There are a lot of players that we will never see again after this season, especially guys that always made you think "he's still there?!?" I thought that was thread-worthy. Going to wait until seasons are done to talk about teams. First up, Seton Hall.
Seton Hall: Angel Delgado, Khadeen Carrington, Desi Rodriguez, Ish Sanogo
I know Whitehead left long ago, but I'm happy to see these guys go and will still miss them. Delgado has been one of the most consistent physical presences in college basketball in awhile. Carrington and Rodriguez were both reliable scorers while Sanogo gave size and this past year a knack for hitting threes against Marquette.
That said, was this a massive bunch of underachievers? After winning the Big East Tournament as sophomores, it seemed big things were coming. Instead they went 10-8 twice in league, 1-2 in BET games, and 1-3 in NCAA games.
Incredible senior class that SHU fans will miss, but also wonder why they didn't accomplish more.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 17, 2018, 09:21:45 PM
There are a lot of players that we will never see again after this season, especially guys that always made you think "he's still there?!?" I thought that was thread-worthy. Going to wait until seasons are done to talk about teams. First up, Seton Hall.
Seton Hall: Angel Delgado, Khadeen Carrington, Desi Rodriguez, Ish Sanogo
I know Whitehead left long ago, but I'm happy to see these guys go and will still miss them. Delgado has been one of the most consistent physical presences in college basketball in awhile. Carrington and Rodriguez were both reliable scorers while Sanogo gave size and this past year a knack for hitting threes against Marquette.
That said, was this a massive bunch of underachievers? After winning the Big East Tournament as sophomores, it seemed big things were coming. Instead they went 10-8 twice in league, 1-2 in BET games, and 1-3 in NCAA games.
Incredible senior class that SHU fans will miss, but also wonder why they didn't accomplish more.
Kevin Willard is their coach.
Yeah, coulda, woulda, shoulda.
They gave Kansas a great game (in Kansas) and gave a good accounting of themselves and the BE.
Providence: Rodney Bullock, Kyron Cartwright, Jalen Lindsay
Bullock and Cartwright were stars while Lindsay was the glue guy that never missed an open three. Feels like Bullock has been there forever, though he only played three years. Cartwright is just the next Cooley PG. Cooley always has a ridiculously productive point. I'm sure he'll have one next year (Ashton-Langford seems like) too.
For me, these guys epitomize Cooley at PC so far. Always solid, rarely spectacular. They did get the first PC win in Milwaukee, but I don't feel they'll really stand out much in memory 5-10 years from now.
Quote from: JoeSmith1721 on March 17, 2018, 09:24:46 PM
Kevin Willard is their coach.
Agreed completely. I will be interested to see SHU in 2-3 years. I could see Willard getting fired because I don't think he can maintain what this class did.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 17, 2018, 09:21:45 PM
There are a lot of players that we will never see again after this season, especially guys that always made you think "he's still there?!?" I thought that was thread-worthy. Going to wait until seasons are done to talk about teams. First up, Seton Hall.
Seton Hall: Angel Delgado, Khadeen Carrington, Desi Rodriguez, Ish Sanogo
I know Whitehead left long ago, but I'm happy to see these guys go and will still miss them. Delgado has been one of the most consistent physical presences in college basketball in awhile. Carrington and Rodriguez were both reliable scorers while Sanogo gave size and this past year a knack for hitting threes against Marquette.
That said, was this a massive bunch of underachievers? After winning the Big East Tournament as sophomores, it seemed big things were coming. Instead they went 10-8 twice in league, 1-2 in BET games, and 1-3 in NCAA games.
Incredible senior class that SHU fans will miss, but also wonder why they didn't accomplish more.
Yes, Delgado was and is a Beast. Won't miss him though.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 17, 2018, 09:32:01 PM
Providence: Rodney Bullock, Kyron Cartwright, Jalen Lindsay
Bullock and Cartwright were stars while Lindsay was the glue guy that never missed an open three. Feels like Bullock has been there forever, though he only played three years. Cartwright is just the next Cooley PG. Cooley always has a ridiculously productive point. I'm sure he'll have one next year (Ashton-Langford seems like) too.
For me, these guys epitomize Cooley at PC so far. Always solid, rarely spectacular. They did get the first PC win in Milwaukee, but I don't feel they'll really stand out much in memory 5-10 years from now.
Cooley's got a top 40 PG in David Duke next year to replace Cartwright.
