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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on April 02, 2018, 07:49:41 AM
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Villanova 85- Michigan 72.
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Michigan 71
Villanova 68
My gut is saying Michigan plays their best game and Villanova is slightly off.
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Nova 85
UM 79
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Villanova 91
Michigan 74
It's reasonably close for the first few minutes and then Michigan runs into a buzzsaw
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Nova 86
Mich 74
but it's not that close
It's reasonably close for the first few minutes and then Michigan runs into a buzzsaw
If you have not seen the Lawrence police twitter feed during/after the FF game check it out, but on the subject of buzzsaws...
https://twitter.com/LawrenceKS_PD/status/980268152427892736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbssports.com%2Fcollege-basketball%2Fnews%2Flawrence-police-are-trolling-kansas-for-an-ncaa-tournament-loss-again%2F&tfw_creator=Chip_Patterson&tfw_site=cbssports (https://twitter.com/LawrenceKS_PD/status/980268152427892736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbssports.com%2Fcollege-basketball%2Fnews%2Flawrence-police-are-trolling-kansas-for-an-ncaa-tournament-loss-again%2F&tfw_creator=Chip_Patterson&tfw_site=cbssports)
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Michigan 71
Villanova 68
My gut is saying Michigan plays their best game and Villanova is slightly off.
I like this pick. Most other Scoopers will pick Nova, so you can be the "right" one. Plus, your reasoning is sound.
Having said that ...
Nova 88
Hoopin' Harbaughs 68
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The only way Nova loses is if they are off and Michigan is great. If Nova is hot, they win. If Nova is average (like they were against Kansas), they win. If Michigan is average or below, Villanova wins. Michigan could absolutely win this game. But they just need too much to go right for them and wrong for Villanova.
Villanova 88
Michigan 70
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If Nova is hot, they win. If Nova is average (like they were against Kansas), they win.
Did you think they were average during that game? I thought it was one of their better performances of the tourney - no real foul issues and offense generally humming.
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Did you think they were average during that game? I thought it was one of their better performances of the tourney - no real foul issues and offense generally humming.
I thought it was a B+ game for them. I've seen them be even more dominant
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Nova 86
Mich 74
but it's not that close
If you have not seen the Lawrence police twitter feed during/after the FF game check it out, but on the subject of buzzsaws...
https://twitter.com/LawrenceKS_PD/status/980268152427892736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbssports.com%2Fcollege-basketball%2Fnews%2Flawrence-police-are-trolling-kansas-for-an-ncaa-tournament-loss-again%2F&tfw_creator=Chip_Patterson&tfw_site=cbssports (https://twitter.com/LawrenceKS_PD/status/980268152427892736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbssports.com%2Fcollege-basketball%2Fnews%2Flawrence-police-are-trolling-kansas-for-an-ncaa-tournament-loss-again%2F&tfw_creator=Chip_Patterson&tfw_site=cbssports)
That's fantastic. Even better that many of the repliers didn't get the joke
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The only way Nova loses is if they are off and Michigan is great. If Nova is hot, they win. If Nova is average (like they were against Kansas), they win. If Michigan is average or below, Villanova wins. Michigan could absolutely win this game. But they just need too much to go right for them and wrong for Villanova.
Villanova 88
Michigan 70
I'm about like Brew. Nova wins going away 8 out of 10 times. But it only takes once.
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Did you think they were average during that game? I thought it was one of their better performances of the tourney - no real foul issues and offense generally humming.
Nova always has seems to have one huge run. They did it against us a few times and in most games I saw (Texas Tech was the only exception). The reason they looked dominant was they did it the first 5 minutes.
Otherwise, they shot slightly above average from 3 (45% vs 40% on the season, nothing special) and were a bit better on ppp (1.34 vs 1.27). It was a good performance, but not at all an outlier. Nova is just that much better than most teams.
Also, I'd point out Michigan hasn't played a team better than a 5 in the tournament. The high seeded Big Ten teams they beat generally bowed out early, so there's a decent case they haven't played a team of this calibur since UNC in non-con (who steamrolled them).
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Nova always has seems to have one huge run. They did it against us a few times and in most games I saw (Texas Tech was the only exception). The reason they looked dominant was they did it the first 5 minutes.
