Thanks to Caitlin Bender for taking this shot!
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj229/marquettetitan34/IMG_3839.jpg)
Link to high-res photo
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj229/marquettetitan34/IMG_3838.jpg (http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj229/marquettetitan34/IMG_3838.jpg)
that is a very sadistic smile he has
I'm shocked that he would brandish a spear. I would think the Native American community would be very upset about that. I'm offended.
Aww come on PRN, lighten up!
First of all, it's not a spear it's a pitchfork. If anyone's gonna get offended by that, it's Satan himself. So I see nothing that would offend the native American community. Unless you're trying to turn this into another post regarding the nickname.
I absolutely love the picture and have since forwarded it to a couple Badger fans I know.
I don't see much difference between the 2
Quote from: mosarsour on January 15, 2008, 02:42:42 PM
Aww come on PRN, lighten up!
First of all, it's not a spear it's a pitchfork. If anyone's gonna get offended by that, it's Satan himself. So I see nothing that would offend the native American community. Unless you're trying to turn this into another post regarding the nickname.
I absolutely love the picture and have since forwarded it to a couple Badger fans I know.
It's a trident.
Can somebody PUH-LEASE Photoshop that and put a blood-stained Golden Eagle on there? Please! And maybe make a wallpaper out of it?
PRN, you must live a truly miserable life. That's too bad. If the nickname issue affects you as much as it apparently does, I cannot imagine how you are capable of handling other, more important issues that undoubtedly arise in your day to day life. Whah, whah, whah.
I agree, it's a trident, as in Anchorman's "I think I just killed some guy with a trident"
Quote from: ToddPacker on January 15, 2008, 03:23:20 PM
PRN, you must live a truly miserable life. That's too bad. If the nickname issue affects you as much as it apparently does, I cannot imagine how you are capable of handling other, more important issues that undoubtedly arise in your day to day life. Whah, whah, whah.
I couldn't agree more.
Couldn't you just have one laugh at a hilarious picture without bringing up what for more and more people is a dead issue? Do you have any friends that are like you about other topics? Like ones that bring up the OJ verdict or still make fun of coke for thinking up coke 2 every day? Don't you realize that the more you do it the more pathetic you seem in many peoples eyes. And not only that the more people gradually grow numb and then become sick of your arguments to the point where they begin to disagree. It's like someone who is against partial birth abortions trying to have a conversation with a person who bombs abortion clinics, instead of finding common ground the moderate wants nothing to do with you.
Every time i see a kid in a warriors shirt i use to feel apathetic. Now I think of you and want to slap that kid. Congrats on making me hate the old logo, you did it. Little by little, post to by post and now it's complete.
Quote from: RawdogDX on January 15, 2008, 03:55:20 PM
Quote from: ToddPacker on January 15, 2008, 03:23:20 PM
PRN, you must live a truly miserable life. That's too bad. If the nickname issue affects you as much as it apparently does, I cannot imagine how you are capable of handling other, more important issues that undoubtedly arise in your day to day life. Whah, whah, whah.
It's like someone who is against partial birth abortions trying to have a conversation with a person who bombs abortion clinics, instead of finding common ground the moderate wants nothing to do with you.
Perfect analogy!! We should abort our current nickname before it reaches full term.
I will now return to my "truly miserable life." And that's too bad.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 15, 2008, 04:08:36 PM
Quote from: RawdogDX on January 15, 2008, 03:55:20 PM
Quote from: ToddPacker on January 15, 2008, 03:23:20 PM
PRN, you must live a truly miserable life. That's too bad. If the nickname issue affects you as much as it apparently does, I cannot imagine how you are capable of handling other, more important issues that undoubtedly arise in your day to day life. Whah, whah, whah.
It's like someone who is against partial birth abortions trying to have a conversation with a person who bombs abortion clinics, instead of finding common ground the moderate wants nothing to do with you.
Perfect analogy!! We should abort our current nickname before it reaches full term.
And that is a perfect example of how delusional you are. you are the only one who doesn't think it's reached full term. What percent of incoming freshman actually were aware of the existance of marquette before the name change? 3% possibly 4%? (the'd have to be rasied in a mu house hold and even then...)
How many of them come to the school knowing it was ever called something else? 20%? yeah but we are still in a transitional period.... right...
Thank you for bringing this up!!
