Hiring agent as well. Not a surprise, but official now.
Glad he won't be around to torment us anymore. Great college player, not sure how well he'll transition to NBA.
Good for Jalen Brunson, nothing left for him to prove in college. I expect him to have a long NBA career, not as a star, but he will make any team better. Here's to hoping Dante Divincenzo declres as well!
Quote from: flash on April 11, 2018, 07:41:20 AM
Here's to hoping Dante Divincenzo declres as well!
And takes Spellman with him!
Phenomenal college player. Two NCAA titles, a #1 overall seed, and NPOY. All while graduating in three years. I'll miss watching him at this level, but it certainly makes things easier on us and the rest of the league.
Great college career, with a chance for a solid pro career as well.
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Bigger DJ Augustin...though Brunson's not going in the top 10.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 11, 2018, 09:11:16 AM
Bigger DJ Augustin...though Brunson's not going in the top 10.
I like the smaller Draymond Green comparison.
And I've made the Mark Jackson comparison many times.
Hell of a college player, and I think he'll be one of those late-first or second-round guys who has a long, long NBA career.
The thing is, I don't think Green and Brunson are remotely comparable. Body type yes, but their games aren't very similar at all.
Jackson I get though.
Quote from: MU82 on April 11, 2018, 09:27:23 AM
I like the smaller Draymond Green comparison.
And I've made the Mark Jackson comparison many times.
Hell of a college player, and I think he'll be one of those late-first or second-round guys who has a long, long NBA career.
I'd be shocked if the Spurs didn't take him if he's around that long. He'd thrive with a roster like the T-Wolves too. I like his prospects, and the Mark Jackson comparison is a good one.
Nothing but respect. Nothing left to accomplish at the college level. Good luck, young man.
Quote from: tower912 on April 11, 2018, 09:38:37 AM
Nothing but respect. Nothing left to accomplish at the college level. Good luck, young man.
+1
Don't like the Draymond comparison. A huge part of his game is being 6-7, able to rebound against 4s and 5s, and defending all 5 positions.
Mark Jackson is better but I have not seen enough of Brunson to know if he has everything Jackson had. Post passing, yes. Jump hook over the defender? Head and shoulder fakes while dribbling (shimmy)? Tear drop in the lane? Jackson had all of those.
At worst, I see a clone of his dad Rick. 10+ year NBA backup. If he's Andre Miller with a jump shot, giddy up!
Edit: Chi-town came up with the Andre Miller comparison. I didn't intend to pass it off as my own. My apologies.
I think Spellman is comparable to Draymond Green. Don't see the comparison with Brunson
The Green-Brunson comparison is just about their ability to post up despite not being big men and to pass from the post. I agree it's a stretch, but I still like it.
Brunson shoots better than Jackson did but yeah, Jackson had an outstanding, long career.
Andre Miller with a jump shot - outstanding stuff.
A little scary to me that if Nova's big three all went NBA, they would still have 3 of the top 11 Big East players based on my www.valueaddbasketball.com projections. Mikal Bridges was even better than Brunson in Value Add this year, and he is the lottery pick of that group, but happy Brunson went out on top and won't beat us anymore! I've updated the google sheet https://tinyurl.com/y9mr9uu4 to change him from "Villanova/could go NBA" to "gone," but I only update www.valueaddbasketball.com every few days, so he still shows up as Villanova there
And hey, if they all three leave then Sam Hauser is the third best player in the Big East and Howard is seventh - and if we somehow get Cremo we would have three of the top 11 as well, for more of a fair fight.
33 Omari Spellman #14 Villanova 8.01
38 Jessie Govan #15 Georgetown 7.95
42 Sam Hauser #10 Marquette 7.81
90 Marcus Derrickson #24 Georgetown 6.86
106 Justin Simon #5 St. John's 6.62
109 Eric Paschall #4 Villanova 6.59
122 Markus Howard #0 Marquette 6.5
124 Myles Powell #13 Seton Hall 6.48
143 Kamar Baldwin #3 Butler 6.34
206 Alpha Diallo #11 Providence 5.54
222 Jahvon Quinerly Villanova 5.4
Quote from: auburnmarquette on April 11, 2018, 11:50:15 AM
A little scary to me that if Nova's big three all went NBA, they would still have 3 of the top 11 Big East players based on my www.valueaddbasketball.com projections. Mikal Bridges was even better than Brunson in Value Add this year, and he is the lottery pick of that group, but happy Brunson went out on top and won't beat us anymore! I've updated the google sheet https://tinyurl.com/y9mr9uu4 to change him from "Villanova/could go NBA" to "gone," but I only update www.valueaddbasketball.com every few days, so he still shows up as Villanova there
And hey, if they all three leave then Sam Hauser is the third best player in the Big East and Howard is seventh - and if we somehow get Cremo we would have three of the top 11 as well, for more of a fair fight.