Otherwise, they shot slightly above average from 3 (45% vs 40% on the season, nothing special) and were a bit better on ppp (1.34 vs 1.27). It was a good performance, but not at all an outlier. Nova is just that much better than most teams.
Also, I'd point out Michigan hasn't played a team better than a 5 in the tournament. The high seeded Big Ten teams they beat generally bowed out early, so there's a decent case they haven't played a team of this calibur since UNC in non-con (who steamrolled them).
+1
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Nova’s shown they can win in every possible way this year. Barring a monumental collapse of their offense combined with lights out shooting by UM they should control from the opening tip and never truly be in jeopardy of losing. That being said Beilien’s offense is really good and UM competes hard. Nova by 7 in the end
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Michigan's going to get clowned.
Nova - 87
Michigan - 69
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Michigan hasn't played a team close to this good all tournament. And if they go on one of their shooting droughts, they will find themselves down 15-20 in a hurry.
Nova has about a 85% chance of winning this game. But upsets have happened before and wouldn't be out of the question.
Clearly want Nova to win, but if there is one B10 guy I wouldn't mind seeing get a title it's Belein. Considered a real good guy who runs a very clean program.
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Clearly want Nova to win, but if there is one B10 guy I wouldn't mind seeing get a title it's Belein. Considered a real good guy who runs a very clean program.
Agreed with this. One of my favorite non Big East coaches
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I was thinking about this yesterday, I want Nova to be considered a real rival to MU and I hope they get smoked. I know many on here like cheering/supporting another conference team, but I personally want to raise the bar in my thinking. If ND was in BE and playing for NC, I believe few would be pulling for them. To me, that what a rivalry is all about.
So--I am going Michigan by 10+ points. I think they have a hot hand, a great, great coach and are the better team at the moment.
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I was thinking about this yesterday, I want Nova to be considered a real rival to MU and I hope they get smoked. I know many on here like cheering/supporting another conference team, but I personally want to raise the bar in my thinking. If ND was in BE and playing for NC, I believe few would be pulling for them. To me, that what a rivalry is all about.
So--I am going Michigan by 10+ points. I think they have a hot hand, a great, great coach and are the better team at the moment.
I'm getting to the point where I agree with this. When Mack was hired away from Xavier, I found myself thinking "good, I hate those guys." Found myself thinking the sane thing when our big East brethren lost in the non conference, even though I knew it was bad for Marquette.
I don't have Bucky or ND level hate for any of our conference compatriots, but the hate is starting to grow. Not sure if I can ever hate Nova though... They just play such a beautiful brand of basketball that it's hard not to appreciate them.
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Michigan's JV schedule just ended. They are playing a Varsity team now. Nova up big all game but wins by only 10 once the walkons play.
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TAMU
I agree hard to hate Nova, but I can appreciate their style and still root against them. For me, it is time to see hated rivals in BE and not be pulling for them.
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TAMU
I agree hard to hate Nova, but I can appreciate their style and still root against them. For me, it is time to see hated rivals in BE and not be pulling for them.
MU will take the money. (tourney shares) I disagree with this line of reasoning. 5 years ago, the fear was that the Big East was going to be a mid-major. 10 like-minded basketball schools banded together with the intention of being the best basketball-only conference in the country. MU's record has not been what any of us truly want over the last 5 years. But our basketball-only brethren's success is a proxy success for MU. It is a proof of concept. My opinion of other Big East schools will always be tempered by my appreciation of them coming together in the face of football. Sure, I am learning to dislike other fanbases and other coaches. But that dislike ends at tourney time, as (A) we all need the money, and (B) we need to stick it to the big football dominated state schools. Go, Nova.
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I was thinking about this yesterday, I want Nova to be considered a real rival to MU and I hope they get smoked. I know many on here like cheering/supporting another conference team, but I personally want to raise the bar in my thinking. If ND was in BE and playing for NC, I believe few would be pulling for them. To me, that what a rivalry is all about.
So--I am going Michigan by 10+ points. I think they have a hot hand, a great, great coach and are the better team at the moment.
Goose:
Me picking Nova to win has nothing to do with "supporting" another Big East team. I simply happen to think the team that was No. 1 nationally for much of the season, and has gone 21-0 against non-BE teams and 14-0 in neutral-site games, and just smoked a very good Kansas team is better than the fourth-place team from a mediocre conference that didn't have to play a top-5 seed in this entire tournament and was losing to a clearly exhausted Loyola team with 7 minutes to go.
