Why did Matt only get one minute last night when he should be getting more of a bigger role or starting role because of his leadership from being a senior and part of Wojo's system for 4 years.
Wojo is saving him for Azuibuike.
You're telling me that Matt should play over Morrow or theo. C'mon now....
Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on November 07, 2018, 09:53:05 AM
Wojo is saving him for Azuibuike.
That is a good thought. If Matt can shut him down, which he is capable of doing, I can see Marquette having a great game and huge wins over Kansas
Because as Wojo said, UMBC had good shooters at the 4 and 5, and Matt isn't great in space defensively. Theo was also having a good game, and I'd rather experiment with small ball against UMBC than against a better team. Wojo knows exactly what he'll get from Matt when he plays him. He's great in some situations, those situations didn't occur last night.
Cuz he sucks...
Quote from: Marquette4life on November 07, 2018, 09:53:30 AM
You're telling me that Matt should play over Morrow or theo. C'mon now....
Or Joey, who played at least 5 to 6 minutes at the five.
Wojo said it was a matchup issue. Well, ok.
Leadership/tenure has nothing to do with ability as a basketball player.
Quote from: MARQU3TTE4LIFE on November 07, 2018, 09:56:00 AM
Cuz he sucks...
Disagree completely. he provides a lot for this team. Most consistent player on team...
Quote from: Marquette4life on November 07, 2018, 09:58:47 AM
Disagree completely. he provides a lot for this team. Most consistent player on team...
I totally agree with you on this. He provides a lot for this Marquette team on the court and in practice. His senior leadership is great for the younger guys and it helps them improve, while he also helps them get better in practice. He is essential to Marquette basketball.
Saying Matt sucks is nothing but ignorant trolling. Wojo addressed it post game. UMBC's bigs roam the perimeter. Wojo has an abundance of 6'7-6'9 guys who guard in space better than Matt does. I have little doubt against center's who post up a lot, Matt will see plenty of time.
Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on November 07, 2018, 09:53:05 AM
Wojo is saving him for Azuibuike.
We will need Matt, Joey, Ed, Cain and probably Ike to handle Azuibuike. Just keep platooning them in to foul him.
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on November 07, 2018, 10:04:10 AM
We will need Matt, Joey, Ed, Cain and probably Ike to handle Azuibuike. Just keep platooning them in to foul him.
And Brendan, Theo, and Sam. That young man is a load. Meanwhile, QG goes for 20. Who scheduled Kansas anyway?
Quote from: tower912 on November 07, 2018, 10:07:50 AM
And Brendan, Theo, and Sam. That young man is a load. Meanwhile, QG goes for 20. Who scheduled Kansas anyway?
21 actually....
Quote from: Marquette4life on November 07, 2018, 09:53:30 AM
You're telling me that Matt should play over Morrow or theo. C'mon now....
Morrow didn't exactly shine last night. It was probably just some opening night jitters, but after seeing him in the exhibition and now against UMBC, I think he may be a bit of a different player than many here were expecting. His expected minutes may be a bit lower than what was initially assumed.
Theo, on the other hand, was great. He played well, looked like is basketball IQ improved from last year, and was probably the most intense guy on the floor. He definitely earned his minutes.
Quote from: Its DJOver on November 07, 2018, 09:55:34 AM
Because as Wojo said, UMBC had good shooters at the 4 and 5, and Matt isn't great in space defensively. Theo was also having a good game, and I'd rather experiment with small ball against UMBC than against a better team. Wojo knows exactly what he'll get from Matt when he plays him. He's great in some situations, those situations didn't occur last night.
I get setting lineups to match up against opposing teams, but is that really necessary against a cupcake like UMBC? If their 4/5 guys like playing on the perimeter, wouldn't we have an advantage on offense by playing a more traditional big that plays better in the paint? Why not make them adjust their lineup? I could see how giving Matt 8-12 minutes could have thrown UMBC out of whack, giving us additional opportunities.
Quote from: skianth16 on November 07, 2018, 10:24:03 AM
I get setting lineups to match up against opposing teams, but is that really necessary against a cupcake like UMBC? If their 4/5 guys like playing on the perimeter, wouldn't we have an advantage on offense by playing a more traditional big that plays better in the paint? Why not make them adjust their lineup? I could see how giving Matt 8-12 minutes could have thrown UMBC out of whack, giving us additional opportunities.
A traditional big, or a traditional big that will occasionally look for his own shot? Theo is a traditional big and he had a good game, while occasionally posting up and shooting something other than a put back. Even didn't panic when a double came once or twice and got fouled. If Matt sees a double coming, you can bet that the ball is going back out to the perimeter. If last March taught us anything its that you can't overlook any cupcake, so I would expect Wojo to have situational lineups planned for every team on the schedule.
I think Matt will help with Azubuike, he's had success against similar players, though Theo is the only guy strong enough to body him inside. On the other end, Azubuike and Lawson will make driving really difficult.