Quote from: nyg on March 18, 2018, 09:05:24 AM
Cooley's got a top 40 PG in David Duke next year to replace Cartwright.
Well that's an unfortunate name.
I wish Desi could stay forever.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 17, 2018, 09:35:43 PM
Agreed completely. I will be interested to see SHU in 2-3 years. I could see Willard getting fired because I don't think he can maintain what this class did.
Kind of agree with you. Though, SHU will be more outside oriented than with the current group which was more inside oriented because of Delgado's skills. Will be interesting to see how this story plays out.
Besides Seton Hall and Providence mentioned previously:
Butler: Martin (thanks goodness)
Wideman
Creighton: Foster
Hegner
Thomas (draft)
Depaul: McCallum
Maric
St Johns: Lovett (gone)
Owens (gone)
Ahmed
Alibegovic
Ponds (draft) I doubt it though
Nova: Brunson (draft)
Bridges (draft)
Xavier: Bluiett
O'Mara
Macura
Kanter
Lots of talent above and enjoyed watching them over the years.
Quote from: nyg on March 18, 2018, 09:53:07 AM
Besides Seton Hall and Providence mentioned previously:
Butler: Martin (thanks goodness)
Wideman
Creighton: Foster
Hegner
Thomas (draft)
Depaul: McCallum
Maric
St Johns: Lovett (gone)
Owens (gone)
Ahmed
Alibegovic
Ponds (draft) I doubt it though
Nova: Brunson (draft)
Bridges (draft)
Xavier: Bluiett
O'Mara
Macura
Kanter
Lots of talent above and enjoyed watching them over the years.
has Brunson made it official that he is not coming back?
Creighton: Marcus Foster & Toby Hegner
Khyri Thomas could join them if he declares for the draft. It will be interesting to see how this impacts Creighton. Foster is a scoring beast, but I feel they have a number of other options that will pick up the slack pretty well, and Jacob Epperson seems like he will be ready to step in for Hegner next year. They may take a slight step back, but still look like a middle-of-the-league type team. If Thomas goes, they probably take a bigger step back. I do think they'll be okay with Davion Mintz and Ty-Shon Alexander in the backcourt, though.
The most amazing thing about Delgado was that he rarely fouled.
Amazingly, Delgado is the high water mark for THE TERROR!!!!
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 17, 2018, 09:21:45 PM
There are a lot of players that we will never see again after this season, especially guys that always made you think "he's still there?!?" I thought that was thread-worthy. Going to wait until seasons are done to talk about teams. First up, Seton Hall.
Seton Hall: Angel Delgado, Khadeen Carrington, Desi Rodriguez, Ish Sanogo
I know Whitehead left long ago, but I'm happy to see these guys go and will still miss them. Delgado has been one of the most consistent physical presences in college basketball in awhile. Carrington and Rodriguez were both reliable scorers while Sanogo gave size and this past year a knack for hitting threes against Marquette.
That said, was this a massive bunch of underachievers? After winning the Big East Tournament as sophomores, it seemed big things were coming. Instead they went 10-8 twice in league, 1-2 in BET games, and 1-3 in NCAA games.
Incredible senior class that SHU fans will miss, but also wonder why they didn't accomplish more.
Certainly underachieved, but I think that is more the fault of Willard failing to recruit depth behind them. Never had any help off the bench and always seemed gassed as games wore on.
I won't miss a single one of these guys...glad they will be leaving..MU better capitalize on all the talent leaving the conference next year. No excuses.
The opportunity will certainly be there for the taking.
Some great players that I will miss watching, but certainly not against MU! But new ones will emerge as they always do.
X loses another
Gates gone
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on May 07, 2018, 02:12:03 PM
X loses another
Gates gone
Ok, that just makes no sense.
I sorta get it when a raw freshman leaves after posting numbers like 7.2 and 4.5, but those numbers as a junior?
Hope he likes really authentic Chinese food.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on May 07, 2018, 04:49:26 PM
Ok, that just makes no sense.
I sorta get it when a raw freshman leaves after posting numbers like 7.2 and 4.5, but those numbers as a junior?
Hope he likes really authentic Chinese food.
He didn't declare for the draft so he knows he's heading overseas
Quote from: TAMU McEwen on May 07, 2018, 05:02:14 PM
He didn't declare for the draft so he knows he's heading overseas
Makes a little more sense, but he still might end up wishing he had a degree if he doesn't make it in one of the top tier Euro leagues. And those are often filled with ex-NBA players or guys who didn't quite have what they needed make the NBA. The latter would include guys like Dominic or Jerel, both of whom had
much better numbers than Gates.
