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Title: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: Newsdreams on October 23, 2018, 10:24:46 AM
Seems like the behind the scenes leader type

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2018/10/22/marquettes-matt-heldt-knows-his-role/1724505002/
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: LoudMouth on October 23, 2018, 10:34:31 AM
Matt Heldt will go down as one of the best triers in Marquette basketball history...wouldn't be surprised to see him taking a position with the team shortly after graduation just to teach teamwork. If not, he will be going in the golden eagle for a career as our mascot, whatever it takes to help the team

All around great person that genuinely loves our school and would never dream of transferring to further his "career"
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: barfolomew on October 23, 2018, 10:47:59 AM
Quote from: LoudMouth on October 23, 2018, 10:34:31 AM
Matt Heldt will go down as one of the best triers in Marquette basketball history...

Even better than Von Trier's??!
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on October 23, 2018, 10:50:09 AM
Quote from: LoudMouth on October 23, 2018, 10:34:31 AM
Matt Heldt will go down as one of the best triers in Marquette basketball history...wouldn't be surprised to see him taking a position with the team shortly after graduation just to teach teamwork. If not, he will be going in the golden eagle for a career as our mascot, whatever it takes to help the team

All around great person that genuinely loves our school and would never dream of transferring to further his "career"

Funny I heard he is going to start a camp for kids specializing in the techniques of pick and roll defense and half court shots.
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: Newsdreams on October 23, 2018, 10:56:17 AM
Quote from: LoudMouth on October 23, 2018, 10:34:31 AM
Matt Heldt will go down as one of the best triers in Marquette basketball history...wouldn't be surprised to see him taking a position with the team shortly after graduation just to teach teamwork. If not, he will be going in the golden eagle for a career as our mascot, whatever it takes to help the team

All around great person that genuinely loves our school and would never dream of transferring to further his "career"

No, we will become the Milkmen
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: wadesworld on October 23, 2018, 11:05:05 AM
Or he'll go to law school.
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 23, 2018, 11:07:34 AM
Quote from: Newsdreams on October 23, 2018, 10:56:17 AM
No, we will become the Milkmen

I'm in with that.  Got Heldt?
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: Its DJOver on October 23, 2018, 11:15:17 AM
"I think we have a securely established culture of guys," Heldt said. "All our guys are guys Coach Wojo recruited and wanted here. All our guys are guys that we, as older guys, when a guy visited the coaches asked us if we wanted them, how they fit in with us"

Thinly veiled shot at QG?
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 23, 2018, 11:17:30 AM
Quote from: Its DJOver on October 23, 2018, 11:15:17 AM
"I think we have a securely established culture of guys," Heldt said. "All our guys are guys Coach Wojo recruited and wanted here. All our guys are guys that we, as older guys, when a guy visited the coaches asked us if we wanted them, how they fit in with us"

Thinly veiled shot at QG?

I would be very surprised and a little concerned if QG was still on the teams mind over a year later.
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: Its DJOver on October 23, 2018, 11:20:25 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 23, 2018, 11:17:30 AM
I would be very surprised and a little concerned if QG was still on the teams mind over a year later.

Agreed, but if he were asked about the culture of the program, and that was the most extreme example of someone taking an official and just having bad chemistry with existing players, he could very well be referencing it.  Especially with how things may be ending up for QG and Kansas.
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 23, 2018, 11:24:04 AM
Quote from: Its DJOver on October 23, 2018, 11:20:25 AM
Agreed, but if he were asked about the culture of the program, and that was the most extreme example of someone taking an official and just having bad chemistry with existing players, he could very well be referencing it.  Especially with how things may be ending up for QG and Kansas.

I think a lot of assumptions have been made about what happened with QG.
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 23, 2018, 11:25:51 AM
Quote from: Its DJOver on October 23, 2018, 11:20:25 AM
Agreed, but if he were asked about the culture of the program, and that was the most extreme example of someone taking an official and just having bad chemistry with existing players, he could very well be referencing it.  Especially with how things may be ending up for QG and Kansas.

I think QG told the MU players no at the start of his visit, hey?
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: Its DJOver on October 23, 2018, 11:27:23 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 23, 2018, 11:24:04 AM
I think a lot of assumptions have been made about what happened with QG.
True, but I think most of those are based on the program that he ended up at, and the "concerns" that said program is currently undergoing regarding recruiting.  BD also hinted that there was more to the story than just losing a recruiting battle before he was run off.
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: Its DJOver on October 23, 2018, 11:29:39 AM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 23, 2018, 11:25:51 AM
I think QG told the MU players no at the start of his visit, hey?

