Is Archie Miller a bag-drop kind of guy?
Does he have to be to get an Indiana kid to go to IU for a year before going to the NBA?
S u p e r b a r
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 30, 2018, 09:40:01 PM
Nice typeset
IU got a little lucky in the sense that he was a huge huge louisville lean before the debacle. He is right across the ohio r. From louisville.
Also goes to show that its not that hard to get the indiana kids to stay home unless u are a complete loser like Crean and the state's coaches know it
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on April 30, 2018, 09:55:33 PM
IU got a little lucky in the sense that he was a huge huge louisville lean before the debacle. He is right across the ohio r. From louisville.
Also goes to show that its not that hard to get the indiana kids to stay home unless u are a complete loser like Crean and the state's coaches know it
Not a Crean fan, but he had some pretty good classes including 5-star, Indiana native Cody Zeller. Recruiting was never the problem...
I think the stat was he only signed 5 top 100 kids from Indiana during his time there.
Quote from: lawdog77 on May 01, 2018, 10:23:32 AM
I think the stat was he only signed 5 top 100 kids from Indiana during his time there.
Out of how many?
Five could quite impressive or quite terrible. I'm guessing it's somewhere in the middle.
Quote from: barfolomew on May 01, 2018, 10:28:09 AM
Out of how many?
Five could quite impressive or quite terrible. I'm guessing it's somewhere in the middle.
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2017/03/16/insider--state-recruiting-became-issue-tom-crean/99265218/
Essentially, he had the momentum early with Zeller, but lost five straight Mr. Basketballs to other power programs - including one whose family were lifelong IU fans.
Quote from: Windyplayer on May 01, 2018, 10:03:01 AM
Not a Crean fan, but he had some pretty good classes including 5-star, Indiana native Cody Zeller. Recruiting was never the problem...
Actually was the problem . Cody zeller graduated high school 6 years ago and the best players continuously left the state. Look at the stars on the xavier and msu and purdue also ucla and others rosters. When the top 4-5 players each year are 4 and 5 star players and none of them sign at IU year after year, well yes u do have a problem. Many articles discussing this with comments from players and coaches to this affect. Interweb is ur friend
Quote from: barfolomew on May 01, 2018, 10:28:09 AM
Out of how many?
Five could quite impressive or quite terrible. I'm guessing it's somewhere in the middle.
Indiana probably averages 5 top 100 kids a year, arguably the most fertile recruiting area in the country. Typically a mcdonalds all american or more a year. One only needs to look at msu's and xaviers rosters for a small sampling.
Good article sultan, that was the sentiment and the reality. 5 star recruits going everywhere but IU, might want to read it windy.
Debating if our coach from over a decade ago was a recruiting failure at the job he was fired from over a year ago.
We are officially in Scoop offseason...
Quote from: 1SE on May 01, 2018, 11:44:30 AM
Debating if our coach from over a decade ago was a recruiting failure at the job he was fired from over a year ago.
We are officially in Scoop offseason...
Nah, no one has brought up bringing back football yet. That's the last sign of the off-season along with a TC update and the Warriors nickname (both of which we covered already)
Quote from: #bansultan on May 01, 2018, 10:42:20 AM
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2017/03/16/insider--state-recruiting-became-issue-tom-crean/99265218/
Essentially, he had the momentum early with Zeller, but lost five straight Mr. Basketballs to other power programs - including one whose family were lifelong IU fans.
I think it gets harder to recruit when fans start calling for your head.
Quote from: TAMU McEwen on May 01, 2018, 11:47:32 AM
Nah, no one has brought up bringing back football yet. That's the last sign of the off-season along with a TC update and the Warriors nickname (both of which we covered already)
Nah, it kicks into high gear with the Sonoran Salsa thread.....which starts this weekend at the Waukesha Farmers Market!
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on May 01, 2018, 11:26:28 AM
Indiana probably averages 5 top 100 kids a year, arguably the most fertile recruiting area in the country. Typically a mcdonalds all american or more a year. One only needs to look at msu's and xaviers rosters for a small sampling.
ESPN article states 5 out if a possible 35...I am too lazy to fact check
Quote from: bilsu on May 01, 2018, 11:48:33 AM
I think it gets harder to recruit when fans start calling for your head.
Well no one has really regularly kept the in-state recruits in Indiana since the 1980s anyway. Knight was losing them with regularity as well. (Eric Montross being the earliest most notable.) It really is a somewhat irrational expectation of a lot of IU fans.
Quote from: lawdog77 on May 01, 2018, 12:05:15 PM
ESPN article states 5 out if a possible 35...I am too lazy to fact check
So I'd say 14% is fine.
Not great, but OK.
Figure that at least 40% (ass-pull number) would leave the state anyway for various reasons, that leaves 21 out of 35 top 100 kids for the four high major programs in Indiana.
That would be 5.25 kids for each program if they pull at even levels. Let's assume, as the Hoosier fanbase undoubtedly does, that they should be the top pull in the state, and Crean "should" have secured at most 7 or 8 kids.
Quote from: TAMU McEwen on May 01, 2018, 11:47:32 AM
Nah, no one has brought up bringing back football yet. That's the last sign of the off-season along with a TC update and the Warriors nickname (both of which we covered already)
Don't forget the on campus arena...
President Lovell hasn't...
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/marquette-from-the-ground-up/52113
QuoteThe competition facility remains a question mark. The team plays most of its games indoor at Valley Fields. There is a grass soccer field that was the site of the sold-out NCAA Tournament First Round game against North Carolina, but use of it is heavily dependent upon the weather.