How many students identified with Warriors during the 2005 vote? 62 percent. How many did NOT identify with Warriors? 19 percent. The rest were neutral.
How many of those people were less than 10 years old when the name was changed originally. Well over 90 percent.
During that same vote, what were the words most often used to describe the Golden Eagles nickname? Boring, weak and common.
Again, during the same vote, what were the words most often used to describe our mascot? Cartoonish and silly.
As for incoming or current freshman...you're right. Maybe they don't know about all this venom. That's what an education is for.
These kids need to know how embarrassing it is!
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 15, 2008, 04:28:52 PM
Thank you for bringing this up!!
How many students identified with Warriors during the 2005 vote? 62 percent. How many did NOT identify with Warriors? 19 percent. The rest were neutral.
How many of those people were less than 10 years old when the name was changed originally. Well over 90 percent.
During that same vote, what were the words most often used to describe the Golden Eagles nickname? Boring, weak and common.
Again, during the same vote, what were the words most often used to describe our mascot? Cartoonish and silly.
As for incoming or current freshman...you're right. Maybe they don't know about all this venom. That's what an education is for.
These kids need to know how embarrassing it is!
You haven't had a single post about how well the team is playing... but as soon as something comes up about the mascot you come out of the woodwork.
Seriously dude, what is with you?
Quote from: 2002mualum on January 15, 2008, 04:46:43 PM
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 15, 2008, 04:28:52 PM
Thank you for bringing this up!!
How many students identified with Warriors during the 2005 vote? 62 percent. How many did NOT identify with Warriors? 19 percent. The rest were neutral.
How many of those people were less than 10 years old when the name was changed originally. Well over 90 percent.
During that same vote, what were the words most often used to describe the Golden Eagles nickname? Boring, weak and common.
Again, during the same vote, what were the words most often used to describe our mascot? Cartoonish and silly.
As for incoming or current freshman...you're right. Maybe they don't know about all this venom. That's what an education is for.
These kids need to know how embarrassing it is!
You haven't had a single post about how well the team is playing...
Really?
Quote from: 2002mualum on January 15, 2008, 04:46:43 PM
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 15, 2008, 04:28:52 PM
Thank you for bringing this up!!
How many students identified with Warriors during the 2005 vote? 62 percent. How many did NOT identify with Warriors? 19 percent. The rest were neutral.
How many of those people were less than 10 years old when the name was changed originally. Well over 90 percent.
During that same vote, what were the words most often used to describe the Golden Eagles nickname? Boring, weak and common.
Again, during the same vote, what were the words most often used to describe our mascot? Cartoonish and silly.
As for incoming or current freshman...you're right. Maybe they don't know about all this venom. That's what an education is for.
These kids need to know how embarrassing it is!
You haven't had a single post about how well the team is playing... but as soon as something comes up about the mascot you come out of the woodwork.
Seriously dude, what is with you?
actually no one posted anything about the mascot that was him as well.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 15, 2008, 04:28:52 PM
Thank you for bringing this up!!
How many students identified with Warriors during the 2005 vote? 62 percent. How many did NOT identify with Warriors? 19 percent. The rest were neutral.
How many of those people were less than 10 years old when the name was changed originally. Well over 90 percent.
During that same vote, what were the words most often used to describe the Golden Eagles nickname? Boring, weak and common.
Again, during the same vote, what were the words most often used to describe our mascot? Cartoonish and silly.
As for incoming or current freshman...you're right. Maybe they don't know about all this venom. That's what an education is for.
These kids need to know how embarrassing it is!
yeah right. I'm sure this survey was done scientifically with a 2% margin of error and not at all conducted with any bias at all.
Quote from: RawdogDX on January 15, 2008, 05:09:41 PM
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 15, 2008, 04:28:52 PM
Thank you for bringing this up!!
How many students identified with Warriors during the 2005 vote? 62 percent. How many did NOT identify with Warriors? 19 percent. The rest were neutral.
How many of those people were less than 10 years old when the name was changed originally. Well over 90 percent.
During that same vote, what were the words most often used to describe the Golden Eagles nickname? Boring, weak and common.
Again, during the same vote, what were the words most often used to describe our mascot? Cartoonish and silly.
As for incoming or current freshman...you're right. Maybe they don't know about all this venom. That's what an education is for.