My big worry with KU is we need to turn the game into a three point contest and hope KU's performance against MSU was an anomaly. However our pieces aren't quite matched. To defend them, we need guys like John, Morrow, Sacar, and Chartouny that have a bit more strength and length. But on offense, we need shooters like Markus, Cain, and Joey that can stretch the floor but might not have the requisite strength to stop them.
Quote from: Matt Heldt The Milk Man on November 07, 2018, 09:52:16 AM
Why did Matt only get one minute last night when he should be getting more of a bigger role or starting role because of his leadership from being a senior and part of Wojo's system for 4 years.
1. Wojo explained it.
B. One shouldn't get playing time just for being a senior. It is a coach's job to put each player in a position to succeed and to help the team most.
3. The fewer minutes Matt plays, it means the better we are at the 5. And that can only be good for the Warrior Eagles.
D. We've played one game. R-E-L-A-X.
5. Thanks for chiming in, Mrs. Heldt.
Quote from: MU82 on November 08, 2018, 06:24:14 PM
1. Wojo explained it.
B. One shouldn't get playing time just for being a senior. It is a coach's job to put each player in a position to succeed and to help the team most.
3. The fewer minutes Matt plays, it means the better we are at the 5. And that can only be good for the Warrior Eagles.
D. We've played one game. R-E-L-A-X.
5. Thanks for chiming in, Mrs. Heldt.
Wojo's come a long way since Year 1 on the job.
I understood Wojo's explanation for not playing Matt much, yet, it is understandable why some feel Wojo didn't exercise good judgement. He's a great kid, everyone likes to play, and giving the kid 5-10 minutes in a blow out doesn't seem too much to ask. 1 Minute is almost like a slap in the face.
#unleashmatt
I feel like a lot of people here are assuming Wojo never talks to Heldt, if so that's a much bigger problem than Heldt only playing one minute.
I'm sure Wojo communicated with Matt plenty this offseason and I'm sure he's completely fine with his role if he's still here.
Most college athletes start their classes in the summer so they're done with their degree in 3 years. Matt could have easily been a grad transfer, really not concerned about his playing time. He seems like a great teammate.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 08, 2018, 08:46:42 PM
I feel like a lot of people here are assuming Wojo never talks to Heldt, if so that's a much bigger problem than Heldt only playing one minute.
I'm sure Wojo communicated with Matt plenty this offseason and I'm sure he's completely fine with his role if he's still here.
Most college athletes start their classes in the summer so they're done with their degree in 3 years. Matt could have easily been a grad transfer, really not concerned about his playing time. He seems like a great teammate.
Most college athletes start their classes in the summer so they can take 12 credits a semester so they can handle being a student while also being a full time athlete. Some student athletes do/can graduate in 3 years. I would say it's far from most of them, though.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 08, 2018, 08:46:42 PM
I feel like a lot of people here are assuming Wojo never talks to Heldt, if so that's a much bigger problem than Heldt only playing one minute.
I'm sure Wojo communicated with Matt plenty this offseason and I'm sure he's completely fine with his role if he's still here.
Most college athletes start their classes in the summer so they're done with their degree in 3 years. Matt could have easily been a grad transfer, really not concerned about his playing time. He seems like a great teammate.
Matt Heldt graduated last May? Nice scoop - I never saw it reported anywhere.
Quote from: Floorslapper on November 08, 2018, 08:25:36 PM
Wojo's come a long way since Year 1 on the job.
We agree, Ners.
Quote from: MU82 on November 08, 2018, 06:24:14 PM
1. Wojo explained it.
B. One shouldn't get playing time just for being a senior. It is a coach's job to put each player in a position to succeed and to help the team most.
3. The fewer minutes Matt plays, it means the better we are at the 5. And that can only be good for the Warrior Eagles.
D. We've played one game. R-E-L-A-X.
5. Thanks for chiming in, Mrs. Heldt.
#3 I so shortsighted....but I'm pretty confident you were well aware of this prior to posting it.
Quote from: MU82 on November 08, 2018, 06:24:14 PM
1. Wojo explained it.
B. One shouldn't get playing time just for being a senior. It is a coach's job to put each player in a position to succeed and to help the team most.
3. The fewer minutes Matt plays, it means the better we are at the 5. And that can only be good for the Warrior Eagles.
D. We've played one game. R-E-L-A-X.
5. Thanks for chiming in, Mrs. Heldt.
Love your 1B3D5....The funny thing is how Scoop was imploding last year about Matt chasing quicker players at the top of the key/ all around the perimeter. These same people don't understand Wojo spelling out, "their best shooter$ on the perimeter are also their biggest players."
Quote from: We R Final Four on November 08, 2018, 11:15:03 PM
#3 I so shortsighted....but I'm pretty confident you were well aware of this prior to posting it.
Not sure "shortsighted" is the right word. It's just my opinion, and maybe I didn't articulate it very well.
There will be games we need Heldt more and games, like Tuesday, we need him less.
