I'm starting this thread early cuz my niece needs a ticket. Now, to the business at hand.
Let's eff these ducks! Duck livers on the menu, which is really pretty good! Smoked duck is pretty good too....but that's another thread.
Making the early call for Wowsey for SOTG.
GO WARRIORS!!!!!! One more in the Al!
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Don't you know, it's pronounced "Oregone"???
Friend from there insists it's orygun. She even had T-shirts made for us.
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 18, 2018, 03:00:14 PM
Friend from there insists it's orygun. She even had T-shirts made for us.
Nice. People will look at you funny if you say "Oregone" in Oregon.
No lineup posted yet on the board.
foie gras?
Yes, please
Had some amazing stuff at Christmas.
You spelled the state correctly, anyone on TV worth his salt wouldn't mispronounce Orygun.
Rowsey not statrting .... Cain is
Orygun? I think I was on a trail their once
Quote from: guzica on March 18, 2018, 03:18:06 PM
Rowsey not statrting .... Cain is
Who did Rowsey piss off, and why?
Unless someone got to it first, looks like line is MU -4.5
Quote from: guzica on March 18, 2018, 03:18:06 PM
Rowsey not statrting .... Cain is
Do we get pouting Andy as a result or motivated Andy? For what could be his last college game, let's hope we get motivated AR who facilitates and hit open shots.
Quote from: guzica on March 18, 2018, 03:18:06 PM
Rowsey not statrting .... Cain is
That's interesting....Rowdy is about the last person I would expect to not be in the starting lineup. Hope he's not in the doghouse
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 18, 2018, 03:25:17 PM
That's interesting....Rowdy is about the last person I would expect to not be in the starting lineup. Hope he's not in the doghouse
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MEh. At this point, who really cares?
Rowsey. Starts. Board wrong
Has Oregon had a possession where they didn't travel yet?
NM
A lot louder in here vs. Wednesday.
We have an early Froling sighting!
Froling didn't go back to Australia yet? Whoa!
Andy with a couple quick 3s. Let's keep this up guys.
Baby blues curse?
Transition defense better be prepared, they are running.
Heldt on one defense possession was at MU logo.
Harry in because Theo picked up two fouls in 30seconds. 30seconds.
Looks like a run and gun game, fun.
Quote from: chapman on March 18, 2018, 03:40:17 PM
Froling didn't go back to Australia yet? Whoa!
Few more mind games left for the poor sap.
Quote from: Oldgym on March 18, 2018, 03:39:14 PM
A lot louder in here vs. Wednesday.
Sounds better on TV too...
Foot on the gas boys.
FINALLY! I'm pretty sure that's Rowdy's first four point play of the season
Good Rowsey today!
Have a game Andy!
No let up boys.
I thought that was a foul in real time....but watching the replay....I think the MFer just jerked his arm after he shot it to trick the ref!
Man Markus just cannot stay in front of anyone, Oregon player just had a free run to the rack.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 18, 2018, 03:49:13 PM
I thought that was a foul in real time....but watching the replay....I think the MFer just jerked his arm after he shot it to trick the ref!
Yep.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 18, 2018, 03:49:13 PM
I thought that was a foul in real time....but watching the replay....I think the MFer just jerked his arm after he shot it to trick the ref!
Went back and watched the replay again in slow mo....this is exactly what happened. Sneaky bastard
Jamal is gonna be so good.
Rowsey has that Lee Harvey Oswald Look going again.
Cain's a shooter.
Wonder what the logic was for taking Cain out..?
Rowsey is fun to watch. Good Rowsey is REALLY fun to watch.
30 points in a quarter. That's ridiculous!
note: I was posting before the announcers said it - I swear!
Rowsey May get 40? MU to 100?
Just have to stop fouling them. They have 8 of 19 points from the line. Just stop it
Fun game so far.
Bad Andy gowne!
Our D looks really good today...on top of Rowsey, being Rowsey. What a quarter.
Like the atmosphere at the AL!!
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 18, 2018, 03:52:31 PM
Wonder what the logic was for taking Cain out..?
