http://smokeroom.com/2018/05/11/david-hookstead-jena-greene-women-coaches-debate/
Looks like the Bucks might be the first.
yes
Yes.
Written by Pau Gasol:
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/pau-gasol-becky-hammon
"I've won two championships ... I've played with some of the best players of this generation ... and I've played under two of the sharpest minds in the history of sports, in Phil Jackson and Gregg Popovich. And I'm telling you: Becky Hammon can coach. I'm not saying she can coach pretty well. I'm not saying she can coach enough to get by. I'm not saying she can coach almost at the level of the NBA's male coaches. I'm saying: Becky Hammon can coach NBA basketball. Period."
...
"Because let's be real: There are pushes now for increased gender diversity in the workplace of pretty much every industry in the world. It's what's expected. More importantly — it's what's right. And yet the NBA should get a pass because some fans are willing to take it easy on us ... because we're "sports"?
I really hope not.
I hope the NBA will never feel satisfied with being forward-thinking "for a sports league." Let's strive to be forward-thinking for an industry of any kind."
Yes
The right woman, sure. And she will have a higher mountain to climb than any who come after her.
Well, at least OP's perspective on this topic matches his in the "privilege" thread.
I can see it in basketball, but what about baseball, hockey or football? In those sports women have a hard enough time breaking the gender barrier just being an ump, ref or official. They are just starting to make headway in the broadcast arena; the Yankees have pretty good color commentator on the radio side.
How many women coach mens sports at the college or high school level?
if men can coach women they (and they are the majority in Women's College Basketball) then why can't a woman coach men's sports.
That said, I would be surprised if Hammon took the Bucks job, much speculation is that she's waiting for Pop to retire.
If a man can be a head coach for women's sports, than a woman can be a head coach for men's sports.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 11, 2018, 11:10:23 AM
if men can coach women they (and they are the majority in Women's College Basketball) then why can't a woman coach men's sports.
That said, I would be surprised if Hammon took the Bucks job, much speculation is that she's waiting for Pop to retire.
beat me by 20 sec!
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 11, 2018, 11:10:23 AM
if men can coach women they (and they are the majority in Women's College Basketball) then why can't a woman coach men's sports.
That said, I would be surprised if Hammon took the Bucks job, much speculation is that she's waiting for Pop to retire.
...and why is that?
Yeah butt, how ya gonna deel wit da lockeroom walkin' 'round free willy and such, hey?
No.
Can a man play in the WNBA?
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 11, 2018, 11:12:55 AM
No.
Can a man play in the WNBA?
The question is not about whether a woman can play in the NBA, it is whether she can coach an NBA or men's team, and the answer to that question is yes.
Of Course! Why not?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 11, 2018, 11:12:34 AM
Yeah butt, how ya gonna deel wit da lockeroom walkin' 'round free willy and such, hey?
From Gasol's article:
"O.K. — and then one more thing. It's almost too stupid to include here ... but at the same time, in another way, I also think it's pretty important. And it gets at something about this league, in the bigger picture, that I've been thinking about a lot lately.
It's this idea that, if there were a female head coach in the NBA, there would be some sort of ... "awkwardness in the locker room."
Maybe you're laughing to yourself as you read that. And I get it. It's ridiculous. But I think it's worth taking seriously, too, for a moment — just in terms of how embarrassing it is for us as a league that this is something people are actually talking about.
First, as for the idea itself: I mean, of course it's a myth. Give me a break. There's really nothing to say about it even. The players dress in a certain area, and the coaches dress in a certain area. O.K.? And yes, I'm sure, within that coaches area, Becky has a private space. But the point is — it's not like you're seeing male head coaches sharing a space with players while they're changing. It doesn't happen. So all I can tell you is that from a decade and a half of personal experience ... this line of thinking — like I said, it's all just very ridiculous. In terms of the locker room, and in terms of behind the scenes, there really is no practical difference in this league between having a male or a female head coach."
Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 11, 2018, 11:12:26 AM
...and why is that?
much of it is male privilege because it's men making the decisions. We've had women's college basketball at the NCAA level for over 30 years and women's professional basketball for over 20 years and you're telling me there aren't enough qualified women to be head coaches? There is one other factor too - sexuality. Whether it is legit or now, on the recruiting trail many male coaches use it (whether legit or not) against female coaches.
MU has been fortunate to have two very qualified women running their program in Teri Mitchell and now Carolyn Krieger. There are certainly more like Carolyn out there who deserve a chance to be a head coach.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 11, 2018, 11:05:11 AM
I can see it in basketball, but what about baseball, hockey or football? In those sports women have a hard enough time breaking the gender barrier just being an ump, ref or official. They are just starting to make headway in the broadcast arena; the Yankees have pretty good color commentator on the radio side.
How many women coach mens sports at the college or high school level?
Wait, so the justification for suppressing a particular women is because the system suppresses women generally?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 11, 2018, 11:33:02 AM
much of it is male privilege because it's men making the decisions. We've had women's college basketball at the NCAA level for over 30 years and women's professional basketball for over 20 years and you're telling me there aren't enough qualified women to be head coaches? There is one other factor too - sexuality. Whether it is legit or now, on the recruiting trail many male coaches use it (whether legit or not) against female coaches.
MU has been fortunate to have two very qualified women running their program in Teri Mitchell and now Carolyn Krieger. There are certainly more like Carolyn out there who deserve a chance to be a head coach.
How so? I am just trying to understand how a male coach could persuade a female recruit to come play for him because of "sexuality"( not sure what you mean by sexuality). It seems counter intuitive to me that a female recruit would choose to play for a male coach if he is denigrating a rival female coach based on her sex.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 11, 2018, 12:10:29 PM
How so? I am just trying to understand how a male coach could persuade a female recruit to come play for him because of "sexuality"( not sure what you mean by sexuality). It seems counter intuitive to me that a female recruit would choose to play for a male coach if he is denigrating a rival female coach based on her sex.
I could be mistaken here, but I believe he's suggesting that male coaches intimate that certain female coaches are gay in the hopes that this will dissuade the athlete from going to that program.
Quote from: mu03eng on May 11, 2018, 11:36:55 AM
Wait, so the justification for suppressing a particular women is because the system suppresses women generally?
I am not justifying anything. There are just more opportunities for women in basketball than the other sports and just asked the question? Who hires coaches at the high school level for all sports and how many women actually apply for those positions? If we want to see more women coaches I think that is where it should begin so they can go on to coach in college and even the pros. Are those not legitimate question?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on May 11, 2018, 12:20:55 PM
I could be mistaken here, but I believe he's suggesting that male coaches intimate that certain female coaches are gay in the hopes that this will dissuade the athlete from going to that program.
I don't think that strategy will work very well with today's open minded young women.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 11, 2018, 12:30:22 PM
I don't think that strategy will work very well with today's open minded young women.
I think you might be surprised. I agree totally that it probably doesn't work nearly as well as it used to, but I think that there is still a fair amount of bias out there even if it's not discussed openly.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 11, 2018, 12:30:22 PM
I don't think that strategy will work very well with today's open minded young women.
http://www.espn.com/ncw/news/story?page=Mag15unhealthyclimate
Homophobia is very much still a thing. And even if it wouldn't work on the recruit, it may work on their parents.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 11, 2018, 12:23:01 PM
I am not justifying anything. There are just more opportunities for women in basketball than the other sports and just asked the question? Who hires coaches at the high school level for all sports and how many women actually apply for those positions? If we want to see more women coaches I think that is where it should begin so they can go on to coach in college and even the pros. Are those not legitimate question?
