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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Galway Eagle on December 02, 2018, 10:24:50 AM
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I know there's been a thread about this before but couldn't find it. Where does last nights win rank?
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I know there's been a thread about this before but couldn't find it. Where does last nights win rank?
For me? #3
1) Nova
2) Last years WI in WI. I know Wi was beat up but the smack down we put on them was one for the ages. And the highlight of Markus with the throat slash. Never forget it.
3) Last night Kstate
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I know there's been a thread about this before but couldn't find it. Where does last nights win rank?
Villanova
K-State
@Wisconsin (Bo Ryan's last game)
Those would be the top 3 that I recall.
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I think an argument can be made this was his most important win considering context. That being said it’s only a big win if we build on it. If we do I absolutely think that win could be a pivotal game in Wojo’s career because of the style of play and the way it was won
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For me? #3
1) Nova
2) Last years WI in WI. I know Wi was beat up but the smack down we put on them was one for the ages. And the highlight of Markus with the throat slash. Never forget it.
3) Last night Kstate
I agree with this analysis. I also hope that they are all knocked down the list this year. :D
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Hanging 102 in regulation on #7 Creighton at their place 2 years ago.
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Nova was the biggest, but this is in the top two or three.
Of course, they will all be knocked down a peg after April 8 in Minny. ;)
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My pick for top 10 wins of the Wojo era:
10. Year 4 vs Oregon in the NIT
9. Year 3 vs Vanderbilt (24 point blowout against eventual NCAA tournament team in Armed Forces Classic)
8. Year 2 beating Ben Simmons' LSU for the 2K Championship
7. Year 2 at Wisconsin (Bo Ryan's last game against MU)
6. Year 5 vs #12 Kansas State
5. Year 4 vs #13 Seton Hall (20 point coast to coast blowout)
4. Year 2 at #8 Providence
3. Year 3 at #7 Creighton (scored 102)
2. Year 4 at Wisconsin (biggest blowout in rivalry history)
1. Year 3 vs #1 Villanova
Good, not great list. Hope to add a lot more this season
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My pick for top 10 wins of the Wojo era:
10. Year 4 vs Oregon in the NIT
9. Year 3 vs Vanderbilt (24 point blowout against eventual NCAA tournament team in Armed Forces Classic)
8. Year 2 beating Ben Simmons' LSU for the 2K Championship
7. Year 2 at Wisconsin (Bo Ryan's last game against MU)
6. Year 5 vs #12 Kansas State
5. Year 4 vs #13 Seton Hall (20 point coast to coast blowout)
4. Year 2 at #8 Providence
3. Year 3 at #7 Creighton (scored 102)
2. Year 4 at Wisconsin (biggest blowout in rivalry history)
1. Year 3 vs #1 Villanova
Good, not great list. Hope to add a lot more this season
What is glaringly obvious(depressing) that is missing from this list?? I will see how many/if any of you can figure it out...
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What is glaringly obvious(depressing) that is missing from this list?? I will see how many/if any of you can figure it out...
An NCAA tournament win.......just like Buzz and Shaka in the same time frame.
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An NCAA tournament win.......just like Buzz.
Uhhh, pretty sure Buzz has quite a few tourney wins.
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Uhhh, pretty sure Buzz has quite a few tourney wins.
Not in the the time frame we discussing in this list.
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What is glaringly obvious(depressing) that is missing from this list?? I will see how many/if any of you can figure it out...
It's unfortunate. Was hoping the rebuild could go faster than anticipated. We should be in position to win one this season.
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Not in the the time frame we discussing in this list.
And the Egyptians haven't built any pyramids, yet they still exist.
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Wojo’s mentor had exactly zero NCAA Tournament wins in his first four years at Duke. His record was 0-1...same as Wojo’s.
And even in year five (a season where they were top-10 all year), he only got one win.
No - I am not predicting he will be another Coach K. But there certainly seems to be reason for a bit more patience.
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What is glaringly obvious(depressing) that is missing from this list?? I will see how many/if any of you can figure it out...
Killjoy go start a pessimist thread.
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Wojo’s mentor had exactly zero NCAA Tournament wins in his first four years at Duke. His record was 0-1...same as Wojo’s.