What was the logic for keeping him in? He's 1/2 with a rebound, a steal, and a dropped rebound that was basically a turnover. Having a good game but not one where subbing him out to get a breather is a bad move.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 18, 2018, 03:56:07 PM
Our D looks really good today...on top of Rowsey, being Rowsey. What a quarter.
And honestly, Oregon's D looks bad so far...but I'll take it!
How come this team waited until the NIT to decide to start playing good defense??
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 18, 2018, 03:52:31 PM
Wonder what the logic was for taking Cain out..?
To get Sacar back in, who is playing well on both ends, and to offer a coaching moment to Cain, who forgot to stop the ball and instead ran back to his defender in the corner, leading to Oregon getting fouled and shooting FT's. He stops the ball there and it is likely a TO instead of a foul.
Heldt doesn't get credit for a bucket there, but Elliott gets that bucket, because Heldt screened out the defender.
Can we keep it up for 40, with no let up?
This is not the defense we're used to. Same goes for Harvard game. Is this our opponents or us?!
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 18, 2018, 03:57:33 PM
What was the logic for keeping him in? He's 1/2 with a rebound, a steal, and a dropped rebound that was basically a turnover. Having a good game but not one where subbing him out to get a breather is a bad move.
Logic for keeping him in? He aint winded after 4 minutes. Just hit a 3. Disruptive. Let him stay in the flow. Personal prefernce.
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 18, 2018, 02:53:54 PM
Making the early call for Wowsey for SOTG.
GO WARRIORS!!!!!! One more in the Al!
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Someone knew something...besides ND sucks I mean.....
It's weird watching a team with worse defense than us. Hopefully they keep letting us shoot open shots all game.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 18, 2018, 04:04:14 PM
Logic for keeping him in? He aint winded after 4 minutes. Just hit a 3. Disruptive. Let him stay in the flow. Personal prefernce.
I'm trying to understand what you're complaining about. We'd be winning by more with Cain staying in there? (even though he got back in)
So does Cain get an assist for that Rowdy three?
Quote from: Boozemon Barro on March 18, 2018, 04:06:46 PM
It's weird watching a team with worse defense than us. Hopefully they keep letting us shoot open shots all game.
They have backed off our shooters a number of times, leaving shooters wide open. Did they get the wrong scouting report?
Cain really needs to work on his hands and passing decisions during the offseason
The game is still moving too fast for Cain. When it all slows down for him, watch out.
Quote from: tower912 on March 18, 2018, 04:09:02 PM
Cain really needs to work on his hands and passing decisions during the offseason
Quote from: forgetful on March 18, 2018, 04:09:21 PM
The game is still moving too fast for Cain. When it all slows down for him, watch out.
Agreed. He's got the talent, just needs to put it all together.
Quote from: tower912 on March 18, 2018, 04:09:02 PM
Cain really needs to work on his hands and passing decisions during the offseason
He has had a few frustrating passes/bobbles. Hell of a talent though.
Up 17 and now can't hit anything. Let's go guys, fouls mounting up now.
Sam is off, but offensive rebound energy is nice to watch today.
Looks like maybe the boys got a little bit of time in the Al since last game.
Syracuse up 2 on Michigan State with 6 seconds left
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 18, 2018, 04:14:30 PM
Syracuse up 2 on Michigan State with 6 seconds left
We might score more in a half, than either Michigan State or Syracuse scores in the entire game.
Cuse Wins.
Sacar playing like a junkyard dog. Love it.
Sacar's shooting stroke is vastly improved during the season.
If he can improve his ball handling to a similar degree this offseason, that would be huge.
I don't know that I've ever seen a layup get goaltended but go in anyway
Where do I get a pair of those yellow MU kicks?
That was a real late whistle. I do think Cain fouled him, but wow was that late.
Sweet move by Theo. He perfects that back down, baby hook off the glass...look out..
Imagine if Markus was playing his norm...been pretty brutal today.
Theo is a scary man as a freshman!
up 20 at half? Let's keep the feet on their throats, hey?
Oregon coach really sulking as he walked off the court, wow.
Wow, what a first half! It looks like they're putting it all together today. Really a good, complete half of basketball.
