Down goes Oklahoma. Wonder how ESPN will spin this loss as a positive for their college crush Trae
Young's game was all over the place. He scored a ton, and he made some really great passes in the second half, but he had long quiet stretches and took some awful shots in OT. Talented but young, I guess. No pun intended.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 15, 2018, 01:42:00 PM
Down goes Oklahoma. Wonder how ESPN will spin this loss as a positive for their college crush Trae
"Trae Young harshly accused of fake offensive fouls, was he done wrong by paid off refs!? More on the crappy 6pm edition of Sportscenter"
"Also we caught up with trae's cousin and you WONT BELIEVE what trae was listening to during his pregame warmup!"
We have reached the point where people are obsessed with ESPN being obsessed.
Quote from: ZaLiN on March 15, 2018, 01:52:52 PM
We have reached the point where people are obsessed with ESPN being obsessed.
It's kind of what they do, though. They pick a horse early on, and ride him until his own fanbase is sick of it.
PPenn and UNCG both hanging around right now. Penn look surprisingly comfortable on the floor with a very good KU team.
Anyone watching the Fast Break stream?
It's similar to the Red Zone channel. I would like it more if they hopped around more. But bball doesn't lend itself to stoppages as much as football
UNCG giving the Zags all they can handle
This high angle feed from the game in Boise looks like it's being shot from a blimp.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 15, 2018, 02:11:46 PM
Anyone watching the Fast Break stream?
It's similar to the Red Zone channel. I would like it more if they hopped around more. But bball doesn't lend itself to stoppages as much as football
I had it on my laptop for a minute, but I'm with you, it didn't switch around as often as I hoped. I've got the tournament app on an amazon fire stick and a roku and noticed the app doesn't offer the fast break option, which is kind of a bummer.
Quote from: Oldgym on March 15, 2018, 02:19:55 PM
This high angle feed from the game in Boise looks like it's being shot from a blimp.
You know Idaho is the Delaware of the Mountain West, bub
Final 4 team gonzaga gonna be out. My bracket stinks
One of the guys from the Penn bench just threw out the BSD celeration after a big 3. Solid move. I've missed that one.
Get those puppies organized and make it a 3instead of a 2 zag!
Well there it is.....
Still ridiculously early but Loyola looks really confident. Custer would not look out of place on a Big East floor.
UNCG with a chance to tie and such a blatant push off that the refs had no choice but to call it. Gonzaga's poor free throw shooting keeping UNCG in it.
Gotta hit dem throws bub!
Quote from: fjm on March 15, 2018, 02:28:39 PM
Final 4 team gonzaga gonna be out. My bracket stinks
Survive and advance
Come on Loyola
The Miami kid just pulled a Markus.
HOLY SH!T
HOLY JUMPIN JESUITS LOYOLAAAAA!!!
Stone cold.
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1gm41itKz1qzd79s.jpg)
Wow Ramblers!
My first upset pick comes through. Go Loyola!!
Missed on that one - congrats to Loyola!
Now if South Dakota State can just climb back to beat tOSU, and Davidson beats UK tonight, I'll have my day 1 upsets....
Quote from: DUNKS45 on March 15, 2018, 04:43:40 PM
My first upset pick comes through. Go Loyola!!
Good to see cheaters choke
I eff'in love the first day of the tournament.
Cmon Jackwabbits!!!
Quote from: MUDish-Hagans Come On Down on March 15, 2018, 04:52:24 PM
I eff'in love the first day of the tournament.
+1 The whole Thursday - Sunday stretch is my version of utopia.
SDSTs coach has a "white nationalist" haircut 💇♂️
Seton Hall winning from the foul line with Delgado fouling out. They could beat Kansas.
Quote from: HelfaerWarrior on March 15, 2018, 04:58:45 PM
SDSTs coach has a "white nationalist" haircut 💇♂️
Knowing their fans... makes sense
Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 15, 2018, 05:56:24 PM
Knowing their fans... makes sense
His hair sucks, but TJO would be near the top of my shortlist at Marquette if we were looking for a coach.
There's gonna be some spanish being spoken in the Villanova gameday chat tonight.
8/8 so far. 9/9 after Nova. Feel dirty cheering for UK lol
Quote from: HelfaerWarrior on March 15, 2018, 04:58:45 PM
SDSTs coach has a "white nationalist" haircut 💇♂️
Just so you know dude, Otz is a Milwaukee native and a fellow 'Man from More', Class of '96. Perhaps you might look him up.
That's cool he should just get a new hairdo
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2018, 05:57:59 PM
His hair sucks, but TJO would be near the top of my shortlist at Marquette if we were looking for a coach.
TJO is from Milwaukee went to Thomas More and played ball at Whitewater
Loyola Congrats,, My My gotta get some Gonnelli Bread!
Quote from: injuryBug on March 15, 2018, 07:18:40 PM
TJO is from Milwaukee went to Thomas More and played ball at Whitewater
Which is a big part of why he would be near the top of my list.
He also is very connected with Midwest AAU programs and proved at ISU he can recruit at the high major level.
McKillop once again not using timeouts when he should. Saved them against Marquette, saved them as Kentucky pulled away.
Quote from: tower912 on March 15, 2018, 08:06:59 PM
McKillop once again not using timeouts when he should. Saved them against Marquette, saved them as Kentucky pulled away.
Is he going to whine after this game too?
Bama in the lead for the all 'fro team.
Rob Grey be lookin like the real trae young boi
Cougars ballin like dem old dogs from Phi!
Quote from: HelfaerWarrior on March 15, 2018, 08:53:21 PM
Rob Grey be lookin like the real trae young boi
You gotta have game to rock a man bun... dude had 39 pts including the game winner
Quote from: skianth16 on March 15, 2018, 02:24:41 PM
I had it on my laptop for a minute, but I'm with you, it didn't switch around as often as I hoped. I've got the tournament app on an amazon fire stick and a roku and noticed the app doesn't offer the fast break option, which is kind of a bummer.
DirecTV has a channel (205) that is a quad screen. Can move between audio feeds without leaving the quad screen. Can zoom in on one game and then easily move back to the quad. Very nice
Bracket was 11/11 until now. Stupid man bun. At least this prevents Buzz from ruining my bracket
Buzz looks like he's put back on that "sweet tea" weight
Kelvin Sampson is a poor man's OJ.
Doood from Arizona just hit the side of the backboard on a wing jumper.
Yikes on the Pac12 bubbi
The end of that SFA vs TTU game was so much fun. That is what March is all about right there. Rob Gray had himself one helluva game, despite that awful man bun.
If anyone's interested, there's a track meet on TNT right now.
Highly entertaining
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 15, 2018, 09:09:37 PM
If anyone's interested, there's a track meet on TNT right now.
Highly entertaining
VPI shooting 78% from 3 (7/9) and only up 3.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 15, 2018, 09:00:35 PM
Buzz looks like he's put back on that "sweet tea" weight
He looks not healthy. Sounds pretty bad too.