33 Omari Spellman #14 Villanova 8.01
38 Jessie Govan #15 Georgetown 7.95
42 Sam Hauser #10 Marquette 7.81
90 Marcus Derrickson #24 Georgetown 6.86
106 Justin Simon #5 St. John's 6.62
109 Eric Paschall #4 Villanova 6.59
122 Markus Howard #0 Marquette 6.5
124 Myles Powell #13 Seton Hall 6.48
143 Kamar Baldwin #3 Butler 6.34
206 Alpha Diallo #11 Providence 5.54
222 Jahvon Quinerly Villanova 5.4
Derrickson is gone.
I'm guessing Butler is counting on Jordan Tucker to add more than 0.7 to the team when he's available in December.
After transferring from Duke, I think he's the highest ranked recruit to ever play at Butler.
Even if Villanova were to lose all four of their best players, they would reload pretty quickly. As long as they don't lose their HC, they aren't going downhill.
Quote from: WarriorHal on April 11, 2018, 12:28:20 PM
Even if Villanova were to lose all four of their best players, they would reload pretty quickly. As long as they don't lose their HC, they aren't going downhill.
Yep, great example of a team going from pretty good basketball school to blue blood because their head coach stuck around. The infrastructure was in place as it is at MU ... here's to hoping Wojo can be that coach.
Quote from: Lazar's Canadian Bacon Headband on April 11, 2018, 10:36:28 AM
Don't like the Draymond comparison. A huge part of his game is being 6-7, able to rebound against 4s and 5s, and defending all 5 positions.
ick. 10+ year NBA backup. If he's Andre Miller with a jump shot, giddy up!
Agree about Draymond - don't see any comp. Green is under 6'6" though, which makes his accomplishments even more compelling.
Quote from: auburnmarquette on April 11, 2018, 11:50:15 AM
A little scary to me that if Nova's big three all went NBA, they would still have 3 of the top 11 Big East players based on my www.valueaddbasketball.com projections. Mikal Bridges was even better than Brunson in Value Add this year, and he is the lottery pick of that group, but happy Brunson went out on top and won't beat us anymore! I've updated the google sheet https://tinyurl.com/y9mr9uu4 to change him from "Villanova/could go NBA" to "gone," but I only update www.valueaddbasketball.com every few days, so he still shows up as Villanova there
And hey, if they all three leave then Sam Hauser is the third best player in the Big East and Howard is seventh - and if we somehow get Cremo we would have three of the top 11 as well, for more of a fair fight.
33 Omari Spellman #14 Villanova 8.01
38 Jessie Govan #15 Georgetown 7.95
42 Sam Hauser #10 Marquette 7.81
90 Marcus Derrickson #24 Georgetown 6.86
106 Justin Simon #5 St. John's 6.62
109 Eric Paschall #4 Villanova 6.59
122 Markus Howard #0 Marquette 6.5
124 Myles Powell #13 Seton Hall 6.48
143 Kamar Baldwin #3 Butler 6.34
206 Alpha Diallo #11 Providence 5.54
222 Jahvon Quinerly Villanova 5.4
Thanks, interesting post... Even the though of a fair-ish fight with Nova has me excited.
Quote from: Lazar's Canadian Bacon Headband on April 11, 2018, 10:36:28 AM
Don't like the Draymond comparison. A huge part of his game is being 6-7, able to rebound against 4s and 5s, and defending all 5 positions.
Mark Jackson is better but I have not seen enough of Brunson to know if he has everything Jackson had. Post passing, yes. Jump hook over the defender? Head and shoulder fakes while dribbling (shimmy)? Tear drop in the lane? Jackson had all of those.
At worst, I see a clone of his dad Rick. 10+ year NBA backup. If he's Andre Miller with a jump shot, giddy up!
Hey now, that was my comparison.
Quote from: yetipro on April 11, 2018, 04:42:30 PM
Thanks, interesting post... Even the though of a fair-ish fight with Nova has me excited.
The last couple of years, we have usually played Nova closer than expected even though the talent and experience gap has been significant. Maybe it's a style of play or matchup thing, but we may get another win or two if that gap closes a bit.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on April 11, 2018, 04:56:12 PM
Hey now, that was my comparison.
Credit where it's due. You came up with the best comparison for what his ceiling could be.
Quote from: WarriorHal on April 11, 2018, 12:28:20 PM
Even if Villanova were to lose all four of their best players, they would reload pretty quickly. As long as they don't lose their HC, they aren't going downhill.
And they will consistently kick our ass until we get a clue.
Quote from: Lazar's Canadian Bacon Headband on April 11, 2018, 05:19:10 PM
Credit where it's due. You came up with the best comparison for what his ceiling could be.
Which would be a pretty great NBA career. I think people forget how solid Andre Miller was. Never flashy, but he never missed a game until that silly suspension.
Comparable to Mark Jackson? The former Johnnie PG? Other than starting PG for Big East schools, nothing in common between Bruson and Jackson. Brunson is a WAY more dynamic scorer than Jackson ever thought of being. Jackson way more of a pure PG.
Andre Miller? I'm not sure I see that either. Brunson again way more dynamic scorer. Miller was good at everything, and good, not great scorer. Brunson outside of scoring is just ok, or barely registers in other areas.