That was fun, need to keep this lead thru quarter number 3 for security, no lead big enough.
MU has six players with two fouls. Oregon has 15 points from the line for almost 40% of their points.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on March 18, 2018, 04:26:43 PM
up 20 at half? Let's keep the feet on their throats, hey?
I thought Oregon was suppose to be a good shooting team rather than score in the paint. I'm nervous that we have that lead, hope we don't play like we did in the final minutes of the Harvard game; especially if Oregon starts pressing Howardd and Rowsey.
Any further opinions from the Howard as a capable point guard next year peeps?
What's the NIT record for most points in a half?
Importantly, nobody has 3 fouls. Cain is key. Sammy and Greg can barely move. Long season and both are really, really beat up.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on March 18, 2018, 04:26:43 PM
up 20 at half? Let's keep the feet on their throats, hey?
Like this?
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e6/a7/f5/e6a7f5a2daaecdda242c7b26bad21084--movie-lines-movie-quotes.jpg)
Great half. Perhaps the best of the year. Let's see if we can do it again!
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 18, 2018, 04:32:16 PM
especially if Oregon starts pressing Howardd and Rowsey.
They already played the press for a while, it was marginally effective, but they were clearly wearing themselves down running all over the place. Plus they jumped at Rowsey for a foul and it pretty much ended the press.
I'm sure they'll try it again though.
Love the play in first half. Rowsey great, Howard marginal, Anim great, refs honk, and Froling 2 fouls in about 20 seconds.
Kepp the foot on their jugular.
No lead is safe.
Quote from: HelfaerWarrior on March 18, 2018, 04:36:23 PM
Great half. Perhaps the best of the year. Let's see if we can do it again!
Agree.
Only negative - fouls. 18 trips to the line for Oregon. 15 points off those trips.
Lets come out strong in the second half.
Quote from: nyg on March 18, 2018, 04:38:01 PM
No lead is safe.
Yeah. Buzz with a 20 point lead at Louisville with 5 to go, and crapped the bed. The Louisville meltdown.
Gave up 58.8% 2FG% and put 'em on the line often. Oregon with 1.09 ppp.
So, defense wasn't good. Offense, great. #pray
Quote from: Boozemon Barro on March 18, 2018, 04:32:45 PM
What's the NIT record for most points in a half?
What is the NCAA record for most points in a quarter?
Great half
Cain playing like the ball has lube on it. Rowsey great start but he just needs to not get too carried away
Theo, greg, matt, and sacar have been good. Hauser hopefully gets his shot going after that make. Howard needs to learn to play hard even when his shot is not going in, he acts compketely flustered n pouts when his shot doesnt fall. Kudos to wojo for just benching him when he does, greg is better than a sulking markus
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 18, 2018, 04:38:54 PM
Agree.
Only negative - fouls. 18 trips to the line for Oregon. 15 points off those trips.
14 fouls called against us...we didn't foul that many times. Several were phantom fouls.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 18, 2018, 04:41:33 PM
What is the NCAA record for most points in a quarter?
I believe 38. Oregon in their last game.
Quote from: Boozemon Barro on March 18, 2018, 04:32:45 PM
What's the NIT record for most points in a half?
Looked it up... Bradley scored 72 in a half against Xavier in 1957. That is also the all-time record for a college game at MSG.
Oregon is hacking away when we have the ball and they are letting it go, but then calling every touch/grab against us.
The future is bright
Big time move by GE. And big time pass by Andy to Jam for the flush!
What were the refs even discussing? The defender never came close to stopping moving at any point.
Quote from: forgetful on March 18, 2018, 04:42:22 PM
I believe 38. Oregon in their last game.
I meant for a player.
Greg flexing after the fast break bucket was great. You could tell he wanted to, then thought maybe he shouldn't, but Theo egged him on. So funny
Would be nice if we can keep it up and rest Sam the rest of this one.
That shot of Greg attempting to flex with Theo right behind him made me laugh way more then it should have.
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 18, 2018, 04:52:54 PM
What were the refs even discussing? The defender never came close to stopping moving at any point.
