http://www.gomarquette.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball
Official measurements are out. Some things of note:
Despite reports of him being taller, Bailey only listed at 6'8, also only 190 lbs.
John and Heldt both slimmed down from 245 to 240.
Elliott gained 5 lbs, going from 170 to 175
Eke down from 225 to 220
Chartouney down from 205 to 200
Joey listed as 6'9 230 lb. Already bigger than his brother. I also think we see some lineups with him as mobile shooting 5.
Cain up to 195 from 190
Morrow, Sam, Markus, and Sacar all stay the same.
Also numbers are out:
#0 - Markus Howard
#1 - Brendan Bailey
#2 - Sacar Anim
#4 - Theo John
#5 - Greg Elliott
#10 - Sam Hauser
#12 - Matt Heldt
#13 - Ike Eke
#21 - Joseph Chartouney
#22 - Joey Hauser
#23 - Jamal Cain
#25 - Koby McEwen
#30 - Ed Morrow
#40 - Tommy Gardiner
#41 - Mike Lelito
#42 - Buddy Jaffee
#52 - Cam Marotta
Someone get Bailey a sandwich.
Quote from: real chili 83 on July 18, 2018, 06:34:53 AM
Someone get Bailey a sandwich and a bowl of Real Chili.
FIFY
I'll be more interested in the fall measurements. Plenty of off season to pack on the pounds.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on July 18, 2018, 06:41:13 AM
FIFY
That might cause him to lose more weight than he gains.
Quote from: real chili 83 on July 18, 2018, 06:34:53 AM
Someone get Bailey a sandwich, bowl of chili and two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun..
Might as well go all out!
5 pounds is disappointing for Cain and Elliot. Re-watch the NCAA tourney, they both need 15-20. From reading this board I thought our S&C program was second to none. Eke and John lost weight?
Quote from: esotericmindguy on July 18, 2018, 08:28:51 AM
5 pounds is disappointing for Cain and Elliot. Re-watch the NCAA tourney, they both need 15-20. From reading this board I thought our S&C program was second to none. Eke and John lost weight?
Most likely lost fat gained muscle mass
Quote from: #bansultan on July 18, 2018, 06:51:28 AM
That might cause him to lose more weight than he gains.
Early morning memories after late-night dining.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on July 18, 2018, 08:28:51 AM
5 pounds is disappointing for Cain and Elliot. Re-watch the NCAA tourney, they both need 15-20. From reading this board I thought our S&C program was second to none. Eke and John lost weight?
You realize that S&C isn't just about gaining weight right?
Quote from: esotericmindguy on July 18, 2018, 08:28:51 AM
5 pounds is disappointing for Cain and Elliot. Re-watch the NCAA tourney, they both need 15-20. From reading this board I thought our S&C program was second to none. Eke and John lost weight?
It may not seem like it, but 5 lbs of muscle is a lot of muscle.
A lot of big men slim down in college. Losing fat in order to increase mobility and endurance.
Another thing to consider:
Perhaps the weight stats on some of the guys were "rounded up" last year (like Markus's height is ;)) and they didn't feel it was necessary to do it this year.
Quote from: real chili 83 on July 18, 2018, 06:34:53 AM
Someone get Bailey a sandwich, bowl of chili and two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun.. beef 'n cheddars
FIFY
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 18, 2018, 09:27:01 AM
It may not seem like it, but 5 lbs of muscle is a lot of muscle.
A lot of big men slim down in college. Losing fat in order to increase mobility and endurance.
and lateral quickness
Is there a date reference somewhere on this Roster release, I'm not seeing it. It might be helpful, or is there a protection of medical information clause?
Quote from: esotericmindguy on July 18, 2018, 08:28:51 AM
5 pounds is disappointing for Cain and Elliot.
Agreed. Here's to hoping it's still a work in progress and that things are going as planned.
Quote from: Windyplayer on July 18, 2018, 11:50:34 AM
Agreed. Here's to hoping it's still a work in progress and that things are going as planned.
