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Title: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on October 30, 2018, 06:44:27 PM
The season is (almost) here!!!

Let's feast tonight, and no one is in a walking boot tomorrow. 

Brendan for SOTG.

GO WARRIORS!!!!!
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: Newsdreams on October 30, 2018, 06:49:26 PM
Quote from: real chili 83 on October 30, 2018, 06:44:27 PM
The season is (almost) here!!!

Let's feast tonight, and no one is in a walking boot tomorrow. 

Brendan for SOTG.

GO WARRIORS!!!!!
I say Markus (conservative call)
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: Jay Bee on October 30, 2018, 06:52:48 PM
...aaaaaand we're back!

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=chat
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: MUBigDance on October 30, 2018, 06:53:00 PM
Didn't think about it before but that boot thing is scary. Deep team but an injury against Carroll to one of 6 or 7 guys would be a real downer.
its a game of feet ankles knees and elbows.

Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on October 30, 2018, 06:59:54 PM
These dudes on the stream have no idea their golf convo is being aired for all to hear.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: Jay Bee on October 30, 2018, 07:01:05 PM
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on October 30, 2018, 06:59:54 PM
These dudes on the stream have no idea their golf convo is being aired for all to hear.

I know! Praying for some naughty comments!!
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on October 30, 2018, 07:01:49 PM
Quote from: Jay Bee on October 30, 2018, 07:01:05 PM
I know! Praying for some naughty comments!!
Thought for sure it would happen
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: tower912 on October 30, 2018, 07:02:24 PM
Blocked at work.     Rooting for no more injuries. 
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: JGlow12 on October 30, 2018, 07:04:00 PM
It seems like the stream is unavailable overseas. Shame.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on October 30, 2018, 07:14:21 PM
Don't live in Wisconsin, so never really listened to Homer.

He's awful.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: MUEng92 on October 30, 2018, 07:17:28 PM
we are awful.  The season is a waste. 
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: muguru on October 30, 2018, 07:18:26 PM
Link to the video stream??
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on October 30, 2018, 07:18:53 PM
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on October 30, 2018, 07:14:21 PM
Don't live in Wisconsin, so never really listened to Homer.

He's awful.
Wrong.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on October 30, 2018, 07:22:11 PM
Holy sheet. Lots of rust
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: NickelDimer on October 30, 2018, 07:27:22 PM
Quote from: muguru on October 30, 2018, 07:18:26 PM
Link to the video stream??
https://gomarquette.com/watch/?Live=33&type=Live
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: warriorchick on October 30, 2018, 07:31:25 PM
Did I miss something? Theo isn't in uniform.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: GoldenEagle323 on October 30, 2018, 07:31:30 PM
Lots of fouls, but so far the defense i think looks better
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: MUEng92 on October 30, 2018, 07:33:06 PM
MY EYES....MY EYES!!!

This is not a display of superior talent
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: BM1090 on October 30, 2018, 07:34:00 PM
This is why we have exhibition games lol
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: warriorchick on October 30, 2018, 07:36:13 PM
Quote from: warriorchick on October 30, 2018, 07:31:25 PM
Did I miss something? Theo isn't in uniform.
NM I just saw the other thread.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: mu_hilltopper on October 30, 2018, 07:40:25 PM
Quote from: real chili 83 on October 30, 2018, 07:22:11 PM
Holy sheet. Lots of rust

Rust? Well, I suppose these guys haven't touched a ball in 9 months.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: fjm on October 30, 2018, 07:41:55 PM
Tarps over half the student section. What's the deal? Just for this game I'm thinking?
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: MUEng92 on October 30, 2018, 07:43:48 PM
I hope this is the only 0-8 3pt shooting start MU has this season
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: Floorslapper on October 30, 2018, 07:44:40 PM
Book it:  Rowsey is missed and our offense will take a significant step back this season.  This is a Division 3 team we are playing.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: mu_hilltopper on October 30, 2018, 07:44:55 PM
Man, I think we would totally dominate the Frontier Conference.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: MUEng92 on October 30, 2018, 07:48:34 PM
New short term rule. Only Joey shoots
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: Bad_Reporter on October 30, 2018, 07:51:48 PM
Joey looks good. 