Anyhoo, only he knows what he's looking for. I wish him the best...
At least one source reportingOmari Spellman will make it official and hire an agent:
Quote from: @PhillyReasonSources: Omari Spellman will forego his final three years of eligibility at Villanova and will remain in the NBA draft and hire an agent. @CrossingBroad #Villanova #philly #NBADraft2018
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 17, 2018, 09:21:45 PM
There are a lot of players that we will never see again after this season, especially guys that always made you think "he's still there?!?" I thought that was thread-worthy. Going to wait until seasons are done to talk about teams. First up, Seton Hall.
Seton Hall: Angel Delgado, Khadeen Carrington, Desi Rodriguez, Ish Sanogo
I know Whitehead left long ago, but I'm happy to see these guys go and will still miss them. Delgado has been one of the most consistent physical presences in college basketball in awhile. Carrington and Rodriguez were both reliable scorers while Sanogo gave size and this past year a knack for hitting threes against Marquette.
That said, was this a massive bunch of underachievers? After winning the Big East Tournament as sophomores, it seemed big things were coming. Instead they went 10-8 twice in league, 1-2 in BET games, and 1-3 in NCAA games.
Incredible senior class that SHU fans will miss, but also wonder why they didn't accomplish more.
Reminded me of many of Creans teams, agree with others, it boils down to the coach. Willard is average as is Crean. Good coaches would have done much more
Not normally an off-season scooper...but this thread interesting.
Since the new BE, have been concerned the conference not have down years and lose the top conference reputation. Can the 10 teams stay consistently good. Does the BE retain an NBA presence? can teams reload?.
I know the NBA thing is a bit unfair...the BE, by nature is not a one-n-done conference.
MU will be good and I know Nova has the coach...but when I see those names above, the BE is losing a lot of talent...hope we can hold our own as a conference next year. How many top 50 teams will we have by March of 2019?
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 08, 2018, 06:48:15 AM
At least one source reportingOmari Spellman will make it official and hire an agent:
Is PhillyReason related to PhillyCoach?
Quote from: MUBigDance on May 08, 2018, 07:55:20 AM
Not normally an off-season scooper...but this thread interesting.
Since the new BE, have been concerned the conference not have down years and lose the top conference reputation. Can the 10 teams stay consistently good. Does the BE retain an NBA presence? can teams reload?.
I know the NBA thing is a bit unfair...the BE, by nature is not a one-n-done conference.
MU will be good and I know Nova has the coach...but when I see those names above, the BE is losing a lot of talent...hope we can hold our own as a conference next year. How many top 50 teams will we have by March of 2019?
As things currently stand, I see 7 top 50 teams in the Big East next season. Unfortunately, 5 of those are closer to 50 than to 1 and 3 or 4 of them might end up between 40-50
Quote from: PTM + Chartouny = Us on May 08, 2018, 08:01:33 AM
Is PhillyReason related to PhillyCoach?
Not sure how reliable they are. Looks like a blog that covers all Philly sports.
Quote from: MUBigDance on May 08, 2018, 07:55:20 AM
Not normally an off-season scooper...but this thread interesting.
Since the new BE, have been concerned the conference not have down years and lose the top conference reputation. Can the 10 teams stay consistently good. Does the BE retain an NBA presence? can teams reload?.
I know the NBA thing is a bit unfair...the BE, by nature is not a one-n-done conference.
MU will be good and I know Nova has the coach...but when I see those names above, the BE is losing a lot of talent...hope we can hold our own as a conference next year. How many top 50 teams will we have by March of 2019?
Luckily Wojo has us in position to take full advantage of the slight downturn in competition in a crazy competitive league. If Spellman & DD indeed hire agents and Nova takes a modest dip, we could be in position to put a stranglehold on the league for a nice multi-year run starting as early as this year possibly.
Cremo to Villanova
Quote from: KampusFoods on May 08, 2018, 10:04:36 AM
Cremo to Villanova
Rich get richer. Early candidate to take Macura's place as most hated Big East opponent.
Quote from: TAMU McEwen on May 08, 2018, 10:09:57 AM
Rich get richer. Early candidate to take Macura's place as most hated Big East opponent.