These kids need to know how embarrassing it is!
yeah right. I'm sure this survey was done scientifically with a 2% margin of error and not at all conducted with any bias at all.
Are you serious? You must not have taken the survey. For the record, the results are still available on MU's website. http://www.marquette.edu/opa/newsroom/nickname/results3.shtml (http://www.marquette.edu/opa/newsroom/nickname/results3.shtml)
It was commissioned by Marquette and, if anything, the survey questions were really biased against Warriors.
Actually, this should be in the Wiki!
how did this thread devolve into this dead beaten horse discussion?
I was an incoming freshman during that survey. I am a warrior, as you can see by my sn. The way that MU went about the name change was back handed and unfair. There is still a huge contingent of students that are warriors and not eagles. I don't buy anything with the eagle on it or anything that says golden eagles, even the free handout shirts that say golden eagles will stay hanging in my closet while others are worn out. I know many are sick of the debate, as am I. PRN, everyone on this board knows your p.o.v. and i would hope they know that some share that point of view, maybe not to the same extent as you but either way, they feel the same way. But either way, LET'S GO WARRIORS this week against L'ville and UCONN. And best of luck to the women's team as they do battle at WVU tomorrow.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 15, 2008, 04:28:52 PM
How many students identified with Warriors during the 2005 vote? 62 percent. How many did NOT identify with Warriors? 19 percent. The rest were neutral.
I voted that I identified with the Warrior name but I really don't. How do I, a student who arrived in 2004 identify with a name 10 years before my time. I just voted that in hopes it would return. I sure others did the same as well.
Quote from: muhoosier260 on January 15, 2008, 05:27:54 PM
how did this thread devolve into this dead beaten horse discussion?
Because we allowed MUSCOOP's #1 dead horse beater PRN take over the thread. It's ridiculous. I was a senior in high school and was already accepted to MU when they changed the name. It was a huge deal then...but not anymore.
PRN, it's over and it's been over for the last 13 years.
It's not over. It'll take another decade, maybe two, but the University will have to address the issue over and over until it's resolved in a way that the majority of the MU community is happy with. Since those who prefer Warrior accounts for 90%+, it's gonna be a loooonnnng time before "it's over".
It will different be when MU actual something well had over Golden Eagles to say. I loved how they the mascotte changed more violently to look. I do not see the crossness. I understand that they maintained that they no new symbol could accept meanwhile keep up the Fighter nickname. I thought was that cripple. Did when we use Joan of Arc as a mascotte under the fighter name, men would identify with the Indian-Hood logo verdergaan with? Men verdergaan with customs the controversial modi because that was how the nickname leave became. There was no joint effort through the university distance of the small treasure connotatie of Fighters to take. I support personal the Jumping Jesuits. All Jesuits that I meet have liefde basketbal. I cannot say the same furrow all Indian. And birds do not give certainly.
??? ???
Quote from: chainsaw_mcgee on January 15, 2008, 07:35:54 PM
It will different be when MU actual something well had over Golden Eagles to say. I loved how they the mascotte changed more violently to look. I do not see the crossness. I understand that they maintained that they no new symbol could accept meanwhile keep up the Fighter nickname. I thought was that cripple. Did when we use Joan of Arc as a mascotte under the fighter name, men would identify with the Indian-Hood logo verdergaan with? Men verdergaan with customs the controversial modi because that was how the nickname leave became. There was no joint effort through the university distance of the small treasure connotatie of Fighters to take. I support personal the Jumping Jesuits. All Jesuits that I meet have liefde basketbal. I cannot say the same furrow all Indian. And birds do not give certainly.
Is there anyway to get a translator
Quote from: muhoosier260 on January 15, 2008, 05:27:54 PM
how did this thread devolve into this dead beaten horse discussion?
PRN made a joke and somebody couldn't take it, although he
did neglect to use the sarcasm font.
not to get back on the subject, but the picture of 'Robert the Impaler' made my day. (not a trident, but a STAKE)
ya, it really is a great picture. it should go on the acceptance letters for the class of 2012
Quote from: muhoosier260 on January 15, 2008, 11:57:12 PM
ya, it really is a great picture. it should go on the acceptance letters for the class of 2012
Awesome pic. I also second this motion.