It's a question of scale and targets. One could argue there aren't a lot of female coaches at the high school and college level because there aren't any visible coaches at the professional(NBA) level. Same concept as pushing STEM with young women, you have to give them role models to look to so that more people view it as a viable profession. Rare is the person who wants to slog away at a low level job with little or no hope(because it hasn't been done) of getting a big/bigger job in the space.
Quote from: TAMU McEwen on May 11, 2018, 12:48:24 PM
http://www.espn.com/ncw/news/story?page=Mag15unhealthyclimate
Homophobia is very much still a thing. And even if it wouldn't work on the recruit, it may work on their parents.
You don't things have changed enough since that article was written and if the recruit really wanted to play for that other coach you think the parents would really sway the recruit? Also a coach would have to take a big gamble that a highly sought after recruit's parents are averse for their daughter to play for a gay coach. It could very well back fire. Having said that your point is well taken.
Quote from: TAMU McEwen on May 11, 2018, 12:48:24 PM
Homophobia is very much still a thing.
All one has to do to confirm this is read jay bee's posts.
Quote from: mu03eng on May 11, 2018, 01:35:06 PM
It's a question of scale and targets. One could argue there aren't a lot of female coaches at the high school and college level because there aren't any visible coaches at the professional(NBA) level. Same concept as pushing STEM with young women, you have to give them role models to look to so that more people view it as a viable profession. Rare is the person who wants to slog away at a low level job with little or no hope(because it hasn't been done) of getting a big/bigger job in the space.
I guess what I'm asking are there women applying for these jobs not because they want to become a major league coach, but that is what they want to do because it is a job that they just like doing; and if they become successful at it opportunities will arise where the can advance because people will take notice.
Jay bee gotta Jay bee. Sad.
Quote from: tower912 on May 11, 2018, 01:45:43 PM
Jay bee gotta Jay bee. Sad.
Please stop the attacks!!!
#NoHammonWhereBoysBeJammin
Acknowledging you being you is an attack?
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 11, 2018, 01:56:54 PM
Please stop the attacks!!!
#NoHammonWhereBoysBeJammin
Not an attack, a statement of fact.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 11, 2018, 12:30:22 PM
I don't think that strategy will work very well with today's open minded young women.
maybe not the recruits as much, but the parents......
Quote from: TSmith34 on May 11, 2018, 01:37:17 PM
All one has to do to confirm this is read jay bee's posts.
I think he dislikes women more than gays.
Don't understand y wee kant all bee friends, hey?
Why the negativity? Every decision about a coach is a dice roll. To fire or not. To hire a retread or an untried assistant. To hire one that was indicted on sexual assault charges 20 years ago that nobody knew about or not. To hire a coach from the Popovich tree or not. To hire a recently fired coach of the year or not. All gambles.
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Quote from: #bansultan on May 11, 2018, 11:22:26 AM
From Gasol's article:
"O.K. — and then one more thing. It's almost too stupid to include here ... but at the same time, in another way, I also think it's pretty important. And it gets at something about this league, in the bigger picture, that I've been thinking about a lot lately.
It's this idea that, if there were a female head coach in the NBA, there would be some sort of ... "awkwardness in the locker room."
Maybe you're laughing to yourself as you read that. And I get it. It's ridiculous. But I think it's worth taking seriously, too, for a moment — just in terms of how embarrassing it is for us as a league that this is something people are actually talking about.
First, as for the idea itself: I mean, of course it's a myth. Give me a break. There's really nothing to say about it even. The players dress in a certain area, and the coaches dress in a certain area. O.K.? And yes, I'm sure, within that coaches area, Becky has a private space. But the point is — it's not like you're seeing male head coaches sharing a space with players while they're changing. It doesn't happen. So all I can tell you is that from a decade and a half of personal experience ... this line of thinking — like I said, it's all just very ridiculous. In terms of the locker room, and in terms of behind the scenes, there really is no practical difference in this league between having a male or a female head coach."
This is excellent, and it's so true.