Think about it this way. It's been about three months since the season ended, and they've put on 5. You got about another three months until next season starts, keep up the pace, and adding 10 lbs of muscle in one off-season isn't bad. Still a ways to go, but an incredible accomplishment none the less.
Quote from: #bansultan on July 18, 2018, 06:51:28 AM
That might cause him to lose more weight than he gains.
If that's true, I should weigh about 6 pounds
Quote from: #bansultan on July 18, 2018, 09:26:51 AM
You realize that S&C isn't just about gaining weight right?
For guys that weigh 170 pounds it should be all about gaining weight. 6'6 guards should be 190 at least. I'm not trying to be a d*ck, but 5 pounds is a joke after a year. I'm not putting it all on the coaches but they need to change their diet to put on weight. You can't defend at 175. Markus weighs 175 and he's 5'10 for gods sake. I'm very excited to see Chartouny & Morrow defend this year.
You're putting wayyy to much value into raw weight.
I mean hell, take a look a rookie Michael Jordan, doubt he was 190 pounds.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on July 18, 2018, 12:14:22 PM
For guys that weigh 170 pounds it should be all about gaining weight. 6'6 guards should be 190 at least. I'm not trying to be a d*ck, but 5 pounds is a joke after a year. I'm not putting it all on the coaches but they need to change their diet to put on weight. You can't defend at 175. Markus weighs 175 and he's 5'10 for gods sake. I'm very excited to see Chartouny & Morrow defend this year.
No it isn't simply about weight. It's about strength...and conditioning. And also you can only put so much muscle on certain frames.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on July 18, 2018, 12:14:22 PM
For guys that weigh 170 pounds it should be all about gaining weight. 6'6 guards should be 190 at least. I'm not trying to be a d*ck, but 5 pounds is a joke after a year. I'm not putting it all on the coaches but they need to change their diet to put on weight. You can't defend at 175. Markus weighs 175 and he's 5'10 for gods sake. I'm very excited to see Chartouny & Morrow defend this year.
Who on our team is 6'6 and not at least 190 lbs?
Brendan Bailey: 190
Jamal Cain: 195
Tommy Gardiner: 210
Ike Eke: 220
Sam Hauser: 225
Joey Hauser: 230
Ed Morrow: 235
Theo John: 240
Matt Heldt: 240
The only players on the team under 190 lbs are:
5'10 Cam Marotta
5'11 Markus Howard
6'3 Greg Elliott
Hmm...no weight and height stats for the coaching staff.
Quote from: #bansultan on July 18, 2018, 12:37:48 PM
No it isn't simply about weight. It's about strength...and conditioning. And also you can only put so much muscle on certain frames.
This. All of Elliott, Cain, Bailey have frames that are really hard to add weight/muscle mass. But, that also is what gives Cain and Elliott the pogo stick athleticism. They'll be undersized throughout their career from a weight perspective but by senior year will be very effective.
Quote from: Floorslapper on July 18, 2018, 01:11:19 PM
This. All of Elliott, Cain, Bailey have frames that are really hard to add weight/muscle mass. But, that also is what gives Cain and Elliott the pogo stick athleticism. They'll be undersized throughout their career from a weight perspective but by senior year will be very effective.
If they're not very effective before their senior year, most likely they'll have transferred out before then.
Quote from: 4everCrean on July 18, 2018, 01:41:41 PM
If they're not very effective before their senior year, most likely they'll have transferred out before then.
True. I expect they will have solid seasons each of the next two years - both are great prospects. Just think they could be really good by senior year with additional strength (which will take awhile to acquire.)
Putting 5 lbs of (hopefully) muscle on Elliot's frame is a feat, regardless of how long it took to get there. He'll never be a banger, so why pump him full of protein shakes to get him to 190 when all it will do is slow him down and probably mess with his natural mechanics? Might as well keep him as lean and quick as possible so that he can use his length to tip passes, disrupt inbounds plays, etc.
Quote from: Newsdreams Likes Chardonnay on July 18, 2018, 08:36:13 AM
Most likely lost fat gained muscle mass
Muscle weighs more than fat. We need to see their Body Fat %. Can we not exchange our hyperbearic chamber for a BODPOD?