Marcus, and JC, not so much
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 30, 2018, 07:52:39 PM
Quote from: Floorslapper on October 30, 2018, 07:44:40 PM
Book it:  Rowsey is missed and our offense will take a significant step back this season.  This is a Division 3 team we are playing.

Lollllllllll
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: DJO's Jaw on October 30, 2018, 07:52:48 PM
Sacar is playing pretty well on offense.
Joe C can really pass. He's going to be a real good facilitator this year.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on October 30, 2018, 07:53:09 PM
I'm very happy to actually be able to watch an exhibition game, but I really don't need to see instant replays when there is no stop in the action. I want to see Marquette on defense, too.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: BM1090 on October 30, 2018, 07:54:06 PM
Playing a lot better now just missing open shots
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on October 30, 2018, 07:56:39 PM
Quote from: DJO's Jaw on October 30, 2018, 07:52:48 PM
Sacar is playing pretty well on offense.
Joe C can really pass. He's going to be a real good facilitator this year.

hes thrown it away on some stupid full court and skip passes.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on October 30, 2018, 07:57:39 PM
so far Sacar is the only one playing like hes adjusted to the new arena in my opinion
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: Floorslapper on October 30, 2018, 07:59:15 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on October 30, 2018, 07:52:39 PM
Lollllllllll

Guarantee we won't finish 9th (or better) in O-Efficiency Pomeroy predicts.  We were 12th last year.  Doubt we will be Top 25 on O.

Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: MUBigDance on October 30, 2018, 07:59:40 PM
offense - all bad except sacar and matt. joey ok but not a factor...who is
defense - cant tell. were playing a d3 not-so-good team

and is gruber related to one-call?
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: Jockey on October 30, 2018, 08:01:22 PM
Quote from: MUpilot on October 30, 2018, 07:51:48 PM
Joey looks good. 

Marcus, and JC, not so much

Marcus is not a PG

Sacar and Joey were the 2 best players on the floor in the 1st half.

Joey is gonna be really, really good.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: muwarrior69 on October 30, 2018, 08:02:02 PM
Quote from: NickelDimer on October 30, 2018, 07:27:22 PM
https://gomarquette.com/watch/?Live=33&type=Live

Thank You!
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: Jay Bee on October 30, 2018, 08:02:50 PM
Bad news: #mubb with 9 turnovers and 2/12 from deep. Good news: defensive eFG% was 37.5%.. would have been second best all of last year. #CrownThem
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: Tha Hound on October 30, 2018, 08:04:43 PM
Quote from: Floorslapper on October 30, 2018, 07:44:40 PM
Book it:  Rowsey is missed and our offense will take a significant step back this season.  This is a Division 3 team we are playing.

Lmao relax dude
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: muwarrior69 on October 30, 2018, 08:05:31 PM
Quote from: Floorslapper on October 30, 2018, 07:44:40 PM
Book it:  Rowsey is missed and our offense will take a significant step back this season.  This is a Division 3 team we are playing.

Markus and Sam will find their shot. What do you expect. Beat them by 60.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: Jay Bee on October 30, 2018, 08:05:50 PM
We need Homer posting on this board all day.. if he's not already
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: nyg on October 30, 2018, 08:06:07 PM
Joe C had one bad pass, but can get ball to inside.  No clue on outside shot.

A lot of Bailey pre season hype, but wow Joey is gonna be real good.  Watch how he handles the ball outside the arc.

Everyone else, it's like a practice and no judgement whatsoever.   Wojo used 9 players in first 4:30, so no sense at starters. 
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: fjm on October 30, 2018, 08:07:31 PM
Quote from: Floorslapper on October 30, 2018, 07:59:15 PM
Guarantee we won't finish 9th (or better) in O-Efficiency Pomeroy predicts.  We were 12th last year.  Doubt we will be Top 25 on O.

