Ts and Ps to victims and their families.
Surprised Pitt and Duke are playing football this afternoon.
Quote from: jesmu84 on October 27, 2018, 01:16:01 PM
Ts and Ps to victims and their families.
Yes, thoughts and prayers to those people. Anti-semitism has no place.
At least the creep was still able to joke this afternoon that he almost had to cancel his rally today - he was having a bad hair day.
Mass shootings don't even register.
Quote from: Jockey on October 27, 2018, 05:26:54 PM
At least the creep was still able to joke this afternoon that he almost had to cancel his rally today - he was having a bad hair day.
Mass shootings don't even register.
And you had to go there and make it political. Congratulations
Quote from: Jockey on October 27, 2018, 05:26:54 PM
At least the creep was still able to joke this afternoon that he almost had to cancel his rally today - he was having a bad hair day.
Mass shootings don't even register.
seriously?? gotta be a cop protest somewhere near by to keep ya busy :(
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 27, 2018, 05:34:50 PM
seriously?? gotta be a cop protest somewhere near by to keep ya busy :(
First part, yes. Second part, you aren't helping. :'(
Quote from: WarriorDad on October 27, 2018, 05:29:29 PM
And you had to go there and make it political. Congratulations
I think this is more political than Jockey. I only see facts in his post
Another sad day.
Maybe it would be a good thing to not identify neo-Nazis marching with torches and chanting anti-Semitic slogans as "very fine people."
But hey ... let's go with prayers and thoughts this time ... maybe changing up the order will make it less likely to happen again.
Mike, serious question:
What are your thoughts about this tragedy and how does it make you feel as you reflect on your past and youth?
Quote from: WarriorDad on October 27, 2018, 02:47:27 PM
Anti-semitism has no place.
on the contrary - there are plenty of places for hate and bigotry of all kinds. It's the worst part of humanity but anti-semitism, homophobia, xenophobia, misogamy, etc. has "a place" in America. Sometimes on airplanes, or restaurants, or WalMart parking lots at night, or political rallies, or twitter, or defending hate speech as a "1A issue", or online fan forums, etc, etc. Lots of people make excuses and space for hate.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 27, 2018, 07:17:25 PM
Mike, serious question:
What are your thoughts about this tragedy and how does it make you feel as you reflect on your past and youth?
One of these days, I am going to have to clean one of these catastrophes up. I have already had to declare a shooting victim dead in order to move on to one soon to die, as dispatch had given us bad information and nobody knew it was a double murder suicide until I got there in my big red truck. I moved the shooter's hand away, still with a pulse in it though the third bullet had gone through his head, a fact I am eternally grateful for because it meant that he did not keep firing at unaware first responders showing up, away from the gun, then pulled him out of the minivan and began administering CPR. I have also been at one of two scenes where a shooter off his meds decided to kill a total of 7 people. Going in with cops covering me to declare the obvious, that the victims were deceased.
But I haven't gone to a big one yet. My department and the surrounding police agencies have table topped a version of Aurora 2.0. We have actually gone in and practiced going in with officers covering us and removing victims, a la Parkland 2.0. But the roulette wheel for another mass killing has not landed on my community yet. If/when it does, and if I am one of the responders who have to clean up a dozen dead, I will, after I have processed quite a bit and made sure I mean what I am saying, will get my self suspended with a political rant to end all political rants.
So, thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families. Thoughts and prayers to the responders who will never be able to shake the memories of what they saw today. And tomorrow, I will go to work and wait for the next one.
Quote from: naginiF on October 27, 2018, 07:43:17 PM
on the contrary - there are plenty of places for hate and bigotry of all kinds. It's the worst part of humanity but anti-semitism, homophobia, xenophobia, misogamy, etc. has "a place" in America. Sometimes on airplanes, or restaurants, or WalMart parking lots at night, or political rallies, or twitter, or defending hate speech as a "1A issue", or online fan forums, etc, etc. Lots of people make excuses and space for hate.
Especially when enabled from the very top.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on October 27, 2018, 07:59:49 PM
Especially when enabled from the very top.
C'mon man, that's total bullchit and you know it. Anti-semitism, hate crimes, and terrorism of all types has been part of this planet since Adam and Eve. Irresponsible statements like yours won't go unchecked.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 27, 2018, 08:20:07 PM
C'mon man, that's total bullchit and you know it. Anti-semitism, hate crimes, and terrorism of all types has been part of this planet since Adam and Eve. Irresponsible statements like yours won't go unchecked.