Quote from: forgetful on March 15, 2018, 09:10:59 PM
VPI shooting 78% from 3 (7/9) and only up 3.
Buzz is so damn fun to watch.
I'm still perfect so far.
I got Bazz over Bama, and the Bonnies over Florida.
Buzz looks like he had 3 hours of sleep after a sweet 16 old fashions
Anyone ever been in the bonus by the under 16 before?
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 15, 2018, 09:50:01 PM
Anyone ever been in the bonus by the under 16 before?
Yes but I was 17 so it was cool
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 15, 2018, 09:17:41 PM
Buzz is so damn fun to watch.
I prefer to watch a style of play that isn't predicated on being out of control, pure chaos, and praying the refs bail you out.
So nearly an identical play where VPI elbows a Bama player in the face (common foul) and SFA player elbowing a TT player in the face (technical). That play still makes no sense.
What's up with these bad camera angles in Boise
I'm McLovin #22 from buffalo. Doood A dog on D!
MR. CRUTHERS!! Somebody took the last of the PEANUT BRITTLE!!!
Buffalo up 10 on Zona at the under 12.
Very entertaining late games
Pac 12 is terrible
VPI fans start chanting overrated at Sexton, proceeds to hit a turnaround fadeaway jumper.
I wonder if the NCAA specifically underseeded Arizona in order to be able to match them against a good 13-seed.
*Scratches head through tinfoil hat
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 15, 2018, 10:33:43 PM
VPI fans start chanting overrated at Sexton, proceeds to hit a turnaround fadeaway jumper.
Buzz drew up back to back turnovers out of a timeout. Our board would be going nuts if Wojo did that once down the stretch.
And now Bazz with the technical in a 4 point game. This is great.
Buzz never goes away eh?
Zona's body language half way through the second half suggested they were toast (to me at least).
Dumb take by me here, but conferences matter in the tournament. Pac 12 was garbage and obviously it's showing here. I'm biased here, but I firmly believe the Big East was the toughest conference this year.
I think the 3 best bets tomorrow are Providence +2, Creighton -1, and Butler -1.5. If I was betting I'd probably tease the three, but I very much like all three (and X, although not against the number) tomorrow.
Oh wait I went outside to get lung cancer - Buzz got a T?!?!?
Dont mess with happy Bazz lol
Quote from: HelfaerWarrior on March 15, 2018, 10:42:59 PM
Oh wait I went outside to get lung cancer - Buzz got a T?!?!?
Refs made a good call, called a charge and waived off the made bucket by a VPI player...Robinson's 5th. Bazz went off, got the T.
Quote from: HelfaerWarrior on March 15, 2018, 10:42:59 PM
Oh wait I went outside to get lung cancer - Buzz got a T?!?!?
Iffy charge call after everyone in the stadium thought it was a game changing and one. Not sure if buzz went absolutely ballistic.
That will do it for Sean Miller at Arizona I would say.
God Arizona sucks. Almost had a perfect first day if it weren't for them. Luckily I had them getting bounced by Kentucky in the next round.
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on March 15, 2018, 10:46:24 PM
Iffy charge call after everyone in the stadium thought it was a game changing and one. Not sure if buzz went absolutely ballistic.
Looked like a good call to me.
Where's da Pac-12?!?
Quote from: Eldon on March 15, 2018, 10:36:02 PM
I wonder if the NCAA specifically underseeded Arizona in order to be able to match them against a good 13-seed.
*Scratches head through tinfoil hat
Based on how they played, Arizona was over-seeded.
Quote from: forgetful on March 15, 2018, 10:50:44 PM
Based on how they played, Arizona was over-seeded.
Yep. Hard to whine about your seeding when you lose by 21 to a 13 seed....
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 15, 2018, 10:49:53 PM
Looked like a good call to me.
Disagree. VPI player was in the air long before Bama player was set in position. Slid under VPI guy after he was in the air. Was set when VPI guy was on his way down.
Should have been a no call, at worst.
Quote from: forgetful on March 15, 2018, 10:36:10 PM
Buzz drew up back to back turnovers out of a timeout. Our board would be going nuts if Wojo did that once down the stretch.
What tournament was Buzz playing in?
You watch VaTech and Bama game, and you realize we still have a ways to go. Need A LOT more strength and athleticism in the program. Hell of a game.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 15, 2018, 10:53:55 PM
What tournament was Buzz playing in?
You watch VaTech and Bama game, and you realize we still have a ways to go. Need A LOT more strength and athleticism in the program. Hell of a game.
Strength will come with time in the weight room. Young team, after all.
Not sure on athleticism - if it will come or if it's needed. Those WI teams or Butler teams in Final Fours weren't super athletic
Since the formation of the Big 12 in 1996/97, no power conference has ever failed to send a team to the round of 32...until tonight.
Whether Miller is there or not next year, Zona is going to be really really bad next season. It could be a while before Zona is good again (this is independent of any wrong doings).
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 15, 2018, 10:57:19 PM
Strength will come with time in the weight room. Young team, after all.
Not sure on athleticism - if it will come or if it's needed. Those WI teams or Butler teams in Final Fours weren't super athletic
Matt Howard was slow as molasses
Could start another thread about this...
How good is Sean Miller as a head coach? Allegedly got his talent by cheating. Even if he didn't cheat for it, I wouldn't say he's done as expected relative to the talent on his teams.
Quote from: forgetful on March 15, 2018, 10:50:44 PM
Based on how they played, Arizona was over-seeded.
touche
The hick-philosopher poopies the bed tonight 🤷♂️
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 15, 2018, 11:00:06 PM
??
Butler Forward, all NCAA Tournament team. Slow as molasses, but was still a college star. At least I think that is what he meant.
Quote from: forgetful on March 15, 2018, 11:04:21 PM
Butler Forward, all NCAA Tournament team. Slow as molasses, but was still a college star. At least I think that is what he meant.
Yup, one of those players who you never could understand how they were as good as they were.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 15, 2018, 11:06:07 PM
Yup, one of those players who you never could understand how they were as good as they were.
Ha. Couldn't tell if you were talking about the Butler player. Or if you confused Markus and Heldt. Or if you meant they were both slow and had improved their speed/quickness.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 15, 2018, 11:06:07 PM
Yup, one of those players who you never could understand how they were as good as they were.
Which brings up an interesting question. Who would be on your all-time "non-athletic" all tournament team. I think he makes the list, along with:
Adam Morrison?
Who else?
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 15, 2018, 10:53:28 PM
Disagree. VPI player was in the air long before Bama player was set in position. Slid under VPI guy after he was in the air. Was set when VPI guy was on his way down.
Should have been a no call, at worst.
Funny, but I was watching the same play and saw a Bama player planted when the Tech player took off.
Agree to disagree, I guess.
