https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/979138047274115079
Huh, best of luck to coach Carrawell
Looks to me like somebody whispered in Capel's ear, "Pssst, K will be retiiring after 3 more seasons, so take the Pitt job to gain somemore HC experience, and when K retires, you can waltz through that door." Which should warm Admin's heart, so now is the time to give Wojo a 10 year extension.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 28, 2018, 06:35:34 PM
Looks to me like somebody whispered in Capel's ear, "Pssst, K will be retiiring after 3 more seasons, so take the Pitt job to gain somemore HC experience, and when K retires, you can waltz through that door." Which should warm Admin's heart, so now is the time to give Wojo a 10 year extension.
Admin could give Wojo a 10 year extension anytime they want. If Duke wanted Wojo and Wojo wanted Duke, it would mean absolutely nothing.
Yeah, wow, didn't see this one coming.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 28, 2018, 06:36:42 PM
Admin could give Wojo a 10 year extension anytime they want. If Duke wanted Wojo and Wojo wanted Duke, it would mean absolutely nothing.
And you know that Wojo has this one sided open end with admin, how?
Quote from: willie warrior on March 28, 2018, 06:35:34 PM
Looks to me like somebody whispered in Capel's ear, "Pssst, K will be retiiring after 3 more seasons, so take the Pitt job to gain somemore HC experience, and when K retires, you can waltz through that door." Which should warm Admin's heart, so now is the time to give Wojo a 10 year extension.
10 yrs....forgot wojo was your boy
So does anyone know what CC did while he was here? Really didn't seem to recruit at all other than some recent St Louis activity. Never got any of those snazzy inside Marquette bball interviews, so I honestly have no idea. What hole would Wojo be replacing?
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on March 28, 2018, 06:51:11 PM
So does anyone know what CC did while he was here? Really didn't seem to recruit at all other than some recent St Louis activity. Never got any of those snazzy inside Marquette bball interviews, so I honestly have no idea. What hole would Wojo be replacing?
He was the bigs coach
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on March 28, 2018, 06:51:11 PM
So does anyone know what CC did while he was here? Really didn't seem to recruit at all other than some recent St Louis activity. Never got any of those snazzy inside Marquette bball interviews, so I honestly have no idea. What hole would Wojo be replacing?
Combo guard for noon ball?
His son is going to be senior in high school. He is on a team that won state championship this year and I am Dad wants to be able to go as many of the games as he possibility can.
http://www.independenttribune.com/sports/stone-cold-carrawell-the-bigger-the-moment-the-better-the/article_013f2264-1e3b-11e8-9608-c3941ca38191.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 28, 2018, 06:52:54 PM
He was the bigs coach
Is that normal for a p6 program? Seems like that's a fairly narrow focus.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 28, 2018, 06:42:52 PM
And you know that Wojo has this one sided open end with admin, how?
Because Wades knows how coaching contracts are structured...........buyout clauses are always involved.....for both sides.
Huh, wasn't expecting that. :-\
Let's get a defensive specialist, I guess.
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on March 28, 2018, 06:56:14 PM
Is that normal for a p6 program? Seems like that's a fairly narrow focus.
Yes, Wojo coached the bigs at duke
Last time we had an assistant opening we got Stan.......so that worked out well......
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on March 28, 2018, 06:51:11 PM
What hole would Wojo be replacing?
Do we really need to answer this question?
Should we be answering this question?
Heard CC spent 100% of this past year working solely with Harry Froling
Addition by subtraction
Good luck. I am hopeful we can find a coach that helps impact our D
Quote from: WindyCityGoldenEagle on March 28, 2018, 07:18:02 PM
Addition by subtraction
Really and you know what about the coaching staff? Relationship with players? Individual workouts?
That's just silly stuff.
If both Carrawell and Nelson leaves, I would guess Judson would get one of those slots if he wants it.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 28, 2018, 07:51:22 PM
Really and you know what about the coaching staff? Relationship with players? Individual workouts?
That's just silly stuff.
I stand by my contacts and trust them.