I absolutely would root against Notre Dame in a similar situation ... but I wouldn't hesitate to predict that they'd win if I thought that's what they'd do. I mean, I root for Marquette, but I don't pick us to win the national title every year!
I don't understand how predicting Villanova to win this game makes Nova any more or less likely to be a "real rival to MU" than predicting Villanova to lose does.
Also, if you would, please explain your reasoning behind Michigan is "the better team at the moment." I'm not being snarky. I watched Nova beat Kansas by 1,000 and Michigan barely get past Loyola, but I certainly could be missing something. It wouldn't be the first time.
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Don't get the Nova hate at all. Jay never passes on an opportunity to talk up each and every team in the conference. Moreover, he seems to strongly believe that we're better together than apart.
I'm going to point to one perfect example. Jay could have had a hissy fit when Nova may have successfully fouled Sammy with a few tenths left. And with the kids already streaming on the court, he could have tried to insist on a technical foul. But he showed restraint and perhaps, we'll never know, shook his head 'no' at the ref on the far side with his hand up. He allowed what was clearly the 'right thing' to happen with dignity. And he graciously shook Wojo's hand in the line. Class.
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Big East pride! Go Nova!
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MU82
I was not commenting that people should not predict who they truly believe will win. I simply was saying that I am no longer going to root for teams because they are in the BE. If I stated it poorly, my bad. My prediction of Michigan has nothing to do with Nova being a rival. I think Michigan is hot and is going to win. I think it is going to be a great, great game, but Michigan pulls away late.
jsglow
I have zero hate for Jay or Nova and respect their program big time. As a competitive person, I just do not understand cheering for a rival. Not sure where I saw anyone hating Nova, just I am not going to cheer for a team I want us to beat next year. Another NC makes recruiting all that much easier for them. I would rather see them pull a VA every year and have to recruit trying to explain losing to 16 seed over winning another NC.
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Nova in a snoozer. Win by 17-20.
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You're crazy if you don't root for Nova. By winning a second Championship I think it goes a long way to establishing Nova as a blue blood. The Big East absolutely needs that. That is something that stays with you for a long time. It also shows that you don't have to be getting the money and press that a football program brings to be a true powerhouse in basketball. And the Big East is the poster child for success without football.
I hope Nova wins a few more Championships. I just want MU to be competitive and in the upper tier of the BE. I'll settle for Xavier level success. Sign me up!
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This will be a blowout. Margin of victory 20+ points.
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MU82
I was not commenting that people should not predict who they truly believe will win. I simply was saying that I am no longer going to root for teams because they are in the BE. If I stated it poorly, my bad. My prediction of Michigan has nothing to do with Nova being a rival. I think Michigan is hot and is going to win. I think it is going to be a great, great game, but Michigan pulls away late.
jsglow
I have zero hate for Jay or Nova and respect their program big time. As a competitive person, I just do not understand cheering for a rival. Not sure where I saw anyone hating Nova, just I am not going to cheer for a team I want us to beat next year. Another NC makes recruiting all that much easier for them. I would rather see them pull a VA every year and have to recruit trying to explain losing to 16 seed over winning another NC.
Thanks for the explanation regarding your prediction, Goose. You still didn't explain why Michigan is "the better team," but I'll let it rest.
I happen to disagree with your rationale behind your answer to glow, but I respect you for saying it.
Mr. Wright 88, Hoopin' Harbaughs 68.
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Jeez, Tower started the thread as to who you are predicting to win, not who to root for and any rationale involved, just who will win.
So, predicting Nova big and rooting for Nova. Predicting Michigan to win is fine, but not "rooting" for Nova and seeing another NCAA title for the Big East is crazy.
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Don't care! I have Big East pride in my blood. I have whip marks still on my back from 5 years ago about most saying the Big East is dead. Mid-major, blah, blah, blah!
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nyg
You should root for whomever you want to win. I only was saying that in IMO, if MU is going to be on a high stage moving forward, it is time not to root for teams we want to compete with. I doubt if Duke fans would cheer for UNC or if Spartan fans are jumping on the Blue bandwagon tonight. I want MU to recruit against and beat Nova in the future. I do not want them to have additional advantage over us.
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Heart: Nova in a laugher.