Interested to see if Wright can turn a poor defender into a good one with a short turnaround. Also wonder if it means DD out
Scary thought, if DD and OS come back, that would probably mean that Cremo would come off the bench for Villanova. One of the the top 2 grad transfers on the market this year would be a bench player for them. Wright has built a scary good program.
Quote from: PTM + Chartouny = Us on May 08, 2018, 08:01:33 AM
Is PhillyReason related to PhillyCoach?
PhillyReason is the logical half, perhaps?
Quote from: ZiggysWhiteWineBoy on May 08, 2018, 10:50:33 AM
PhillyReason is the logical half, perhaps?
Terry Reason lives in Philadelphia now?
Quote from: ZiggysWhiteWineBoy on May 08, 2018, 10:50:33 AM
PhillyReason is the logical half, perhaps?
It's a much better twitter follow than PhillyEmotion.
You try to tweet at that guy and he always ends up screaming incoherently and throwing batteries at you.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on May 08, 2018, 07:36:33 AM
Reminded me of many of Creans teams, agree with others, it boils down to the coach. Willard is average as is Crean. Good coaches would have done much more
Hard to say on Willard. You do feel like bigger things should have happened to Seton Hall. That said, SH has not done anything for 15 years before Willard.
Quote from: barfolomew on May 08, 2018, 11:47:28 AM
It's a much better twitter follow than PhillyEmotion.
You try to tweet at that guy and he always ends up screaming incoherently and throwing batteries at you.
#PhillyEmotionforPresident
Quote from: TAMU McEwen on May 08, 2018, 08:12:57 AM
As things currently stand, I see 7 top 50 teams in the Big East next season. Unfortunately, 5 of those are closer to 50 than to 1 and 3 or 4 of them might end up between 40-50
you probably know more than me...but that feels a bit too optimistic. Hope you're right. I'm fine with MU though...on the rise. Pieces in place.
Quote from: barfolomew on May 08, 2018, 11:47:28 AM
It's a much better twitter follow than PhillyEmotion.
You try to tweet at that guy and he always ends up screaming incoherently and throwing batteries at you.
nah, PhillyEmotion, PhillyReason and PhillyCoach will all throw batteries at you. in snow balls. it's a Philly thing.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on May 08, 2018, 11:30:01 AM
Terry Reason lives in Philadelphia now?
He doesn't but his hair reaches there.
Quote from: MUBigDance on May 08, 2018, 07:55:20 AM
Not normally an off-season scooper...but this thread interesting.
Since the new BE, have been concerned the conference not have down years and lose the top conference reputation. Can the 10 teams stay consistently good. Does the BE retain an NBA presence? can teams reload?.
I know the NBA thing is a bit unfair...the BE, by nature is not a one-n-done conference.
MU will be good and I know Nova has the coach...but when I see those names above, the BE is losing a lot of talent...hope we can hold our own as a conference next year. How many top 50 teams will we have by March of 2019?
Big East is losing talent, but all the teams are also bringing in good talent both freshman and transfers. For the most part the league has very good coaches and I expect they will have their teams ready to respond to the challenge. We may see MU and Georgetown among the league leaders which hasn't been the case since inception of this version of the league.
Quote from: ZiggysWhiteWineBoy on May 08, 2018, 10:02:55 PM
nah, PhillyEmotion, PhillyReason and PhillyCoach will all throw batteries at you. in snow balls. it's a Philly thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh2DwRkLIQE
FYI for those of you who don't understand the full story...
Thomas has hired an agent won't return to Jays
Quote from: Newsdreams Likes Chardonnay on May 13, 2018, 02:44:36 PM
Thomas has hired an agent won't return to Jays
Think that pretty much solidifies a top 3 finish in the Big East for us (on paper)
https://twitter.com/PaintTouches/status/996024309817757696 (https://twitter.com/PaintTouches/status/996024309817757696)
Saint John's losing another player to transfer. Boubacar Diakite, he pulled a Joey Hauser and enrolled at Saint John's early and redshirtted. Was a three star recruit coming out of high school.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think there's something smelly in MullinLand. They've had a few odd and surprising transfers and decommits since he took over. Assuming Diakite is made to sit a year, this will be the second year in a row that a freshman has opted to transfer and sit out a year before starting their career at St. John's. Sid Wilson was the recruit last season.
Quote from: TAMU McEwen on May 18, 2018, 01:49:25 PMI've said it before and I'll say it again, I think there's something smelly in MullinLand.