Continuation is the only thing I can think of
Quote from: skianth16 on March 18, 2018, 04:53:54 PM
Greg flexing after the fast break bucket was great. You could tell he wanted to, then thought maybe he shouldn't, but Theo egged him on. So funny
Yup, you can fit both of Greg's arms in one of Theo's.
Tug of war was funny but not very distracting
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 18, 2018, 04:58:59 PM
Tug of war was funny but not very distracting
Thought it was hilarious too, but yes, more for TV time than actual distraction.
Rule of verticality is a myth
These refs are god awful
1. These foul calls are getting ridiculous.
2. We are awful against a press.
These refs are intolerable. Swallow your fucking whistles a bit!!!
face it Sports Fans. Froling was never a difference maker, unless you want to count the scholarship he used up. Who the hell was the guy that started that mantra? bet he is hiding somewhere.
If anything that was a charge, Froling was standing still and the guy drove right into his chest. Should have been a no call. Refs are absurd.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 18, 2018, 04:54:13 PM
That shot of Greg attempting to flex with Theo right behind him made me laugh way more then it should have.
"Attempting" is the operative word here. What a skinny kid with oodles of athleticism. Needs to eat lot of carbos, soon.
"Rivers are running backwards." That was a good one.
We might run out of players.
Oregon bring the Pac
Would have been nice to have more games like this during the season. MU would have had a very good record in the PAC12. Such a garbage conference.
Literally a whistle every possession
Quote from: willie warrior on March 18, 2018, 05:04:17 PM
face it Sports Fans. Froling was never a difference maker, unless you want to count the scholarship he used up. Who the hell was the guy that started that mantra? bet he is hiding somewhere.
Jay Bilas, in Maui.
You get the sense that Oregon is setting up for a run once 4 MU players foul out.
Refs have ruined this game. Thanks dicks
Quote from: peterpan on March 18, 2018, 05:06:38 PM
Would have been nice to have more games like this during the season. MU would have had a very good record in the PAC12. Such a garbage conference.
Yeah. And the only people that follow them are the west coasters.
Hauser airballed an open 3. Prep the OR. Start his surgery at 5:30
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 18, 2018, 05:06:54 PM
Literally a whistle every possession
And then nothing on either Sacar's drive, or Theo trying to rebound.
Sam must be really hurt by the looks of that shot..... not that I didn't know that.
Sacar got mugged and no call. I know we're up 22 but this is ridiculous. Should be up by about 40.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on March 18, 2018, 05:10:04 PM
Sam must be really hurt by the looks of that shot..... not that I didn't know that.
How long do they have before the next game if we win?
Sacar and AR both went to the locker room just now.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 18, 2018, 05:01:38 PM
These refs are god awful
Just awful. Please do not insult God. Just awful.
BTW, the refs also suck, blow, honk, have sex with donkies, and are No Dick grads. (I made that up)
Oregon bring the Pac 12 refs that call fouls for breathing with them?
Press break is decent when Hauser is in, disastrous when he isn't. Sucks that between that and needing bodies we can't rest him.
Quote from: Oldgym on March 18, 2018, 05:11:58 PM
Sacar and AR both went to the locker room just now.
Our only "healthy" players left.
Quote from: forgetful on March 18, 2018, 05:11:30 PM
How long do they have before the next game if we win?
Play Tuesday night
Tues
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on March 18, 2018, 05:10:04 PM
Sam must be really hurt by the looks of that shot..... not that I didn't know that.
This kid is ultra tough. Hope he gets the surgery, rehabs, comes back strong. While slow, he does everything right. And they say his brother is better. Oh brother.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 18, 2018, 05:12:23 PM
Just awful. Please do not insult God. Just awful.
BTW, the refs also suck, blow, honk, have sex with donkies, and are No Dick grads. (I made that up)
I'm in the same camp as MU82. Just a lot less vocal about it.
Anyways, great 3 quarters let's finish it out strong. Much better against the press today.
How pretty was that move by M2N?
Theo, quietly in double figures.
Theo has a really nice post game
Quote from: forgetful on March 18, 2018, 05:17:01 PM
Theo, quietly in double figures.