Head: Nova in a laugher, 91-76
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nyg
You should root for whomever you want to win. I only was saying that in IMO, if MU is going to be on a high stage moving forward, it is time not to root for teams we want to compete with. I doubt if Duke fans would cheer for UNC or if Spartan fans are jumping on the Blue bandwagon tonight. I want MU to recruit against and beat Nova in the future. I do not want them to have additional advantage over us.
We would be quite a few years out from having a rivalry with Nova that would come anywhere close to what Duke v UNC, or Mich v Mich St have. Also, honest question, how many recruits have we competed with them for. I would think that since a lot of our recruiting is in the Midwest, we'd want Michigan to lose going strictly off that line of logic.
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Goose
If Marquette wants to rival Villanova, it is about Marquette rising to their level not Villanova slipping to ours.
Right now the Big East is starting to mirror the Big 12, with Nova playing the role of Kansas. Ideally, Marquette becomes good enough that Marquette vs Nova challenges Duke vs UNC as the best rivalry in basketball. But a lot needs to happen first.
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I would think that since a lot of our recruiting is in the Midwest, we'd want Michigan to lose going strictly off that line of logic.
I didn't think of that. Good point.
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DJOver
We could be a long, long away from a real rivalry with Nova, and if it happens, it will not match the others mentioned. As for recruiting, there is far more national recruiting with the top programs than ever before, IMO. Of course MU will compete with Michigan and others for certain kids down the road. A perfect example of that was Grimes recruitment by MU. Wojo went against the top programs and I loved that.
I would prefer Michigan using their success and selling the Big Ten over Nova selling two NC's and being the BE king for a decade. Again, I sure hope one of these days we are in a recruiting battle with Nova.
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DJOver
We could be a long, long away from a real rivalry with Nova, and if it happens, it will not match the others mentioned. As for recruiting, there is far more national recruiting with the top programs than ever before, IMO. Of course MU will compete with Michigan and others for certain kids down the road. A perfect example of that was Grimes recruitment by MU. Wojo went against the top programs and I loved that.
I would prefer Michigan using their success and selling the Big Ten over Nova selling two NC's and being the BE king for a decade. Again, I sure hope one of these days we are in a recruiting battle with Nova.
Agree that the blue chippers generate more national attention than ever before and I loved that Wojo threw his hat in the ring for QG and I hope he continues to do so for other 5* recruits. However Wright has said that he doesn't necessarily just look at the top 50 kids and only recruit them, he recruits to his system. Wojo appears to be building a similar system so they might cross paths on the recruiting trail down the line, but the fact that we had three freshman from the state of Michigan, two of which had offers from either Michigan or Michigan State, I would prefer that a fellow Midwest school can't pull the championship card when recruiting. If Wojo starts hitting the East Coast harder, then I might not want some of the East coast schools to do as well, although this probably has a minute impact on recruiting if any.
As for my prediction, I think it'll be close throughout, but Nova turn it on for a 5 minutes stretch in the second half and wins by 12-15.
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I was thinking about this yesterday, I want Nova to be considered a real rival to MU and I hope they get smoked. I know many on here like cheering/supporting another conference team, but I personally want to raise the bar in my thinking. If ND was in BE and playing for NC, I believe few would be pulling for them. To me, that what a rivalry is all about.
So--I am going Michigan by 10+ points. I think they have a hot hand, a great, great coach and are the better team at the moment.
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And I'm 6'4" and better looking than Robert Redford too.
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Also, honest question, how many recruits have we competed with them for. I would think that since a lot of our recruiting is in the Midwest, we'd want Michigan to lose going strictly off that line of logic.
The most valuable player in college basketball went to high school 65 miles from Marquette - then went to Villanova. Maybe we never got any traction, but I sure hope we were recruiting him.
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MU82
I was not commenting that people should not predict who they truly believe will win. I simply was saying that I am no longer going to root for teams because they are in the BE. If I stated it poorly, my bad. My prediction of Michigan has nothing to do with Nova being a rival. I think Michigan is hot and is going to win. I think it is going to be a great, great game, but Michigan pulls away late.
jsglow
I have zero hate for Jay or Nova and respect their program big time. As a competitive person, I just do not understand cheering for a rival. Not sure where I saw anyone hating Nova, just I am not going to cheer for a team I want us to beat next year. Another NC makes recruiting all that much easier for them. I would rather see them pull a VA every year and have to recruit trying to explain losing to 16 seed over winning another NC.