Quote from: chainsaw_mcgee on January 15, 2008, 07:35:54 PM
It will different be when MU actual something well had over Golden Eagles to say. I loved how they the mascotte changed more violently to look. I do not see the crossness. I understand that they maintained that they no new symbol could accept meanwhile keep up the Fighter nickname. I thought was that cripple. Did when we use Joan of Arc as a mascotte under the fighter name, men would identify with the Indian-Hood logo verdergaan with? Men verdergaan with customs the controversial modi because that was how the nickname leave became. There was no joint effort through the university distance of the small treasure connotatie of Fighters to take. I support personal the Jumping Jesuits. All Jesuits that I meet have liefde basketbal. I cannot say the same furrow all Indian. And birds do not give certainly.
MR. HAYWARD? Is that you again??
Quote from: chainsaw_mcgee on January 15, 2008, 07:35:54 PM
It will different be when MU actual something well had over Golden Eagles to say. I loved how they the mascotte changed more violently to look. I do not see the crossness. I understand that they maintained that they no new symbol could accept meanwhile keep up the Fighter nickname. I thought was that cripple. Did when we use Joan of Arc as a mascotte under the fighter name, men would identify with the Indian-Hood logo verdergaan with? Men verdergaan with customs the controversial modi because that was how the nickname leave became. There was no joint effort through the university distance of the small treasure connotatie of Fighters to take. I support personal the Jumping Jesuits. All Jesuits that I meet have liefde basketbal. I cannot say the same furrow all Indian. And birds do not give certainly.
Well, there is a great reference to the original French Etymology...
I know that I for one am extremely bitter that the Chicago Cubs changed their name from the Chicago White Stockings. Anybody who prefers the name Cubs over White Stockings is an idiot. I find the name change underhanded and wrong. I refuse to buy anything with the new logo or the name Cubs on it.
White Stockings forever!!!! (http://www.capanson.com/pictures/cap_anson_picture_5.jpg)
Quote from: Steak on January 16, 2008, 01:56:45 PM
I know that I for one am extremely bitter that the Chicago Cubs changed their name from the Chicago White Stockings. Anybody who prefers the name Cubs over White Stockings is an idiot. I find the name change underhanded and wrong. I refuse to buy anything with the new logo or the name Cubs on it.
White Stockings forever!!!! (http://www.capanson.com/pictures/cap_anson_picture_5.jpg)
Solid
Quote from: chainsaw_mcgee on January 15, 2008, 07:35:54 PM
It will different be when MU actual something well had over Golden Eagles to say. I loved how they the mascotte changed more violently to look. I do not see the crossness. I understand that they maintained that they no new symbol could accept meanwhile keep up the Fighter nickname. I thought was that cripple. Did when we use Joan of Arc as a mascotte under the fighter name, men would identify with the Indian-Hood logo verdergaan with? Men verdergaan with customs the controversial modi because that was how the nickname leave became. There was no joint effort through the university distance of the small treasure connotatie of Fighters to take. I support personal the Jumping Jesuits. All Jesuits that I meet have liefde basketbal. I cannot say the same furrow all Indian. And birds do not give certainly.
Well, it's hard to disagree with that.
or agree with that, or understand that, or...
I for one appreciate PRN's constant name change ranting. Marquette University had a great opportunity to nip this RIDICULOUS PC crap in the butt (on a national scale btw) and they folded like a lawn chair. I like the Warriors much better than the GE's, but what fuels me the most is the PC aspect of it. I can understand people identifying with other mascots and I can respect that. Just be careful because before you know it, we'll all be a number and have no identification at all. I think PRN does a great service of reminding folks. Keep in mind, those that don't learn from history are bound to repeat it. This goes on on a much greater scale - things that are far more important that a University's mascot. My point is that in the future, who's to say PETA doesn't come out and find the GE's as being offensive? And if at that point we fold AGAIN, I'd be more pissed than I am now - or just given up hope for a democracy rules concept. Hold your 'Marquette's a private institution and isn't run by a democracy' comments. I'm making reference to the epidemic that's ruining our nation.
Frenn,
Are you PRN? Did you just create a new username so that there'd be somebody to back you up on this? ;)
This is about the only thing I agree with PRN on. By the way, are you kidding me to think that I'm the only one to agree with PRN on this topic? Where have you been? I may not post much (given I would not get much done at work) but I've been a member on this board since the beginning as well as the ahoya board as I'm sure the moderators can validate.