And even in year five (a season where they were top-10 all year), he only got one win.
No - I am not predicting he will be another Coach K. But there certainly seems to be reason for a bit more patience.
Careful you slurper. Just because a coach has the same type of start to a career doesn’t prove Wojo is on his way to a HOF career! (Just saving all the chicken littles time. It’s been said. You can put the pitchforks down.)
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And the Egyptians haven't built any pyramids, yet they still exist.
I get it, Egyptians=Buzz. Slaves=JUCOs?
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This was probably the most important win of Wojo's career.
Sure, there have been other fun games, but this one was important because he's playing with his won guys in his own system and the "youthful team" excuse is gone. Plus, he took on the chin games against Indiana University and Kansas.
Had he lost this one, the burners beneath his seat would have been turned up. And, my concern would be that he would have lost some of the fan base that's important to Marquette basketball.
Now, it's on the the rodent game and let's win there too.
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I get it, Egyptians=Buzz. Slaves=JUCOs?
Hahahah, does that make JFB Moses?
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Wojo had several big wins in his 3rd season. We needed all of them -- Nova, Creighton (x2), Xavier (x2), Vanderbilt, Georgia, etc -- to get to the tourney and to show that our program was making progress.
Although I think beating the No. 1 ranked defending natl champs was the biggest of his tenure, I totally get why dgies says this K-State win was No. 1. His reasoning is sound.
After we lost to Indiana, I told all of my MU friends that the Louisville game would be among the biggest -- if not THE biggest -- game of the year. I assumed we would lose to Kansas and that Tennessee would beat Louisville. I knew Louisville was not quite what they have been traditionally, and I thought it would be really important to not start out 0-3 against the 6 good non-con teams we'd face. I also thought it would be really important to not come home from Brooklyn with an 0-fer.
I'm not sure if there was carry-over from that game to K-State, but I do know I sure am glad we found a way to beat Louisville.
Of course, there will be many "big" games this season ... including, hopefully, several in the NCAA tourney.
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Hahahah, does that make JFB Moses?
Yes. Did Moses turn heel after parting the Red Sea? Feel like we should look into this for further JFB parallels.
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An NCAA tournament win.......just like Buzz and Shaka in the same time frame.
You are correct, every single big win on this list has been a regular season win. The thing is, it took Mark no time to figure it out, which means, it is glaringly obvious, to not only him, but everyone. By year five several of his biggest wins SHOULD be NCAA tourney wins.
As far as pointing out that it's equivalent to what Shaka and Buzz did in the same time frame, this isn't bashing you Mark at all, because so many are guilty of it, but I always cringe when people make comparisons like that, as if it's supposed to somehow make it acceptable because it's the same as xxxx?? Further, the past has NO bearing on future results. What happened with xxx Coach at said University, has ZERO bearing on the results Wojo or any other Coach should/could have NOW. The present is what matters.
I liked the win over Louisville, thought K State win was HUGE for many different reasons...but THE game is Saturday. Win that, and all should be okay the rest of the year.
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You are correct, every single big win on this list has been a regular season win. The thing is, it took Mark no time to figure it out, which means, it is glaringly obvious, to not only him, but everyone. By year five several of his biggest wins SHOULD be NCAA tourney wins.
As far as pointing out that it's equivalent to what Shaka and Buzz did in the same time frame, this isn't bashing you Mark at all, because so many are guilty of it, but I always cringe when people make comparisons like that, as if it's supposed to somehow make it acceptable because it's the same as xxxx?? Further, the past has NO bearing on future results. What happened with xxx Coach at said University, has ZERO bearing on the results Wojo or any other Coach should/could have NOW. The present is what matters.
I liked the win over Louisville, thought K State win was HUGE for many different reasons...but THE game is Saturday. Win that, and all should be okay the rest of the year.
Yay, this again! If you look at it objectively he is right on track to where he should be given what he took over. He is building a program for sustained success. That is something Buzz did not have the luxury of doing given who he had when he started and the level of success that helped him get. He had to find quick fills to maintain that success. That all came falling apart like a house of cards his final year here. Fans are great, but also completely blind and not reasonable or rational.