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GE already having bigger arms than KD...#GE2N
Quote from: LoudMouth on July 18, 2018, 02:20:03 PM
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GE already having bigger arms than KD...#GE2N
Luckily that KD kid did not come to MU, somebody that skinny will never make it
Quote from: NWarsh on July 18, 2018, 02:24:29 PM
Luckily that KD kid did not come to MU, somebody that skinny will never make it
They'd set the program back.
Scoop Height/Weight Density Index (pounds per inch):
Greg (2.3)
Brenden (2.4)
Markus (2.5)
Mike (2.5)
Jamal (2.5)
Cam (2.5)
Buddy (2.6)
Koby (2.6)
Tommy (2.7)
Joe (2.7)
Ike (2.7)
Sacar (2.7)
Sam (2.8)
Joey (2.8)
Matt (2.9)
Theo (3.0)
Ed (3.0)
Takeaway: Necks matter
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 18, 2018, 02:15:21 PM
Muscle weighs more than fat. We need to see their Body Fat %. Can we not exchange our hyperbearic chamber for a BODPOD?
Yes but once you start losing fat you lose it faster than you gain muscle mass. That is why you at first gain some weight while doing exercise.
Scoop HWI from Buzz's last year:
Duane (2.4)
Magic (2.6)
Todd (2.6)
JjJ (2.6)
Dylan (2.6)
Jake (2.7)
Derrick (2.8)
Juan (2.8)
Jamil 2.9)
Deonte (3.1)
Teve (3.0)
Luke (3.0)
Chris (3.3)
Davante (3.6)
Team: 2.9 vs. 2.7 this year.
Takeaway: Davante matters.
Btw, Freshman Sandy was 2.3, same as Greg now
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on July 18, 2018, 02:48:29 PM
Scoop HWI from Buzz's last year:
Duane (2.4)
Magic (2.6)
Todd (2.6)
JjJ (2.6)
Dylan (2.6)
Jake (2.7)
Derrick (2.8)
Juan (2.8)
Jamil 2.9)
Deonte (3.1)
Teve (3.0)
Luke (3.0)
Chris (3.3)
Davante (3.6)
Team: 2.9 vs. 2.7 this year.
Takeaway: Davante matters.
Btw, Freshman Sandy was 2.3, same as Greg now
Your takeaway made me LOL.
Quote from: NWarsh on July 18, 2018, 02:24:29 PMLuckily that KD kid did not come to MU, somebody that skinny will never make it.
Listed at 6-9 but just 215 pounds during his only season at Texas, Durant averaged more than 11 rebounds a game. He might turn out to be the best one-and-done ever.
Quote from: Marcus92 on July 18, 2018, 03:16:15 PM
Listed at 6-9 but just 215 pounds during his only season at Texas, Durant averaged more than 11 rebounds a game. He might turn out to be the best one-and-done ever.
Who else would even be close? I don't think your position is even arguable, he is the best one and done ever in terms of NBA career
Quote from: mu03eng on July 18, 2018, 03:21:15 PM
Who else would even be close? I don't think your position is even arguable, he is the best one and done ever in terms of NBA career
Anthony Davis might end up making an argument. He won it all his only year in college and he's only 25 so he still has a chance to get a ring or two. Especially if he gets out of Nola like Durant did OKC
Quote from: swoopem on July 18, 2018, 03:46:33 PM
Anthony Davis might end up making an argument. He won it all his only year in college and he's only 25 so he still has a chance to get a ring or two. Especially if he gets out of Nola like Durant did OKC
That was my first thought as well. I think Davis is just scratching his potential.
Kyrie too. Champ, 26 years old, and on a great team with potentially more rings on horizon.
Quote from: swoopem on July 18, 2018, 03:46:33 PM
Anthony Davis might end up making an argument. He won it all his only year in college and he's only 25 so he still has a chance to get a ring or two. Especially if he gets out of Nola like Durant did OKC
AD was listed as 6'10" and 220 pounds (all unibrow). Their WHI are both 2.7, the same as Ike.