Edit: FWIW, Buzz admits not seeing the play well because he had a towel in his face...and that "someone he trusts" later told him it was a charge.
https://twitter.com/dgulasy_Trib/status/974500793142382592
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 15, 2018, 10:50:19 PM
Where's da Pac-12?!?
At the Al on Sunday getting beat down.
Quote from: forgetful on March 15, 2018, 11:16:34 PM
Which brings up an interesting question. Who would be on your all-time "non-athletic" all tournament team. I think he makes the list, along with:
Adam Morrison?
Who else?
Easiest answer ever...Glen Big Baby Davis.
If your birth name is Duncan, does that mean you must play basketball at Michigan?
Quote from: MUDish-Hagans Come On Down on March 15, 2018, 11:22:44 PM
Easiest answer ever...Glen Big Baby Davis.
Agreed. I'm disappointed in myself for not thinking of him.
Quote from: forgetful on March 15, 2018, 11:16:34 PM
Which brings up an interesting question. Who would be on your all-time "non-athletic" all tournament team. I think he makes the list, along with:
Adam Morrison?
Who else?
Harold Jensen
Jeff Sheppard
Quote from: forgetful on March 15, 2018, 11:16:34 PM
Which brings up an interesting question. Who would be on your all-time "non-athletic" all tournament team. I think he makes the list, along with:
Adam Morrison?
Who else?
Bill Neary ... started for a national champion!
Cadougan could probably run the point for that team. Loved Junior, but he wasn't exactly fleet of foot.
Sean Miller has the inside track on Sports Turkey of the Year.
Zero Final Fours despite talent galore.
Coach of the All-Time O-VER-RA-TED Team?!?!
And he's an effen cheater. Thrilled to see them lose.
CBS LA just reported that the Loyal mascot was a hobo up until like the 60's when the school decided it wasn't "prestigious" enough.
Is this true?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 15, 2018, 11:27:12 PM
Harold Jensen
Jeff Sheppard
Harold is one of my closest friends in the world. We grew up together. I was in Philly with him for this year's game and hung with him last week at the Big East. Believe it or not he can still absolutely light it up.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmer_Fredette
Por de unatletico
Quote from: forgetful on March 15, 2018, 11:16:34 PM
Which brings up an interesting question. Who would be on your all-time "non-athletic" all tournament team. I think he makes the list, along with:
Adam Morrison?
Who else?
Davante
Quote from: MUDish-Hagans Come On Down on March 15, 2018, 10:58:41 PM
Since the formation of the Big 12 in 1996/97, no power conference has ever failed to send a team to the round of 32...until tonight.
Whether Miller is there or not next year, Zona is going to be really really bad next season. It could be a while before Zona is good again (this is independent of any wrong doings).
On top of this embarrassment, the Pac-12 didn't send anyone to the College Football Playoff either.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 15, 2018, 10:37:54 PM
And now Bazz with the technical in a 4 point game. This is great.
LOL. Awesome. Going to Va Tech wasn't a stellar move.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 16, 2018, 08:26:42 AM
On top of this embarrassment, the Pac-12 didn't send anyone to the College Football Playoff either.
The Conference of Champions
TM
Quote from: #bansultan on March 16, 2018, 08:28:33 AM
LOL. Awesome. Going to Va Tech wasn't a stellar move.
But he's getting so much exposure in the ACC. Plus the Big East has been a total disaster like he predicted, so his original analysis was still spot on, a true savant.
Quote from: LAZER on March 16, 2018, 08:42:43 AM
But he's getting so much exposure in the ACC. Plus the Big East has been a total disaster like he predicted, so his original analysis was still spot on, a true savant.
Don't get me wrong. He is still a good enough coach that he could jump up into higher level programs if they have openings, but I don't think Va Tech was the best decision he could have made.
Quote from: We R Hagans to MU on March 15, 2018, 11:21:40 PM
At the Al on Sunday getting beat down.
I don't think we have much room to be overconfident, despite the Pac12's struggles. But, it appears MU getting a high major team out of Pac12 is a much better draw than drawing one from the other Power 5 conferences.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 16, 2018, 08:46:00 AM
Don't get me wrong. He is still a good enough coach that he could jump up into higher level programs if they have openings, but I don't think Va Tech was the best decision he could have made.
Oh I agree. I still can't get over his media tour and justification of the whole thing. Funny that the Mizzou & Tennessee jobs opened immediately after he accepted the VTech job too. He should have a good team coming back next year and I think he might move on after he graduates that class.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 16, 2018, 08:26:42 AM
On top of this embarrassment, the Pac-12 didn't send anyone to the College Football Playoff either.
Pac-12 record in bowl games+NCAA tournament = 1-11.
But they are 4-0 in the NIT.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 16, 2018, 09:06:17 AM
Pac-12 record in bowl games+NCAA tournament = 1-11.
But they are 4-0 in the NIT.
The Conference of Consolations
Quote from: LAZER on March 16, 2018, 09:04:31 AM
Oh I agree. I still can't get over his media tour and justification of the whole thing. Funny that the Mizzou & Tennessee jobs opened immediately after he accepted the VTech job too. He should have a good team coming back next year and I think he might move on after he graduates that class.
Wouldn't be shocked to see him take the Arizona job if offered after Miller gets the heave ho. But yeah, he should have some success with all the returning players next year if he stays at VA Tech, then I'd really be shocked if he doesn't parlay that into whatever big job opens in spring of '19
Quote from: HelfaerWarrior on March 15, 2018, 09:51:17 PM
Yes but I was 17 so it was cool
This did not get the credit it deserved
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 15, 2018, 10:50:19 PM
Where's da Pac-12?!?
some one let Walton know: no conference of champions this yearOthers beat me to it
One thing to definitely note. They are showing these teams starting lineups. I am seeing a LOT (with exception to Kentucky and Duke) of senior, senior, junior, frosh/soph, Junior/senior type lineups.
Quote from: forgetful on March 15, 2018, 11:16:34 PM
Which brings up an interesting question. Who would be on your all-time "non-athletic" all tournament team. I think he makes the list, along with:
Adam Morrison?
Who else?
Tim Kempton, Notre Dame
Bryant "Big Country" Reeves.
Quote from: fjm on March 16, 2018, 10:11:19 AM
One thing to definitely note. They are showing these teams starting lineups. I am seeing a LOT (with exception to Kentucky and Duke) of senior, senior, junior, frosh/soph, Junior/senior type lineups.
Experience wins? Who would have thunk it?
Mid-major coach (X) that is going to be on everyone's wish list became this year's hot coach by taking a few years and crafting a senior class that has taken lumps the previous 3 years but now has 4 experienced seniors and a couple of good underclassmen. And then people are screaming because they cannot duplicate that success.
Your observation is correct - I actually systemized different brackets and the teams with experience at Guard (I give 6 points for a senior PG, 4 for a junior and 2 for a sophomore, and then 3 for a senior SG, 2 for a junior SG and 1 for a sophomore SG and 1 bonus points if one of them is a superstar) is the best method this year. It picked 14 of 16 games.