Marquette doesn't have the picturesque grass malls, or the brick and marble structures synonymous with the sport's Northeastern and Mid-Atlantic institutions. It's an urban campus, mixed in with a city in the midst of revitalization. But, the campus has bought up surrounding land, with acres of valuable real estate at its disposal for projects. In the next six to eight years, about $600 million in growth in facilities on campus already planned, said Lovell.
"We have about 11 acres. Whether that's soccer, a new arena for basketball in the future, lacrosse, we now have an opportunity to master plan and use that property," he said. "We're taking our time to figure out what's next. We have the ability to dream because we have the space.
"We do want to get to a time when we have a playing facility for our lacrosse team."
Quote from: real chili 83 on May 01, 2018, 12:02:52 PM
Nah, it kicks into high gear with the Sonoran Salsa thread.....which starts this weekend at the Waukesha Farmers Market!
Get some!
Quote from: barfolomew on May 01, 2018, 12:37:38 PM
So I'd say 14% is fine.
Not great, but OK.
Figure that at least 40% (ass-pull number) would leave the state anyway for various reasons, that leaves 21 out of 35 top 100 kids for the four high major programs in Indiana.
That would be 5.25 kids for each program if they pull at even levels. Let's assume, as the Hoosier fanbase undoubtedly does, that they should be the top pull in the state, and Crean "should" have secured at most 7 or 8 kids.
IU should pull in way more than 14% of the top 100 kids in the state - if they have all been recruited by them. You're being way too easy on TC here, and I'm not even a TC hater.
Quote from: The Lens on May 01, 2018, 12:42:06 PM
Don't forget the on campus arena...
President Lovell hasn't...
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/marquette-from-the-ground-up/52113
Dis is gonna piss off Ma and Pa. Especially, since dey didn't here any grumblin's 'round Zilber, hey?
Quote from: TAMU McEwen on May 01, 2018, 11:47:32 AM
Nah, no one has brought up bringing back football yet. That's the last sign of the off-season along with a TC update and the Warriors nickname (both of which we covered already)
Two words: medical school
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 01, 2018, 01:41:54 PM
Dis is gonna piss off Ma and Pa. Especially, since dey didn't here any grumblin's 'round Zilber, hey?
;)
Quote from: #bansultan on May 01, 2018, 12:24:09 PM
Well no one has really regularly kept the in-state recruits in Indiana since the 1980s anyway. Knight was losing them with regularity as well. (Eric Montross being the earliest most notable.) It really is a somewhat irrational expectation of a lot of IU fans.
Dont disagree but it got really bad for crean. Akin to wojo getting the random 3 star from wisconsin while 4-5 stars go elsewhere. Hard comparison tho as the instate talent in indiana is so much deeper
Quote from: The Lens on May 01, 2018, 12:42:06 PM
Don't forget the on campus arena...
President Lovell hasn't...
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/marquette-from-the-ground-up/52113
Doesn't Lovell know the Scoop rules against discussing an on-campus arena?
Thanks for the article. It was a good read, but I do seriously question the claim that people from all over the country now recognize Marquette because of our lacrosse team.
Fun to claim it, fun to think it, but please.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on May 01, 2018, 03:10:35 PM
Dont disagree but it got really bad for crean. Akin to wojo getting the random 3 star from wisconsin while 4-5 stars go elsewhere. Hard comparison tho as the instate talent in indiana is so much deeper
And Indiana has double the number of high major programs.
Lots of things get discussed. Some even have studies done. Until ground is broken, (and probably even after) I am skeptical that MU building an arena is a wise use of limited funds.
Quote from: tower912 on May 01, 2018, 03:32:41 PM
Lots of things get discussed. Some even have studies done. Until ground is broken, (and probably even after) I am skeptical that MU building an arena is a wise use of limited funds.
I don't disagree, more than anything creating some leverage with the Bucks owners. That being said, once a President says it
publically a lot of imaginations will run wild. Some might even call up with donations.
Quote from: MU82 on May 01, 2018, 03:17:00 PM
Doesn't Lovell know the Scoop rules against discussing an on-campus arena?
Thanks for the article. It was a good read, but I do seriously question the claim that people from all over the country now recognize Marquette because of our lacrosse team.
Fun to claim it, fun to think it, but please.
I don't think the claim is overstated. You have to remember how big the lax universe is, it is small. I have two friends that played college lacrosse 15-20 years ago and they know all about MU's success in lax. You are right though.. good read, I hope Amplo hangs around for a while.
Quote from: MU82 on May 01, 2018, 03:17:00 PM
Doesn't Lovell know the Scoop rules against discussing an on-campus arena?
Thanks for the article. It was a good read, but I do seriously question the claim that people from all over the country now recognize Marquette because of our lacrosse team.
Fun to claim it, fun to think it, but please.
People recognize Marquette from all over the country because he fired McAdams; not so much the LAX team.
Sorry, could not help myself.
Lacrosse is a whole different world. Could you imagine Yale, Denver, Albany or Johns Hopkins appearing in the AP/Coach's Top 25 college basketball poll?
John Vassallo is an ESPN producer who says the sport of lacrosse is still developing. "The senior American sports have gotten the template down and it works. I still think lacrosse is in its infancy."
https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/fuel/industry/lacrosse-has-untapped-potential-as-tv-sport-espn-producer-says (https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/fuel/industry/lacrosse-has-untapped-potential-as-tv-sport-espn-producer-says)
The LAX parents pretty much paid for The Al Annex.
Quote from: MuMark on April 30, 2018, 08:39:41 PM
Does he have to be to get an Indiana kid to go to IU for a year before going to the NBA?
I pondered this question for a few days.
Marquette and Wisconsin have had trouble with this in The past. So I don't think it's as simple as you made it sound