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I liked the win over Louisville, thought K State win was HUGE for many different reasons...but THE game is Saturday. Win that, and all should be okay the rest of the year until I feel like beyotching again at what a loser Wojo is.
FIFY
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You are correct, every single big win on this list has been a regular season win.
Actually the list you quoted contained one postseason win. ;D
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The KState win is a very nice win for this year's team. If they can carry it over and knock Bucky around, the back to back wins could be a turning point for the season. If they fall on their face Saturday, KState wins loses some luster to me. Very happy with win the other day, but feel they need a win against Bucky to get over the hump.
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The KState win is a very nice win for this year's team. If they can carry it over and knock Bucky around, the back to back wins could be a turning point for the season. If they fall on their face Saturday, KState wins loses some luster to me. Very happy with win the other day, but feel they need a win against Bucky to get over the hump.
I agree. KSU is a big win regardless because if they beat Buffalo it will put them at 3-3 in their 6 toughest non con games. However, stacking success and beating UW would really make it feel like things are moving in the right direction and MU could compete for the BE title.
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The KState win is a very nice win for this year's team. If they can carry it over and knock Bucky around, the back to back wins could be a turning point for the season. If they fall on their face Saturday, KState wins loses some luster to me. Very happy with win the other day, but feel they need a win against Bucky to get over the hump.
This man knows of what he speaks...a loss to UW Saturday and the K State win becomes extremely less meaningful that it is right now. It's imperative they win Saturday if they are truly going to go places this year. A loss to Bucky and Ron Wolf's famous quote would be fitting "We were nothing more than a fart in the wind".
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This man knows of what he speaks...a loss to UW Saturday and the K State win becomes extremely less meaningful that it is right now. It's imperative they win Saturday if they are truly going to go places this year. A loss to Bucky and Ron Wolf's famous quote would be fitting "We were nothing more than a fart in the wind".
Well, unless we go on to have an amazing season after that and then the bad performance against UW would be the fart in the wind.
As much as I enjoy beating Bucky and hate losing to them, in the grand scheme of things, it's just one game in 30+ game season.
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TAMU
If the program wants to go to next level this season, it needs to build on it’s success. I have mentioned many times about Crean’s inability to build off FF season and our not building off ‘nova win two years ago. It is time to take things up a notch and let national scene see this team is for real. IMO, I think Saturday is the biggest game in Wojo’s time at MU.
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TAMU
If the program wants to go to next level this season, it needs to build on it’s success. I have mentioned many times about Crean’s inability to build off FF season and our not building off ‘nova win two years ago. It is time to take things up a notch and let national scene see this team is for real. IMO, I think Saturday is the biggest game in Wojo’s time at MU.
If he takes it to the Badgers again it will be a big statement for him and the team. Time to get some momentum.
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1) Best Wojo win since it may be the start of something big. May dig Wojie out of a big hole if he keeps it going.
2) 'Nova win. Great win but the expectations going forward were still low.
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What if our lads beat F%cky but then go 7-11 in the conference? Will that win have gotten MU over the hump?
What if our boys lose to F%cky but then go 15-3 in the conference, win the BET and go to the Elite Eight? Will that loss have kept us from getting to the next level?
I hope we win. I really, really, really hope we win, and I think we will. But I won't be joining guru and a few others on the ledge if we lose.
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I think what everyone is trying to say here is; we need to keep winning. There, it is agreed upon.
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As much as I enjoy beating Bucky and hate losing to them, in the grand scheme of things, it's just one game in 30+ game season.
If you remove the emotional impact that MU fans who live in WI have as being outnumbered 100:1, you're 100% correct - when viewed through the perspective of the whole season this would not be a bad loss on our resumé. It clearly does not impact our ability to recruit, or perform well in the BE, or develop players. From a pure fan base perspective a win would absolutely be great - quality win for NCAA positioning/national ranking and, as you said, it's always good to beat WI.
It is apparent that some have obnoxious in-laws, ex wives, bosses, etc. that make a loss to them personally horrible. But those two perspectives should not be confused. I think we win by 11 (close game until 12 min left when Happ has 4 fouls after 35 minutes of relentless slashing and Theo/Morrow/Heldt) but if we don't win we still have plenty of reasons to be optimistic about both our opportunities in conference and out total resumé for NCAA.
