Buffalo starts 4 guards (6-1, 6-2, 6-3, 6-3) and a forward (6-10). Are we going to insert Chartouny in our starting lineup or are Sam/Joey going to guard a 6-3 guard? We really could have used Elliot in this game. I think we are going to see more Chartouny. We will really need to control turnovers.
Greg would have definitely helped as another body to throw at Massinburg.
We'll see how MU has grown since Indiana. I'm imagining they'll share some similarities with the defensive game plan.
Quote from: denverMU on December 19, 2018, 10:21:08 AM
Buffalo starts 4 guards (6-1, 6-2, 6-3, 6-3) and a forward (6-10). Are we going to insert Chartouny in our starting lineup or are Sam/Joey going to guard a 6-3 guard? We really could have used Elliot in this game. I think we are going to see more Chartouny. We will really need to control turnovers.
I was writing this post in the other Buffalo thread when this thread was being created:
I think we see a lot of small ball in this game to cope with their 5 out offense.
Joey I think gets big minutes and stays on Perkins. If Joey can give him same treatment he gave Dean Wade that takes a big weapon away from them. Ed probably spells him if anybody.
Sammy matches up with Jeremy Harris. He's had a rough shooting start to the year but he shot 42% from deep last season with over 90 makes. This season he is shooting 26% from deep but take away his 4/5 performance against D2 LeMoyne and its an even worse 22%. Can't let this be the game he finds his stroke.
Sacar will get the tall task of slowing down CJ Massingurg. This is the matchup I am most unsure about because the guy is just beast of a player. He has a triple double on the season and his two biggest games were against the two biggest opponents (@West Virginia and @Cuse). I think he will get his but if Sacar can just slow him down that would be huge.
I think Markus gets Jayvon Graves. He's the fourth scoring option but has big game potential with three games of 16 points or more already. Do to him what he did to Trice and keep him from going off.
Finally I'd put Joe on Davonta Jordan. I know Joe had a rough go of it last night but Jordan is the floor general and is prone to some sloppy turnovers. If Joe can channel his inner steals leader of the last two seasons it could completely throw off their offense.
I'm not worried about our ability to stop their half court offense. It's our offense that will win or lose the game for us. We will have a lot of opportunities to create mismatches with this team. We will have a massive height advantage on the wing. This would be the perfect game for Jamal of Bailey to find their stroke from deep. If they don't, run ball switches until you can get one of the Hauser boys matched up on one of their 6"3 wings and fire away. I would try to establish Ed early and often. If he can get some fouls on Perkins then I don't think Buffalo will have the horses to keep up.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 19, 2018, 10:27:25 AM
Greg would have definitely helped as another body to throw at Massinburg.
We'll see how MU has grown since Indiana. I'm imagining they'll share some similarities with the defensive game plan.
I think Buffalo is a lot more similar to Kansas State than Indiana. Sharpshooting 5, undersized 4 who also shoots threes, four guards 6'4" or shorter that play the 1-3, veteran team, focus on forcing turnovers and scoring in transition.
I kinda relish the idea of a pair of 6'3" guards trying to guard Joey and Sam in the post. Buffalo only goes 7 deep, so if we can get a couple of their key players in early foul trouble, a la K-State, it would be big.
Sacar has to have his best game of the year on Friday night.....
His turn to step up.....
Massenberg is Markus.....Just 3 inches taller and stronger.....
Once he see's it go through a couple of times.....He can hit you with 20 in 10 minutes.....
Quote from: denverMU on December 19, 2018, 10:21:08 AM
Buffalo starts 4 guards (6-1, 6-2, 6-3, 6-3) and a forward (6-10). Are we going to insert Chartouny in our starting lineup or are Sam/Joey going to guard a 6-3 guard? We really could have used Elliot in this game. I think we are going to see more Chartouny. We will really need to control turnovers.
Buffalo starts McRae at 6ft 10
Harris at 6ft 7
Perkins comes off bench and plays over 30 minutes a game at 6ft 8.