Nova wins by one after a foul call with 1 second left. Karma can be a bitch!
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jsglow
You are closer to Robert Redford than you are Larry David.
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Nova always has seems to have one huge run. They did it against us a few times and in most games I saw (Texas Tech was the only exception). The reason they looked dominant was they did it the first 5 minutes.
Otherwise, they shot slightly above average from 3 (45% vs 40% on the season, nothing special) and were a bit better on ppp (1.34 vs 1.27). It was a good performance, but not at all an outlier. Nova is just that much better than most teams.
Slightly above average against the #9 KenPom team is pretty good on O (then again Kansas D isnt great). Their defense was pretty solid - which has been a bugaboo for VU in their losses this year. Maybe that's why if felt different on this end - since they maintained a pretty healthy lead for much of the game.
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Slightly above average against the #9 KenPom team is pretty good on O (then again Kansas D isnt great). Their defense was pretty solid - which has been a bugaboo for VU in their losses this year. Maybe that's why if felt different on this end - since they maintained a pretty healthy lead for much of the game.
To me it was like most of their wins against us or against top-25 kenpom teams. They did the same thing to Kansas they did to Tennessee, West Virginia, Gonzaga, Xavier (twice), and Butler at MSG. One dominant run in the game and solid play most of the rest of the time. I feel like throughout the season, Villanova's winning formula has been pretty consistent.
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Nova. MU needs the win $hare$
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Dr.
No they don't. Billy Hoyle is back donating now that Wojo is coach. All is covered.
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Nova in a snoozer. Win by 17-20.
Nova in a snoozer. Win 17-20 :o
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Real prediction: Nova by 19...but lead close to 30 during game.
As far as rooting for this or that.
I root for Nova because its a Big-East team and our conference still needs props. I like Jay Wright.
I root for Michigan because I grew up in AnnArbor...walked to football games as a kid...Bo and Woody...saw Jalen Rose and Chris Webber play in High School....great memories.
But prediction is what I think will actually happen, not just trying to be safe: Nova is going to kill 'em.
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Wagner will give Nova troubles.
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Michigan gave up 63 points per game on the season and held opponents to under 33 percent from three. They have only given up 70 points tree times since the end of January, one of those in OT and one in a blowout win. They aren't suddenly giving up 90. Plus, they control the ball (outside of the A&M game they have only averaged 63 ppg in the tourney) and don't turn the ball over. They will run time off the shot clock which will limit Nova's possessions.
On the flip side, Nova's defense limited teams to 32% from three and we saw a strong perimeter defense in Florida State hold Michigan to 4 for 24 from three.
71-62, Nova.
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To me it was like most of their wins against us or against top-25 kenpom teams. They did the same thing to Kansas they did to Tennessee, West Virginia, Gonzaga, Xavier (twice), and Butler at MSG. One dominant run in the game and solid play most of the rest of the time. I feel like throughout the season, Villanova's winning formula has been pretty consistent.
Yep, I've never seen a knockout punch like they have.
You either hang around for a while and they put a 10-15 point run on you in a 3 minute span and you're like WTF there's no time to come back from this and you play desperate the rest of the way while they play solid, or they blitz you immediately then play solid the rest of they way while you press the issue/take bad shots the rest of the way and every time you make a small run they answer with a small run.
Michigan was down by double digits against Loyola with ~10 to play, and they needed an absurd buzzer beater to take out Houston. Their run ends not with a bang, but with a whimper tonight. Villanova is out for blood.
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I think Nova is better team, but Michigan is very good, very confident, and very well coached. Nova's shooting will come back to earth tonight I think, meaning a close game. Very hard to maintain that level of shooting two games in row in the Final Four. I just don't see Nova repeating that performance. Beilein's 1-3-1 is something Nova is not used to seeing either.
Nova- 82
Michigan- 78
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I was thinking about this yesterday, I want Nova to be considered a real rival to MU and I hope they get smoked. I know many on here like cheering/supporting another conference team, but I personally want to raise the bar in my thinking. If ND was in BE and playing for NC, I believe few would be pulling for them. To me, that what a rivalry is all about.
So--I am going Michigan by 10+ points. I think they have a hot hand, a great, great coach and are the better team at the moment.
In what world is Michigan the better team at the moment??