Those dunks were anything but quiet
I'm just laughing at some of these calls
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 18, 2018, 05:18:37 PM
Those dunks were anything but quiet
After I posted that, I was thinking to myself the same thing.
Man, I wish the Al was 7500-8500. Place would be an absolute snake pit. Play the weekend games downtown but Butler on Wednesday night would be great at an on campus arena.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 18, 2018, 05:19:05 PM
I'm just laughing at some of these calls
Not even nickel dimers. These are bad pennies. Hope these refs enjoyed starring in this show.
Supposedly, according to Kenpom, Oregon's D is 100 spots better than ours.
Game would be a 40 point game if not for crappy whistle happy officials.
Great game so far by the Warriors. One of the best of the year. The LaCrosse team even getting into the action.
The Pac12 must really suck this year. Oregon's defense is terrible. Wonder if they could even hang with DePaul.
Looks like the venue at the Al is perfect for this.
Sucks that MU isn't allowed to guard layups anymore.
I love when the only ref who is staring at Sacars foot stands silent while the one with three players between him and the foot sees him apparently drag it
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 18, 2018, 05:24:11 PM
Sucks that MU isn't allowed to guard layups anymore.
I was thinking the same thing. That coupled with them letting Oregon reach and hack will make this game end up closer than it has been.
Hang on mode
Dana Altman in the Hall of Fame? Really?
You would think it's Oregon that's up 20 with how much the announcers are talking about the young talent of Oregon and Altman.
Why not just feed it to Theo in the post and let him go to work. Kick it back out if they double.
Let's temper the M2N talk. His carelessness with the ball is troubling. We will NOT be very good next year if Markus is running point. Have to get one this spring.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 18, 2018, 05:28:32 PM
Let's temper the M2N talk. His carelessness with the ball is troubling. We will NOT be very good next year if Markus is running point. Have to get one this spring.
Could be. Rowdy had similar struggles last season and he developed very well.
All these foul calls continue to be stupid.
Last three minutes just sloppy and brutal. Glad Wojo took a timeout to explain.
Fouls, ugh, goodbye Sacar, had great game.
Now Howard goodbye, ridiculous.
Mmm, Up 15 with three to go so safe.
Eat a bag of dicks ref seriously
Horrible reffing. Let's get this over with before we have to put in Cam.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 18, 2018, 05:28:32 PM
Let's temper the M2N talk. His carelessness with the ball is troubling. We will NOT be very good next year if Markus is running point. Have to get one this spring.
#FakeNews
His 15.4% TO rate is very good.
A crowd chant directed at the refs would be appropriate right now
wow - the game thread is so quiet and ...pleasant when we are winning big.
Hang on boys, and we'll have another home game.
Shame ESPN stopped showing the LAX bros.
His argument for the team being fouled earning FTs the rest of the half assumes having a country full of competent refs. Part of me thinks the quarters rule actually lessens the refs impact when they are g.. really awful
This last 4 minutes looks like the Harvard game all over. Get these guys motivated, Wojo! No defense whatsoever.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 18, 2018, 05:35:06 PM
This last 4 minutes looks like the Harvard game all over. Get these guys motivated, Wojo! No defense whatsoever.
When we play good defense, they call phantom calls. What do you want?
Cain...ugh
Quote from: willie warrior on March 18, 2018, 05:35:06 PM
This last 4 minutes looks like the Harvard game all over. Get these guys motivated, Wojo! No defense whatsoever.
Announcers just said it A redo of Wednesday night.
Jamal got away with a travel and then throws it away. Need to take care of the ball. And then Rowsey throws it away.
Come on guys.
We got this.
Wojo better find a PG for next year. Because the cupboard is bare.
Fouls are bad, and yes we get it with the refs, but handling the inbounds and breaking press, picking up dribble is terrible.
How the unnatural carnal knowledge is that a foul on Heldt. He had all ball.
Ok ref. Ok.
Absolutely unwatchable. The way this game has been officiated is awful.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 18, 2018, 05:32:32 PM
#FakeNews
His 15.4% TO rate is very good.
Bet for next season, if Markus is our primary PG, his TO Rate will be over 15.5. You have the under..