Quote from: FrennA on January 17, 2008, 11:26:51 AM
I for one appreciate PRN's constant name change ranting. Marquette University had a great opportunity to nip this RIDICULOUS PC crap in the butt (on a national scale btw) and they folded like a lawn chair. I like the Warriors much better than the GE's, but what fuels me the most is the PC aspect of it. I can understand people identifying with other mascots and I can respect that. Just be careful because before you know it, we'll all be a number and have no identification at all. I think PRN does a great service of reminding folks. Keep in mind, those that don't learn from history are bound to repeat it. This goes on on a much greater scale - things that are far more important that a University's mascot. My point is that in the future, who's to say PETA doesn't come out and find the GE's as being offensive? And if at that point we fold AGAIN, I'd be more pissed than I am now - or just given up hope for a democracy rules concept. Hold your 'Marquette's a private institution and isn't run by a democracy' comments. I'm making reference to the epidemic that's ruining our nation.
That's quite a rant... but, I can appreciate your position. Honestly.
I love people's passion for the Warriors. I respect that. I just hope the Warriors respect the people that were Eagles, and respect the fact that I'm not obsessed with getting it changed back.
Also, if people feel that passionate about it (and I'm sure there are those that do), they should put some real pressure on the university by withholding donations, not purchasing tickets, not sending your kids there, protesting on the sidewalk before games, petitions, etc. etc.
"Speaking out" (as some people are so proud to do) without "action" just appears to be whining and really isn't winning people over.
Also, for future reference I believe the cliche is "nip it in the bud", not "nip it in the butt". It's a reference to de-budding plants before they flower (kill it while it is small), not pinching somebody in the ass.
Quote from: 2002mualum on January 17, 2008, 11:59:13 AM
Quote from: FrennA on January 17, 2008, 11:26:51 AM
I for one appreciate PRN's constant name change ranting. Marquette University had a great opportunity to nip this RIDICULOUS PC crap in the butt (on a national scale btw) and they folded like a lawn chair. I like the Warriors much better than the GE's, but what fuels me the most is the PC aspect of it. I can understand people identifying with other mascots and I can respect that. Just be careful because before you know it, we'll all be a number and have no identification at all. I think PRN does a great service of reminding folks. Keep in mind, those that don't learn from history are bound to repeat it. This goes on on a much greater scale - things that are far more important that a University's mascot. My point is that in the future, who's to say PETA doesn't come out and find the GE's as being offensive? And if at that point we fold AGAIN, I'd be more pissed than I am now - or just given up hope for a democracy rules concept. Hold your 'Marquette's a private institution and isn't run by a democracy' comments. I'm making reference to the epidemic that's ruining our nation.
That's quite a rant... but, I can appreciate your position. Honestly.
I love people's passion for the Warriors. I respect that. I just hope the Warriors respect the people that were Eagles, and respect the fact that I'm not obsessed with getting it changed back.
Also, if people feel that passionate about it (and I'm sure there are those that do), they should put some real pressure on the university by withholding donations, not purchasing tickets, not sending your kids there, protesting on the sidewalk before games, petitions, etc. etc.
"Speaking out" (as some people are so proud to do) without "action" just appears to be whining and really isn't winning people over.
Also, for future reference I believe the cliche is "nip it in the bud", not "nip it in the butt". It's a reference to de-budding plants before they flower (kill it while it is small), not pinching somebody in the ass.
Sorry, but Marquette isn't some TV show that you can just turn off. For most of us, it's our alma mater. When it comes to the nickname debate, I agree with most of what PRN says and when the subject comes up I will probably express my opinion. But putting pressure on MU by withholding donations, not purchasing tickets, not sending your kids there, protesting on the sidewalk before games, etc. is just stupid. I can be passionate about the nickname change and not take any of the above actions that you suggest. Marquette will continue to do many things that I disagree with, and I will continue to lodge my disagreement.
BEST POST EVERY BY CHAINSAW-MCGEE!!! It belongs in the Wiki for future generations to enjoy.
Include me as another in agreement with "beating a dead horse" on the pathetic cave by the university. There are many of us that get more ticked off that a couple of current students or recent grads claim to represent the majority by acting like it is still not a sore spot. I was in school at the time and as was mentioned in a previous post, it is not so much the name change from Warriors to Golden Eagles, it was the manner in which it was handled. As students and I am guessing alumni at the time, we were completely blind sided in the name of political correctness. Students, alumni, members of the Milw community and bball fans that had contributed so much to MU had zero input in the decision. I still remember that Friday fall afternoon first hearing that the name would be changed on the 5pm news. Those MU shills need to realize that this is far from the most trivial topic discussed on this board or ignore our rants.