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If you remove the emotional impact that MU fans who live in WI have as being outnumbered 100:1, you're 100% correct - when viewed through the perspective of the whole season this would not be a bad loss on our resumé. It clearly does not impact our ability to recruit, or perform well in the BE, or develop players. From a pure fan base perspective a win would absolutely be great - quality win for NCAA positioning/national ranking and, as you said, it's always good to beat WI.
It is apparent that some have obnoxious in-laws, ex wives, bosses, etc. that make a loss to them personally horrible. But those two perspectives should not be confused. I think we win by 11 (close game until 12 min left when Happ has 4 fouls after 35 minutes of relentless slashing and Theo/Morrow/Heldt) but if we don't win we still have plenty of reasons to be optimistic about both our opportunities in conference and out total resumé for NCAA.
The last two times we beat UW, we didn't make the NCAAs.
The last time we lost to UW, we made the NCAAs.
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My hate of the Badgers is nowhere near the height many of folks on here. It is one game of 30+, but it is against another top 15 ranked team. Beating the Badgers is definitely great, but beating two top 15 teams in a week is making a statement. The game is important in regards to beating a ranked team.
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What if our lads beat F%cky but then go 7-11 in the conference? Will that win have gotten MU over the hump?
What if our boys lose to F%cky but then go 15-3 in the conference, win the BET and go to the Elite Eight? Will that loss have kept us from getting to the next level?
I hope we win. I really, really, really hope we win, and I think we will. But I won't be joining guru and a few others on the ledge if we lose.
Hey, welcome back.
You clearly forgot logic isn't permitted here
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The last two times we beat UW, we didn't make the NCAAs.
The last time we lost to UW, we made the NCAAs.
fingers crossed for an L and a Guru melt down that poisons 5 threads!
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A bigger game is tomorrow night against UTEP.
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A bigger game is tomorrow night against UTEP.
Might even be the biggest game of the season I hear
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What I like about our start so far is that we haven't even really shot well consistently. Look at the percentages of guys like Sam, Markus and Joey.
If we have even a good shooting game (doesn't even have to be great) and keep doing a decent job on defense and the boards, I like our chances agaisnt F%cky.
(And against UTEP first, wades!)
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I hope we keep winning cause there is much less of certain posters on here after wins.
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I hope we keep winning cause there is much less of certain posters on here after wins.
Plus I hate losing more than I like winning, so yes winning is good
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I hope we keep winning cause there is much less of certain posters on here after wins.
Seriously, I've been a Scooper for several years now, and I don't understand why folks who call themselves fans of a team seem "happier" to jibber-jabber on a fan site when things are going bad than when they're going good.
I understand they really want to win and they get riled up when we don't win, but the many optimists among us also really want to win. I completely reject the notion that those who get pissed off and throw things want to win more than those who remain relatively calm.
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Seriously, I've been a Scooper for several years now, and I don't understand why folks who call themselves fans of a team seem "happier" to jibber-jabber on a fan site when things are going bad than when they're going good.
I understand they really want to win and they get riled up when we don't win, but the many optimists among us also really want to win. I completely reject the notion that those who get pissed off and throw things want to win more than those who remain relatively calm.
Misery loves company.
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The last two times we beat UW, we didn't make the NCAAs.
The last time we lost to UW, we made the NCAAs.
It's also been 4 straight years of the away team winning that game. Hopefully we break the streak Saturday.
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MU82
If the boys lay egg against the Badgers, I will not be jumping off any ledge. My hope is they pull off the win and build off of it. Over the many years of watching sports/being a fan, I have learned that teams/programs learn to be successful. It might be beating a once a unbeatable rival in convincing fashion, springing an upset or stringing together a win streak, but there is always a moment that the team/program has a moment that they believe they are for real.
I cannot speak for other Scoopers, but I want the program to knock it out of the park. Saturday is a game with added meaning. IMO, it would be building block that the program has not seen in a half decade. Success feeds off itself, and if this team is for real, a win Saturday would be a great spring board heading into BE play.