A PG is important, but how about the overall depth of this team with all the guys coming in next year? The lack of depth has really shown in these two games.
Hausers hip injury has spread to his brain
Wtf Sam
This is why no one watches the NIT. Good God this has been painful since mid 3Q.
Quote from: forgetful on March 18, 2018, 05:36:20 PM
When we play good defense, they call phantom calls. What do you want?
They aren't phantom calls. God you whine about the refs every game. Blame the new emphases the NCAA wants. Those are fouls.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 18, 2018, 05:43:55 PM
They aren't phantom calls. God you whine about the refs every game. Blame the new emphases the NCAA wants. Those are fouls.
+1000
Expecting Penn State to press the entire game.
Game was over. Altman just being a douchebag pressing in the final minute.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 18, 2018, 05:43:55 PM
They aren't phantom calls. God you whine about the refs every game. Blame the new emphases the NCAA wants. Those are fouls.
Sultan you know I agree with you most of the time but your blind support of the zebras is just incorrect.
Marquette got hosed that game, no two ways about it.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 18, 2018, 05:43:55 PM
They aren't phantom calls. God you whine about the refs every game. Blame the new emphases the NCAA wants. Those are fouls.
Principle of verticality is an emphasis. They ignored it.
They called every touch on our end; ignored it when they reached and grabbed with their pressure.
Can they be called fouls? Yes. Was it called the same way on both ends. No. Did the over active whistles ruin the game. Yes.
NCAA officials are terrible. These were beyond pale.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 18, 2018, 05:46:33 PM
Sultan you know I agree with you most of the time but your blind support of the zebras is just incorrect.
Marquette got hosed that game, no two ways about it.
Nope. Those are what the NCAA wants.
More blue and gold whining. Every. F*ckig. Game.
"With a little practice Howard can be a good point guard next year". Which morons said that??? Almost hope Froling does leave cause this team needs two ball handlers in a huge way. Greg was better with one hand than Howard.
Quote from: yetipro on March 18, 2018, 05:44:46 PM
Expecting Penn State to press the entire game.
You would think. But, 3 of their players play 80+% of all available minutes. Not very deep team.
I felt Penn State was NCAA worthy, based on Pomeroy rating. They are 28 on KenPom. Expect the line to be MU +1 at best.
Quote from: forgetful on March 18, 2018, 05:47:11 PM
Principle of verticality is an emphasis. They ignored it.
They called every touch on our end; ignored it when they reached and grabbed with their pressure.
Can they be called fouls? Yes. Was it called the same way on both ends. No. Did the over active whistles ruin the game. Yes.
NCAA officials are terrible. These were beyond pale.
False. They called it consistently. Take off the blue and gold goggles.
But you won't. You whine EVERY game.
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 18, 2018, 05:42:52 PM
Hausers hip injury has spread to his brain
He's not able to get comfortable and get into a rhythm and it's showing.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 18, 2018, 05:49:01 PM
False. They called it consistently. Take off the blue and gold goggles.
But you won't. You whine EVERY game.
And you defend the refs no matter what. That likely means the reality is in the middle of our viewpoints, which is still...terrible officiating, in this game.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 18, 2018, 05:49:01 PM
False. They called it consistently. Take off the blue and gold goggles.
But you won't. You whine EVERY game.
If 4 hour games are what the NCAA wants, they should just pay refs by the hour. These lads would've been earning triple OT pay!
Quote from: forgetful on March 18, 2018, 05:50:49 PM
And you defend the refs no matter what. That likely means the reality is in the middle of our viewpoints, which is still...terrible officiating, in this game.
The refs called it tight. But they were consistent.
And I'm right about that.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 18, 2018, 05:49:01 PM
False. They called it consistently. Take off the blue and gold goggles.
But you won't. You whine EVERY game.
False. It was pretty horribly reffed.
You defend the refs EVERY game.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 18, 2018, 05:53:50 PM
False. It was pretty horribly reffed.
You defend the refs EVERY game.
+1000....Sultan has never seen a game he thought was poorly reffed.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 18, 2018, 05:53:50 PM
False. It was pretty horribly reffed.