I agree. St John's Twitter went crazy when I suggested something was wrong, but they are essentially rebooting every year. I don't know how long losing half your roster can be sustainable.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 18, 2018, 01:53:57 PM
I agree. St John's Twitter went crazy when I suggested something was wrong, but they are essentially rebooting every year. I don't know how long losing half your roster can be sustainable.
And it's not like they're making real progress and dumping kids that can't play. Sure, Ponds is outstanding but.....
In contrast, didn't old Patrick seem to overperform last year? I thought he was going to be terrible and now I think I was wrong.
Quote from: jsglow on May 18, 2018, 02:11:31 PM
And it's not like they're making real progress and dumping kids that can't play. Sure, Ponds is outstanding but.....
In contrast, didn't old Patrick seem to overperform last year? I thought he was going to be terrible and now I think I was wrong.
Meh, Georgetown finished 94th in KenPom which I think it about where most services though they would end up. Their record looked pretty because they beat 7 sub 300 teams. Beating Seton Hall at home and winning at Butler were nice wins but the rest of their season was real ugly. Should be better this season doe.
Lots of talking heads going on about how Spellman and DD were the two most impressive players at Day 1 of the combine. If both of them go, the Big East will be facing one of the biggest talent sucks in recent high major history. If Ponds, Govan, and Strus go on top of that....Big East will be wide open next season.
Quote from: TAMU McEwen on May 18, 2018, 02:23:11 PM
Lots of talking heads going on about how Spellman and DD were the two most impressive players at Day 1 of the combine. If both of them go, the Big East will be facing one of the biggest talent sucks in recent high major history. If Ponds, Govan, and Strus go on top of that....Big East will be wide open next season.
Seriously, I mean having 2 kids on the preseason First Team might be pretty sweet.
Quote from: TAMU McEwen on May 18, 2018, 02:23:11 PM
Lots of talking heads going on about how Spellman and DD were the two most impressive players at Day 1 of the combine. If both of them go, the Big East will be facing one of the biggest talent sucks in recent high major history. If Ponds, Govan, and Strus go on top of that....Big East will be wide open next season.
Wide open, yes. But also way down.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 18, 2018, 01:53:57 PM
I agree. St John's Twitter went crazy when I suggested something was wrong, but they are essentially rebooting every year. I don't know how long losing half your roster can be sustainable.
Usually hometown fans turn on their coach and such. Outsiders say give it time.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on May 18, 2018, 05:55:53 PM
Usually hometown fans turn on their coach and suck. Outsiders say give it time.
I think Mullin was always risky because he will be hard to fire. Management won't want to fire their golden boy, fans won't want to say goodbye to their hero. They are circling the wagons despite some really concerning signs.
Quote from: TAMU McEwen on May 18, 2018, 02:23:11 PM
Lots of talking heads going on about how Spellman and DD were the two most impressive players at Day 1 of the combine. If both of them go, the Big East will be facing one of the biggest talent sucks in recent high major history. If Ponds, Govan, and Strus go on top of that....Big East will be wide open next season.
Spellman forsure gone
And unless DD completely tanks 5 on 5 he's gone too.
42 inch vert was impressive
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on May 18, 2018, 09:37:18 PM
Spellman forsure gone
And unless DD completely tanks 5 on 5 he's gone too.
42 inch vert was impressive
I have the same inklings, though I've been wrong before. Was really surprised Ponds didn't get a combine invite.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 18, 2018, 07:26:20 PM
I think Mullin was always risky because he will be hard to fire. Management won't want to fire their golden boy, fans won't want to say goodbye to their hero. They are circling the wagons despite some really concerning signs.
I wasn't old enough at the time to realize if this was indeed the case but Bart Starr came to mind when I read this.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on May 18, 2018, 09:37:18 PM
Spellman forsure gone
And unless DD completely tanks 5 on 5 he's gone too.
42 inch vert was impressive
watched the NBA draft combine on.nba tv last night. The announcers said he was one of the most impressive in 5 on 5. Hit a high percentage of his 3's. They even joked he should sit out day 2. To quote e someone on here...he gowne
Quote from: TAMU McEwen on May 18, 2018, 01:49:25 PM
Saint John's losing another player to transfer. Boubacar Diakite, he pulled a Joey Hauser and enrolled at Saint John's early and redshirtted. Was a three star recruit coming out of high school.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think there's something smelly in MullinLand. They've had a few odd and surprising transfers and decommits since he took over. Assuming Diakite is made to sit a year, this will be the second year in a row that a freshman has opted to transfer and sit out a year before starting their career at St. John's. Sid Wilson was the recruit last season.