I'm not that high on Brunson in the NBA - great college scorer, I just don't see that translating to the NBA. For one, he's 6'2", some list him as 6'3". Those both seem generous, 6'3" for sure does. He doesn't have Iverson like quickness to make up for height being way less than ideal for the NBA. He'd be a very small 2, and really an undersized PG in the pros too.
I see a career journeyman career. Don't blame him a bit for declaring still, like others have said, nothing to prove in college anymore for him.
A name that jumps to mind for comparison is Brandon Jennings. Very good scorer, ok distributor, left handers, and similar size, although Jennings has always had more of a slight build than Brunson.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on April 11, 2018, 06:06:22 PM
Comparable to Mark Jackson? The former Johnnie PG? Other than starting PG for Big East schools, nothing in common between Bruson and Jackson. Brunson is a WAY more dynamic scorer than Jackson ever thought of being. Jackson way more of a pure PG.
Andre Miller? I'm not sure I see that either. Brunson again way more dynamic scorer. Miller was good at everything, and good, not great scorer. Brunson outside of scoring is just ok, or barely registers in other areas.
I'm not that high on Brunson in the NBA - great college scorer, I just don't see that translating to the NBA. For one, he's 6'2", some list him as 6'3". Those both seem generous, 6'3" for sure does. He doesn't have Iverson like quickness to make up for height being way less than ideal for the NBA. He'd be a very small 2, and really an undersized PG in the pros too.
I see a career journeyman career. Don't blame him a bit for declaring still, like others have said, nothing to prove in college anymore for him.
Agree to disagree.
I don't think Brunson is in any way comparable to Brandon Jennings.
Any chance DiVincienzo declares?
And, Jalen Brunson reminds me of Avery Johnson and Rick Brunson in a blender.
Enjoyed watching him play against everyone but MU. Wish him well going forward.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 11, 2018, 05:02:14 PM
The last couple of years, we have usually played Nova closer than expected even though the talent and experience gap has been significant. Maybe it's a style of play or matchup thing, but we may get another win or two if that gap closes a bit.
What? Last game they blew us out by 24. I guess that was closer than expected.
'usually' Not 'always'.
A slightly smaller but much smarter Marcus Smart. Better shooter, too, and Smart went 6th. I think the 2" height difference drops him out of the lottery, but not much. He's intelligent, a leader, has the understanding from his father... heaps of upside, and he's only 21.
Though short, Brunson is powerful and plays under control - and he can shoot it. My best comp would be former Warrior and POY Butch Lee.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 11, 2018, 05:02:14 PM
The last couple of years, we have usually played Nova closer than expected even though the talent and experience gap has been significant. Maybe it's a style of play or matchup thing, but we may get another win or two if that gap closes a bit.
My thoughts exactly. Besides, we're due to win one of these close games with them, or to avoid them when they are playing perfectly. Some of those losses to Nova were also some of the best games we played all year. Loss is a loss, but, we nearly beat them even this year with however many NBA players on their roster.
To that "other" post. Listen, obviously the way the team was constructed this season, it was going to be boom-or-bust in pretty much any game. We saw that play out the entire year, shouldn't we have lost to an Illinois directional? And then beating some damn good teams. All we had was the 3-point shot, we couldn't rely on defensive stands, frontcourt play, etc. That leads to potentially wildly different scores against teams you play again. You can't just expect to hit the same 3P% and get the same amount of open looks every game. Not to mention that we also should have expected the best coach in the game to have figured out and exploited our generally one-dimensional approach/weaknesses by the last game. Saying that doesn't mean I hate the team, Wojo, burn it all down. That's just objectively how it was, even a non-MU person would see it that way.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 12, 2018, 07:30:05 AM
Though short, Brunson is powerful and plays under control - and he can shoot it. My best comp would be former Warrior and POY Butch Lee.
I hope he has a longer NBA career than Butch did, but I do see the comparison.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 11, 2018, 05:02:14 PM
The last couple of years, we have usually played Nova closer than expected even though the talent and experience gap has been significant. Maybe it's a style of play or matchup thing, but we may get another win or two if that gap closes a bit.
Banner Time:
Villanova Average Margin of defeat of 12 points
2016 - 2018
1-6 record
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on April 12, 2018, 10:44:49 AM
Banner Time:
Villanova Average Margin of defeat of 12 points
2016 - 2018
1-6 record
Yeah I mean outside of the 2pt loss and the game we won we've lost by 15, 12, 10, 10 and 24. Granted one of the 10pts was closer than the score at the end looks but idk if we've consistently played them better than anyone else.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on April 12, 2018, 10:44:49 AM
Banner Time:
Villanova Average Margin of defeat of 12 points
2016 - 2018
1-6 record
Did you catch them winning 2 (two) national championships in that timeframe??? And it's not like they were cheapies. Get over yourself.
Quote from: yetipro on April 12, 2018, 11:08:19 AM
Did you catch them winning 2 (two) national championships in that timeframe??? And it's not like they were cheapies. Get over yourself.
Yep, time heals, just think how that "Villanova Crying Piccolo Player" feels now after these last years.
Quote from: MU82 on April 12, 2018, 09:47:49 AM
I hope he has a longer NBA career than Butch did, but I do see the comparison.
Butch was not even close to the same player after his knee injury.