My statement is accurate. If you want to ignore all evidence that supports it, you can remain ignorant.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 27, 2018, 08:20:07 PM
C'mon man, that's total bullchit and you know it. Anti-semitism, hate crimes, and terrorism of all types has been part of this planet since Adam and Eve. Irresponsible statements like yours won't go unchecked.
Reports of anti-Semitic hate crimes rose 35 percent in 2016.
Then they rose 60 percent on top of that in 2017.
Coincidence? Of course not.
Does the current occupant of the WH encourage these attacks? I don't think so.
But does his rhetoric embolden these people? Does him saying a white supremacist march included some "very fine people" energize them? Does his incessant effort to make white men feel aggrieved create a more dangerous atmosphere?
The facts say the answer to those questions is yes.
this is about humanity, not politics. check towers statement-with the utmost respect tower, that has got to be one of the most difficult situations to be in from top to bottom. to have the ability to check your emotions at the door and try to save the scum bag(too kind of a word)who perpetrated the hate. unreal! and God bless ya! that is a perspective hopefully none of us have to realize
yes i know the guy shouted "all jews must die" and proceeded to shoot. at that moment, nothing else matters but the humanity lost, their loved ones and everyone else. humanity has no color race or creed. it's human life-period and it's a tragedy. another example of the devil incarnate among us. unfortunately, we are going to hear the same ole blather about blame this and blame that...it doesn't matter. those who try to politicize this, don't get it. if they cannot put away their politics for at least the moment, they are part of the problem unfortunately, evil will always find a way.
like tower, the police didn't finish this guy off, even after he was shooting at them-that is recognizing humanity; good/bad/indifferent
t's and p's flying all over the place-constant reminder they're always needed
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on October 27, 2018, 08:25:38 PM
My statement is accurate. If you want to ignore all evidence that supports it, you can remain ignorant.
Never have been ignorant, and certainly not now. What's it like?
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on October 27, 2018, 07:59:49 PM
Especially when enabled from the very top.
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Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 27, 2018, 08:38:01 PM
Never have been ignorant, and certainly not now. What's it like?
Oh please. Who'd you vote for in 2016? Case closed.
Go back to speaking in jibberish. You sounded more intelligent.
hey! tower and i don't think the same nor have the same political belief system, but i can absolutely put that aside to appreciate and to respect his experiences here. if we cannot do the same, we are no better today than we were yesterday. that's some heavy chit and no political argument is going to top that and it shouldn't have to-period!
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 27, 2018, 08:33:30 PM
this is about humanity, not politics. check towers statement-with the utmost respect tower, that has got to be one of the most difficult situations to be in from top to bottom. to have the ability to check your emotions at the door and try to save the scum bag(too kind of a word)who perpetrated the hate. unreal! and God bless ya! that is a perspective hopefully none of us have to realize
yes i know the guy shouted "all jews must die" and proceeded to shoot. at that moment, nothing else matters but the humanity lost, their loved ones and everyone else. humanity has no color race or creed. it's human life-period and it's a tragedy. another example of the devil incarnate among us. unfortunately, we are going to hear the same ole blather about blame this and blame that...it doesn't matter. those who try to politicize this, don't get it. if they cannot put away their politics for at least the moment, they are part of the problem unfortunately, evil will always find a way.
like tower, the police didn't finish this guy off, even after he was shooting at them-that is recognizing humanity; good/bad/indifferent
t's and p's flying all over the place-constant reminder they're always needed
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Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 27, 2018, 08:33:30 PM
this is about humanity, not politics.
Oh, please. Shortly before committing these murders, this man complained about Jewish organizations offering aid to the migrant caravan.(an ongoing right wing conspiracy is that the caravan is the work of George Soros and other left-wing Jews).
No one here is "making" this political. These murders were political.
Quote from: MU82 on October 27, 2018, 06:26:18 PM
Another sad day.
Maybe it would be a good thing to not identify neo-Nazis marching with torches and chanting anti-Semitic slogans as "very fine people."
But hey ... let's go with prayers and thoughts this time ... maybe changing up the order will make it less likely to happen again.
It was a sad day last month in Cincinnati when an African American killed a bunch of people at 5/3rd bank, but nothing said here.
At the Rite Aid in Maryland a few weeks back, the killer was a woman, who shot 7 people. But nothing was said here. https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/20/us/maryland-shooting/index.html
It's always sad when someone dies, especially in mass shootings or drunk drivers, anything that is beyond someone's control other than time and place. But for some reason only certain people bring this up here when only certain types of people are involved in the shootings, and that makes me wonder. Were they neo-Nazis in Cincinnati and Baltimore? Is that why nothing was said?