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MU82
If the boys lay egg against the Badgers, I will not be jumping off any ledge. My hope is they pull off the win and build off of it. Over the many years of watching sports/being a fan, I have learned that teams/programs learn to be successful. It might be beating a once a unbeatable rival in convincing fashion, springing an upset or stringing together a win streak, but there is always a moment that the team/program has a moment that they believe they are for real.
I cannot speak for other Scoopers, but I want the program to knock it out of the park. Saturday is a game with added meaning. IMO, it would be building block that the program has not seen in a half decade. Success feeds off itself, and if this team is for real, a win Saturday would be a great spring board heading into BE play.
I agree to a point. With Wojo, we've avoided losing to bad teams TOO frequently. We've shown the ability to knock of good teams. But the one thing we've continuously failed to do is build off of big wins. We earned 2 big wins in our last 3 games. We have the opportunity for 2 more in Wisconsin and Buffalo at home. There is an opportunity to win out in the non-conference and if we can do that it will truly feel like we are back.
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Wojo's biggest win? The powerpoint.
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I agree to a point. With Wojo, we've avoided losing to bad teams TOO frequently. We've shown the ability to knock of good teams. But the one thing we've continuously failed to do is build off of big wins. We earned 2 big wins in our last 3 games. We have the opportunity for 2 more in Wisconsin and Buffalo at home. There is an opportunity to win out in the non-conference and if we can do that it will truly feel like we are back.
I agree with this analysis. Tip of the cap to Herman Cain. (This is the crux issue of the Wojo regime thus far - building on good wins. Doing so will provide some evidence that we are legitimately turning a corner.)
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What if our lads beat F%cky but then go 7-11 in the conference? Will that win have gotten MU over the hump?
What if our boys lose to F%cky but then go 15-3 in the conference, win the BET and go to the Elite Eight? Will that loss have kept us from getting to the next level?
I hope we win. I really, really, really hope we win, and I think we will. But I won't be joining guru and a few others on the ledge if we lose.
In my way of thinking it does, because I am looking at 2020 recruiting. There are several excellent players in Wisconsin and both MU and UW have a lot of open scholarships. I believe winning this game is important as far as in state recruiting.
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In my way of thinking it does, because I am looking at 2020 recruiting. There are several excellent players in Wisconsin and both MU and UW have a lot of open scholarships. I believe winning this game is important as far as in state recruiting.
I do not.
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In my way of thinking it does, because I am looking at 2020 recruiting. There are several excellent players in Wisconsin and both MU and UW have a lot of open scholarships. I believe winning this game is important as far as in state recruiting.
The result of individual games are not going to determine where they go. They will go where they feel most comfortable, and they believe gives them the best shot to take their game to the next level. Along with many other factors but those are the two biggest for most people
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I doubt very much if even the most ardent Badger fan, this could be you Andy North, gives much of a chit about beating MU as opposed to beating a conference rival. For some odd reason, Joe Marquette fan has this us vs them mentality with regards to UW, whether its on the court or in the classroom.
For those keeping score at home, we are not them, and they are not us.
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4ever
I cannot believe that anyone believes we are a big time rival to the Badgers. We get mocked for Al comparisons, but at least we know a rival when we see one. It has been a long time since a Badger fan has had MU game circled on the schedule.
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We are one of UWs bigger rivals. Most UW fans know this. Their “biggest?” No. But don’t think it’s just another game for them.
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We are one of UWs bigger rivals. Most UW fans know this. Their “biggest?” No. But don’t think it’s just another game for them.
My Facebook and Twitter feed would back this up. I don’t know if I see another team that fires them up as much as MU. Michigan State was a big one. Iowa too.
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4ever
I cannot believe that anyone believes we are a big time rival to the Badgers. We get mocked for Al comparisons, but at least we know a rival when we see one. It has been a long time since a Badger fan has had MU game circled on the schedule.
Personally, I have found whenever a fan base goes out of their way to say an opponent isn't a rival...that means there is a pretty strong rivalry. If it wasn't a rivalry you wouldn't feel the need to say anything eh?