The only better method was my Scheduler who knows nothing about basketball and told me this morning, "I had never heard of that Seton Hall team so I didn't pick them, but at least I got the other games right." I picked up her bracket and realized, in fact, she was 15-1 yesterday. Awesome!
Here is the more detailed note on day 1
After one day, the system that adjusts for the most experienced guards was the best method - picking 14 of 16 games correctly to land in the 99th percentile. The other big winner was the system that adjusted for the hottest teams, which picked 13 of 16 games correctly to land in the 92.7 percentile.
Three other systems were above average with 12 of 16 correct picks, including the system that adjusts www.kenpom.com based on injuries, the system that picks a worse seed if they are only slightly behind, and the system that goes with the team with the best three Value Add players. However, that last system was incredibly damaged with the Arizona loss, as that was the only of the 9 systems that picked Arizona to win more than one or two games total. That loss is actually good for the other 8 methods because most other people had Arizona winning a number of games.
The other four systems finished just below average with 11 of 16 correct picks (the average national bracket was between 11 and 12 wins). Neither the potential NBA talent or the more experienced tournament coaches did that well. Both the composite system and the Mismatch system nearly registered a huge win having picked the 14th seed Stephen F. Austin in what I called my most stupid pick, and SFA led until there were four minutes left in the game.
Today my scheduler says, "I didn't pick that Seton Hall team because I'd never heard of them, but I got the others right." I look at her bracket & realize ... she is in fact 15-1. None of the 9 methods I labor over as a stat expert at http://www.pudnersports.com could match my Director of Scheduling who had not heard of some of the teams. My brackets were all between 11-5 & 14-2. Another person in the Take Back Our Republic office has a 15-1, but he was a legit basketball players so he doesn't get as much credit. Of more concern is that the big Alabama Crimson Tide on 247Sports fan in the office had a big win and Donta Hall looked healthy which does scare me coming into their game against Villanova Basketball.
Texas A+M be chuckin' Like George Costanza
First FG at 12:35
To be clear, the most reliable predictor on day 1 of the tournament was who had the most experienced guards. Huh.
Quote from: tower912 on March 16, 2018, 11:30:10 AM
To be clear, the most reliable predictor on day 1 of the tournament was who had the most experienced guards. Huh.
Not that surprising. Feels like if you have good guards, you have a chance. Ball in their hands more than any other positions.
AuburnMarquette, insightful comments as always.
The legendary coach Abe Lemons summarised success in the NCCA tournament
with a far less technical analysis. However, his comment was 100 percent
consistent with yours observations.
Lemons said, "If you ain't got guards, you ain't got sh*t."
Quote from: tower912 on March 16, 2018, 11:30:10 AM
To be clear, the most reliable predictor on day 1 of the tournament was who had the most experienced guards. Huh.
Hope we land grad transfer. WE lose Rowsey. 5th year player.
Lindsey is a trainwreck for Providence
50-50
Go Friars! Me likey Ed Cooley
Quote from: forgetful on March 15, 2018, 11:16:34 PM
Who would be on your all-time "non-athletic" all tournament team.
Tyler Hansbrough (#1 hands-down in my book)
Steph Curry (stellar shooter and ball handler, not all that much of an athlete)
Luke Harangody (still baffles me how this guy was so good)
Jimmer Fredette (perhaps the poor man's Steve Novak)
Fu ck Providence
They hate wining in the tourney
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 16, 2018, 11:34:07 AM
Not that surprising. Feels like if you have good guards, you have a chance. Ball in their hands more than any other positions.
It's a guards game, eh, Chico's?
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 16, 2018, 01:07:42 PM
Fu ck Providence
They hate wining in the tourney
Just jacking up bad shots....
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 16, 2018, 01:13:10 PM
Just jacking up bad shots....
Someone needs to tell Diallo he isn't a jump shooter
And Lindsey is just a really bad player
Thought Cooley was going to take more advantage of A&M's poor ft shooting and put Williams on the line more.
Williams is just a beast.
This Texas A&M team isn't very good. Providence should've won this game
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on March 16, 2018, 01:26:43 PM
This Texas A&M team isn't very good. Providence should've won this game
Actually pretty good, would be a tremendous if they had some guard play. The freshman, Starks had like 7 turnovers today.
A&M has a front line of 6 9, 6 10 and 6 10. Hogg was top 30, Davis was top 25 and Williams may be a lottery pick in this years draft. They just clobbered PU on boards today 45-26.
My god, the last minute of Marshall/WSU took half an hour to play.
Good for Marshal, first win ever.
BTW, that kid Penava from Bosnia, was best player on floor. Love madness.
What a disappointing year for Wichita
Defense just got dramatically worse
Quote from: MUDish-Hagans Come On Down on March 16, 2018, 02:42:35 PM
My god, the last minute of Marshall/WSU took half an hour to play.
Totally ruined a good game. And the first one ... they ended up getting the call wrong, IMHO; ball was off the Marshall dude's fingertips.
My big question is this:
Do the losses by Wichita State and Providence hurt our RPI for next season?
Quote from: MU82 on March 16, 2018, 02:50:07 PM
My big question is this:
Do the losses by Wichita State and Providence hurt our RPI for next season?
+1. What will our seed be in the NIT Season Tip-off? ;D
These officials fuggin ruining the games, i had to tyrn the channel. Glad marshall won too bad i coujdnt stand to watch it
Quote from: Oldgym on March 16, 2018, 02:54:53 PM
+1. What will our seed be in the NIT Season Tip-off? ;D
Invitation will most likely be rescinded
Butler had an 18-2 lead to start this game, now down to 1 point lead.
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 16, 2018, 03:00:57 PM
Butler had an 18-2 lead to start this game, now down to 1 point lead.
21-2.
This game is brutal. Neither team will settle down.
Wideman appears drunk
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 16, 2018, 03:00:57 PM
Butler had an 18-2 lead to start this game, now down to 1 point lead.
Actually was 21-2.
Quote from: nyg on March 16, 2018, 01:55:17 PM
Actually pretty good, would be a tremendous if they had some guard play. The freshman, Starks had like 7 turnovers today.
A&M has a front line of 6 9, 6 10 and 6 10. Hogg was top 30, Davis was top 25 and Williams may be a lottery pick in this years draft. They just clobbered PU on boards today 45-26.
They look good on paper but really didn't play up to their potential this year I felt like. Every time I checked on them they didn't impress me
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on March 16, 2018, 03:23:29 PM
They look good on paper but really didn't play up to their potential this year I felt like. Every time I checked on them they didn't impress me
They did just fine today when it counts. Not calling them favorites, but can be dangerous
Anyone watching WVU vS Murray State? The worst 7 minutes of basketball I've seen this season
Great win for Butler
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 16, 2018, 03:34:17 PM
Anyone watching WVU vS Murray State? The worst 7 minutes of basketball I've seen this season
It seems this WVU always starts slow then turns it on.