You completely dismissing someone's comments without knowing where their comments come from is just silly stuff. But expected from you.
Quote from: WindyCityGoldenEagle on March 28, 2018, 08:00:59 PM
I stand by my contacts and trust them.
You completely dismissing someone's comments without knowing where their comments come from is just silly stuff. But expected from you.
You didn't say "my contacts weren't impressed with him." You simply made a statement without any substance.
So I'm going to dismiss your comments without substance behind them.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 28, 2018, 06:36:42 PM
Admin could give Wojo a 10 year extension anytime they want. If Duke wanted Wojo and Wojo wanted Duke, it would mean absolutely nothing.
Now that...is comforting.
So much for the congeniality among Duke tree programs?
Quote from: #bansultan on March 28, 2018, 08:03:47 PM
You didn't say "my contacts weren't impressed with him." You simply made a statement without any substance.
So I'm going to dismiss your comments without substance behind them.
Or you couldve simply asked for clarification before taking your typical arrogant, dismissive approach. But that wouldn't fit your personality.
I stand by what I said.
Quote from: WindyCityGoldenEagle on March 28, 2018, 08:13:43 PM
Or you couldve simply asked for clarification before taking your typical arrogant, dismissive approach. But that wouldn't fit your personality.
Nah. Make your comments clear. Otherwise they're just silly nonsense.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 28, 2018, 08:08:10 PM
So much for the congeniality among Duke tree programs?
Could have been totally congenial. I'm sure K called and spoke to Wojo first. Might even be a situation where Carrawell gets better set to earn a HC job while opening up room for an assistant Wojo was hoping to bring in.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 28, 2018, 08:33:23 PM
Could have been totally congenial. I'm sure K called and spoke to Wojo first. Might even be a situation where Carrawell gets better set to earn a HC job while opening up room for an assistant Wojo was hoping to bring in.
Bingo.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 28, 2018, 08:33:23 PM
Could have been totally congenial. I'm sure K called and spoke to Wojo first. Might even be a situation where Carrawell gets better set to earn a HC job while opening up room for an assistant Wojo was hoping to bring in.
I'm confident that's exactly how it went. Coach K isn't cutting Wojo at the knees. These guys talk every week.
Chris is the "good guy" on staff, the players' conduit. He wanted to get back East with his family situation. I expect Nelson leaves too as he is ready. I think all enjoyed their stay in MKE, if not pleasantly surprised. I don't think Judson coming here as an advisor was an accident, but planned.
Quote from: WindyCityGoldenEagle on March 28, 2018, 08:13:43 PM
Or you couldve simply asked for clarification before taking your typical arrogant, dismissive approach. But that wouldn't fit your personality.
I stand by what I said.
sultan's "bedside manor" is brusque.
But really, if you really know something, tell us what you know. Don't make cryptic references to stuff. It's hard to take those kinds of remarks very seriously.
Quote from: MuMark on March 28, 2018, 06:56:59 PM
Because Wades knows how coaching contracts are structured...........buyout clauses are always involved.....for both sides.
And because Wade's was a fan of the program when Al was still at St. Johns....WAY before Willie was a fan. Tenure my man, tenure.
As others have said, it seems like Coach K is making sure his tree is getting a variety of experiences to make them as successful as possible. Good for K and for Duke.
Quote from: MU82 on March 28, 2018, 09:19:25 PM
sultan's "bedside manor" is brusque.
But really, if you really know something, tell us what you know. Don't make cryptic references to stuff. It's hard to take those kinds of remarks very seriously.
Because when you make direct references like the Froling news, posters jump on you. And then six weeks later the same doubters say it was "obvious".
So you get cryptic or you create a new user name or post from Jimmy Johns. There are many examples where I get cryptic as well. Preseason NIT news. I was literally sitting next to the AD member in Maui feeding me the scoop. Nelson not on recruiting trail recently. I asked "where is Nelson?". Cheatham at and during Maui and moving on for "a family situation". Sam's hip, Rowsey news, Duane transferring a year before it happens, Buzz situation, Vander throwing his crutches down in Maui, etc.