Quote from: SoCalwarrior on January 17, 2008, 12:21:24 PM
Quote from: 2002mualum on January 17, 2008, 11:59:13 AM
Quote from: FrennA on January 17, 2008, 11:26:51 AM
I for one appreciate PRN's constant name change ranting. Marquette University had a great opportunity to nip this RIDICULOUS PC crap in the butt (on a national scale btw) and they folded like a lawn chair. I like the Warriors much better than the GE's, but what fuels me the most is the PC aspect of it. I can understand people identifying with other mascots and I can respect that. Just be careful because before you know it, we'll all be a number and have no identification at all. I think PRN does a great service of reminding folks. Keep in mind, those that don't learn from history are bound to repeat it. This goes on on a much greater scale - things that are far more important that a University's mascot. My point is that in the future, who's to say PETA doesn't come out and find the GE's as being offensive? And if at that point we fold AGAIN, I'd be more pissed than I am now - or just given up hope for a democracy rules concept. Hold your 'Marquette's a private institution and isn't run by a democracy' comments. I'm making reference to the epidemic that's ruining our nation.
That's quite a rant... but, I can appreciate your position. Honestly.
I love people's passion for the Warriors. I respect that. I just hope the Warriors respect the people that were Eagles, and respect the fact that I'm not obsessed with getting it changed back.
Also, if people feel that passionate about it (and I'm sure there are those that do), they should put some real pressure on the university by withholding donations, not purchasing tickets, not sending your kids there, protesting on the sidewalk before games, petitions, etc. etc.
"Speaking out" (as some people are so proud to do) without "action" just appears to be whining and really isn't winning people over.
Also, for future reference I believe the cliche is "nip it in the bud", not "nip it in the butt". It's a reference to de-budding plants before they flower (kill it while it is small), not pinching somebody in the ass.
Sorry, but Marquette isn't some TV show that you can just turn off. For most of us, it's our alma mater. When it comes to the nickname debate, I agree with most of what PRN says and when the subject comes up I will probably express my opinion. But putting pressure on MU by withholding donations, not purchasing tickets, not sending your kids there, protesting on the sidewalk before games, etc. is just stupid. I can be passionate about the nickname change and not take any of the above actions that you suggest. Marquette will continue to do many things that I disagree with, and I will continue to lodge my disagreement.
I hear ya.
I'm not telling anybody to ever stop loving the old nickname. I understand the connection and the passion.
But, when it gets pounded on time after time with no real action, it just gets old.
If people feel passionate enough to consistently post about it, hijack threads about it, call out golden eagle fans as not real fans, well, then they should take up some actual action. Don't just be a keyboard hero.
I can respect people who still want the old nickname. No problem.
I cannot respect people who rant and rant and rant and rant and rant and rant and rant but don't actually DO anything about it.
Elicit change, people.
Some of the people on this board who seem to think that my rants are uncontrolled and out-of-date should know that I have received at least a dozen private messages of support on this board for repeated references to the nickname.
And as Rawdog proved above, there are many younger fans who do not understand the controversy and deserve to know how many alums strenuously object to the situation and will be upset about it until it is changed. Golden Eagles is a despised name and will always be. The administration knows this, which is why they tried to change it JUST TWO YEARS AGO!!!
If you don't understand the debate, simply imagine the uproar if Indiana decided "Hoosiers" was a deragatory term. Marquette Warriors was (and remains) a brand as associated with our basketball program as Al McGuire. It's absolutey an outrage that it was changed it and absolutely pathetic that people on this (and the other) board are so quick to fall into the fetal position when asked to do so by the administration.
I guarantee you this is not the case amongst the HUGE majority of Marquette fans.
Ignoring it is like discussing Senator Kennedy and dismissing the Chappaquiddick incident as a minor traffic accident.
I will continue to bring up the nickname at every opportunity.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 17, 2008, 01:33:26 PM
I will continue to bring up the nickname at every opportunity.
But, what are you REALLY going to do about it?
It doesn't seem like posting it on this website is getting the job done.