Isaac Haas, the big 7'2" Center out for Purdue. May help even things up for Butler. Would be sweet if Hall or Butler can pull an upset.
Can't stand Ol' Roy, but this was pretty funny:
"We are the remedy for anyone who has struggled with three-point shooting all year."
https://twitter.com/ESPNMcGee/status/974758801512411136
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on March 16, 2018, 04:27:39 PM
Great win for Butler
My boy Lavall keeping the Butler way going.
I shudder when I think back to the stone age when all the games were on one channel and you were at the mercy of your local CBS affiliate to show you the "best" game...
This CBS/Tru/TBS/TNT setup is the second best technological advance of the last thirty years.
The first being pay at the pump gas, of course.
If you're watching March Madness live online, anyone notice that the Hulu commercial was showing footage from the MU/Davidson game?
Nevada and Texas and ballin and gettin up and down boi!
Quote from: HelfaerWarrior on March 16, 2018, 05:04:07 PM
Nevada and Texas and ballin and gettin up and down boi!
Fun game.
Quote from: barfolomew on March 16, 2018, 04:57:09 PM
I shudder when I think back to the stone age when all the games were on one channel and you were at the mercy of your local CBS affiliate to show you the "best" game...
This CBS/Tru/TBS/TNT setup is the second best technological advance of the last thirty years.
The first being pay at the pump gas, of course.
I was telling this to a 21 year old and got a weird look. Thank god, Turner pointed up the money to make this happen. Plus, it keeps ESPN out.
Nevada...hit your free throws
More like- Texas hit your free throws.
Yup gotta hit dem throws bubbi!!
Nevada is getting jobbed. That was not a foul when doooood fouled out and boi was OB with his hand on the ball.
Nevada coach gonna blow a vein son!
Did Nevada coach just say "what a f**cking game!" Right into the camera?
Or did he say "funky"?
Question........
Tonight Texas Southern plays against X. Demontrae Jefferson, is like 5ft 7 and 130. He was a Milwaukee high school star, but can't recall why he wasn't recruited by MU or others.
Height? Grades? Other? Cause the kid can play.
Creighton gonna embarrass themselves again???
Dean Wade is out for God's sake.
Weren't we in the running for Shaka Smart a few years ago? Has not exactly lit the world on fire.
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 16, 2018, 05:57:39 PM
Weren't we in the running for Shaka Smart a few years ago? Has not exactly lit the world on fire.
You must be new here.
Shaka's record in 3 seasons at Texas: 50-50.
Made the tournament with Barnes' recruits his first year and lost in the first round on a half-court shot ... went 11-22 last year in a season that would have had ScoopLand saying he should be fired (probably by midseason) ... and this year squeaked in with a mediocre record only to blow a big lead to lose to Nevada.
Since getting to the 2011 FF in his second season as a coach:
Lost by 2 in second round ... lost by 25 in second round ... lost in first round to Stephen F. Austin ... lost in first round ... lost in first round ... went 11-22 with team that had been ranked in the Top 25 ... lost in first round.
I cannot sit here and say Wojo has accomplished more; that would be a lie. Nor will I say Shaka isn't a "good coach." I don't know enough about him to make that determination.
But Shaka ain't no savior. So screw Mrs. Shaka, and the ship she didn't sail into Milwaukee on.
There. I got that outta my system. Thanks for indulging me!!
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 16, 2018, 05:57:39 PM
Weren't we in the running for Shaka Smart a few years ago? Has not exactly lit the world on fire.
If Shaka hasn't exactly lit the world on fire, out of curiousity, what is your assessment of Wojo who is 4 years in, as opposed to Shaka in his 3rd at Texas?
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 16, 2018, 05:57:39 PM
Weren't we in the running for Shaka Smart a few years ago? Has not exactly lit the world on fire.
2 NCAA tournaments in three years. 336th youngest team. 11th best defense in the country. Many here would take that. But, then again you are trolling Cheeks.
Seriously the discussion here should be whether or not McDermott keeps his job
Creighton having tough time in 1st half against kstate
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 16, 2018, 06:12:19 PM
Seriously the discussion here should be whether or not McDermott keeps his job
Relax, plenty of game left
Is it just me, or have others noticed the Big East teams seem to be getting worked by the refs today?
Quote from: Norm on March 16, 2018, 06:30:25 PM
Is it just me, or have others noticed the Big East teams seem to be getting worked by the refs today?
Providence definitely didn't get the benefit of doubt but they were just overpowered
Butler game wasn't too shabby
Creighton is just really bad
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 16, 2018, 06:12:19 PM
Seriously the discussion here should be whether or not McDermott keeps his job
Why wouldn't he? Creighton has no right to expect the second weekend when they haven't been there since 74. He's gotten Almost a quarter of their programs NCAA appearances so if Creighton fired him it'd be an absolute joke
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 16, 2018, 06:36:30 PM
Why wouldn't he? Creighton has no right to expect the second weekend when they haven't been there since 74. He's gotten Almost a quarter of their programs NCAA appearances so if Creighton fired him it'd be an absolute joke
They aren't in the MVC anymore
First round tourney losses for a BE team every year are not something you sit around on
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 16, 2018, 06:41:43 PM
They aren't in the MVC anymore
First round tourney losses for a BE team every year are not something you sit around on
Lol cmon dude
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 16, 2018, 06:41:43 PM
They aren't in the MVC anymore
First round tourney losses for a BE team every year are not something you sit around on
You say that because you're comparing it to other programs in the big east that have actually had postseason success. Creighton probably wants that success but no coach in their right mind would go there when they've said that meeting the program's historical ceiling is not enough.
Quote from: LAZER on March 16, 2018, 06:47:58 PM
Lol cmon dude
I'll bet you any amount of money McDermott is gone within the next 2 years if they still don't have a tournament win
Then Creighton would be dumb.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 16, 2018, 06:57:15 PM
I'll bet you any amount of money McDermott is gone within the next 2 years if they still don't have a tournament win
If he's gone it won't be because he was fired.
And they're down by 6 at half to a very mediocre Bruce Weber-coached KSU team.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 16, 2018, 06:57:15 PM
I'll bet you any amount of money McDermott is gone within the next 2 years if they still don't have a tournament win
You keep saying that but he has plenty of NCAA tourney wins.
Creighton getting nothing from Foster. Not a good game for him to get cramps.
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 16, 2018, 05:57:39 PM
Weren't we in the running for Shaka Smart a few years ago? Has not exactly lit the world on fire.
LOL @ Chicos playing dumb to maintain the ruse
And nothing g from Harrell. Can't win a tourney game getting nothing from two key players.
Quote from: LAZER on March 16, 2018, 06:59:49 PM
If he's gone it won't be because he was fired.
And they're down by 6 at half to a very mediocre Bruce Weber-coached KSU team.
Exactly.