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I'm rooting hard for Nova.
Nova 81, Michigan 74
Michigan trails all game, but makes a late run.
Let's go Nova!! \\\///
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According to the email I just got from Bovada, Nova is at -7 and it is the biggest spread for a title game since Duke was favored by same over Butler in 2010. We know how that one turned out: Duke won; Butler covered and got within about an inch of winning.
FYI, Georgetown was only an 8-point fave over Nova back in '85.
Kentucky was a 14-point fave over Cuse in 1996; won by 9. Duke was 9.5 fave over UConn in 1999; won by 3.
All info from this site: https://www.boydsbets.com/final-four-betting-history/
It's hard to cover a big spread! (I realize that every time I pull a shirt on over my gut.)
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According to the email I just got from Bovada, Nova is at -7 and it is the biggest spread for a title game since Duke was favored by same over Butler in 2010. We know how that one turned out: Duke won; Butler covered and got within about an inch of winning.
FYI, Georgetown was only an 8-point fave over Nova back in '85.
Kentucky was a 14-point fave over Cuse in 1996; won by 9. Duke was 9.5 fave over UConn in 1999; won by 3.
UConn won that game.
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UConn won that game.
Yes, of course. D'oh!
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UConn won that game.
Yes, of course. D'oh!
82 was thinking about another Lennon song, Imagine.
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MU82
I admit being wrong in saying Michigan is the better team at the moment. I wanted to say the hotter team, but both are playing well. I believe Michigan is going to win because I think their D can cause Nova some trouble and I think Wagner will cause a lot of trouble.
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Since seeding began in 1985, 11 Big Ten teams have played for a national championship going 1-10 ATS
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Nova. MU needs the win $hare$
$hare$ are done. No $hare$ for championship game.
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Wagner will give Nova troubles.
This comes to mind whenever I see Wagner interviewed:
(https://media.giphy.com/media/GWD5nSpiHxs3K/giphy.gif)
That being said, Nova will win after an inspirational montage of their preparation for the game.
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$hare$ are done. No $hare$ for championship game.
Wow. I never knew that. I always thought the champ got cash.
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MU will take the money. (tourney shares) I disagree with this line of reasoning. 5 years ago, the fear was that the Big East was going to be a mid-major. 10 like-minded basketball schools banded together with the intention of being the best basketball-only conference in the country. MU's record has not been what any of us truly want over the last 5 years. But our basketball-only brethren's success is a proxy success for MU. It is a proof of concept. My opinion of other Big East schools will always be tempered by my appreciation of them coming together in the face of football. Sure, I am learning to dislike other fanbases and other coaches. But that dislike ends at tourney time, as (A) we all need the money, and (B) we need to stick it to the big football dominated state schools. Go, Nova.
This is where I'm at. I always cheer for the Big East family outside of the family.
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I will also say that Michigan can win this game, as tgey say thats why tge play tge game. But i agree i think 9 out if 10 Nova wins. They pkayed really really good defense against Kansas. Michigans offense in the games i have watched is pretty pedestrian and not alit of dynamic scorers. Wagner as a stretch 5, will have his hands full on both ends as Paschall and Spellman are also equally comfortable away from the rim as at it. Booth, Dante, Brunson, Bridges it just doesnt stop. Nova will score 70-75 on an off night. Will michigan score 75 on a good night?
Nova 9 out of 10 times.
Point spreads are tough in these types of games because of late game fouling.
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MU82
I admit being wrong in saying Michigan is the better team at the moment. I wanted to say the hotter team, but both are playing well. I believe Michigan is going to win because I think their D can cause Nova some trouble and I think Wagner will cause a lot of trouble.
Umm how are they hotter?
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as tgey say thats why tge play tge game.
Nailed it
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91-64 nova
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Nova 79
Mich 75
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At the start of March Madness Dereck Stevens, owner of The D & Golden Gate Casinos in DT Las Vegas bet $25K on Michigan at 40-1 to win the national championship (picture of ticket attached).
A bettor at William Hill Sports Book bet $500K on Michigan +290 the money line Monday that would win him $1.45 million should the Wolverines win.
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At the start of March Madness Dereck Stevens, owner of The D & Golden Gate Casinos in DT Las Vegas bet $25K on Michigan at 40-1 to win the national championship (picture of ticket attached).