Buffalo doesn't like working against a half court defense....they can do it no doubt but they'd much rather operate in transition. So the key in my mind is actually MU's offense. If Buffalo is taking the ball out from under the basket a lot more than not I think MU wins comfortably. The key is going to be being patient and working the mismatches that will no doubt there there on the offensive side of the ball......if we win, I think someone named Hauser will be SOTG.
Looking at their roster. Forgot they ended up with Jeenethan Williams, who we were in on recruiting.
Quote from: nyg on December 19, 2018, 11:27:37 AM
Buffalo starts McRae at 6ft 10
Harris at 6ft 7
Perkins comes off bench and plays over 30 minutes a game at 6ft 8.
One thing to note is that Harris and Perkins are less than 200lbs. We control the glass and we've got a good chance
Quote from: HammerScreen on December 19, 2018, 01:39:42 PM
One thing to note is that Harris and Perkins are less than 200lbs. We control the glass and we've got a good chance
I think you mean McRae. Perkins is 250 lbs.
Buffalo is actually pretty good on the offensive glass but they also give up a lot of offensive boards as well. I would say we have the advantage on the glass.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 19, 2018, 02:28:00 PM
I think you mean McRae. Perkins is 250 lbs.
Buffalo is actually pretty good on the offensive glass but they also give up a lot of offensive boards as well. I would say we have the advantage on the glass.
They tore Syracuse up on the offensive and defensive glass. The zone probably impacts that, but I thought Cuse's length would help them do better rebounding.
Sacar, Sam, BB, Joe, Cain, Chartouny will all have to be strong and smart with the ball to combat Buffalo's wild wings.
Quote from: HammerScreen on December 19, 2018, 01:39:42 PM
One thing to note is that Harris and Perkins are less than 200lbs. We control the glass and we've got a good chance
In what I saw they looked like a very good rebounding team. 18 offensive rebounds against Syracuse (I get that the Orange's zone might have contributed). and an overall 48-35 advantage.
Quote from: denverMU on December 19, 2018, 10:21:08 AM
Buffalo starts 4 guards (6-1, 6-2, 6-3, 6-3) and a forward (6-10). Are we going to insert Chartouny in our starting lineup or are Sam/Joey going to guard a 6-3 guard? We really could have used Elliot in this game. I think we are going to see more Chartouny. We will really need to control turnovers.
On the flip side, since we're much bigger/taller and more comfortable in the half court, if we play our usual lineup, or even go bigger with 2 of Theo/Ed/Brendan/Jamal in together often, we could kill them in the paint. Rather than try to adjust our game to theirs, forcing them to go up against an area where we're much stronger should work well.
Personally, I'd love to see a game in the 130-135 point range with plenty of deliberate half court sets. Let Sam and Joey show off those post moves against smaller wings, feed Ed and Theo a ton, and force Buffalo away from their strengths.
Quote from: Wojo's Whiteboard on December 19, 2018, 03:30:08 PM
In what I saw they looked like a very good rebounding team. 18 offensive rebounds against Syracuse (I get that the Orange's zone might have contributed). and an overall 48-35 advantage.
Syracuse may just not be a good rebounding team.
They've also been outrebounded this year by UConn (46-32), Oregon (35-28), Ohio State (31-29), Georgetown (45-34) and Old Dominion (38-33).
The teams they've outrebounded are Eastern Washington, Morehead, Colgate, Cornell and Northeastern. Not exactly murderer's row.
If we are as careless with the ball as we were last night, we'll get hammer dunked out of the gym (obvious caveat, as with all things #mubb 2016-present, is if Markus goes god-mode as he did vs. KState)
If we can protect the ball like we did against UW, I think we'll win by 10
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on December 19, 2018, 04:16:21 PM
If we are as careless with the ball as we were last night, we'll get hammer dunked out of the gym (obvious caveat, as with all things #mubb 2016-present, is if Markus goes god-mode as he did vs. KState)
If we can protect the ball like we did against UW, I think we'll win by 10
UW does not attack the ball in its defense. Most of MUs early TOs last night were steals in the lane by ND. A real concern Friday night.