Probably not, but if he were asking players questions that implied he wanted a little something on the side, there's no doubt that they told Wojo about it.  No insider info, and not trying to imply that anything like that happened, just pointing out, that there are any number of reasons why someone wouldn't be a good cultural fit.
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: Galway Eagle on October 23, 2018, 11:32:22 AM
Quote from: Its DJOver on October 23, 2018, 11:27:23 AM
BD also hinted that there was more to the story than just losing a recruiting battle before he was run off.

You know I was looking through his posts the other day and it seems he actually was handling Heisenberg's BS pretty well and continued to give information. It wasn't till March 10th when he said Sam will need surgery or "the #10 model car will have to be taken into the shop" that he stopped posting. Additionally he hasn't been active since late August. I wonder if he was asked to stop posting?
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: MU82 on October 23, 2018, 12:12:11 PM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 23, 2018, 11:25:51 AM
I think QG told the MU players no at the start of his visit, hey?

I think this is ancient history. I think I don't give a rip about QG. And I think I would have enjoyed beating Kansas - like we're gonna do - even if they didn't have QG.

As for what this thread actually is about ...

I liked the Wojo quotes Ben Steele used right at the end:

"Matt may start for us. Matt may be a guy who plays eight minutes for us. I don't know. That will all be determined based on practice and what group out there gives us the best chance to win. But what I do know is that whatever role Matt has, he's all in it – 100% – for Marquette basketball. And as a coach, you just can't help but love and root for a guy like that."

That perfectly summarizes Heldt's role on the team.

I still think we will be a better team if Heldt is averaging 10-15 minutes. That will mean other players with more skills have stepped up to also be able to do some of the little things Heldt does well. But I have come to appreciate him.
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on October 23, 2018, 02:53:15 PM
Quote from: Its DJOver on October 23, 2018, 11:15:17 AM
"I think we have a securely established culture of guys," Heldt said. "All our guys are guys Coach Wojo recruited and wanted here. All our guys are guys that we, as older guys, when a guy visited the coaches asked us if we wanted them, how they fit in with us"

Thinly veiled shot at QG?
Herro?
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: Newsdreams on October 23, 2018, 02:54:10 PM
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on October 23, 2018, 02:53:15 PM
Herro?

Yep
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: Its DJOver on October 23, 2018, 02:57:56 PM
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on October 23, 2018, 02:53:15 PM
Herro?

I originally thought of him, but did Herro ever take an official?  I know a lot of the guys (especially WI kids) knew him, but to me, it sounds like he could be referencing someone who took a more organized visit.  We could also all just have our tin foil hats on too tight, and Matt is just talking about the great chemistry between everyone currently there.
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: LoudMouth on October 23, 2018, 03:03:57 PM
Quote from: Its DJOver on October 23, 2018, 02:57:56 PM
I originally thought of him, but did Herro ever take an official?  I know a lot of the guys (especially WI kids) knew him, but to me, it sounds like he could be referencing someone who took a more organized visit.  We could also all just have our tin foil hats on too tight, and Matt is just talking about the great chemistry between everyone currently there.
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Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: Newsdreams on October 23, 2018, 03:15:33 PM
Quote from: Its DJOver on October 23, 2018, 02:57:56 PM
I originally thought of him, but did Herro ever take an official?  I know a lot of the guys (especially WI kids) knew him, but to me, it sounds like he could be referencing someone who took a more organized visit.  We could also all just have our tin foil hats on too tight, and Matt is just talking about the great chemistry between everyone currently there.

Per BD the Hauser's were not thrilled about having him in the team
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: Floorslapper on October 23, 2018, 03:51:27 PM
Quote from: Its DJOver on October 23, 2018, 11:15:17 AM
"I think we have a securely established culture of guys," Heldt said. "All our guys are guys Coach Wojo recruited and wanted here. All our guys are guys that we, as older guys, when a guy visited the coaches asked us if we wanted them, how they fit in with us"

Thinly veiled shot at QG?

I'd take it at face value.  Matt is simply speaking to the "securely established culture of guys," point he made in the first sentence.  Sounds like he and the other upperclassmen appreciate that they get input into how prospective recruits seem to fit in with the existing culture, and culture Wojo is trying to cultivate.

Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: GGGG on October 23, 2018, 03:59:17 PM
Quote from: Floorslapper on October 23, 2018, 03:51:27 PM
I'd take it at face value.  Matt is simply speaking to the "securely established culture of guys," point he made in the first sentence.  Sounds like he and the other upperclassmen appreciate that they get input into how prospective recruits seem to fit in with the existing culture, and culture Wojo is trying to cultivate.