Last season when Bucky was down, their forum had a thread going with several hundred posts entitled something like "Top 10 reasons why Marquette sucks". Wobder why we were on their mind?
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Yeah. The only people that think UW fans don't consider MU a rival are the chicken little MU fans. There's no question whatsoever that UW fans consider MU a rival.
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This sh*t again?
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TAMU
My comment is based off being around this rivalry for the better part of fifty years. Over the past couple of decades, UW fan base has become more and more arrogant with their athletic success and academic success. When their football team was a joke and their basketball program was equally poor, beating MU was their chance of having anything to brag about. They are a football school that has an accomplished basketball program. No doubt they want to beat MU, but the hate is far less than years past.
One side bar, I do believe that last year Rowsey got the attention of the Badger faithful. Rowsey was the exact kind of guy almost MU fan would have hated if he had been a Badger.
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TAMU
My comment is based off being around this rivalry for the better part of fifty years. Over the past couple of decades, UW fan base has become more and more arrogant with their athletic success and academic success. When their football team was a joke and their basketball program was equally poor, beating MU was their chance of having anything to brag about. They are a football school that has an accomplished basketball program. No doubt they want to beat MU, but the hate is far less than years past.
One side bar, I do believe that last year Rowsey got the attention of the Badger faithful. Rowsey was the exact kind of guy almost MU fan would have hated if he had been a Badger.
Well yeah. That's kind of the nature of rivalries. When one program is doing better, the other one wants to knock them off their pedestal. But that doesn't mean the rivalry doesn't exist. (Which I know you didn't say.)
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Sultan
It has more to do with the overall culture at UW, than the basketball success. Over the past two plus decades UW has approved academically and in athletics. I do not think the rivalry has diminished because of their basketball success, but more due to an overall arrogance.
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New top 3?
1 Nova
2 UW
3 KState
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My pick for top 10 wins of the Wojo era:
10. Year 3 vs Vanderbilt (24 point blowout against eventual NCAA tournament team in Armed Forces Classic)
9. Year 2 beating Ben Simmons' LSU for the 2K Championship
8. Year 2 at Wisconsin (Bo Ryan's last game against MU)
7. Year 5 vs #12 Kansas State
6. Year 4 vs #13 Seton Hall (20 point coast to coast blowout)
5. Year 2 at #8 Providence
4. Year 3 at #7 Creighton (scored 102)
3. Year 5 vs #12 Wisconsin
2. Year 4 at Wisconsin (biggest blowout in rivalry history)
1. Year 3 vs #1 Villanova
Good, not great list. Hope to add a lot more this season
Updated. I still think the biggest blowout in the history of the rivalry is a bigger win then yesterday but it's close. Glad we've added two to the list in the last week. Hope that trend continues
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Yesterday jumps into the top 5.
As much as I loved the blow out last year, yesterday was the best UW-MU game I’ve been too. Back and forth. Kept everyone on the edge of their seats.
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4ever
I cannot believe that anyone believes we are a big time rival to the Badgers. We get mocked for Al comparisons, but at least we know a rival when we see one. It has been a long time since a Badger fan has had MU game circled on the schedule.
According to Evan Flood's online poll about basketball rivalries for UW on Twitter, Marquette is the biggest rival in basketball, followed by Michigan State. 2200 votes. Not iron clad, but a data point.
(http://i66.tinypic.com/2r7luuh.jpg)
https://twitter.com/Evan_Flood/status/1071509256267018240
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The next one.
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According to Evan Flood's online poll about basketball rivalries for UW on Twitter, Marquette is the biggest rival in basketball, followed by Michigan State. 2200 votes. Not iron clad, but a data point.
(http://i66.tinypic.com/2r7luuh.jpg)
https://twitter.com/Evan_Flood/status/1071509256267018240
I think mentioning Michigan State is funny. Does MSU see Wisconsin as one of their main rivals? I'd imagine Michigan, Ohio State, & Indiana are all ahead of them.
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A nice list if wins.... but this win yesterday is more meaningful to our season, following the KS win, than some of the other one-off wins that did not get us in tourney much. Yesterday’s win is a big deal for our season... Go Marquette and keep being Warriors!
