Time to start focusing on being All Marquette and not worry about 50 burgers and All American. The CP3 Camp didn't teach him how to dribble with his head up. We need Chartouny to get up to speed in a hurry. Hopefully Wojo will call a timeout to pray with the team after his first made field goal like Bazz did when Mbao made his first field goal in practice. This team needs a point guard.
Touny looked better tonight than the previous games. Grad transfers need some time though.
Totally agree on Markus.
Quote from: PTM on November 14, 2018, 10:12:42 PM
Touny looked better tonight than the previous games. Grad transfers need some time though.
Totally agree on Markus.
Thanks. I'll be honest, I was only able to watch the first 10 minutes of the game and listen to homer for the next 5 minutes of the game. Just tired of not even competing against some mediocre teams.
Needs to decide if he wants to put up numbers or put up wins.
During the B-C game, I was convinced one problem looming or rising up for MU was going to be Howard trying to put up numbers in anticipation of testing the waters next April. I like Markus, I like him getting shots/points in the flow of the offense, he's MU's only real option to get to the basket, but he has the most Ewing Theory potential of an MU player that I can remember.
Oddly, I don't think that's entirely his fault either. He doesn't trust anyone other than Sam (can probably add Joey by year end). To a degree, I think Markus is in a no man's land.
Markus has been and will be the most talented player in the court during his tenure.
Unfortunately, Markus will never be the best player on the court during his tenure
Quote from: PTM on November 14, 2018, 10:12:42 PM
Grad transfers need some time though.
Guess that makes this Fitzner fellow the next Bob Pettit.
Quote from: Mutaman on November 14, 2018, 10:37:58 PM
Guess that makes this Fitzner fellow the next Bob Pettit.
Probably.
Quote from: PTM on November 14, 2018, 10:32:51 PM
Markus has been and will be the most talented player in the court during his tenure.
Unfortunately, Markus will never be the best player on the court during his tenure
Every smart poster on this board knows Sam is #1. Would be great if Wojo knew it.
Quote from: The Lens on November 14, 2018, 11:30:21 PM
Every smart poster on this board knows Sam is #1. Would be great if Wojo knew it.
Wojo knows, but they are 2 very different type players.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 15, 2018, 01:49:25 PM
Wojo knows, but they are 2 very different type players.
Yup. Sam doesn't really hunt his shot. He lets everything come to him and typically makes the smart basketball play. Markus hunts his shot...and hunts his shot...and hunts his shot some more.
I think Joey will be a nice balance. Smart and makes the right play but will hunt his shot when needed/when he's feeling it.
Also, I think Sam is still working to get his legs back, particularly on his perimeter jumper. I hardly ever remember him leaving shots short last year, and this year everything seems to be front iron. Looking forward to him finding his range again.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 15, 2018, 02:30:23 PM
Yup. Sam doesn't really hunt his shot. He lets everything come to him and typically makes the smart basketball play. Markus hunts his shot...and hunts his shot...and hunts his shot some more.
I think Joey will be a nice balance. Smart and makes the right play but will hunt his shot when needed/when he's feeling it.
Also, I think Sam is still working to get his legs back, particularly on his perimeter jumper. I hardly ever remember him leaving shots short last year, and this year everything seems to be front iron. Looking forward to him finding his range again.
Looks a lot more deliberate this year than last as well. It was more catch & fire with little if any wasted motion (Novak-esque). Seems to be more of a wind up this year. Hope that's just rust he'll shake off
I don't think Markus is so self centered that his only focus is the NBA. I thought Ellenson used MU far more than Markus.
but he know he has to show a good handle to make the NBA at 5'10". He helps the Team most off-the-ball except to drive. He helps himself most if he plays Point. I think its a tension.
How anyone can think Markus would make the NBA is laughable. Each year he has regressed in my opinion. Sam is hands down a better player than Markus and it's not even close
Lens and Pilot
I am a big fan of Sam, but am not a believer he is best player on the team. He is not even the best player in his family. Sam would be an outstanding 20-25 minute guy on a great system team. He will struggle getting open looks this season without a PG on the court.