The NBA was the first league to take the "exposed willy" out of the equation in dealing with female sportswriters, too. NBA players have not been getting naked in the "outer locker room" for many, many, many years now, and that's the only place reporters of both genders are allowed entry.
Even before that, most NBA players would use an NBA-issued bathrobe, complete with logos in team colors. They would pull on their underwear without exposing themselves.
Very progressive league. First to use women game officials. First to have women in management positions. First to have women as full-time assistant. I would not be the least bit surprised to see a female head coach, and I have every reason to believe she would be accepted by most players.
Man do I hope they hire her!
We can't do much worse than Kidd. And great PR, a whole new fan base of women. And better tan anything else, she can coach and coach really well.
Sign me up.
A certain Marquette grad believes Becky Hammon is the real deal and if the Bucks hire her would back it up with a sponsorship.
https://twitter.com/marcuslemonis/status/992585034149195776?s=20
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 11, 2018, 01:56:54 PM
Please stop the attacks!!!
#NoHammonWhereBoysBeJammin
Hammon's forgotten more basketball than you'll ever know.
Jay Bee less credible than the "Crystal Bowel".
Quote from: fjm on May 11, 2018, 08:34:53 PM
Man do I hope they hire her!
We can't do much worse than Kidd. And great PR, a whole new fan base of women. And better tan anything else, she can coach and coach really well.
Sign me up.
What is the going rate for coaches in the NBA? The only pro sports I follow are the Yanks and if my Giants are doing well football. I prefer college basketball over the NBA which is why I asked.
as warrior and goose stated this well in the "nm" thread-this ain't the time for a social experiment or to make a decision on a head coach based on what the "big chatter" is about. if the bucks don't take becky, it should be for reasons other than her coaching abilities as most here seem to believe she can and i'm not going to deny that.
the other thing going on here is IF the bucks do not hire her, watch the main stream castigate the bucks AND milwaukee for being behind the times, misogynist, intolerant, old school, living out of the 60's etc etc
the bucks cannot afford to get this wrong. the owners cannot use the bucks as their little "play thing" hobby to have something to do on weekends. for milwaukee and the nba, and as uncle joe couldn't have put it any better-"this is a big F 'ing deal ya know"
It is a big deal. And every hire is an experiment. Sometimes you get Brad or Kerr. Sometimes you get a bad fit like Phil in New York, instead of Phil in Chicago or LA. On paper, you are looking for a candidate with the exact same qualifications as the guy you just fired.
She's a she. Get over it. Is it really any more of a gamble than Budenholzer, Casey, Stackhouse?
(https://twitter.com/AlexanderLasry/status/995064265966006273)
Quick summary of the tweet: Read Gasol's comments, she's qualified, this is not a social experiment.
Edit: Not sure if my link is working. Those comments were from Alex Lasry.
Man, sum of y'all just will neva get it. Have fun dealin' wit life and reality, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 12, 2018, 07:17:58 AM
Man, sum of y'all just will neva get it. Have fun dealin' wit life and reality, aina?
Explain it then.
Quote from: Buzzed on May 11, 2018, 09:31:13 PM
A certain Marquette grad believes Becky Hammon is the real deal and if the Bucks hire her would back it up with a sponsorship.
https://twitter.com/marcuslemonis/status/992585034149195776?s=20
The owners might jump on this to finally get the naming rights done.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on May 12, 2018, 06:15:56 AM
the other thing going on here is IF the bucks do not hire her, watch the main stream castigate the bucks AND milwaukee for being behind the times, misogynist, intolerant, old school, living out of the 60's etc etc
Well ... looky who's getting political here!
Given that other teams have interviewed and not hired her, I'm not sure why the Bucks would be singled out. A lot would have to do with the messaging - why she wasn't hired.
Quote from: tower912 on May 12, 2018, 08:26:40 AM
Explain it then.
Everything biologically necessary for a person to be a successful NBA coach is housed in the prostate gland.