The Scoop Intelligencia goes into shut down mode automatically. The funny thing is most of these posters are as far from the know location wise as can be. I love when they go after Goose, who at this point, belongs to maybe to the First Family of Marquette Basketball. (I don't agree with many of his opinions but agree with his history and perspective).
End of the day, I share less and am cryptic more. I enjoy the cats swatting at the yarn ball.
Good luck to Chris at his next stop. Appreciative for all of his work here.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 28, 2018, 09:50:18 PM
Because when you make direct references like the Froling news, posters jump on you. And then six weeks later the same doubters say it was "obvious".
So you get cryptic or you create a new user name or post from Jimmy Johns. There are many examples where I get cryptic as well. Preseason NIT news. I was literally sitting next to the AD member in Maui feeding me the scoop. Nelson not on recruiting trail recently. I asked "where is Nelson?". Cheatham at and during Maui and moving on for "a family situation". Sam's hip, Rowsey news, Duane transferring a year before it happens, Buzz situation, Vander throwing his crutches down in Maui, etc.
The Scoop Intelligencia goes into shut down mode automatically. The funny thing is most of these posters are as far from the know location wise as can be. I love when they go after Goose, who at this point, belongs to maybe to the First Family of Marquette Basketball. (I don't agree with many of his opinions but agree with his history and perspective).
End of the day, I share less and am cryptic more. I enjoy the cats swatting at the yarn ball.
Whatever floats your boat, Doc.
I've always been a believer that if you're gonna share info, then share the info.
But I do respect you, FWIW.
Windys statement wasn't cryptic. It was an opinion without basis.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 28, 2018, 10:13:07 PM
Windys statement wasn't cryptic. It was an opinion without basis.
Just bc I didn't state the basis doesn't mean it didn't have basis. Can you at least agree on that?
Quote from: MU82 on March 28, 2018, 10:07:32 PM
Whatever floats your boat, Doc.
I've always been a believer that if you're gonna share info, then share the info.
But I do respect you, FWIW.
For the record, I post only under Blackheart. But, others may choose not to (team manager). I understand that. That said, an anonymous screen name gives me no credibility but it gives me consistency.
You, Mike, you are an award winning pro, so I respect your burden of objective journalism. I am just saying why folks do what they do.
He was a suit on the bench. Wish him good luck, but not a loss in any way.
Dr. B
Thanks for the shout out. Far from first family, definitely not for most on here, and love MU ball like all on here. I have some insight on history, but few care anymore. Like you, I want the best for program.
FYI— far from first family, but a million "real life" experiences that I would not trade for anything!!
Quote from: Goose on March 28, 2018, 10:31:45 PM
Dr. B
Thanks for the shout out. Far from first family, definitely not for most on here, and love MU ball like all on here. I have some insight on history, but few care anymore. Like you, I want the best for program.
FYI— far from first family, but a million "real life" experiences that I would not trade for anything!!
Can't think of any others at this point after Linda passed. Best!
Quote from: jsglow on March 28, 2018, 09:12:16 PM
I'm confident that's exactly how it went. Coach K isn't cutting Wojo at the knees. These guys talk every week.
Maybe the deal is there's a Player to be named Later :Dhttps://www.muscoop.com/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 28, 2018, 10:24:11 PM
For the record, I post only under Blackheart. But, others may choose not to (team manager). I understand that. That said, an anonymous screen name gives me no credibility but it gives me consistency.
You, Mike, you are an award winning pro, so I respect your burden of objective journalism. I am just saying why folks do what they do.
Pretty damn good for a non-Milennial who didn't get to live through everyone-gets-a-trophy week.
Quote from: Benny B on March 28, 2018, 10:46:27 PM
Pretty damn good for a non-Milennial who didn't get to live through everyone-gets-a-trophy week.
Mike's rant on Erin Andrews is a classic. Nice guy in person too.
