Poll
Question:
How do you view the overall state of Marquette's basketball program today?
Option 1: A -- On the right path, headed for being a strong if not elite program. It's just a matter of time.
Option 2: B -- Good program with some weaknesses that need to be addressed in the off-season.
Option 3: C -- Average program for an upper level NCAA school. Needs to improve substantially to become strong if not elite.
Option 4: D -- Borderline program that has significant deficiencies, including coaching and on-court personnel.
Option 5: F -- Abject failure. Burn the thing to the ground and start over.
OK, we've had quite a bit of debate on Wojo, the team and the coaching staff. I'm curious what Scoopers think the state of our program really is. Does Marquette's basketball program appear on the right track overall, or do we need some serious course corrections.
The pool uses an "A" to "F" grading system.
So where are we today? And how do you think it compares to a year ago?
this will end well
Lens
I was thinking the same thing. I think I will rubberneck this one. I have a feeling no one has changed their opinion much over the past couple of weeks.
I don't think the grades match the descriptions. I'd give the current grade a B-, but I think the description you provided for A is closer to how I feel about the program direction.
Not sure any changes really need to be made this offseason, beyond vastly improving D, which I think will happen simply due to personnel.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 10, 2018, 12:46:11 PM
I don't think the grades match the descriptions. I'd give the current grade a B-, but I think the description you provided for A is closer to how I feel about the program direction.
Not sure any changes really need to be made this offseason, beyond vastly improving D, which I think will happen simply due to personnel.
+1
I think we should start another thread about expectations while we're at it.
Bring back football.
Is this the thread where we get to express our displeasure about the elimination of the Media Guide?
Poll not legit, no Arby's
If we can't have a football team called the warriors coached by McAdams, then who cares?
Quote from: tower912 on April 10, 2018, 01:25:11 PM
If we can't have a football team called the warriors coached by McAdams, then who cares?
They should play all their games at McCormick
Sponsored by the Avalanche, Hegarty's, and Wales on Wells.
Whatda y'all tink 'bout dat on campus arena, hey?
The correct answer is 'Wisconsin.'
Duh.
Quote from: tower912 on April 10, 2018, 01:25:11 PM
If we can't have a football team called the warriors coached by McAdams, then who cares?
Quote from: tower912 on April 10, 2018, 01:46:06 PM
Sponsored by the Avalanche, Hegarty's, and Wales on Wells.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on April 10, 2018, 01:32:32 PM
They should play all their games at McCormick
And Gail Pudvan for head cheerleader!
Gail Pudvan, soooo hot. Wanta touch da heine, ahoooo, aina?
Quote from: dgies9156 on April 10, 2018, 12:07:13 PM
OK, we've had quite a bit of debate on Wojo, the team and the coaching staff. I'm curious what Scoopers think the state of our program really is. Does Marquette's basketball program appear on the right track overall, or do we need some serious course corrections.
The pool uses an "A" to "F" grading system.
So where are we today? And how do you think it compares to a year ago?
Knowing you, I would think that only "Definitely going to the Final Four next year" would merit an "A". ;)
Quote from: Pakuni on April 10, 2018, 01:53:25 PM
The correct answer is 'Wisconsin.'
Duh.
Are you sure? I thought it was in Michigan.
In all seriousness, couldn't this thread/poll have waited until we see what the offseason brings in terms of reinforcements for 2018-19?
If Wojo lands one of the best grad transfer PGs and also a top recruit, I would think folks might be a little more optimistic overall than if we go into next season with the status quo.
Quote from: warriorchick on April 10, 2018, 02:21:54 PM
Knowing you, I would think that only "Definitely going to the Final Four next year" would merit an "A". ;)
Damn straight, though I gave them a "B" and I do think we are headed in the right direction. ;D
I'm a tough grader, but I show up when I'm in town and watch when I am not.
Quote from: Newsdreams on April 10, 2018, 01:03:53 PM
Poll not legit, no Arby's
Gee, if we think Arby's is excellent dining, why don't we just take some old blue books, remove the staples and eat them too.
Bet they taste the same as an Arby's Roast beef if you put some Horsey Sauce on them.
Quote from: dgies9156 on April 10, 2018, 03:18:40 PM
Gee, if we think Arby's is excellent dining, why don't we just take some old blue books, remove the staples and eat them too.