Decent roster maybe someone can donate the Ath Dept. a camera
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 18, 2018, 02:15:21 PM
Muscle weighs more than fat. We need to see their Body Fat %. Can we not exchange our hyperbearic chamber for a BODPOD?
The way I understand it is that when fat cells start breaking down they fill with water. Water weighs more than fat and that is why you initially gain weight.
Water also weighs more than muscle.
Quote from: bilsu on July 18, 2018, 05:52:48 PM
The way I understand it is that when fat cells start breaking down they fill with water. Water weighs more than fat and that is why you initially gain weight.
Water also weighs more than muscle.
This explains Scoop too: Air Heads vs. Fat Heads
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on July 18, 2018, 05:08:19 PM
AD was listed as 6'10" and 220 pounds (all unibrow). Their WHI are both 2.7, the same as Ike.
So you're saying Ike is the next AD? I'll take that.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on July 18, 2018, 02:42:35 PM
Scoop Height/Weight Density Index (pounds per inch):
Greg (2.3)
Brenden (2.4)
Markus (2.5)
Mike (2.5)
Jamal (2.5)
Cam (2.5)
Buddy (2.6)
Koby (2.6)
Tommy (2.7)
Joe (2.7)
Ike (2.7)
Sacar (2.7)
Sam (2.8)
Joey (2.8)
Matt (2.9)
Theo (3.0)
Ed (3.0)
Takeaway: Necks matter
I agree with this analysis.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on July 18, 2018, 07:50:40 PM
So you're saying Ike is the next AD? I'll take that.
Why? Where is Scholl going?
Two words for those fixated on the height/weight density index: Lloyd Moore.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on July 18, 2018, 12:14:22 PM
For guys that weigh 170 pounds it should be all about gaining weight. 6'6 guards should be 190 at least. I'm not trying to be a d*ck, but 5 pounds is a joke after a year. I'm not putting it all on the coaches but they need to change their diet to put on weight. You can't defend at 175. Markus weighs 175 and he's 5'10 for gods sake. I'm very excited to see Chartouny & Morrow defend this year.
I believe your views on putting on weight after a single year are too heavily influenced by the VicMc soft serve machine.
NO senior year of HS stats for Brendanin his official bio... oversight?
I've got some fat I could donate to our guys!
Do you think the Height stats are all pretty accurate? Especially in high school Basketball, that height stat gets stretched. But not sure if it happens at the college level...and guys are still growing.
Like Cam at 5'10" - no way. that bugged me all last year.
In high school, my 5-3 daughter was listed at 5-6.
As if her being 5-6 would have intimidated her opponents!
"Uh-oh ... we have to play Payton Prep. They have that 5-6 giant from the Amazon!"
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The best Big East newcomer no one's talking about may be Marquette's Brendan Bailey. Missed last two seasons due to Mormon Mission. 6-8. Oozes talent.
Quote from: NWarsh on July 18, 2018, 02:24:29 PM
Luckily that KD kid did not come to MU, somebody that skinny will never make it
I know I'm a few days late to this, but just had to give a +1000 on this as well as the comments about certain players' frames being incompatible with becoming a brick wall. These comments all fit hand in hand.
What do you think the over/under is on the amount of comments during the season of "he should have hit the weight room", "he should hit the weight room this offseason and put on 15 pounds of muscle", etc. Whatever it is, I'm taking the over. As it turns out, these guys are pretty strong, and strong enough. What is referenced is actually
frame and not muscle. They could do a 24 month cycle of Winstrol and still look like "they need to hit the weight room". It's as if some have already forgotten our (recent) legacy of weirdly shaped players doing well, and completely ripped bowling balls doing poorly.
Cain especially looked pretty muscular in his freshman season, IMO. I just think his body is pretty much already maxed out. He might put on some, but it wouldn't impact his game much either way. If KD could be one of the best college players of all time as a freshman that couldn't even bench 175 pounds once, then I think we can do just fine with a few skinny-appearing role players at Marquette University.