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My take: It doesn't matter who the Bucks hire. The roster is already screwed up with bad contracts. I don't see anyway they can get a difference maker in free agency and any worthwhile trade would send out one of the few quality players they have.
With the new stadium opening, you can't even trade Giannis and burn it all down. Otherwise, this would be the time to do it. A good draft and some interesting young players already in the league; you might be able to get a good package since Giannis has three years of control.
Instead, the Bucks will stand pat and remain mediocre for the next two years. Maybe win a playoff series. Then Giannis will be traded with one year left on his deal and the Bucks rebuild again.
Big picture, I don't care who the Bucks hire. I am a Pistons fan. We are in the same boat with similar crap contracts and not many draft picks. The Pistons need a GM and a coach, since Gores was foolish enough to think SVG could do both. The names being bandied about are Chauncey Billups for GM and Jerry Stackhouse for coach. Billups, because he is seen as similar to Dumars. Stackhouse, because he was a decent coach in the G-league (an aside here. I saw him coach. He actually had his players playing defense within a system. Ironic because he never played defense as a player. Impressive because it is exceedingly difficult to put in a defensive 'system' in the G-league due to roster turnover and players trying to make the league) and is not far removed from being a player.
It pisses me off to no end to have ANYONE discounted due to gender, melatonin, or sexual preference. I don't know if she can be a head coach in the NBA. A male with her resume' would certainly be getting lots of interviews and not be getting nearly as much blowback.
Quote from: MU82 on May 11, 2018, 06:42:05 PM
This is excellent, and it's so true.
The NBA was the first league to take the "exposed willy" out of the equation in dealing with female sportswriters, too. NBA players have not been getting naked in the "outer locker room" for many, many, many years now, and that's the only place reporters of both genders are allowed entry.
Even before that, most NBA players would use an NBA-issued bathrobe, complete with logos in team colors. They would pull on their underwear without exposing themselves.
Very progressive league. First to use women game officials. First to have women in management positions. First to have women as full-time assistant. I would not be the least bit surprised to see a female head coach, and I have every reason to believe she would be accepted by most players.
Not to mention, the argument just doesn't make sense. No one sees problems with male coaches, coaching females, and the whole possible nudity/locker room problem.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on May 12, 2018, 06:15:56 AM
as warrior and goose stated this well in the "nm" thread-this ain't the time for a social experiment or to make a decision on a head coach based on what the "big chatter" is about. if the bucks don't take becky, it should be for reasons other than her coaching abilities as most here seem to believe she can and i'm not going to deny that.
the other thing going on here is IF the bucks do not hire her, watch the main stream castigate the bucks AND milwaukee for being behind the times, misogynist, intolerant, old school, living out of the 60's etc etc
the bucks cannot afford to get this wrong. the owners cannot use the bucks as their little "play thing" hobby to have something to do on weekends. for milwaukee and the nba, and as uncle joe couldn't have put it any better-"this is a big F 'ing deal ya know"
This is too important of a decision to exclude candidates just for the sake of continuing the bizarre social experiment of completely ignoring one half of the world's population when interviewing coaches.
Quote from: tower912 on May 12, 2018, 08:26:40 AM
Explain it then.
Its a business decision. Ya select the best candidate whether they are blue, green, pink, black, male, female, trans, pan, heterosexual, homosexual or an elephant. Business men and women make business decisions regardless of a warm and fuzzy, feel good story. I can accept the result. Doubt that pertains to many of y'all, hey?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 11, 2018, 11:16:49 PM
Hammon's forgotten more basketball than you'll ever know.
Jay Bee less credible than the "Crystal Bowel".
What an awful personal attack. We're discussing a broad in the public domain... yet you attack me?? This is far worse than the airport picture
Anyway, should people born as males be allowed to play in the WNBA?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on May 12, 2018, 06:15:56 AM
the other thing going on here is IF the bucks do not hire her, watch the main stream castigate the bucks AND milwaukee for being behind the times, misogynist, intolerant, old school, living out of the 60's etc etc
Doubtful. The Bucks will be praised for giving her a chance.