Yeah I read it the same way.  I don't think he's taking veiled shots at anyone here. 
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: Newsdreams on October 23, 2018, 06:34:13 PM
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on October 23, 2018, 03:59:17 PM

Yeah I read it the same way.  I don't think he's taking veiled shots at anyone here.
I didn't see it as a direct shot to Herro. I think that it was probably the main factor we really didn't go after him, input from team. In this case Hauser, at least that was BD's info.
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: lohaus on October 24, 2018, 02:01:24 PM
Wow, Matty Heldt shot 64 plus percent? Sadly, I don't feel bad screaming "dunk it" when he head fakes and double head fakes three footers.  Honestly, a solid roll player with intangibles that keep him on the court.  Hustles up and down the court.
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: Herman Cain on October 24, 2018, 03:21:41 PM
One key attribute about Matt Heldt over the years is his consistency. Each year he has shown consistent improvement, both year over year and also throughout the year. His improvement is both in his game and his strength and conditioning. While the pace of improvement is slow,  it is steady . He is highly reliable and dependable for what he is asked to do. There is tremendous value in having a player like that at his height and size in a conference like ours. Also one subtle thing, as a senior I think he will be getting the benefit of the doubt from the league refs who have seen him play over the years. 
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: MomofMUltiples on October 24, 2018, 03:25:49 PM
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 24, 2018, 03:21:41 PM
One key attribute about Matt Heldt over the years is his consistency. Each year he has shown consistent improvement, both year over year and also throughout the year. His improvement is both in his game and his strength and conditioning. While the pace of improvement is slow,  it is steady . He is highly reliable and dependable for what he is asked to do. There is tremendous value in having a player like that at his height and size in a conference like ours. Also one subtle thing, as a senior I think he will be getting the benefit of the doubt from the league refs who have seen him play over the years.

Well, at least he learned to [usually] not set moving screens, huh?
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: Herman Cain on October 24, 2018, 03:39:54 PM
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on October 24, 2018, 03:25:49 PM
Well, at least he learned to [usually] not set moving screens, huh?
What was a moving screen as a freshman is now as a senior a beautiful mountain for M2N and Sam to shoot behind.
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: dgies9156 on October 25, 2018, 03:45:09 PM
Look, Matt Heldt is a good guy and I think he has shown considerable improvement in recent years. He's the type of person we love at Marquette. Dedicated. Focused and a Team Player.

Question will be come January whether the Matt Heldt lovefest will continue, especially if he gets roughed up inside a time or two by our beloved adversaries.

I'm glad we have him but Morrow and Theo are our primary inside options. They're pretty tough bodies!
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: LoudMouth on October 25, 2018, 04:04:16 PM
Supposedly Matt was supposed to be in New York today for Big East media day and turned it down because he refused to miss class when he doesn't absolutely have to. Classic Matt Heldt
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: Floorslapper on October 25, 2018, 04:30:50 PM
Quote from: LoudMouth on October 25, 2018, 04:04:16 PM
Supposedly Matt was supposed to be in New York today for Big East media day and turned it down because he refused to miss class when he doesn't absolutely have to. Classic Matt Heldt

Wow.  Speaks well of Matt, but Jesus, you'd hope his parents, or Wojo would have forcibly intervened:  "Son, there will never be another senior year, on the Marquette University Basketball team, nor another opportunity in life to go to Big East Media Day.  The classes you miss Thursday, will be there again Tuesday.  Go enjoy a once in a lifetime moment in the sun with your fellow selected teammates."
Title: Re: Steele Article on Heldt
Post by: MuMark on October 25, 2018, 05:19:56 PM
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 25, 2018, 03:45:09 PM
Look, Matt Heldt is a good guy and I think he has shown considerable improvement in recent years. He's the type of person we love at Marquette. Dedicated. Focused and a Team Player.

Question will be come January whether the Matt Heldt lovefest will continue, especially if he gets roughed up inside a time or two by our beloved adversaries.

I'm glad we have him but Morrow and Theo are our primary inside options. They're pretty tough bodies!

He didn't get roughed up last year against Happ and Delgado.......Matt was plenty tough .....he just isn't quick. Offensively he was much more efficient then Theo. He didn't turn it over and scored very effectively when he shot the ball.

The troubles he had were trying to guard mobile bigs off of high ball screens.......Theo also had trouble in that area.

Ed much better suited to guard teams that play small at the 5.

Now Theo certainly has a higher upside.......hopefully we see steady improvement from him this season.
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