Never pay much attention to the walk-ons. Isn't four a lot?
I'm kind' a curious as to what Tommy Gardiner brings.
Quote from: WarriorHal on July 24, 2018, 07:35:49 PM
Never pay much attention to the walk-ons. Isn't four a lot?
APR Gold. Kept Jimmy B and Bo in business a long time.
Quote from: Loose Cannon on July 24, 2018, 09:11:31 PM
I'm kind' a curious as to what Tommy Gardiner brings.
Can't tell if you're serious or not but third or fourth best player depending on the night for a very good Maine South team last year.
Was probably their best player before he blew out his knee junior year and never really recovered from that.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on July 24, 2018, 10:30:32 PM
Can't tell if you're serious or not but third or fourth best player depending on the night for a very good Maine South team last year.
Was probably their best player before he blew out his knee junior year and never really recovered from that.
I'm serious, I thought I read something like you descript, and I have a good feeling about him. I hope some nice comments come from his practices. Thanks for your input you seem to know the Chicago area very well. Thanks again.
Quote from: Loose Cannon on July 25, 2018, 12:34:24 AM
I'm serious, I thought I read something like you descript, and I have a good feeling about him. I hope some nice comments come from his practices. Thanks for your input you seem to know the Chicago area very well. Thanks again.
He will be a fine walkon. I mean, it's not like someone just loses their talent, and he was a pretty talented kid before the injury.
Where he probably helps the most is on the scout team. Maine South ran some pretty ridiculous offensive sets and if MU ever needed to prepare for a zone defense, I don't think Gardiner played more than 10 minutes of man to man defense in his high school career.
Quote from: mu03eng on July 18, 2018, 03:21:15 PM
Who else would even be close? I don't think your position is even arguable, he is the best one and done ever in terms of NBA career
In terms of NBA accomplishments, yes. In terms of college accomplishments, I would go with Melo
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on July 25, 2018, 02:29:15 AM
He will be a fine walkon. I mean, it's not like someone just loses their talent, and he was a pretty talented kid before the injury.
Where he probably helps the most is on the scout team. Maine South ran some pretty ridiculous offensive sets and if MU ever needed to prepare for a zone defense, I don't think Gardiner played more than 10 minutes of man to man defense in his high school career.
Thanks again for the comments.
Quote from: reinko on July 25, 2018, 06:11:11 AM
In terms of NBA accomplishments, yes. In terms of college accomplishments, I would go with Melo
I would go Anthony Davis slightly over Melo. Consensus player of the year and NCAA champion.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 22, 2018, 12:28:41 AM
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The best Big East newcomer no one's talking about may be Marquette's Brendan Bailey. Missed last two seasons due to Mormon Mission. 6-8. Oozes talent.
Once Brendan calibrates himself to the pace of play at the high major level he will do very well. The beauty is we don't have to throw him to the wolves on day 1.
Pretty sure the opponent on day 1 is Sisters of Perpetual Motion Community College, sew wee could throw F*ckin, BeeJay, and 3 midgets (not ment ta offend any y'all midgets out der) and stiil wynn bye 20, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 25, 2018, 08:20:40 PM
Pretty sure the opponent on day 1 is Sisters of Perpetual Motion Community College, sew wee could throw F*ckin, BeeJay, and 3 midgets (not ment ta offend any y'all midgets out der) and stiil wynn bye 20, aina?
Actually Day 1 is an inter squad scrimmage. And since we!re the deepest team in America, he better prepare for the wolves.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 25, 2018, 08:20:40 PM
Pretty sure the opponent on day 1 is Sisters of Perpetual Motion Community College, sew wee could throw F*ckin, BeeJay, and 3 midgets (not ment ta offend any y'all midgets out der) and stiil wynn bye 20, aina?
Just ask #1 overall seed Virginia about how bad our opening opponent is.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on July 24, 2018, 09:31:52 PM
APR Gold. Kept Jimmy B and Bo in business a long time.
APR = only scholarship playas