I think it is possible Jamal gets a few more minutes against Buffalo. Buffalo ran their top 6 guys big minutes against Syracuse . Jamal can provide fresh legs off the bench and length/ defense. Which could be beneficial at the right time. Having him in there with Ed and Bailey could be interesting.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 19, 2018, 06:09:08 PM
I think it is possible Jamal gets a few more minutes against Buffalo. Buffalo ran their top 6 guys big minutes against Syracuse . Jamal can provide fresh legs off the bench and length/ defense. Which could be beneficial at the right time. Having him in there with Ed and Bailey could be interesting.
And he's the only with a neck to match Jeenathan's eh?
Quote from: Pakuni on December 19, 2018, 03:39:58 PM
Syracuse may just not be a good rebounding team.
They've also been outrebounded this year by UConn (46-32), Oregon (35-28), Ohio State (31-29), Georgetown (45-34) and Old Dominion (38-33).
The teams they've outrebounded are Eastern Washington, Morehead, Colgate, Cornell and Northeastern. Not exactly murderer's row.
Isn't that often a function of zone defenses, that they don't rebound as well as man-to-man teams?
Quote from: Nukem2 on December 19, 2018, 04:25:45 PM
UW does not attack the ball in its defense. Most of MUs early TOs last night were steals in the lane by ND. A real concern Friday night.
Yes it will determine who wins Friday - turnovers will be the game. We do not have great ball handlers in the team so must protect it more on Friday. Go Marquette!
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 19, 2018, 10:30:23 AM
I was writing this post in the other Buffalo thread when this thread was being created:
I think we see a lot of small ball in this game to cope with their 5 out offense.
Joey I think gets big minutes and stays on Perkins. If Joey can give him same treatment he gave Dean Wade that takes a big weapon away from them. Ed probably spells him if anybody.
Sammy matches up with Jeremy Harris. He's had a rough shooting start to the year but he shot 42% from deep last season with over 90 makes. This season he is shooting 26% from deep but take away his 4/5 performance against D2 LeMoyne and its an even worse 22%. Can't let this be the game he finds his stroke.
Sacar will get the tall task of slowing down CJ Massingurg. This is the matchup I am most unsure about because the guy is just beast of a player. He has a triple double on the season and his two biggest games were against the two biggest opponents (@West Virginia and @Cuse). I think he will get his but if Sacar can just slow him down that would be huge.
I think Markus gets Jayvon Graves. He's the fourth scoring option but has big game potential with three games of 16 points or more already. Do to him what he did to Trice and keep him from going off.
Finally I'd put Joe on Davonta Jordan. I know Joe had a rough go of it last night but Jordan is the floor general and is prone to some sloppy turnovers. If Joe can channel his inner steals leader of the last two seasons it could completely throw off their offense.
I'm not worried about our ability to stop their half court offense. It's our offense that will win or lose the game for us. We will have a lot of opportunities to create mismatches with this team. We will have a massive height advantage on the wing. This would be the perfect game for Jamal of Bailey to find their stroke from deep. If they don't, run ball switches until you can get one of the Hauser boys matched up on one of their 6"3 wings and fire away. I would try to establish Ed early and often. If he can get some fouls on Perkins then I don't think Buffalo will have the horses to keep up.
against a D2 school to be fair
Defense and rebounding win this one. Feed Ed.
https://cbbtoday.com/mens/battered-big-east-needs-marquette-to-step-up/
No pressure MU... Interesting perspective on the importance of the Buffalo game. Not about matchups but didn't seem worth its own thread.
Quote from: Wojo's Whiteboard on December 20, 2018, 11:16:05 AM
https://cbbtoday.com/mens/battered-big-east-needs-marquette-to-step-up/
No pressure MU... Interesting perspective on the importance of the Buffalo game. Not about matchups but didn't seem worth its own thread.
Nice article.
MU just has to protect the games at home, not like last year with losses to:
Purdue
Georgia
Xavier
Butler
Providence
Villanova
Quote from: Wojo's Whiteboard on December 20, 2018, 11:16:05 AM
https://cbbtoday.com/mens/battered-big-east-needs-marquette-to-step-up/
No pressure MU... Interesting perspective on the importance of the Buffalo game. Not about matchups but didn't seem worth its own thread.