Getting beat down by a average team coached by an average at best coach without their best player.
That's bad.
Quote from: MU82 on March 16, 2018, 06:08:13 PM
Shaka's record in 3 seasons at Texas: 50-50.
Made the tournament with Barnes' recruits his first year and lost in the first round on a half-court shot ... went 11-22 last year in a season that would have had ScoopLand saying he should be fired (probably by midseason) ... and this year squeaked in with a mediocre record only to blow a big lead to lose to Nevada.
Since getting to the 2011 FF in his second season as a coach:
Lost by 2 in second round ... lost by 25 in second round ... lost in first round to Stephen F. Austin ... lost in first round ... lost in first round ... went 11-22 with team that had been ranked in the Top 25 ... lost in first round.
I cannot sit here and say Wojo has accomplished more; that would be a lie. Nor will I say Shaka isn't a "good coach." I don't know enough about him to make that determination.
But Shaka ain't no savior. So screw Mrs. Shaka, and the ship she didn't sail into Milwaukee on.
There. I got that outta my system. Thanks for indulging me!!
Truer words never spoken. If you ain't with us, you're against us!
No contributions from Foster or Harrell too much for the Blue Jays to overcome.
Creighton has looked un-Creighton like as a Big East member in the tournament.
Creighton is always a sure fire out the first weekend
"What are you watching?". Enough to get a technical that ends a career. Terrible officiating. And then a make up tech. Wow.
21 all time trips to the tournament which is outstanding. 1974 last Sweet 16. Which it wasn't even called that back then.
Come on, Charleston.
https://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/illinois-state-head-coach-dan-mueller-takes-a-jab-at-wichita-state
Quote from: tower912 on March 16, 2018, 08:23:33 PM
Come on, Charleston.
Ditto!
I walked the campus this part summer. Charming school.
Charleston doing it on both ends.
Coach's who give up leads late but take home lots of timeouts puzzle me.
Quote from: tower912 on March 16, 2018, 08:38:26 PM
Coach's who give up leads late but take home lots of timeouts puzzle me.
Saving them for next season....
3 timeouts left and that's the shot?
Wait...so he finally calls a TO down 4 (might become 5) with 4.2 seconds left?
Yikes - missed call on the 3....
CofC missed their free throws.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 16, 2018, 06:36:30 PM
Why wouldn't he? Creighton has no right to expect the second weekend when they haven't been there since 74. He's gotten Almost a quarter of their programs NCAA appearances so if Creighton fired him it'd be an absolute joke
At least the announcers didn't pronounce their name as "Cray-in".
I love watching Virginia. Old school point/blocker/mover motion offense and tough, disciplined yet athletic and communicative MAN-TO-MAN!
Just good basketball and with skilled dooods. Go Tony!
Matt Heldt what now. I hear Raft's voice but I was packing something 🤪
Charge calls have, for the most part, been bad in this tourney
Quote from: nyg on March 16, 2018, 05:56:34 PM
Question........
Tonight Texas Southern plays against X. Demontrae Jefferson, is like 5ft 7 and 130. He was a Milwaukee high school star, but can't recall why he wasn't recruited by MU or others.
Height? Grades? Other? Cause the kid can play.
He was a best a mid major prospect at the time.
Little guy on umbc fouls 2-3 times every defensive possession
I thought it was the under 4 TV time-out nit the @4???????
Cooley and McDermott screwed the Big East today.
Other than the airballed FT, a remarkable last 30 seconds of the half for TCU...
So, uh, this is actually happening with Virginia?!
I can see why Bucky wants to hire tony Bennett. 29 pts w 11:39 left in the 2nd.
UMBC looks like the 1 seed, attacking, pressure, launch and go, defending. Their PG is 5'8". UVA and n the ropes and their offense isn't built for charging back when down big.
Uhhhh, should we get to the it's happening bunker, or is it a little premature?
Can Virginia score 15 in 10 minutes?
Pick and roll is really hurting Virginia.
Hmm...
UVA wins by 6+
Hope I'm wrong.
Edit: Looking like I'm wrong.
Edit: I was wrong.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 16, 2018, 10:03:31 PM
UMBC looks like the 1 seed, attacking, pressure, launch and go, defending. Their PG is 5'8". UVA and n the ropes and their offense isn't built for charging back when down big.
5'8" and actually plays defense. Hope Howard and Rowsey are watching.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 16, 2018, 10:11:45 PM
5'8" and actually plays defense. Hope Howard and Rowsey are watching.
Guy is like the frickin' energizer bunny. He never stops going.
RE: Virginia
Holy shnikies! Tony gonna be singin da blues tonight leavin' his heart on the court of things don't start shinin better
Use the clock fellas.
Virginia is fouling like crazy trying to put on pressure. So far refs being a little lax on blowing the whistle. Could help UVA get back in to it.
Terrible call on the opposite end bailing out UVA from a turnover.
It's over baby, tournament history being made.
Those UMBC families need to start looking for hotels for the weekend!
WOW - go UMBC!!!!!
3:29 to go...
I want Lamar. Like now!
Love this game. The UMBC energizer bunny pg is a lot of fun and they keep attacking.
Probably biggest upset ever if this goes, even over the Chaminade game.
I'm probably only scoop guy that's ever been to UMBC, it's like a small community college campus.
Unreal. Have to make foul shots now.
Quote from: nyg on March 16, 2018, 10:25:48 PM
Probably biggest upset ever if this goes, even over the Chaminade game.
I'm probably only scoop guy that's ever been to UMBC, it's like a small community college campus.
Unreal. Have to make foul shots now.
I have been there too. Agree on the look of campus.
Gonna be a riot on the UMBC campus tonight
So freakin awesome.
40? Years in the making
Somebody RonPaul.gif me
We've had these guys as a buy game. Bring em back.
Virginia plays boring basketball but they win. ;D Now this is madness.
Does Maura have eligibility left? He is listed as a senior, but only played 3 years, sat out one year as a transfer. I know he is another midget, but damn, he's a 1-man press break.
Quote from: nyg on March 16, 2018, 10:25:48 PM
Probably biggest upset ever if this goes, even over the Chaminade game.
I'm probably only scoop guy that's ever been to UMBC, it's like a small community college campus.
Unreal. Have to make foul shots now.
Definitely the biggest upset ever.
Chaminade won a non-conference game on its home court. This is an NCAA tournament victory over the overall No. 1 seed.
From a significance standpoint, the only thing close was Nova over Georgetown ... and more than 1% of basketball fans actually heard of Villanova!
Blow out no less...
Well, someone's got to do it
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Court storm denied
Honestly, never thought I'd see it happen. Definitely didn't think it would happen in a 20-point blowout.
WOW!!!
Not only that but UMBC put up 53 points in the 2nd half. That is almost more than UVA scored the entire game.
I don't get why they keep showing Virginia fans in tears - SHOW US THE UMBC FANS CELEBRATING!