I think most of us agree that Heldt is pretty good at what he can do on the court but that he isn't an overly talented college basketball player. And it's my opinion that if Theo and "5-ish" players such as Joey and Ed are good enough to take away most of Matt's playing time, it means we have improved as a team.
I hate to unleash a name that could get Ners going again, but to me Matt is kind of a center version of Derrick Wilson. There is a place for him on the team, a role for him to play. But if he's playing 20, 25, 30 minutes most games, it means we don't have enough other good players at his position, and that limits our chances.
Take away the 5-10 games in which we need more size and more fouls to combat a true big, and I wouldn't be surprised if Joey averages more minutes at the 5 than Matt does in the other 20-25 games.
If Theo gets in foul trouble at the "5" and Wojo puts in Matt, and not Ed/Joey, (therefore Matt is getting minutes) I don't think that we are a worse basketball team.
Your initial statement states that if matt's Minutes get fewer and fewer, that will be most beneficial for this team. I disagree and think Wojo does as well. His minutes maybe less than last year, but to imply that the closer Matt gets to not playing will be best for this team is shortsighted.
Matt will play a vital role on this team this year.
If Matt is getting less minutes because better players are getting minutes were are a better team. I believe that's what MU82 is saying. That's true of any player. If Markus got less minutes because we got a better player taking his minutes we'd be a better team.
Quote from: MU82 on November 09, 2018, 07:11:06 AM
Not sure "shortsighted" is the right word. It's just my opinion, and maybe I didn't articulate it very well.
There will be games we need Heldt more and games, like Tuesday, we need him less.
I think most of us agree that Heldt is pretty good at what he can do on the court but that he isn't an overly talented college basketball player. And it's my opinion that if Theo and "5-ish" players such as Joey and Ed are good enough to take away most of Matt's playing time, it means we have improved as a team.
I hate to unleash a name that could get Ners going again, but to me Matt is kind of a center version of Derrick Wilson. There is a place for him on the team, a role for him to play. But if he's playing 20, 25, 30 minutes most games, it means we don't have enough other good players at his position, and that limits our chances.
Take away the 5-10 games in which we need more size and more fouls to combat a true big, and I wouldn't be surprised if Joey averages more minutes at the 5 than Matt does in the other 20-25 games.
Disagree with the bolded. The one area where I believe that Matt is the best on the team is traditional post defense. UMBC had little-to-no back to the basket players. Even against teams that don't have the post presence of Kansas, we will play teams that have back to the basket players, and Matt will get minutes against them. He will see his average minutes go down, but I would still guess that he has more games with 20+ minutes than he has with less than 5.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 09, 2018, 07:35:33 AM
If Matt is getting less minutes because better players are getting minutes were are a better team. I believe that's what MU82 is saying. That's true of any player. If Markus got less minutes because we got a better player taking his minutes we'd be a better team.
I took it to mean the closer Matt's minutes approach zero(fewer and fewer) its better for the team.
Matt has a role on this team, and I disagree that the best thing for this team is when he doesn't play.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 09, 2018, 07:35:33 AM
If Matt is getting less minutes because better players are getting minutes were are a better team. I believe that's what MU82 is saying. That's true of any player. If Markus got less minutes because we got a better player taking his minutes we'd be a better team.
Thank you for saying this better than I did, and in a lot fewer words.
Quote from: We R Final Four on November 09, 2018, 07:42:31 AM
I took it to mean the closer Matt's minutes approach zero(fewer and fewer) its better for the team.
Matt has a role on this team, and I disagree that the best thing for this team is when he doesn't play.
See above response to TAMU.
Look no further than this thread for confirmation that not only do the players actually read Scoop, but they participate as well.
Quote from: Benny B on November 09, 2018, 09:20:17 AM
Look no further than this thread for confirmation that not only do the players actually read Scoop, but they participate as well.
Yes......I am The Milkman.
Matt is a known quantity. His strengths and weaknesses as a player are established. More variables/unknowns/questions about Theo, Joey or Ed at the 5. Positive answers to those questions = less time for Matt and good news for the team. Simple, no?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 09, 2018, 09:51:21 AM
Matt is a known quantity. His strengths and weaknesses as a player are established. More variables/unknowns/questions about Theo, Joey or Ed at the 5. Positive answers to those questions = less time for Matt and good news for the team. Simple, no?
Superbly stated.
Matt shut down Ethan Happ last year without a double team - so he's proved that he can do well against traditional post players. But now that Theo has shown he can be on the floor for more than 5 minutes without fouling out, Matt's role is clearly diminished. Add in Morrow and Joey playing the 5 part-time and you can see why Matt's role is limited. We have a luxury of more than just one taller, bigger, tougher player and we should rejoice in that. It's not meant as a slight to Matt.
Also the luxury of having 20 fouls to give against a guy like Aizubuike will, I hope, reduce the probability of total embarrassment in NY.
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on November 09, 2018, 01:54:20 PM
Also the luxury of having 20 fouls to give against a guy like Aizubuike will, I hope, reduce the probability of total embarrassment in NY.
You really think we'll beat Kansas that decisively?