Quote from: forgetful on May 12, 2018, 09:17:34 AM
Not to mention, the argument just doesn't make sense. No one sees problems with male coaches, coaching females, and the whole possible nudity/locker room problem.
Unless the coach is Tyler Summitt. :-X
Quote from: rocket surgeon on May 12, 2018, 06:15:56 AM
the other thing going on here is IF the bucks do not hire her, watch the main stream castigate the bucks AND milwaukee for being behind the times, misogynist, intolerant, old school, living out of the 60's etc etc
I doubt it. She already wasn't hired for the Colorado state job and I don't remember any castigation.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 12, 2018, 10:39:17 AM
Its a business decision. Ya select the best candidate whether they are blue, green, pink, black, male, female, trans, pan, heterosexual, homosexual or an elephant. Business men and women make business decisions regardless of a warm and fuzzy, feel good story. I can accept the result. Doubt that pertains to many of y'all, hey?
Who has said that she should be hired if she's not the best candidate?
I only want them to hire the best candidate for the job. I have no idea who that is. If it's Hammon, great. If it's someone else great.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 12, 2018, 10:39:17 AM
Its a business decision. Ya select the best candidate whether they are blue, green, pink, black, male, female, trans, pan, heterosexual, homosexual or an elephant. Business men and women make business decisions regardless of a warm and fuzzy, feel good story. I can accept the result. Doubt that pertains to many of y'all, hey?
Candidates that are not the best are selected for jobs all the time, not just in sports but in business and government, too. All the time.
Quite often, it's because those doing the selecting go for the familiar - a person they know or have some kind of history and/or comfort with. Jordan, for example, has favored guys with UNC background - often to very poor results.
When I got some decision-making power years ago, all of a sudden "friends" were coming out of the woodwork looking for jobs/promotions/etc.
Other reasons the better candidate might not get a job even if racism, sexism or some other kind of ism is a non-factor: money (he/she wants too much); perceived "fit" in the organization; too similar to employee being replaced ("we lost with a defense-minded coach, so now we're going for an offensive-minded coach" or vice versa - happens quite often in the NFL); went for the "big name" coach or CEO assuming he/she "had to be better" than the relative no-name; etc.
Let's not pretend that sports teams ... or corporation board of directors ... or voters always (or even usually) select the "better" candidates.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 12, 2018, 10:41:48 AM
What an awful personal attack. We're discussing a broad in the public domain... yet you attack me?? This is far worse than the airport picture
Anyway, should people born as males be allowed to play in the WNBA?
Thoughts and prayers.
Quote from: MU82 on May 12, 2018, 11:48:11 AM
Candidates that are not the best are selected for jobs all the time, not just in sports but in business and government, too. All the time.
Quite often, it's because those doing the selecting go for the familiar - a person they know or have some kind of history and/or comfort with. Jordan, for example, has favored guys with UNC background - often to very poor results.
When I got some decision-making power years ago, all of a sudden "friends" were coming out of the woodwork looking for jobs/promotions/etc.
Other reasons the better candidate might not get a job even if racism, sexism or some other kind of ism is a non-factor: money (he/she wants too much); perceived "fit" in the organization; too similar to employee being replaced ("we lost with a defense-minded coach, so now we're going for an offensive-minded coach" or vice versa - happens quite often in the NFL); went for the "big name" coach or CEO assuming he/she "had to be better" than the relative no-name; etc.
Let's not pretend that sports teams ... or corporation board of directors ... or voters always (or even usually) select the "better" candidates.
Well den dayer fookin' idiots, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 12, 2018, 12:26:39 PM
Well den dayer fookin' idiots, aina?
Know arguemento hear.
Quote from: fjm on May 11, 2018, 08:34:53 PM
Man do I hope they hire her!