Set forth below is a link to a research report that details the current state of the Johnnies roster.
https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2018/5/18/17369342/boubacar-diakite-transfer-st-johns
Govan announces that he is coming back. I don't think Georgetown is a tournament team next season, but I think they surprise some people. Could see them in the NIT.
Quote from: TAMU McEwen on May 25, 2018, 06:07:16 PM
Govan announces that he is coming back. I don't think Georgetown is a tournament team next season, but I think they surprise some people. Could see them in the NIT.
Agreed. Young but deep in the backcourt and Govan insures they still have a go to big man.
Quote from: TAMU McEwen on May 18, 2018, 01:49:25 PM
Saint John's losing another player to transfer. Boubacar Diakite, he pulled a Joey Hauser and enrolled at Saint John's early and redshirtted. Was a three star recruit coming out of high school.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think there's something smelly in MullinLand. They've had a few odd and surprising transfers and decommits since he took over. Assuming Diakite is made to sit a year, this will be the second year in a row that a freshman has opted to transfer and sit out a year before starting their career at St. John's. Sid Wilson was the recruit last season.
Diakite's knee injury was more serious than originally thought. He was a reach as a BE difference maker at the start, now he's MAAC at best. Mutual decision, best for all parties.
Wilson's departure is on of the things UConn will use to rebut Ollie's lawsuit.
MU has had multiple players leave before playing a game too.....during the year too. You might want to smell yourself first before claiming there is a gas leak.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 28, 2018, 07:24:21 PM
Diakite's knee injury was more serious than originally thought. He was a reach as a BE difference maker at the start, now he's MAAC at best. Mutual decision, best for all parties.
Wilson's departure is on of the things UConn will use to rebut Ollie's lawsuit.
MU has had multiple players leave before playing a game too.....during the year too. You might want to smell yourself first before claiming there is a gas leak.
Well done.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 28, 2018, 07:24:21 PMMU has had multiple players leave before playing a game too.....during the year too. You might want to smell yourself first before claiming there is a gas leak.
The obvious difference being that this is happening to Mullin in year 4 with no real explanation. If he was bringing in undeniable talents, like Henry Ellenson while Gabe Levin was biding his time, you'd be right. Or if those midseason transfers were focal points of the offense like Marcus Lovett, but they aren't.
I think it's pretty obvious something is foul in the state of St Johnmark. It isn't that there are red flags, it's that there are huge red flags dripping gallons of blood while simultaneously burning with acrid smoke that has blotted out the sun.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 28, 2018, 07:24:21 PM
Diakite's knee injury was more serious than originally thought. He was a reach as a BE difference maker at the start, now he's MAAC at best. Mutual decision, best for all parties.
Wilson's departure is on of the things UConn will use to rebut Ollie's lawsuit.
MU has had multiple players leave before playing a game too.....during the year too. You might want to smell yourself first before claiming there is a gas leak.
Just sniffed, lemony fresh.
Marquette had transfers but the team was getting better. St. John's has had transfers and the team is projected to miss the postseason yet again. And none of Marquette's transfers were as talented as LoVett. Obvious differences.
Quote from: TAMU McEwen on May 28, 2018, 10:08:22 PM
Just sniffed, lemony fresh.
Marquette had transfers but the team was getting better. St. John's has had transfers and the team is projected to miss the postseason yet again. And none of Marquette's transfers were as talented as LoVett. Obvious differences.
Lovett quit the team he did not transfer. He got hurt after the seventh game and did not want to risk injury by coming back. He was also academically ineligible the first year . So he had some issues . St Johns is inherently an unstable program as the school is primarily a commuter school in a mediocre, at best, location. No school spirit etc so if a kids basketball has any hiccups he is quick to leave as there is nothing solid to counterbalance . St Johns has tried to go the foreign player route and that also is inherently unstable. They put time and effort into the Mussolini kid and just as they were getting some value out of him he left to go back to Italy and play on a lower level league. In order for St Johns to compete they need to do what Seton Hall did and get one great class and somehow hold on to most of them . Easier said than done.