If people are as upset as you say they are (I'm not debating you on that), then you should have more than enough people to organize and make some real noise.
There are 17,000+ MU fans at the Bradley Center at least 4 or 5 times a year. Organize something.
What about a "Warrior only" party at a local establishment? Show MU how much money they are really missing when the "Warriors" decide to spend some money at a "pro warrior" establishment.
Quote from: FrennA on January 17, 2008, 11:46:26 AM
This is about the only thing I agree with PRN on. By the way, are you kidding me to think that I'm the only one to agree with PRN on this topic? Where have you been? I may not post much (given I would not get much done at work) but I've been a member on this board since the beginning as well as the ahoya board as I'm sure the moderators can validate.
Apparently my winking icon wasn't obvious enough to alert the board that I was making a mild attempt at humor. Next time I'll post in the sarcasm font.
Congratulations on being a member of this and the other board for a long time.
2002mualum, It doesn't matter what you do, IMO the nickname issue to MU is dead. The university knows how much money it is losing because of it ...
When I was at MU, I used to work in the Phonethan office. One of my jobs was to go through the declines from the previous night of calls to see the reasons people didn't give. The first reason was because of financial constraints ... the second reason, the nickname. This was a decent size percentage, with the majority saying "I will only give to MU if they change the nickname back to Warriors." It wasn't that long ago either, 2002 and 2003.
This is a fruitless debate. I don't see a change fortcoming. After the MU Gold disaster, Fr. Wild is not going to touch this issue again. Does anybody think his successor will? Whether some like it or not, MU has moved on.
Quote from: RJax55 on January 17, 2008, 02:49:38 PM
2002mualum, It doesn't matter what you do, IMO the nickname issue to MU is dead. The university knows how much money it is losing because of it ...
When I was at MU, I used to work in the Phonethan office. One of my jobs was to go through the declines from the previous night of calls to see the reasons people didn't give. The first reason was because of financial constraints ... the second reason, the nickname. This was a decent size percentage, with the majority saying "I will only give to MU if they change the nickname back to Warriors." It wasn't that long ago either, 2002 and 2003.
IMO, this is a fruitless debate. I don't see a change fortcoming. After the MU Gold disaster, Fr. Wild is not going to touch this issue again. Does anybody think his successor will? Whether some like it or not, MU has moved on.
I agree with you that MU probably isn't going to willingly open the debate. But, private schools are often at the mercy of the alumni and major benefactors. If you get the right people involved, MU might do something about it. It might take years and years of work, but it could happen. And, that's not even what I'm debating.
Here's my point (and I welcome feedback on this):
For people to post obsessively on an internet forum and claim that so many people are upset and then not actually DO anything about it is tiresome and weak.
If so many fans out there are passionate enough about it... make some real noise.
If you feel passionate about an issue... take some action, people.
MU cannot stop alums from promoting the old nickname and promoting that other alums take action.
Hacking away on a keyboard and cutting down younger alums for "not knowing their history" is not going to get the name changed back. It's just going to make the pro-warrior crowd look bitter.
I'm just glad myself, maxpower, gwaki, etc, can shed some light on the nickname issue for current students. I have a great sense of pride associated with the Warrior and love seeing the alum and students alike wearing Warrior apparel. I will always be a warrior and despise that stupid bird (especially the new logo) :P :-X...some of my friends may see this as a little hypocritical ;)
2002, The fact is MU is not hurting for cash even with the nickname change. The MAGIS campaign that was just completed was a huge success and recently MU has had terrific results in obtaining huge donations (Law School, College of Comm., College of Engineering). I just don't see a group of precarious alums coming together and influencing a major change by withholding donations.
I understand your point regarding people that are constantly bringing up the nickname. It is tiresome to hear, especially when you realize that no matter how much they complain about it, there will be no change in policy. However, where else can they go to air their dissatisfaction. MU isn't interested in opening up the debate ... I think PRN agenda is quite clear, to continue to express his discontentment over the nickname and keep the issue alive. Honestly, what other actions can he take. I may disagree with him, but this forum is about MU and he has the right to talk about this issue.
Quote from: RJax55 on January 17, 2008, 04:22:17 PM
2002, The fact is MU is not hurting for cash even with the nickname change. The MAGIS campaign that was just completed was a huge success and recently MU has had terrific results in obtaining huge donations (Law School, College of Comm., College of Engineering). I just don't see a group of precarious alums coming together and influencing a major change by withholding donations.