We can't do much worse than Kidd. And great PR, a whole new fan base of women. And better tan anything else, she can coach and coach really well.
Sign me up.
I have a friend who is a NBA assistant and just lost out on a HC job for the third time when he was a "finalist." He's been hyped as one of those "nines to watch " for a few years. Over brews once he said he has no issues with losing out to a qualified candidate who's paid their dues, but what frustrates him and other assistants are the Jason Kidd types: no coaching experience but getting their jobs because of their playing experience alone. Kenny Smith getting called for the Knicks job pissed him off. He climbed from D2 assistant to D League assistant to NBA assistant over the last 14 years. Meanwhile, Kidd walked off the court to the first chair. As for Hammon, she's paid her dues, climbed through the ranks, she coaches with Pop and has learned from the best, he's all good if she get a HC job.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 12, 2018, 10:39:17 AM
Its a business decision. Ya select the best candidate whether they are blue, green, pink, black, male, female, trans, pan, heterosexual, homosexual or an elephant. Business men and women make business decisions regardless of a warm and fuzzy, feel good story. I can accept the result. Doubt that pertains to many of y'all, hey?
We agree. The Bucks should hire whomever they think is best for the job. If they decide she is it, OK. If they decide they like someone better, OK. I don't exclude her because of her gender. I don't give her bonus points for her gender.
Quote from: MU82 on May 12, 2018, 11:48:11 AM
Candidates that are not the best are selected for jobs all the time, not just in sports but in business and government, too. All the time.
See Kidd, Jason F.
As for the original question... of course yes.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 12, 2018, 12:49:04 PM
I have a friend who is a NBA assistant and just lost out on a HC job for the third time when he was a "finalist." He's been hyped as one of those "nines to watch " for a few years. Over brews once he said he has no issues with losing out to a qualified candidate who's paid their dues, but what frustrates him and other assistants are the Jason Kidd types: no coaching experience but getting their jobs because of their playing experience alone. Kenny Smith getting called for the Knicks job pissed him off. He climbed from D2 assistant to D League assistant to NBA assistant over the last 14 years. Meanwhile, Kidd walked off the court to the first chair. As for Hammon, she's paid her dues, climbed through the ranks, she coaches with Pop and has learned from the best, he's all good if she get a HC job.
Really?! 4 years as an assistant is paying your dues? How has she "climbed through the ranks"? She's held 1 job in the NBA!
Of course that summer league title three years ago... ::)
The fact is you don't need to "pay your dues." Smart, capable people can succeed without a lot of experience, and experienced people can fail miserably. Pat Riley was an assistant for two seasons. Doc Rivers was coaching a couple years after his playing days ended and never served as an assistant.
Quote from: #bansultan on May 12, 2018, 04:45:35 PM
The fact is you don't need to "pay your dues." Smart, capable people can succeed without a lot of experience, and experienced people can fail miserably. Pat Riley was an assistant for two seasons. Doc Rivers was coaching a couple years after his playing days ended and never served as an assistant.
Steve Kerr was hired from TV. You just never know.
Quote from: Lazar's Canadian Bacon Headband on May 12, 2018, 06:10:23 PM
Steve Kerr was hired from TV. You just never know.
But he had served for a number of years as GM of the Suns.
Quote from: #bansultan on May 12, 2018, 06:17:52 PM
But he had served for a number of years as GM of the Suns.
You know, I had completely forgotten about that. Maybe that is an indicator of Kerr's GM ability.
Deadspin picked up D'Amato's pretty dumb column about this.
https://deadspin.com/crap-for-brains-columnist-says-existence-of-misogyny-sh-1825984902
Quote from: #bansultan on May 12, 2018, 06:17:52 PM
But he had served for a number of years as GM of the Suns.
I don't have his history right in front of me, but IIRC, Kerr was a pretty crappy GM.