Quote from: WindyCityGoldenEagle on March 28, 2018, 08:13:43 PM
Or you couldve simply asked for clarification before taking your typical arrogant, dismissive approach. But that wouldn't fit your personality.
I stand by what I said.
When one of us says, "addition by subtraction" regarding a PLAYER, it's a bit of a harsh assessment, even if true. We can make it because it's all there for us to see. I may have said it here or aloud once or twice, and regretted it, as most MU kids (sans maybe toddler) lay out their heart and soul for our program. Still, while effort is great, we all can see the player's on-court results/resume, and sometimes the harsh assessment fits, even when it merely describes individual skill or game performance and in no way makes a comment about the player's "fit", "character" or team chemistry.
When one of uses "+ by -" regarding a COACH, it's every bit as harsh, yet sometimes every bit as true. However, since the asst's handiwork is not visible to us (other than Scoopers seeing the general skills of the players he's been working with), when a poster makes this claim, it implies that the "author" has detailed evidence from specific sources that said coach is not getting the job done. Maybe his work ethic is lacking. Maybe his approach has gotten stale. Maybe he can't relate to players or other coaches, nor can they relate to him. Absent sources and specifics, we probably should refrain from saying it. I doubt the phrase fits for CC, but I have zero contacts who could attest.
I think that's all Sultan was getting at. I've never met the guy, I don't have a dog in this fight. Just think he keeps the board honest. I have problem with brevity (like here, lol) and he called me on it once, and he was right. We have a healthy board here. I can't say one poster really gets to me. Ok, maybe Tugg and his love of self-driving vehicles (and his penchant for lumping suburbanites into the "Luddite" category, lol). Na, he's ok. Best board in college basketball from the 20 or so I've perused. MU82 just summed things up extremely well above. Let's all see each others value. If we were "in person", sure we'd want to reach out and smack each other, that's often the nature of confident opinion givers and divergent personalities....which is what a message board is all about. Remember that in person, though, raised voices (at least at MU rah rah) almost inevitably lead to raised beer mugs and rarely fists. But if Sultan or WCGE take off their wristwatches....look out. :-)
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 28, 2018, 08:33:23 PM
Could have been totally congenial. I'm sure K called and spoke to Wojo first. Might even be a situation where Carrawell gets better set to earn a HC job while opening up room for an assistant Wojo was hoping to bring in.
Are we sure Wojo didn't call Coach K and use his mind games to get Coach K to hire Carrawell?
DT2MU
Quote from: ZenyattasTapitColt on March 28, 2018, 10:49:18 PM
When one of us says, "addition by subtraction" regarding a PLAYER, it's a bit of a harsh assessment, even if true. We can make it because it's all there for us to see. I may have said it here or aloud once or twice, and regretted it, as most MU kids (sans maybe toddler) lay out their heart and soul for our program. Still, while effort is great, we all can see the player's on-court results/resume, and sometimes the harsh assessment fits, even when it merely describes individual skill or game performance and in no way makes a comment about the player's "fit", "character" or team chemistry.
When one of uses "+ by -" regarding a COACH, it's every bit as harsh, yet sometimes every bit as true. However, since the asst's handiwork is not visible to us (other than Scoopers seeing the general skills of the players he's been working with), when a poster makes this claim, it implies that the "author" has detailed evidence from specific sources that said coach is not getting the job done. Maybe his work ethic is lacking. Maybe his approach has gotten stale. Maybe he can't relate to players or other coaches, nor can they relate to him. Absent sources and specifics, we probably should refrain from saying it. I doubt the phrase fits for CC, but I have zero contacts who could attest.
I think that's all Sultan was getting at. I've never met the guy, I don't have a dog in this fight. Just think he keeps the board honest. I have problem with brevity (like here, lol) and he called me on it once, and he was right. We have a healthy board here. I can't say one poster really gets to me. Ok, maybe Tugg and his love of self-driving vehicles (and his penchant for lumping suburbanites into the "Luddite" category, lol). Na, he's ok. Best board in college basketball from the 20 or so I've perused. MU82 just summed things up extremely well above. Let's all see each others value. If we were "in person", sure we'd want to reach out and smack each other, that's often the nature of confident opinion givers and divergent personalities....which is what a message board is all about. Remember that in person, though, raised voices (at least at MU rah rah) almost inevitably lead to raised beer mugs and rarely fists. But if Sultan or WCGE take off their wristwatches....look out. :-)
Thank you. However I was not at my best yesterday and I do apologize.