Bet they taste the same as an Arby's Roast beef if you put some Horsey Sauce on them.
Add some cheddar
Lens
Good call on Gail
Quote from: MU82 on April 10, 2018, 02:46:49 PM
In all seriousness, couldn't this thread/poll have waited until we see what the offseason brings in terms of reinforcements for 2018-19?
If Wojo lands one of the best grad transfer PGs and also a top recruit, I would think folks might be a little more optimistic overall than if we go into next season with the status quo.
This, big difference if we swing and miss on our grad transfer vs. landing our man.
Quote from: dgies9156 on April 10, 2018, 03:14:35 PM
Damn straight, though I gave them a "B" and I do think we are headed in the right direction. ;D
I'm a tough grader, but I show up when I'm in town and watch when I am not.
dg -
Giving the program a "B" for where it is now is not being a tough grader. This Warrior fan will be ecstatic if you're correct!
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 10, 2018, 02:20:38 PM
Gail Pudvan, soooo hot. Wanta touch da heine, ahoooo, aina?
Never to late to make your dreams come true.
Quote from: MU82 on April 10, 2018, 02:46:49 PM
In all seriousness, couldn't this thread/poll have waited until we see what the offseason brings in terms of reinforcements for 2018-19?
If Wojo lands one of the best grad transfer PGs and also a top recruit, I would think folks might be a little more optimistic overall than if we go into next season with the status quo.
Agree. Honestly this is also thoroughly discussed after every loss. I think people were firmly entrenched in their positions about 100 threads ago
I would have given Buzz a B his first five years. We were not elite, but we were very good. We had a greater chance of reaching the Sweet 16 under Buzz than we currently have reaching the NCAA tournament.
Quote from: yetipro on April 10, 2018, 05:11:43 PM
Agree. Honestly this is also thoroughly discussed after every loss. I think people were firmly entrenched in their positions about 100 threads ago
Not sure I agree. There's a difference between venting after a loss, particularly after a big loss and views about the direction in which we are headed. One of the reasons why I did this now is to move away from the anger of not getting in the tournament; of losing games we should not have lost; and, asking objectively, what do you really think?
So far, I'm surprised. The "B" grade is by far the leader in the first turn. It's not what I expected given the animus of not making the tournament and of the general "fire Wojo" concerns. My sense is that most folks who are Scoopers rather know the challenges our coach faced when Buzz torched the place. We want that Final Four Chick suggested would make me happy (hint, Chick, it would) but we know Rome was not built in a day.
I'm not clairvoyant but it will be interesting to compare the results this year to any polling on the same subject done a year from now. I'm hoping MU 82 is right and we have that Point Guard who will lead us and we've got an inside presence that's gnarly and unforgiving, I doubt there will be any "D"s or "F"s and a lot more "A"s.
Quote from: The Lens on April 10, 2018, 02:18:27 PM
And Gail Pudvan for head cheerleader!
You guys do realize Gail Pudvan is at least 60 years old?
Yeah, believe it or not. She may even be a grandmother.
Would you want someone saying that about YOUR grandmother?
Quote from: dgies9156 on April 10, 2018, 05:46:40 PM
Not sure I agree. There's a difference between venting after a loss, particularly after a big loss and views about the direction in which we are headed. One of the reasons why I did this now is to move away from the anger of not getting in the tournament; of losing games we should not have lost; and, asking objectively, what do you really think?
So far, I'm surprised. The "B" grade is by far the leader in the first turn. It's not what I expected given the animus of not making the tournament and of the general "fire Wojo" concerns. My sense is that most folks who are Scoopers rather know the challenges our coach faced when Buzz torched the place. We want that Final Four Chick suggested would make me happy (hint, Chick, it would) but we know Rome was not built in a day.
I'm not clairvoyant but it will be interesting to compare the results this year to any polling on the same subject done a year from now. I'm hoping MU 82 is right and we have that Point Guard who will lead us and we've got an inside presence that's gnarly and unforgiving, I doubt there will be any "D"s or "F"s and a lot more "A"s.
There will be D's and F's. Unless you remove those options from the poll, of course (and especially if you include Arby's as an option).
I agree with you on the positivity - I think most of us hold a reasoned, positive outlook with some caveats.