Quote from: Goose on November 15, 2018, 05:50:05 PM
Lens and Pilot
I am a big fan of Sam, but am not a believer he is best player on the team. He is not even the best player in his family. Sam would be an outstanding 20-25 minute guy on a great system team. He will struggle getting open looks this season without a PG on the court.
Goose, I agree Sam is not the best player on the team. I think joey is the best player, and Cain is the most athletic.
I don't understand the love-fest over Markus. Nice player, good shooter, not the answer to this team if he's handling the ball the majority of the time
Sam would start for any team in America. He's an absolute stud.
Quote from: Goose on November 15, 2018, 05:50:05 PM
Lens and Pilot
I am a big fan of Sam, but am not a believer he is best player on the team. He is not even the best player in his family. Sam would be an outstanding 20-25 minute guy on a great system team. He will struggle getting open looks this season without a PG on the court.
Sorry Goose. Sam can play D, Joey cant.
So far through three games it seems like Markus has maybe improved his ball-handling from a 3 to a 4, but far from what it needs to be. He's still a shoot-first SG in the body and role of a PG. I'm hoping we realize this and try playing him with someone that can distribute and create.
I saw at least 5 pick & rolls where Markus just couldn't make the pass... wasn't even looking to the roll man. That was very disappointing because those would have been easy dunks for Theo or layups for matt.
The other thing I didn't see against IU was hustle. He wasn't sprinting to the corner, wasn't cutting hard around screens, and wasn't moving quickly when off the ball. He was mostly walking. I hope that shows up in the film, because he's pretty easy to guard when stationary.
Finally, he never showed "blow by" speed. Admittedly the ball screens were poor most of the time (how hard is it to teach kids to set screens???) but from what I saw he only beat his guy once, and that time the defender recovered to block the shot.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 15, 2018, 06:52:00 PM
Sam would start for any team in America. He's an absolute stud.
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I don't think Markus is selfish or wants to play hero ball, I just think its the only way he knows how to play. He doesn't see certain things.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 15, 2018, 10:25:01 PM
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Sam is a very good player. Probably a borderline top 100 D1 player. He would not, however, start for any team in America.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 15, 2018, 10:34:59 PM
Sam is a very good player. Probably a borderline top 100 D1 player. He would not, however, start for any team in America.
Sam is coming off a sophomore season in which he averaged 14 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, and shot 50% from the field and 49% from the 3 point line as a 6'8" forward who defends well (though not a lockdown defender) and can play the 3, 4, or even small ball 5. And he can play in any system and next to any players. He's not someone that needs the ball in his hands or needs a ton of shots. If he needs to lead a team in scoring he could, if he needs to play good defense, rebound, and hit the catch and shoot 3 he could.
Tyler Herro starts at Kentucky, and does so solely for his shooting. Hauser is not only a much better shooter but also has 3 inches and an infinitely better defender. The only aspect Herro is better than Hauser is in athleticism. I have very little doubt Hauser would start over Herro.
Duke starts Bolden at the 5. If they need his size then Sam comes off the bench there as he's not pushing Barrett/Zion/Redish to the bench, but I have very little doubt that if K had the chance to start Sam in place of Bolden and go with Zion as a point center or Sam as a small five stretching the floor they'd be even better. Bolden is not good, and Sam's shooting with all those slashers? That would be fun to see.
If Legerald Vick continues to shoot 67% from 3 then Sam wouldn't start at Kansas, but given that his coach basically declared him for the draft for him because he couldn't wait to get rid of him immediately after the season ended last year I trust he'll come down to earth.
In terms of talent those are the top 3 teams in the country. Duke he probably doesn't start so my statement is probably wrong. Otherwise I think he starts anywhere else in the country.
I am consistently amazed by how maligned Howard is here. I was also amazed by how maligned Rowsey was here. This board's aversion to scoring PGs is quite odd. Kid has an off night and still scores 18 with 4 assists with an eFG% just under 50%. That's a special player.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 16, 2018, 08:14:40 AM
I am consistently amazed by how maligned Howard is here. I was also amazed by how maligned Rowsey was here. This board's aversion to scoring PGs is quite odd. Kid has an off night and still scores 18 with 4 assists with an eFG% just under 50%. That's a special player.