WOW!!! We lose our best offensive player and that's your prediction? Very bold!
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: Jay Bee on October 30, 2018, 08:13:00 PM
Quote from: nyg on October 30, 2018, 08:06:07 PM
Joe C had one bad pass, but can get ball to inside.  No clue on outside shot.

A lot of Bailey pre season hype, but wow Joey is gonna be real good.  Watch how he handles the ball outside the arc.

Everyone else, it's like a practice and no judgement whatsoever.   Wojo used 9 players in first 4:30, so no sense at starters.

There's a reason why my sig has been what it is for so long. Joey is soooo legit. Only injuries can hold him back.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: esotericmindguy on October 30, 2018, 08:14:03 PM
Quote from: fjm on October 30, 2018, 08:07:31 PM
WOW!!! We lose our best offensive player and that's your prediction? Very bold!

He was also an awful defender. Morrow will take some of Heldt's minutes and Joey/Bailey will take some of Sacar's minutes. Both of those options will be much better on offensive end. Offense isn't a concern for me, 4 guys who can shoot with Theo/Morrow/Heldt working the boards.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: MUEng92 on October 30, 2018, 08:14:11 PM
I thought JC had two long, bad passes
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: Floorslapper on October 30, 2018, 08:17:25 PM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on October 30, 2018, 08:05:31 PM
Markus and Sam will find their shot. What do you expect. Beat them by 60.

I expect Markus and Sam will have some regression in their 3 point shooting percentage this year, due to not having Rowsey on the floor.  They still should be good, but, no doubt finding looks against high major D-1 players is going to be more difficult this season without Rowsey.

Joe C will be a much better defender than Rowsey, but he's a HUGE step back offensively.  No ability to breakdown a defender off the dribble, as could Rowsey.

Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: fjm on October 30, 2018, 08:18:09 PM
Quote from: esotericmindguy on October 30, 2018, 08:14:03 PM
He was also an awful defender. Morrow will take some of Heldt's minutes and Joey/Bailey will take some of Sacar's minutes. Both of those options will be much better on offensive end. Offense isn't a concern for me, 4 guys who can shoot with Theo/Morrow/Heldt working the boards.

Yep. Agreed. But since MU wasn't winning by 30, 5 min into first game, Ners has complaints.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: MUEng92 on October 30, 2018, 08:25:38 PM
Quote from: MUEng92 on October 30, 2018, 07:17:28 PM
we are awful.  The season is a waste. 
we are awesome. MU is going to the Final Four
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: Tha Hound on October 30, 2018, 08:30:33 PM
Its very clear that Joey is much more athletic/smooth than Sam. He is going to be huge, I have very little doubt.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: nyg on October 30, 2018, 08:36:52 PM
Said earlier, no clue on Joe C outside shot.  He just had two wide opens, but just like paused and didn't shoot.  Wide open.  Maybe first game jitters, but he needs to shoot those.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on October 30, 2018, 08:43:31 PM
Quote from: nyg on October 30, 2018, 08:36:52 PM
Said earlier, no clue on Joe C outside shot.  He just had two wide opens, but just like paused and didn't shoot.  Wide open.  Maybe first game jitters, but he needs to shoot those.
Agreed. It might take a little bit with him to get fully acclimated but he's got great vision out there.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: GoldenEagle323 on October 30, 2018, 09:04:32 PM
Full box score??
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on October 30, 2018, 09:11:53 PM
Quote from: Jay Bee on October 30, 2018, 08:13:00 PM
There's a reason why my sig has been what it is for so long. Joey is soooo legit. Only injuries can hold him back.

+1. Offensively he was very smooth - looked like our most polished and versatile player.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: Marcus92 on October 30, 2018, 09:19:01 PM
Joey's back-to-back scores in the first half -- a three in the corner and a turnaround jumper near the block -- were sweet.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 31, 2018, 07:16:55 AM
Quote from: Floorslapper on October 30, 2018, 07:44:40 PM
Book it:  Rowsey is missed and our offense will take a significant step back this season.  This is a Division 3 team we are playing.