Quote from: MU82 on May 12, 2018, 08:09:08 PM
I don't have his history right in front of me, but IIRC, Kerr was a pretty crappy GM.
Yep. Although the Suns have had pretty crappy owners for awhile now.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 12, 2018, 12:26:39 PM
Well den dayer fookin' idiots, aina?
Do you understand the irony of you writing that "sentence"?
Brandy, if you want to continue to get personal, just keep it up.
First time ever, tonight my AAU team played a team coached by a woman.
We won by 15.
Actually kind of surprised we don't see it more at the AAU level.
I gotta ask, is this whole misogynistic and homophobic positioning just a schtick/character? if so, kudos...the commitment is impressive and the schtick is worth it.
if not, and it does not take a licenced psychiatrist to see this, you are either confused about your own orientation or you are super angry about some inadequacy. If it's not a schtick, you should come to grips with what is bothering you.....it's not healthy to live with this level of contempt.
Back to the original question. Yes.
Looks like the Bucks are focusing on former Hawks coach Mike Budenholzer and current Spurs assistant, and Euro coaching legend, Ettore Messina. (He is literally called "The Stew Morrill of Europe.")
Isn't Mike Budenholzer in for a 2nd interview today? If so, hire the man!
Quote from: #bansultan on May 15, 2018, 11:50:53 AM
Looks like the Bucks are focusing on former Hawks coach Mike Budenholzer and current Spurs assistant, and Euro coaching legend, Ettore Messina. (He is literally called "The Stew Morrill of Europe.")
Post of the week!
Bucks hire Budenholzer. Fauxrage averted.
Quote from: tower912 on May 16, 2018, 06:22:25 PM
Bucks hire Budenholzer. Fauxrage averted.
Not a Bucks fan but props on the hire. It might keep Giannis around three more seasons instead if two.
Quote from: tower912 on May 16, 2018, 06:22:25 PM
Bucks hire Budenholzer. Fauxrage averted.
Horrible decision not made, you mean. Can't imagine a woman HC in the NBA. bad idea.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 17, 2018, 08:24:25 AM
Can't imagine a woman HC in the NBA. bad idea.
Why?
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 17, 2018, 08:24:25 AM
Horrible decision not made, you mean. Can't imagine a woman HC in the NBA. bad idea.
Yeah, why?
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 17, 2018, 08:24:25 AM
Horrible decision not made, you mean. Can't imagine a woman HC in the NBA. bad idea.
Why?
Quote from: mu03eng on May 17, 2018, 08:38:29 AM
Yeah, why?
I believe the stated reason is because men can't play in the WNBA, which I'm still trying to wrap my head around.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on May 12, 2018, 06:15:56 AM
the other thing going on here is IF the bucks do not hire her, watch the main stream castigate the bucks AND milwaukee for being behind the times, misogynist, intolerant, old school, living out of the 60's etc etc
Has this happened yet? Or did I miss something? Rocket assured us this would happen...
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 17, 2018, 08:24:25 AM
Horrible decision not made, you mean. Can't imagine a woman HC in the NBA. bad idea.
Why?
Answer to OP:
This is dumb. Of course.
Quote from: tower912 on May 17, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Why?
"Boobs get in the way of proper dry-erase board usage."
- Ben Wright
Quote from: #bansultan on May 17, 2018, 10:39:04 AM
Has this happened yet? Or did I miss something? Rocket assured us this would happen...
Victimhood denied. Must of been disappointing.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 17, 2018, 08:24:25 AM
Horrible decision not made, you mean. Can't imagine a woman HC in the NBA. bad idea.
I gotta ask, is this whole misogynistic and homophobic positioning just a schtick/character? if so, kudos...the commitment is impressive and the schtick is worth it.
if not, and it does not take a licenced psychiatrist to see this, you are either confused about your own orientation or you are super angry about some inadequacy. If it's not a schtick, you should come to grips with what is bothering you.....it's not healthy to live with this level of contempt.