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 28, 2018, 10:58:23 PM
Lovett quit the team he did not transfer. He got hurt after the seventh game and did not want to risk injury by coming back. He was also academically ineligible the first year . So he had some issues . St Johns is inherently an unstable program as the school is primarily a commuter school in a mediocre, at best, location. No school spirit etc so if a kids basketball has any hiccups he is quick to leave as there is nothing solid to counterbalance . St Johns has tried to go the foreign player route and that also is inherently unstable. They put time and effort into the Mussolini kid and just as they were getting some value out of him he left to go back to Italy and play on a lower level league. In order for St Johns to compete they need to do what Seton Hall did and get one great class and somehow hold on to most of them . Easier said than done.
You are correct, LoVett did not transfer, poor phrasing on my part.
The rest of you post seems to support my hypothesis that something is smelly in MullinLand.
Any word on Happ? I would still be surprised if he stays in, but I would have though he'd announce his decision by now.
Quote from: Its DJOver on May 29, 2018, 09:11:40 AM
Any word on Happ? I would still be surprised if he stays in, but I would have though he'd announce his decision by now.
No word, I would also be surprised if he stayed in. Not all players feel the need to make an announcement.
Quote from: TAMU McEwen on May 29, 2018, 09:42:01 AM
No word, I would also be surprised if he stayed in. Not all players feel the need to make an announcement.
No where near deadline yet
Why bail early???
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on May 29, 2018, 09:48:20 AM
No where near deadline yet
Why bail early???
Isn't the deadline tomorrow?
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on May 29, 2018, 09:48:20 AM
No where near deadline yet
Why bail early???
Deadline to return to college is tomorrow. Which can be confusing since there is another later withdrawal date. You just can't return to college, so the later date is most applicable to foreign prospects.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on May 29, 2018, 09:58:52 AM
Isn't the deadline tomorrow?
To return to college, yes. Lots of announcements have come in today, mostly players returning. Most interesting report has been Mustapha Heron. Supposedly he is going to return to college but transfer from Auburn. Would easily be the best player to hit the transfer market this year. Possibly the best player to hit the transfer market in several years.
Quote from: TAMU McEwen on May 29, 2018, 10:26:42 AM
To return to college, yes. Lots of announcements have come in today, mostly players returning. Most interesting report has been Mustapha Heron. Supposedly he is going to return to college but transfer from Auburn. Would easily be the best player to hit the transfer market this year. Possibly the best player to hit the transfer market in several years.
Saw that. Will be interesting to see where he lands. Surprised he is OK taking a year off.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on May 29, 2018, 10:35:27 AM
Saw that. Will be interesting to see where he lands. Surprised he is OK taking a year off.
Going after the hardship waiver
Uconn probably the front runners
http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/05/29/auburns-mustapha-heron-to-withdraw-from-nba-draft-transfer-closer-to-home/
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on May 29, 2018, 11:17:31 AM
Going after the hardship waiver
Uconn probably the front runners
Quote from: MuMark on May 29, 2018, 11:18:43 AM
http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/05/29/auburns-mustapha-heron-to-withdraw-from-nba-draft-transfer-closer-to-home/
Reading the story that makes more sense. UConn is an hour away, Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence, Rhode Island, and Boston College are all within two hours as well. His presence could transform any of those programs, turn them into top contenders.
Of course I remember when Charlie Moore transferred from Cal last season in order to be near his sick father IIRC. He's from Chicago and ended up at Kansas....technically closer but still a plane ride away.
Divincenzo NBA-bound. Sweet.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/villanovas-donte-divincenzo-the-final-four-most-outstanding-player-staying-in-the-nba-draft/
Quote from: TAMU McEwen on May 29, 2018, 11:27:11 AM
Reading the story that makes more sense. UConn is an hour away, Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence, Rhode Island, and Boston College are all within two hours as well. His presence could transform any of those programs, turn them into top contenders.
Of course I remember when Charlie Moore transferred from Cal last season in order to be near his sick father IIRC. He's from Chicago and ended up at Kansas....technically closer but still a plane ride away.
The local Connecticut media is reporting he is transferring to UConn.
Ponds returning to St John's per Rothstein.
Juwan Morgan returning to Indiana. Makes the Hooisers one of the toughest teams we will see this season.
Quote from: MuMark on May 29, 2018, 06:11:15 PM
Ponds returning to St John's per Rothstein.
If they get Heron (national media guys seem to think its them or UConn)....and he gets the hardship wavier....then forget everything I said about Saint John's.
Re: Heron, thought the family medical hardship rules were changed ~3 years ago.
Shamorie Ponds will return to St John's for his junior season, per Jon Rothstein. My guess is he'll be Big East preseason Player of the Year.