How about we just have respect for life?
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on October 27, 2018, 07:59:49 PM
Especially when enabled from the very top.
When the GOP Congressmen were shot and nearly killed, was that enabled at the top since it was a Bernie Sanders supporter who only two weeks earlier said millions would die because of GOP policies?
This blame game thing is disgusting. Chris Wallace, a Democrat and good media person, said it well yesterday. No one is enabling anything and to blame a person other than the idiots actually doing the killing is dumb. Today's killer on his social media hated the president, but you're saying it was enabled from the top? So all the shootings prior to this President, who enabled them? I cannot stand the president, but this is just another example of the fringe on both sides making outlandish statements.
Quote from: WarriorDad on October 27, 2018, 08:57:33 PM
This blame game thing is disgusting.
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Quote from: Pakuni on October 27, 2018, 08:54:28 PM
Oh, please. Shortly before committing these murders, this man complained about Jewish organizations offering aid to the migrant caravan.(an ongoing right wing conspiracy is that the caravan is the work of George Soros and other left-wing Jews).
No one here is "making" this political. These murders were political.
thought you were smarter than that? trees-forest-it's about one human having the ultimate disrespect for another-period-end of story. you guys wanting to keep talking about the other stuff misses the whole point and nothing gets accomplished.
what about one african american shooting a group of other african americans because they are in a different gang...this can go on and on. this one just happens to be about anti-antisemitism. unfortunately, the next one will be about hispanic or hmong or catholicism or...
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 27, 2018, 09:01:31 PM
what about one african american shooting a group of other african americans because they are in a different gang...this can go on and on.
Oh. My. God.
Keep blowing that dog-whistle.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on October 27, 2018, 09:00:46 PM
Sultan's head in the sand
Explain to me how these things happened prior to January of 2017?
"How about we just have respect for life?"
B-I-N-G-O
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 27, 2018, 08:20:07 PM
C'mon man, that's total bullchit and you know it. Anti-semitism, hate crimes, and terrorism of all types has been part of this planet since Adam and Eve. Irresponsible statements like yours won't go unchecked.
This is exactly correct. The blame by both sides is ridiculous, far reaches of both sides that cannot figure it out so they want someone to blame. Ignoring all data, all reality so they can pin it on someone.
Please get us back to middle and away from the assholes on the right and left.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on October 27, 2018, 09:03:56 PM
Oh. My. God.
Keep blowing that dog-whistle.
i can't do this anymore...you win again sully-have a good one!
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 27, 2018, 09:06:11 PM
i can't do this anymore...you win again sully-have a good one!
This is where we are today. Both sides screaming, both sides saying they are right, evidence and data be damned. Both sides. All of you have a good one on this topic. Meanwhile, respect life.
Quote from: WarriorDad on October 27, 2018, 08:55:09 PM
It was a sad day last month in Cincinnati when an African American killed a bunch of people at 5/3rd bank, but nothing said here.
The Cincinnati shooter wasn't African-American ... though it's curious his race is important to you. Why is that? And why didn't you bring it up if you found it so troubling?
The Rite Aid shooting was an unfortunately all-too-common instance of workplace violence committed by someone with easy access to a gun. Why didn't you bring bbn it up if you found it so troubling?
Of course, you didn't bring either up because you don't care at all about those people and almost certainly hadn't heard of either until you went searching for other mass shootings a few minutes before your insipid post. I'm sure you thought you were making a clever point. Rest assured, you were not.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 27, 2018, 09:06:11 PM
i can't do this anymore...you win again sully-have a good one!
C-YA!!!
Quote from: WarriorDad on October 27, 2018, 09:08:11 PM
This is where we are today. Both sides screaming, both sides saying they are right, evidence and data be damned. Both sides. All of you have a good one on this topic. Meanwhile, respect life.
God.
Chicos the pretend moderate is the most pathetic Chicos of all time.
Of course he's a pretend Cubs fan too.
Quote from: WarriorDad on October 27, 2018, 08:57:33 PM
When the GOP Congressmen were shot and nearly killed, was that enabled at the top since it was a Bernie Sanders supporter who only two weeks earlier said millions would die because of GOP policies?
Dopey false equivalency argument which the right wing resorted to when their false flag nonsense fell apart. Difference is Sanders has never incited or called for violence whereas Trump consistently calls reporters "enemies of the people" and has a history of making provocative statements during rallies.
At a recent rally, Trump referenced Rep. Greg Gianforte's 2017 attack on a reporter and said: "Any guy who can do a body slam, he is my type!"
In before the lock.