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 16, 2018, 10:35:44 PM
I don't get why they keep showing Virginia fans in tears - SHOW US THE UMBC FANS CELEBRATING!
Tears of infinite sadness.
Un-freakin'-believable!!!
This why madness is the best. Not a close game, but a second half destruction. Every team has some sort of chance and feel bad for those who didn't stay up and watch.
So happy I got home in time to see the second half of this. Wow!
Quote from: nyg on March 16, 2018, 10:37:25 PM
This why madness is the best. Not a close game, but a second half destruction. Every team has some sort of chance and feel bad for those who didn't stay up and watch.
To put this into perspective, UMBC has the 212th ranked offense.
In other news, Cuse and TCU turning back the clock on the game 50 years.
#peachbasketsmatta
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 16, 2018, 06:09:44 PM
If Shaka hasn't exactly lit the world on fire, out of curiousity, what is your assessment of Wojo who is 4 years in, as opposed to Shaka in his 3rd at Texas?
Are you comparing the Shaka Smart hire to Wojo? Smart was courted each year, had a Final Four to his name. Wojo was an assistant.
Texas has the largest athletic department in the nation, it's own television channel that fans can see across the country. Best facilities, populous state, huge following.
Expectations for Mr. Smart would be much higher along with the salary than Wojo. Wojo is doing what I expected, methodically going through a process. I'm a little surprised by Mr. Smart maybe not doing better than he has, but he has put his team in the tournament twice. I guess my expectations were higher for him, but absolutely higher compared to Wojo. I think most common sense fans would say the same.
It was almost anticlimactic because they won by 20.
Think about it, the #1 overall seed in the tournament just lost in the first round to a 16 seed by 20. Seriously, WTF?!
UMBC coach to Pitt.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on March 16, 2018, 07:57:34 PM
Creighton has looked un-Creighton like as a Big East member in the tournament.
I had K-State tonight, wasn't sold on the Blue Jays all season.
To put what just happened in perspective ... UMBC lost by 44 to Albany earlier this year
Quote from: MUDish-Hagans Come On Down on March 16, 2018, 10:44:23 PM
It was almost anticlimactic because they won by 20.
Think about it, the #1 overall seed in the tournament just lost in the first round to a 16 seed by 20. Seriously, WTF?!
Anything can happen in the NCAA tournament. 40 minutes of bad basketball erases months of great basketball. So many fans put all the judgment on coaches with what they do in the tournament and seem to forget the rest, but yes it can happen that quickly. This will follow Bennett the rest of his life and I think he is a wonderful coach. Unfortunate. Wish this would have happened to Boeheim or Coach Cal. The tournament is madness.
I still don't believe I saw that.
Quote from: Bo Ryan's Massage Therapist on March 16, 2018, 10:47:49 PM
To put what just happened in perspective ... UMBC lost by 44 to Albany earlier this year
One of my favorite websites. The transitive property of college basketball. Give it a try.
http://www.myteamisbetterthanyourteam.com/?sport=MCB
Quote from: MUDish-Hagans Come On Down on March 16, 2018, 10:44:23 PM
It was almost anticlimactic because they won by 20.
Think about it, the #1 overall seed in the tournament just lost in the first round to a 16 seed by 20. Seriously, WTF?!
UVa favored by 21. Talk about beating the spread....
Quote from: MUDish-Hagans Come On Down on March 16, 2018, 10:44:23 PM
It was almost anticlimactic because they won by 20.
Think about it, the #1 overall seed in the tournament just lost in the first round to a 16 seed by 20. Seriously, WTF?!
I believe a 16 had only come within 5 points of a 1 five times in almost 140 games.
Gonna need to rework this. At least the losing team at #1 isn't changing....
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/963805-chaminade-over-virginia-and-the-25-biggest-upsets-in-college-hoops-history
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 16, 2018, 10:52:43 PM
Anything can happen in the NCAA tournament. 40 minutes of bad basketball erases months of great basketball. So many fans put all the judgment on coaches with what they do in the tournament and seem to forget the rest, but yes it can happen that quickly. This will follow Bennett the rest of his life and I think he is a wonderful coach. Unfortunate. Wish this would have happened to Boeheim or Coach Cal. The tournament is madness.
Almost like you're saying it's a crapshoot.
Quote from: MU82 on March 16, 2018, 10:57:12 PM
Almost like you're saying it's a crapshoot.
Love March Madness. Feel great for the Retrievers, feel terrible for Bennett and Virginia. Imagine that Virginia is the program to have the two biggest upsets ever. Chaminade and now 16 v 1.
I can only imagine what is happening on HooScoop tonight...
In my personal record book, biggest upsets of all time:
1) US Men's Hockey 1980 (people forget they were huge dogs in the gold medal game too)
2) Buster Douglas over in his prime Tyson
3) Tonight
Mind you I'm tired and memory a little hazy.
I really dislike Syracuse. Don't deserve to be in and get a really favourable first round matchup. Feels like this happens every damn year.
All i can say is Thank God that didn't happen to MU
Quote from: Bo Ryan's Massage Therapist on March 16, 2018, 10:47:49 PM
To put what just happened in perspective ... UMBC lost by 44 to Albany earlier this year
So when are we hiring the Albany coach? Or how about Coach Odom, he turned around the UMBC program in 18 months? Or how about Buffalo or Loyola?
Well just maybe we should watch a couple of more games before deciding.
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 16, 2018, 10:59:30 PM
Love March Madness. Feel great for the Retrievers, feel terrible for Bennett and Virginia. Imagine that Virginia is the program to have the two biggest upsets ever. Chaminade and now 16 v 1.
The one and done set up is what makes it entertaining, that's for sure.
I do feel bad for Bennett as well. His interview right after the game was all class. Was awesome to witness but would much rather it have happened against someone like Calipari.
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 16, 2018, 10:52:43 PM
Anything can happen in the NCAA tournament. 40 minutes of bad basketball erases months of great basketball.
Creighton fans are far too versed in this. Imagine being the team that's never made a sweet 16 and put up a stinker in game they should've won by 10+, then watch a 16 upset a 1.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 16, 2018, 11:02:31 PM
I can only imagine what is happening on HooScoop tonight...
Answered my own question...looks familiar!
https://virginia.sportswar.com/mid/10075083/board/basketball/
As much crying as the Va fans were doing in the arena, there's probably 100x the tears in Vegas right now.
Moneyline on Virginia was 1/90 the other day.
How many people lost $9,000 bets tonight?
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 16, 2018, 11:07:28 PM
Answered my own question...looks familiar!
https://virginia.sportswar.com/mid/10075083/board/basketball/
OMG... that board is almost as bad as Dayton's.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 16, 2018, 11:07:28 PM
Answered my own question...looks familiar!
https://virginia.sportswar.com/mid/10075083/board/basketball/
They're lucky. They only have one miserable piece of garbage who lurks like that!
I wonder if UMBC even has a board? If it does, I am sure the server just crashed...