Loved Rowsey offensively. Always had his head up, very rarely got into a spot on the court where he was trapped with no way out of it, had the ball on a string, always reading the defense. Howard is the complete opposite. Constantly has his head down which results in him getting stuck in double (or quadruple) teams with no way out and has anything but a tight handle. Over half of the time I get the feeling he's already determined what he's going to do with the ball and what move he's going to try to use to do it before he even gets passed half court, no matter what the defense is doing. Rowsey was constantly manipulating the defense.
We need a point guard, whether it's a scoring point guard (Rowsey, but hopefully one who's taller and interested in defense) or "pure" point guard (hopefully Chartouny). Howard is neither. I love Howard...as a shooting guard, because that's what he is.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 16, 2018, 09:11:10 AM
Loved Rowsey offensively. Always had his head up, very rarely got into a spot on the court where he was trapped with no way out of it, had the ball on a string, always reading the defense. Howard is the complete opposite. Constantly has his head down which results in him getting stuck in double (or quadruple) teams with no way out and has anything but a tight handle. Over half of the time I get the feeling he's already determined what he's going to do with the ball and what move he's going to try to use to do it before he even gets passed half court, no matter what the defense is doing. Rowsey was constantly manipulating the defense.
We need a point guard, whether it's a scoring point guard (Rowsey, but hopefully one who's taller and interested in defense) or "pure" point guard (hopefully Chartouny). Howard is neither. I love Howard...as a shooting guard, because that's what he is.
Respectfully Wades, I remember you being at the front of the bash Rowsey train. I recall similar posts about shot hunting and hero ball. I'm too lazy to go back and look it up so I apologize if I'm wrong but that's what I'm recalling.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 16, 2018, 09:22:44 AM
Respectfully Wades, I remember you being at the front of the bash Rowsey train. I recall similar posts about shot hunting and hero ball. I'm too lazy to go back and look it up so I apologize if I'm wrong but that's what I'm recalling.
There were absolutely games, and even a streak of games, where I called out Rowsey for playing horribly. But I believe it was more when he looked disinterested in even being in the arena. I can't remember which 2 games it was, but in the middle of BE play last year I believe he went an entire game with 0 points and then the first half of the next game without scoring, and I believe had plenty of turnovers. But that's why I called him out, he had shown what he was capable of doing. Howard has never shown the ability to manipulate a defense like Rowsey could. Not even close.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 16, 2018, 08:14:40 AM
I am consistently amazed by how maligned Howard is here. I was also amazed by how maligned Rowsey was here. This board's aversion to scoring PGs is quite odd. Kid has an off night and still scores 18 with 4 assists with an eFG% just under 50%. That's a special player.
I don't think of Markus as a scoring point guard. He's a shooting guard with point guard size. He is a phenomenal talent. He's the best pure scorer I've seen in my years of watching Marquette, and that includes Dwyane Wade. Obviously Wade could do things Markus couldn't dream of, but at Marquette his shooting ability never came close to Markus'.
My issue, and it was the same sometimes with Rowsey, is when those guys aren't finding their teammates. When Matt sets a pick and heads into an open lane yet never gets the ball. When Joey is wide open at the arc and Markus takes a contested three. When Cain is getting to the corner where he's nearly automatic and Markus drives into multiple defenders.
The best points I've watched extensively were Travis Diener & Dominic James. Both could score, but were in control of the offense and knew where their teammates were and when to get them the ball. I occasionally saw that from Rowsey and have yet to see it with any consistency from Howard. If that makes me old school, or out of touch with today's game, so be it, but I've also seen that from guys like Jalen Brunson, Khadeen Carrington, Maurice Watson, and virtually everyone to play the point for Ed Cooley.
A point guard's first job every time down the offensive end is decision making. If calling his own number is the best decision because he's open or sees something others don't, fine. But if he's calling his own number when teammates are wide open while he takes a low percentage shot, that I have a problem with.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 15, 2018, 06:52:00 PM
Sam would start for any team in America. He's an absolute stud.
Why limit it to America? Sam Hauser could start for any basketball team in the world. And I'm not just talking about 2018. I'm talking any team ever assembled. Heck, has anyone ever seen Sam try to tag someone on a baseball field? I'm willing to bet he's better at it than Javy Baez.