I understand your point regarding people that are constantly bringing up the nickname. It is tiresome to hear, especially when you realize that no matter how much they complain about it, there will be no change in policy. However, where else can they go to air their dissatisfaction. MU isn't interested in opening up the debate ... I think PRN agenda is quite clear, to continue to express his discontentment over the nickname and keep the issue alive. Honestly, what other actions can he take. I may disagree with him, but this forum is about MU and he has the right to talk about this issue.
Unfortunately, we also have one of the smallest endowments of any comparable school. SLU, DePaul, Georgetown, just go down the list, have larger endowments than we do and if we were the Warriors, we wouldn't have one ND's size, but it would be much larger than it is now.
Quote from: FrennA on January 17, 2008, 11:26:51 AM
My point is that in the future, who's to say PETA doesn't come out and find the GE's as being offensive? And if at that point we fold AGAIN, I'd be more pissed than I am now
I'm making reference to the epidemic that's ruining our nation.
hahaha, i don't care if you were joking or serious. those two lines made me laugh my ass off.
it is an epedimic to some extents though. The FSU Seminoles are only safe because the Seminole nation said they can't change the name. The PCness of today's society is borderline sickening.
Quote from: RJax55 on January 17, 2008, 04:22:17 PM
2002, The fact is MU is not hurting for cash even with the nickname change. The MAGIS campaign that was just completed was a huge success and recently MU has had terrific results in obtaining huge donations (Law School, College of Comm., College of Engineering). I just don't see a group of precarious alums coming together and influencing a major change by withholding donations.
I understand your point regarding people that are constantly bringing up the nickname. It is tiresome to hear, especially when you realize that no matter how much they complain about it, there will be no change in policy. However, where else can they go to air their dissatisfaction. MU isn't interested in opening up the debate ... I think PRN agenda is quite clear, to continue to express his discontentment over the nickname and keep the issue alive. Honestly, what other actions can he take. I may disagree with him, but this forum is about MU and he has the right to talk about this issue.
I hate to be long winded... but I'm just trying to draw this out very clearly for everybody.
#1 I don't know if MU is hurting for money or not. It certainly doesn't appear like it to me, but there really is not way of accounting for how much more money would come in if the nickname were changed back. Either way, it doesn't really matter that much because I'm not judging people for not actually getting the name changed back, I'm judging them based on their lack of effort and constant b*itching.
#2 If I believe the hardcore Warrior group on this board, then the vast majority of people are still outraged about the nickname issue, and there is a lot of passion about it. Even the MU poll that was given supports that the fans still prefer Warriors.
#3 If #2 is true, then it should be relatively easy to get organized and put some pressure on MU. I'm not saying it will work right away, but if alumni are as pissed as people on this board claim that they are, then they will have a shot at getting the name changed back if they can stay organized and keep working at it. Again, it might take 5 years... it might take 10. But, if the passion is there... then you just have to give people a chance to get involved in a constructive manner.
#4 I understand that this board is often a relief for most of us, but this is an MU basketball board... and while some topics seem to stray from hoops (which is fine), maybe it's time that the people who are so passionate about the nickname start their own website. I mean, again, if you are so pissed about it... do something about it.
#5 The occasional nickname post really isn't a problem... its the admonishing other alumni and fans, the hijacking of threads and the overall righteousness of the posters doesn't really benefit anybody, and it really isn't going to help bring the nickname back.
Start a warrior website, organize a petition, hold a warrior event, make t-shirts, recruit more people to become Warriors, inform people about how the decision was actually made, inform people on the history of it all.
Those are all admirable steps that can be taken in an attempt to object to the current nickname and eventually re-capture the old name.
B*tching on an internet basketball forum is not a good way to get the nickname back.
Thanks for lifting this thread the morning after a nationally televised game.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 18, 2008, 09:13:18 AM
Thanks for lifting this thread the morning after a nationally televised game.
Are you kidding me?
Listen, you've continuously hijacked threads and talked down to people who don't hate the Golden Eagle as much as you do.
Well... now I'm calling you out.
If you are so mad about the Golden Eagle... then do something that might bring the name back.
That's it.
Ripping the Golden Eagle and students/alumni who associate with it hasn't gotten the name back yet... so try something different.