My point was that this is the most thoroughly discussed topic on the board, conversations tend to veer in this direction. That's all.
Quote from: dgies9156 on April 10, 2018, 05:49:58 PM
You guys do realize Gail Pudvan is at least 60 years old?
Yeah, believe it or not. She may even be a grandmother.
Would you want someone saying that about YOUR grandmother?
Pics????
Quote from: 94Warrior on April 10, 2018, 06:39:19 PM
Pics????
Whats really weird is that 4 Ever might be her grandfather (age wise).
Nukey baby, watt year did ya graduate? And, if you say you woodant due her, yer ether lying or dead, hey?
Quote from: 94Warrior on April 10, 2018, 06:39:19 PM
Pics????
Funny how Butch Lee's pic comes up when you google Gail.
Sew duz Purvis Short and Oil Can Boyd, hey?
Quote from: dgies9156 on April 10, 2018, 03:18:40 PM
Gee, if we think Arby's is excellent dining, why don't we just take some old blue books, remove the staples and eat them too.
Bet they taste the same as an Arby's Roast beef if you put some Horsey Sauce on them.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/IZvJyT86F8SS4/giphy.gif)
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 10, 2018, 04:14:24 PM
dg -
Giving the program a "B" for where it is now is not being a tough grader. This Warrior fan will be ecstatic if you're correct!
Definitely a soft grader.
Quote from: real chili 83 on April 10, 2018, 06:49:02 PM
Funny how Butch Lee's pic comes up when you google Gail.
But of course
Quote from: dgies9156 on April 10, 2018, 05:49:58 PM
You guys do realize Gail Pudvan is at least 60 years old?
Yeah, believe it or not. She may even be a grandmother.
Would you want someone saying that about YOUR grandmother?
Yes. Yes I would.
A lot of optimism or delusional?
Quote from: 1SE on April 10, 2018, 03:50:42 PM
This, big difference if we swing and miss on our grad transfer vs. landing our man.
Do you think that determines if we make NCAA or not?
Quote from: jaygall31 on April 12, 2018, 07:06:48 PM
Do you think that determines if we make NCAA or not?
As of what we have right now unless one of the guards take a big step on handles, yes could go from maybe to it would be a disappointment "fire Wojo"
Quote from: MU82 on April 10, 2018, 02:46:49 PM
In all seriousness, couldn't this thread/poll have waited until we see what the offseason brings in terms of reinforcements for 2018-19?
If Wojo lands one of the best grad transfer PGs and also a top recruit, I would think folks might be a little more optimistic overall than if we go into next season with the status quo.
Well, how do you feel now?
Has anyone who gave the program a "C" changed their mind and upgraded to a "B". Likewise, any Bs headed to "A"s?
Quote from: dgies9156 on April 20, 2018, 08:51:11 PM
Well, how do you feel now?
Has anyone who gave the program a "C" changed their mind and upgraded to a "B". Likewise, any Bs headed to "A"s?
I'm not the best to ask because I never take these polls. I felt the state of the program was good before we got JC. Now I'm feeling all the better about it.
Bullish on Wojo and the Warriors!
Quote from: 94Warrior on April 10, 2018, 06:39:19 PM
Pics????
Here is a recent Gail Pudvan Photo....credit:
Facebook page of Tim Gross for:
HS Class of 1975 40th reunion (2015) William Fremd HS Palantine Ill
(nothing tricky here..go to facebook and search Gail Pudvan)
Cell phone holster, tough look.
Yikes, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 27, 2018, 09:48:51 PM
Yikes,
Out in California....
I'll be impressed if someone gets the music reference.
Quote from: real chili 83 on April 27, 2018, 09:53:38 PM
Out in California....
I'll be impressed if someone gets the music reference.
They got no ceilings on their cars.
Pat McCurdy & Yipes @ The Grill with $1 pitchers at the Mugrack...
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/yipes/yipes/
Spam bump notwithstanding, the weaknesses have already been addressed this off-season, and I would change my vote for state of the program from B to A using this criteria
Quote from: joelandryc@aol.com on May 02, 2018, 09:29:49 AM
Pat McCurdy & Yipes @ The Grill with $1 pitchers at the Mugrack...
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/yipes/yipes/
Is Pat McCurdy really still alive/performing? The man looked one Nomad's Prix Fix away from a cardiac 15 years ago...