You defend the refs EVERY game.
Because I am correct. Sorry that you can't overcome your biases.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 18, 2018, 05:52:20 PM
And I'm right about that.
If one person in all of the arguments on Scoop would just declare that immediately, we'd have a lot shorter, less mind numbingly inane threads
Quote from: #bansultan on March 18, 2018, 05:52:20 PM
The refs called it tight. But they were consistent.
And I'm right about that.
Consistent. You
may be right about that part.
But horrible. You're wrong about that.
Quote from: muguru on March 18, 2018, 05:54:51 PM
+1000....Sultan has never seen a game he thought was poorly reffed.
Oh this was poor. But it was consistent. And that's what the NCAA wants. They don't want movement restricted. So this is what you get.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 18, 2018, 05:57:07 PM
Oh this was poor. But it was consistent. And that's what the NCAA wants. They don't want movement restricted. So this is what you get.
Well it's been what, 4 years since that change and hardly any team has adjusted.
Worst rule change to happen to college basketball.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 18, 2018, 05:57:07 PM
And that's what the NCAA wants.
That's not at all what the NCAA wants.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 18, 2018, 05:57:07 PM
Oh this was poor. But it was consistent. And that's what the NCAA wants. They don't want movement restricted. So this is what you get.
I agree. 50 fouls called. 29-21. FAvor of Oregon. Today the refs bought in too much to the freedom of movement concept. Way to quick with the whistle on touch fouls for both teams.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 18, 2018, 05:48:55 PM
You would think. But, 3 of their players play 80+% of all available minutes. Not very deep team.
I felt Penn State was NCAA worthy, based on Pomeroy rating. They are 28 on KenPom. Expect the line to be MU +1 at best.
Interesting, thanks for pointing that out.
I wonder why PSU's KenPom is dramatically better than their RPI? They had some brutal losses, notably losing to Wisconsin, Rider, and Minnesota at home among others. And their entire resume is built on somehow going 3-0 against Ohio State; they only had a total of 3 other RPI top 100 wins. I guess a lot of it might have to do with KP being higher on Ohio State than RPI.
IMO, they definitely should not have been in the tournament, regardless of KP. Their resume is pretty significantly weaker than ours. That said, I expect it to be a much closer game.
I'm confused, did we win this game? I'm all for complaining about officiating, but it wasnt egregious in either direction.
That said, I concede we probably don't win this game if the fouls didn't reset each quarter.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 18, 2018, 06:13:02 PM
I'm confused, did we win this game?
Partially my fault sorry - Sultan will always defend refs and I just shouldn't engage.
Anyhow. MU is going to be 1 of 24 teams still standing in the NCAA and NIT. 76 will have fallen. Go Warriors!
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 18, 2018, 06:08:55 PM
I agree. 50 fouls called. 29-21. FAvor of Oregon. Today the refs bought in too much to the freedom of movement concept. Way to quick with the whistle on touch fouls for both teams.
Agree. I'm just hoping that if they want this trend to continue (which it seems they do), that they consider increasing the foul limit. I think that's only fair. Teams shouldn't have to be totally screwed just because they got to OT.
Quote from: yetipro on March 18, 2018, 06:12:00 PM
Interesting, thanks for pointing that out.
I wonder why PSU's KenPom is dramatically better than their RPI? They had some brutal losses, notably losing to Wisconsin, Rider, and Minnesota at home among others. And their entire resume is built on somehow going 3-0 against Ohio State; they only had a total of 3 other RPI top 100 wins. I guess a lot of it might have to do with KP being higher on Ohio State than RPI.
IMO, they definitely should not have been in the tournament, regardless of KP. Their resume is pretty significantly weaker than ours. That said, I expect it to be a much closer game.
The RPI is stupid.
As for KenPom, a factor at play is margin of victory/loss... they lost only 2 regulation games by double digits. (As a comp, MU has done so 7 times this year).
Nonetheless, PSU had a favorable conference sked and they are not an impressive team. We could have trouble with Carr.. (Sacar?)... toss up game. Hit our treys and we've got a great chance to win.. we'll probably will be slight favorites.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 18, 2018, 06:20:47 PM
The RPI is stupid.
