for that year.
I feel like they had already released a statement saying they would declined any tournament less than the NIT so maybe that why they didn't get invited?
Quote from: Its DJOver on December 30, 2018, 02:29:10 AM
No high major has participated in the last three years. Despite having a decent start in 2008 (Getting UVA, Cinci, Utah and Washington in only a 16 team touney) it is now considered a mid major only tournament. The most recent high major team was in 2015 when a 15-17 Colorado team lost in the second round. No Beast team has participated since 2012 when Pitt did. Irregardless, when one mentions postseason play, the only tournaments that should be considered (unless otherwise noted) should be the NCAA and NIT. Saying that MU turned down a tournament Henry's year, while technically correct, is wildly misleading.
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