A bettor at William Hill Sports Book bet $500K on Michigan +290 the money line Monday that would win him $1.45 million should the Wolverines win.
He might have even gotten a few beer coupons.
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Nova 68, Michigan 66
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Nova is mostly juniors, with no seniors of consequence.
Win or lose tonight, how many of their guys decide to leave early?
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He might have even gotten a few beer coupons.
And maybe a couple buffets too!
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Nova is mostly juniors, with no seniors of consequence.
Win or lose tonight, how many of their guys decide to leave early?
I think Bridges and Brunson go. Spellman I think stays but he could very well go too.
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Just like when the stars aligned and Marquette beat Nova, given the right conditions, Nova can lose.
But.
Nova easily dispatched with Kansas. And I'd take kansas over Michigan the large majority of the time.
I saw a tweet that talked about nova-kansas. At one point in the second half Kansas scored on 5 out of 5 possessions. They went from down 15 to down 17.
Nova is, by a large margin (imo), the best team in college bball this season
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Nova 84
Michigan 67
I don’t think Nova loses to Wisconsin last year if Spellman was eligible, if that was the case and other circumstances happened they might have been going for their 3rd straight title tonight
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I am all Big East all the time. Go Nova and bring home another NC
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I will completely own my prediction and admit I was wrong.
Kudos to those who predicted much better than I did.
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I will completely own my prediction and admit I was wrong.
Kudos to those who predicted much better than I did.
It isn't over. Fouls may affect outcome.
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The "hot" team got cold, hey?
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MU82
I admit being wrong in saying Michigan is the better team at the moment. I wanted to say the hotter team, but both are playing well. I believe Michigan is going to win because I think their D can cause Nova some trouble and I think Wagner will cause a lot of trouble.
Thanks for the clarification, Goose. You took a shot and you were wrong. I've been wrong a bazillion times.
Nova is an excellent team on both ends of the court, well-coached, deep, can beat you with 3s, can beat you inside, do a great job on the boards, etc, etc, etc.
Michigan was fortunate to reach the title game, but they have nothing to apologize for. They just weren't good enough to beat the nation's best team.
There are those who say the winner of the title game isn't necessarily the best team, and there has been some fun debate here on Scoop, but I doubt too many will argue that Nova wasn't the best team this season.
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Jim Nance not so silky smooth...
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Bridges probs will go pro, same with Brunson, but what if those two decide to return???
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Great season Nova. Way to represent the Big East.
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Bridges probs will go pro, same with Brunson, but what if those two decide to return???
They wont. Nothing left to gain.
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Bridges probs will go pro, same with Brunson, but what if those two decide to return???
Well, pretty much every mock draft has Bridges as a lottery pick, so it's hard to believe he'll stay.
It's also hard to believe Brunson would stay given everything he has accomplished ... but maybe he's one of those kids who loves college so much. He could earn his master's degree and win another national title in the process. But still, hard to imagine him staying.
Spellman's an interesting one. I'd be stunned if he didn't get himself evaluated by NBA types and then make a decision: first-round pick, go; second-rounder, stay.
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MU should go after Brunson as a grad transfer.
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MU82
No doubt Nova is the best team this year and possibly the best program in the country. All you stated was true. They are a fun, fun team to watch, have great players and a great coach. There is no possible way I can find any negative about the that team or program, other being very jealous. Jay & Co. have put together a program that is built for very long term success. Fingers crossed that Wojo & Co. can put together a program that compete with Nova in the future.
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Great season Nova. Way to represent the Big East.
Yes, congrats to Nova.
From the BIG PICTURE perspective, we now have the standard that we can hold MU/Wojo to. It has to be Villanova. Already the talking head analysts are calling Villanova elite/Blueblood, and Wright a Hall of Famer. And since a number of posters here have attempted to portray Wojo favorably to Wright, Villanova rightfully must become the standard to compare MU to. But we must be patient and give Wojo another 10 years to really be fair. Wonder if Wojo will still be here in 10 plus years.
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Villanova is certainly the current standard to aspire to. Congrats to them. Will Wojo be at Marquette in ten years? That is up to Wojo. 1. He does well and chooses to stay.
2. He does well and chooses to leave.
3. He does poorly and is fired.
It is on him.
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Bridges probs will go pro, same with Brunson, but what if those two decide to return???