Not exactly a shock, but Max Strus will return to DePaul.
Here is the current list segmented by staying, going and TBD. MU has a player listed as going pro ;)
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/05/30/2018-nba-draft-early-entry-list-who-declared-who-is-returning-who-are-we-waiting-on/
Not Big East, but Ethan Happ is returning to Wisconsin, per Gery Woelful.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 30, 2018, 11:39:51 AM
Not Big East, but Ethan Happ is returning to Wisconsin, per Gery Woelful.
Can we trust Gery Woelful?
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on May 30, 2018, 11:45:55 AM
Can we trust Gery Woelful?
Well, a few tweets before than one he said that it would be Houston and the Celtics in the NBA Finals.
Villanova loses another, Spellman gone.
Quote from: MrCNote on May 30, 2018, 12:32:48 PM
Villanova loses another, Spellman gone.
I hadn't seen Spellman projected as a 1st rounder in a lot of mocks. Perhaps I'm wrong but that seems like a questionable decision.
Quote from: MrCNote on May 30, 2018, 12:32:48 PM
Villanova loses another, Spellman gone.
Awesome, let's get this!
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 30, 2018, 11:39:51 AM
Not Big East, but Ethan Happ is returning to Wisconsin, per Gery Woelful.
BTN still listing Happ as undecided, per their twitter account just after 3 pm central time.
No one else has confirmed. Woeful being cited in every report.
Hmm...
over the previous two seasons, a total of 47 players stayed in the NBA draft after NOT being invited to the NBA combine.
None of the 47 were drafted.
Your move Ethan Happ.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 30, 2018, 12:40:55 PM
I hadn't seen Spellman projected as a 1st rounder in a lot of mocks. Perhaps I'm wrong but that seems like a questionable decision.
He had to have good input from the people that matta. I think a team will take him.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 30, 2018, 12:40:55 PM
I hadn't seen Spellman projected as a 1st rounder in a lot of mocks. Perhaps I'm wrong but that seems like a questionable decision.
This is true, but that still seems crazy to me. Spellman looks like an NBA player to me. If I was a GM I'd spend a late first round pick on him....of course this might mean that its a good thing that I'm not a GM
Happ is back.
Happ now has an opportunity to lose 3 out of 4 to MU.
Good luck sir!
Quote from: TAMU McEwen on May 30, 2018, 04:35:52 PM
This is true, but that still seems crazy to me. Spellman looks like an NBA player to me. If I was a GM I'd spend a late first round pick on him....of course this might mean that its a good thing that I'm not a GM
Don't sell yourself short! All four nova guys are projected first rounders for the most part. Whether Omari should have stayed or not is debatable but he is definitely a first round talent and worth a flyer in the late first. Crazy high upside as a small ball 5 in the league.
Heron to SJU
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on May 31, 2018, 06:47:55 PM
Heron to SJU
Not worried. He's not good. See his 1 for 1,000,000 in the NCAA tourney vs Texas am or whoever and single handedly wrecked my bracket.
(Teal)
But seriously he was terrible that game of I remember correctly.
Quote from: fjm on May 31, 2018, 06:51:44 PM
Not worried. He's not good. See his 1 for 1,000,000 in the NCAA tourney vs Texas am or whoever and single handedly wrecked my bracket.
(Teal)
But seriously he was terrible that game of I remember correctly.
You took auburn deep? Lol
And he was 3/10 in that game.
Clemson dominated all of auburn.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 31, 2018, 07:56:38 PM
Will he ever play for dem? Valid q
It sounded like he has a solid shot at the waiver
But yeah, who knows
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on May 31, 2018, 08:07:04 PM
It sounded like he has a solid shot at the waiver
But yeah, who knows
Unless there is more to the story, I don't see it. I think the media just doesn't understand this stuff. True, the NCAA will pull some weird waivers out sometimes, but this one wouldn't make any sense. Don't see it. Only thing I've seen as arguments are awful attempts of analogies to Copeland, Miss. FB player, etc. very diff issues. The family hardship was explicitly discussed as a no go going forward
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 31, 2018, 07:56:38 PM
Will he ever play for dem? Valid q
So hes not good enuff for the nba and recognizes it, but is gonna sit out a tear and the go pro??
Dumb q
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 01, 2018, 08:03:48 AM
So hes not good enuff for the nba and recognizes it, but is gonna sit out a tear and the go pro??
Dumb q
Nah, you don't understand what's going on here