He's not wrong.
I wrote yesterday in a different thread that with Buffalo's win against Syracuse, Friday night became in some ways a no-lose situation. And, for Marquette itself, I think that is still true--while a win would be huge, a loss will not really hurt us.
But, from the perspective of the conference's reputation, I agree with this article's analysis--it is a must-win. In non-conference play this year, the BE as a whole has come up short far more often than in years past, and would greatly benefit from us entering conference play as a rock-solid top 15 team and with a win against a(nother) team that will probably stay in the Top 15-20 most of the year, since they will be favored in every game down the stretch.
Article seems a little dramatic, but I nonetheless found it interesting. And I certainly can't dispute it, even if we're months away from knowing what it all means.
We got this!
Quote from: MUMountin on December 20, 2018, 12:06:40 PM
He's not wrong.
I wrote yesterday in a different thread that with Buffalo's win against Syracuse, Friday night became in some ways a no-lose situation. And, for Marquette itself, I think that is still true--while a win would be huge, a loss will not really hurt us.
But, from the perspective of the conference's reputation, I agree with this article's analysis--it is a must-win. In non-conference play this year, the BE as a whole has come up short far more often than in years past, and would greatly benefit from us entering conference play as a rock-solid top 15 team and with a win against a(nother) team that will probably stay in the Top 15-20 most of the year, since they will be favored in every game down the stretch.
Since this elevates us to the resume building win for the rest of the league, has anyone ever rushed the court after beating Marquette?
Quote from: Bocephys on December 20, 2018, 08:56:02 PM
Since this elevates us to the resume building win for the rest of the league, has anyone ever rushed the court after beating Marquette?
I don't know if it counts as a rushing, but Dukie V loves to tell the story about how he was dancing on the court after his Detroit team beat Al. One of our resident old folks could probably provide more details, but since it's after 9, they're probably in bed and you'll have to wait until tomorrow. Anyone know if Goose or 4ever are still up?
Fascinating thread. We used to lament that we were too small. Now we're worried that we aren't small enough? Or that we're too tall?
We're at home. We're the favorites. And we have the size advantage. Play our game and see how they match up with Sam, Joey, Ed and Theo. Post up, get their 7-man rotation in foul trouble, and spend the night at the line.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 20, 2018, 10:18:29 PM
Fascinating thread. We used to lament that we were too small. Now we're worried that we aren't small enough? Or that we're too tall?
We're at home. We're the favorites. And we have the size advantage. Play our game and see how they match up with Sam, Joey, Ed and Theo. Post up, get their 7-man rotation in foul trouble, and spend the night at the line.
Hopefully Wojo had the team practicing free throws all week
Quote from: Bocephys on December 20, 2018, 10:22:26 PM
Hopefully Wojo had the team practicing free throws all week
They were perfect against ND, including both Sacar and Ed hitting a pair each.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 20, 2018, 10:18:29 PM
Fascinating thread. We used to lament that we were too small. Now we're worried that we aren't small enough? Or that we're too tall?
We're at home. We're the favorites. And we have the size advantage. Play our game and see how they match up with Sam, Joey, Ed and Theo. Post up, get their 7-man rotation in foul trouble, and spend the night at the line.
Amen. I see our height as a big advantage here. If we can slow them down and get them out of their normal rhythm, I think we can control the game.
Not a great matchup for us.
Don't want to compare to KSU because they didn't play well. I think Buffalo will play good.
Home court advantage...but we are inconsistent and turn-overs ugh!
Just not a great matchup...don't feel great about it.
If we get this win, this will be a golden season....loss we can live with but dont want that!
Quote from: Its DJOver on December 20, 2018, 10:01:39 PM
I don't know if it counts as a rushing, but Dukie V loves to tell the story about how he was dancing on the court after his Detroit team beat Al. One of our resident old folks could probably provide more details, but since it's after 9, they're probably in bed and you'll have to wait until tomorrow. Anyone know if Goose or 4ever are still up?
I did go bed and Dickie V as usual, danced to his own babble, alone.