As for KenPom, a factor at play is margin of victory/loss... they lost only 2 regulation games by double digits. (As a comp, MU has done so 7 times this year).
Nonetheless, PSU had a favorable conference sked and they are not an impressive team. We could have trouble with Carr.. (Sacar?)... toss up game. Hit our treys and we've got a great chance to win.. we'll probably will be slight favorites.
Good info. Pomeroy just posted forecast for the game, just as I thought - MU favored by 1. 77-76.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 18, 2018, 06:20:47 PM
The RPI is stupid.
As for KenPom, a factor at play is margin of victory/loss... they lost only 2 regulation games by double digits. (As a comp, MU has done so 7 times this year).
Nonetheless, PSU had a favorable conference sked and they are not an impressive team. We could have trouble with Carr.. (Sacar?)... toss up game. Hit our treys and we've got a great chance to win.. we'll probably will be slight favorites.
Strong analysis.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 18, 2018, 05:32:32 PM
#FakeNews
His 15.4% TO rate is very good.
Whats his turnover rate as the primary ball handler when rowsey is not in the game?? Shockingly bad, i guarantee. Led the team in turnovers and didnt play much n didnt handle the ball much either. Kids a nice 2 guard that doesnt show much defensive energy unless hes making shots. However, anything near a PG he is not soft passes, passes nit on target and little to no pivoting or pass faking. At least the coaching staff knows the qualities needed to be a lead
guard f they dont sugn a solid ball handler to lead the offense MU will struggle mightly and it might ultimately cost Wojo his job.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 18, 2018, 06:33:37 PM
Whats his turnover rate as the primary ball handler when rowsey is not in the game?? Shockingly bad, i guarantee. Led the team in turnovers and didnt play much n didnt handle the ball much either. Kids a nice 2 guard that doesnt show much defensive energy unless hes making shots. However, anything near a PG he is not soft passes, passes nit on target and little to no pivoting or pass faking. At least the coaching staff knows the qualities needed to be a lead
guard f they dont sugn a solid ball handler to lead the offense MU will struggle mightly and it might ultimately cost Wojo his job.
We didn't have a solid primary ball handler this season and we nearly made the tourney. What makes you think we will be so much worse next year? All the young guys get a year older and we add Morrow, another Hauser, Bailey, Eke, and potentially others. In the doomsday scenario where we don't add a PG I think the team could still execute as they did this year.
Seriously, if you go back and look at why we lost most of our games this year, it was because we didn't make our shots. Rowsey and/or Markus had some games where they turned it over a lot, but I wouldn't say that was a primary reason for our losing.
Quote from: yetipro on March 18, 2018, 06:49:41 PM
We didn't have a solid primary ball handler this season and we nearly made the tourney. What makes you think we will be so much worse next year? All the young guys get a year older and we add Morrow, another Hauser, Bailey, Eke, and potentially others. In the doomsday scenario where we don't add a PG I think the team could still execute as they did this year.
Seriously, if you go back and look at why we lost most of our games this year, it was because we didn't make our shots. Rowsey and/or Markus had some games where they turned it over a lot, but I wouldn't say that was a primary reason for our losing.
The ither issue with howard as a pg is his horrible defense ... again put anyother starting PG except for mintz n the GTown kid n mu is dancing this year. And howard is a step down from rowsey with the ball. Lordy lordy i hope wojo can find a guy and greg can back him up. I really want mu to be good next year and howard woukd be disastrous.
Good game, high scoring, just what I said it would be
Here is a little hint. MU is in the NIT and all the good refs are in the Big Dance. Matt Morales it is.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 18, 2018, 08:07:09 PM
Here is a little hint. MU is in the NIT and all the good refs are in the Big Dance. Matt Morales it is.
That should improve on Tues, no?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 18, 2018, 08:11:20 PM
That should improve on Tues, no?
Not sure when the grades and assignments go out after tonight's NCAA games but I am guessing it will only improve in NYC.
One thing with the refs today that drove me crazy was the travelling. They consistently didn't call it on both sides but there was a lot of happy feet this game. So many pivot feet picked up