They would be risking a lot
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Villanova is certainly the current standard to aspire to. Congrats to them. Will Wojo be at Marquette in ten years? That is up to Wojo. 1. He does well and chooses to stay.
2. He does well and chooses to leave.
3. He does poorly and is fired.
It is on him.
Oddly enough, Scoop remains angry in all three scenarios
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MU should go after Brunson as a grad transfer.
I imagine teal, but we can't
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I imagine teal, but we can't
J2M
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They would be risking a lot
Agreed...but the potential upside is winning 3 NCAA titles. Have any non-UCLA players ever done that?
Not expecting them to return, but it would be a cool storyline.
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Agreed...but the potential upside is winning 3 NCAA titles. Have any non-UCLA players ever done that?
Not expecting them to return, but it would be a cool storyline.
Does that pay well? Are there, like, multipliers to their earnings as collegiate athletes?
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Oddly enough, Scoop remains angry in all three scenarios
True, but as the old saying goes: It's the Gift that keeps Giving.
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Does that pay well? Are there, like, multipliers to their earnings as collegiate athletes?
No...which is why I said I don't expect them to return.
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None of the noted scenario's get me angry. Only that bothers me is if coach does poorly and is not fired. Coaches come and go, at most places. I would always prefer a guy winning and staying, but that is not always possible.
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Does that pay well? Are there, like, multipliers to their earnings as collegiate athletes?
Indirectly, yes. Depends mostly on where you'd be taken in the draft today vs. 12 months from now, but also on what you make of an additional year in school.
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No...which is why I said I don't expect them to return.
Just giving you a hard time - we agree: these guys have led a dominant team to a title. Sure they could go for unprecedented glory in the modern era, but at what risk?
It would be "cool", to the extent that watching elite athletes risk their livelihoods as professional athletes for my entertainment is "cool".
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Just giving you a hard time - we agree: these guys have led a dominant team to a title. Sure they could go for unprecedented glory in the modern era, but at what risk?
It would be "cool", to the extent that watching elite athletes risk their livelihoods as professional athletes for my entertainment is "cool".
Was the Noah Florida team the last time this occurred?
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Was the Noah Florida team the last time this occurred?
Umm they still left early
Were fringe draft picks after sophomire seasons, came back for junior seasons
Wholly different scenario
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Thanks for the clarification, Goose. You took a shot and you were wrong. I've been wrong a bazillion times.
Nova is an excellent team on both ends of the court, well-coached, deep, can beat you with 3s, can beat you inside, do a great job on the boards, etc, etc, etc.
Michigan was fortunate to reach the title game, but they have nothing to apologize for. They just weren't good enough to beat the nation's best team.
There are those who say the winner of the title game isn't necessarily the best team, and there has been some fun debate here on Scoop, but I doubt too many will argue that Nova wasn't the best team this season.
So this year the National Champ was actually the best team.
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Umm they still left early
Were fringe draft picks after sophomire seasons, came back for junior seasons
Wholly different scenario
Many thought Noah would have been the No. 1 pick in the 2006 draft had he left after the first title. He seen as a stud, was the Most Outstanding Player of the regional and MOP of the Final Four. He certainly would have been top 5.
He chose to stay, and he ended up going No. 9 in 2007.
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But we must be patient and give Wojo another 10 years to really be fair. Wonder if Wojo will still be here in 10 plus years.
I know it is pointless to respond to your idiocy, but...
It took Wright 22 years as a head coach to win a NC. But wee Willie whines after...well, pretty much since year 1. If you want MU to be akin to Nova are you going to wait another 18 years?
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Was the Noah Florida team the last time this occurred?
Florida w/ Joakim Noah only won 2 titles. Brunson and Bridges would be going for #3 in their career, something that probably hasn't happened since the 70's UCLA.
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Florida w/ Joakim Noah only won 2 titles. Brunson and Bridges would be going for #3 in their career, something that probably hasn't happened since the 70's UCLA.
Yeah, my guess is that the law of diminishing returns would be in play here.
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Florida w/ Joakim Noah only won 2 titles. Brunson and Bridges would be going for #3 in their career, something that probably hasn't happened since the 70's UCLA.
Bobby Hurley, Grant Hill and a few other Duke guys went for number three as Duke made the finals in 90, 91, 92 and 94. But the draft was very different then as it pertained to underclassmen declaring.