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I think Wisconsin ‘18 is the biggest for a number of reasons:
1) inaugural season of the Forum added some juice
2) they were 12th and we’re coming off the win over K State
3) context: he’s now won 3 of 4 from UW
This win seems to signal that we’re back, we’re legit and we have a first class facility that is an amazing venue for big time games.
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I think it’s also big that we have strung together 3 very solid wins (UL, KSU, Badgers).
Last year and the year before we would get a big win or maybe two and follow it up with 3 lame duck losses in a row.
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I doubt very much if even the most ardent Badger fan, this could be you Andy North, gives much of a chit about beating MU as opposed to beating a conference rival. For some odd reason, Joe Marquette fan has this us vs them mentality with regards to UW, whether its on the court or in the classroom.
For those keeping score at home, we are not them, and they are not us.
TAMU
My comment is based off being around this rivalry for the better part of fifty years. Over the past couple of decades, UW fan base has become more and more arrogant with their athletic success and academic success. When their football team was a joke and their basketball program was equally poor, beating MU was their chance of having anything to brag about. They are a football school that has an accomplished basketball program. No doubt they want to beat MU, but the hate is far less than years past.
One side bar, I do believe that last year Rowsey got the attention of the Badger faithful. Rowsey was the exact kind of guy almost MU fan would have hated if he had been a Badger.
I would like to amplify these two comments, having been around this rivalry for around 50 years as well. UW has no natural football rivals. They do have "big " games. Big in the sense they are against a well known rival (Michigan, MSU, OSU etc) and the game is at home. Those opponents do not look at UW football the same way though, rather just as another tough conference opponent. The same circumstance holds true for UW basketball. So the emphasis in their school is on these "big" games.
However, MU is an instate high major and in fact the game with MU is a "rivalry game" even if the two schools are not necessarily rivals . For many years we played them twice a year. While it is not presently a game they circle on the calendar and really look forward to, it does have some bragging rights attached to it and it is important to instate recruiting. That is the nature of relative positioning of the two schools competitively.
For example, In MU's glory days the UW game was an afterthought, beating Notre Dame and DePaul mattered more. However, it was a big deal for UW back in the days of Wes Matthews the elder ,when they beat MU. In part it led to some of their renaissance as a program . MU went through its period of years in the desert in which UW dominated. Since Crean Buzz and now through Wojo its relatively even. However, for the most part during this period UW has been the bigger player on the national stage.
When MU becomes a consistent player on the national scene again, this in state rivalry game will take on great importance to the UW side especially if UW program takes a turn down. That is part of the natural ebb and flow.
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Yeah I don't know. Maybe the 70 year old UW fan crowd doesn't look at MU as a big game, but all of my friends (and UW family) definitely consider it a big game.
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Yeah I don't know. Maybe the 70 year old UW fan crowd doesn't look at MU as a big game, but all of my friends (and UW family) definitely consider it a big game.
The UW board has a 100+ comment thread about how much they really don't care about Marquette rivalry. But I'm sure that's something they do for every other team they play, just a totally normal game, nothing special at all.
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I would like to amplify these two comments, having been around this rivalry for around 50 years as well. UW has no natural football rivals. They do have "big " games. Big in the sense they are against a well known rival (Michigan, MSU, OSU etc) and the game is at home. Those opponents do not look at UW football the same way though, rather just as another tough conference opponent. The same circumstance holds true for UW basketball. So the emphasis in their school is on these "big" games.
I actually think this is part of the problem from the UW perspective. As much as they’d like, they’ll never be the true rivals of any of the traditional powers in the Big Ten, since those schools all have other closer/more natural rivals. In that sense, they have a bit of the ‘little brother’ mentality vis-à-vis OSU/Mich/MSU/IU in that no matter how good they are, they’ll never be treated as the true rival of any of the programs. But they want to be. Right or wrong, that’s who they view as their peer institutions. Minnesota, Illinois, and Iowa would all be more likely to be natural rivals, but none have had enough sustained success for UW to look up to or consider them on equal footing, so I think they currently downplay those rivalries. Same with us.
If the script flips and MU takes over the top perch in Wisconsin in terms of recent national success in basketball, I think it’d be a different question.