So what happened last year when we had a worse offensive game against Lindenwood?  Did our offense end up sucking?

You may end up being right,  but 5 minutes of an exhibition is not good evidence.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on October 31, 2018, 09:56:07 AM
Quote from: Floorslapper on October 30, 2018, 08:17:25 PMJoe C will be a much better defender than Rowsey, but he's a HUGE step back offensively.  No ability to breakdown a defender off the dribble, as could Rowsey.

He's better at putting the ball where it needs to be for shooters and is always looking to find teammates. He's not the scorer Rowsey was, but he will be a better offensive teammate for Howard and Hauser.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: GGGG on October 31, 2018, 10:13:37 AM
I don't think anyone thought that JC would be able to replace AR's offensive production.

He has been brought in to be a distributor and a defender.  I expect him to be better than AR in those roles.  (SIGNIFICANTLY better defensively.)

Marquette has plenty of offensive weapons.  Not concerned about scoring in the least.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 31, 2018, 10:30:58 AM
The only place I think we'll see a difference in is late in shot clock situations.  I'm not sure anyone other than Howard has the ability to go and create a shot, and Howard has the tendency to drive head down into 5 people in the lane with no real plan other than throw something up and hope a foul is called.  Rowsey was great at leaving Howard and Hauser on the wings, calling for a high ball screen, and either finding a shot, getting a defender in the air and drawing a foul, or dishing for a late catch and shoot for a teammate.  The problem was he fell in love with that and would start doing that with Heldt setting a pick with 15 seconds left on the shot clock, would get blocked off, and then would reset and try it again, and again, and again until it WAS a late shot clock situation.
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on October 31, 2018, 10:37:57 AM
Quote from: wadesworld on October 31, 2018, 10:30:58 AM
The only place I think we'll see a difference in is late in shot clock situations.  I'm not sure anyone other than Howard has the ability to go and create a shot, and Howard has the tendency to drive head down into 5 people in the lane with no real plan other than throw something up and hope a foul is called.  Rowsey was great at leaving Howard and Hauser on the wings, calling for a high ball screen, and either finding a shot, getting a defender in the air and drawing a foul, or dishing for a late catch and shoot for a teammate.  The problem was he fell in love with that and would start doing that with Heldt setting a pick with 15 seconds left on the shot clock, would get blocked off, and then would reset and try it again, and again, and again until it WAS a late shot clock situation.

The other (nitpicky) thing I hoped Markus would get better at this year is staying on his feet through contact.  Every damn time he slashes to the rim he ends up on his butt out of bounds.  This is terrible for 2 reasons - 1) he is completely out of position to play defense or get a rebound, and 2) he's going to hurt himself throwing himself on the floor consistently (which he has already dealt with hip and tailbone injuries from this).  Stay on your feet young man!
Title: Re: College of Carroll Game Thread
Post by: skianth16 on October 31, 2018, 10:39:07 AM
Quote from: wadesworld on October 31, 2018, 10:30:58 AM
The only place I think we'll see a difference in is late in shot clock situations.  I'm not sure anyone other than Howard has the ability to go and create a shot, and Howard has the tendency to drive head down into 5 people in the lane with no real plan other than throw something up and hope a foul is called.  Rowsey was great at leaving Howard and Hauser on the wings, calling for a high ball screen, and either finding a shot, getting a defender in the air and drawing a foul, or dishing for a late catch and shoot for a teammate.  The problem was he fell in love with that and would start doing that with Heldt setting a pick with 15 seconds left on the shot clock, would get blocked off, and then would reset and try it again, and again, and again until it WAS a late shot clock situation.

Howard got more comfortable creating his own shot last year, and I expect he'll continue to  improve this year. But I think Sacar may still be better than him at this, and it looks like Joey will be able to create for himself as well. Bailey will probably get there too but still has some work to do (based on last night's performance).

With Chartouny's ability to distribute, and then having a few more guys who can get to the basket, we should have options this year that don't require us to rely so much on Markus forcing a shot.
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