That being said if we were in a bar you'd probably find me very agreeable.
Quote from: WindyCityGoldenEagle on March 28, 2018, 10:19:46 PM
Just bc I didn't state the basis doesn't mean it didn't have basis. Can you at least agree on that?
Of course. And I am sorry. Bad day yesterday impacted me here and that wasn't your fault.
Just when you say things so brief, you come off more like the game thread doofuses that say things like "Heldt sucks!" than you do a knowledgeable poster with some good info.
Quote from: Benny B on March 28, 2018, 10:46:27 PM
Pretty damn good for a non-Milennial who didn't get to live through everyone-gets-a-trophy week.
Kids don't give themselves the trophy. Blame the parents, the coaches, and the organization for distributing trophies.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 29, 2018, 08:22:17 AM
What kind of coach is Thorson.
High school. DeLaSalle. Set all sorts of state records for championships. Was an assistant at Drake last season
Quote from: #bansultan on March 29, 2018, 08:58:28 AM
Of course. And I am sorry. Bad day yesterday impacted me here and that wasn't your fault.
Just when you say things so brief, you come off more like the game thread doofuses that say things like "Heldt sucks!" than you do a knowledgeable poster with some good info.
All good man and I hope you're having a better day today. :)
I'm not here to pick fights with people and I just got the vibe that you were trying to do that with me. However, reading your 2nd line above re doofus posters makes it clear why you took that tone so my apologies if I came across that way or got too defensive in my subsequent posts. I don't have much of a posting history so I can see how my quick comment could've been interpreted as a troll just making some stupid, baseless comment. It definitely was not that.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 29, 2018, 08:22:17 AM
What kind of coach is Thorson.
Demands strong, consistent work ethic. GRINDER.
Yes, was at De for two decades+, but also an assistant under Clem Haskins at Minnesota in the early 90s (til '94)... one year at SoDak in the 80s. Gets buy in from players to work their tails off. See: Sacar and Reid Travis at Stanford for examples.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 29, 2018, 02:20:40 PM
Demands strong, consistent work ethic. GRINDER.
Yes, was at De for two decades+, but also an assistant under Clem Haskins at Minnesota in the early 90s (til '94)... one year at SoDak in the 80s. Gets buy in from players to work their tails off. See: Sacar and Reid Travis at Stanford for examples.
Sold.
Midwest ties, and would have street cred with HS coaches.
6 weeks ago I would have been majorly skeptical of a long-time HS coach translating to the high major game, but after reading profiles of guys like Yaklich & Oats it seems like that experience wires you to coach fundamentals. Bring him on.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 29, 2018, 02:20:40 PM
Demands strong, consistent work ethic. GRINDER.
Yes, was at De for two decades+, but also an assistant under Clem Haskins at Minnesota in the early 90s (til '94)... one year at SoDak in the 80s. Gets buy in from players to work their tails off. See: Sacar and Reid Travis at Stanford for examples.
Thanks. Sounds like a great fit.
Quote from: WindyCityGoldenEagle on March 28, 2018, 08:13:43 PM
Or you couldve simply asked for clarification before taking your typical arrogant, dismissive approach. But that wouldn't fit your personality.
I stand by what I said.
Maybe add some more detail in your post.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on March 29, 2018, 09:29:42 AM
Kids don't give themselves the trophy. Blame the parents, the coaches, and the organization for distributing trophies.
The elderly generally assume their time was better. Some get quite agitated about it. See: USA, 2016.
Quote from: yetipro on March 29, 2018, 03:59:35 PM
The elderly generally assume their time was better. Some get quite agitated about it. See: USA, 2016.
I laughed.