Should've learned my lesson about picking Mizzou to win anything after they lose to a 15 seed as a 2 seed in 2012, but for some reason I picked them again. Big 12 teams in general always are overrated. Every year
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on March 16, 2018, 11:17:35 PM
Should've learned my lesson about picking Mizzou to win anything after they lose to a 15 seed as a 2 seed in 2012, but for some reason I picked them again. Big 12 teams in general always are overrated. Every year
Mizzou is in the SEC.
Quote from: MUDish-Hagans Come On Down on March 16, 2018, 11:03:51 PM
In my personal record book, biggest upsets of all time:
1) US Men's Hockey 1980 (people forget they were huge dogs in the gold medal game too)
2) Buster Douglas over in his prime Tyson
3) Tonight
Mind you I'm tired and memory a little hazy.
I go with Buster over Tyson because I remember watching it unfold on the 10-inch TV my parents had in the kitchen. I think they were watching Barnaby Jones re-runs on their living room TV.
For the hugeness of the moment, Nova over Georgetown was another biggie.
Quote from: MU82 on March 16, 2018, 10:57:12 PM
Almost like you're saying it's a crapshoot.
Maybe he will say it in a beer summit.....
16 seeds have more wins than the Pac12
Thinking about changing all my four-digit PINs to 1135, as the record of 16 seeds v. 1 seeds now sits at 1-135.
Amazing and excited that I got to see it...and that the result helped me overcome losing a final four team (AZ) in my bracket while my bracket opponent lost his national champ.
Quote from: drewm88 on March 16, 2018, 11:20:32 PM
16 seeds have more wins than the Pac12
+1...classic!
Quote from: forgetful on March 16, 2018, 11:18:53 PM
Mizzou is in the SEC.
You're right, they were in the Big 12 in 2012 though. I hate the Big 12. Maybe I picked Mizzou because FSU is equal chokers in the tournament.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 16, 2018, 11:15:16 PM
I wonder if UMBC even has a board? If it does, I am sure the server just crashed...
UMBC Twitter account said the school website crashed. HA HA
Quote from: muguru on March 16, 2018, 11:06:02 PM
All i can say is Thank God that didn't happen to MU
One could argue it was us in 1978, but that was before seeding was done like it is today, but that was a day to forget forever.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 16, 2018, 11:15:16 PM
I wonder if UMBC even has a board? If it does, I am sure the server just crashed...
Well they are probably in a panic about losing their coach.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 16, 2018, 11:15:16 PM
I wonder if UMBC even has a board? If it does, I am sure the server just crashed...
This is a good point, and I think we should offer to help. UMBC fans, if you need a place to chat this NCAA tournament season, email me and we'll setup a board just for you. muscoop@muscoop.com.
Quote from: drewm88 on March 16, 2018, 11:20:32 PM
16 seeds have more wins than the Pac12
I wonder if that's the first time since the 64-team format that a P6 conference went 0 for the tournament....
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 16, 2018, 11:24:07 PM
One could argue it was us in 1978, but that was before seeding was done like it is today, but that was a day to forget forever.
MAC champion a 16? No freakin' way.
I thought Tony Bennett didn't recruit one-and-dones, but he has a roster full of them tonight.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 17, 2018, 12:01:07 AM
I thought Tony Bennett didn't recruit one-and-dones, but he has a roster full of them tonight.
Shot fired.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 16, 2018, 11:56:34 PM
MAC champion a 16? No freakin' way.
That's why I said one could argue. Only 32 teams back then so it wasn't as bad, but at the time was considered one of the biggest upsets in NCAA history.
https://www.nytimes.com/1978/03/12/archives/defending-quintet-loses-in-overtime-providence-out-flagrant-foul.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1978/03/12/marquette-ambushed/4809e94d-0edf-41df-b29a-77bc549696ab/?utm_term=.fe8dc3b1dc80
We had a 10 point lead with under 4:00 to play. Miami lost 8 games that year before playing us, including to Kent State, Eastern Michigan, Western Michigan and Toledo. That was a monumental upset. Not Hank's best moment.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 16, 2018, 11:38:53 PM
This is a good point, and I think we should offer to help. UMBC fans, if you need a place to chat this NCAA tournament season, email me and we'll setup a board just for you. muscoop@muscoop.com.
Gallant move, always Full Service.
Damn it! I fall asleep on the couch, and history passes me by!!
Quote from: nyg on March 16, 2018, 10:25:48 PM
Probably biggest upset ever if this goes, even over the Chaminade game.
I'm probably only scoop guy that's ever been to UMBC, it's like a small community college campus.
Unreal. Have to make foul shots now.
Congratulations Virginia!
You have now knocked Marquette's loss to Miami of Ohio in 1978 off the top of the list of biggest NCAA upsets of all time.
We're now number 2, but on this list, that's OK!
By the way, that was the worst game in MU history. Absolutely the worst! Defending national champions. Arguably a one or two seed. And we lose to Miami of F-ing Ohio.
I'm sure Virginia fans are saying the same thing this morning. F-ing Baltimore County!!!???!!!!
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 17, 2018, 12:25:55 AM
That's why I said one could argue. Only 32 teams back then so it wasn't as bad, but at the time was considered one of the biggest upsets in NCAA history.
Of course "one could argue". One could argue virtually anything whether the argument has merit or not. In this case yours doesn't.
There have been 3 opening round NCAA games where a 20+ point favorite has lost - #2 seed Arizona vs #15 Santa Clara in 1993, #2 seed Missouri vs #15 Norfolk St in 2012 and Virginia last night. In term of point spreads our loss to Miami O in 1978 isn't even in the top 20.
Yes, Virginia, there really is a UMBC.
Having the stain of losing to a 16 is a legacy that belongs at UW. Bring it home Barry
Pretty good article by Pat Forde on UVA's issues.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/theres-no-escaping-historic-embarrassment-virginia-043006234.html
Greatest upsets in sports history:
https://sports.yahoo.com/most-shocking-memorable-upsets-history-slideshow-wp-231632977/photo-p-no-16-seeds-had-photo-231632787.html
I'm disappointed that they didn't include the 1994-95 (95-96?) Denver Nuggets, who beat the Sonics. The first time in NBA history an 8-seed beat a 1-seed. I mean come on, Shawn Kemp and Gary Payton in their respective primes?!?
Basically, Forde is saying that UVA under Bennett is the new Wisconsin under Bo. Doomed to fail any time they go against a team that can make them play outside their comfort zone.
Quote from: nyg on March 17, 2018, 08:13:49 AM
Pretty good article by Pat Forde on UVA's issues.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/theres-no-escaping-historic-embarrassment-virginia-043006234.html
That is a good reference list and a conversation piece, and I actually had forgotten about a couple of them (including Boise State's win over Oklahoma and Appalachian State beating Michigan). But the order is absolutely ridiculous.
I mean, it's 20 years later and people everywhere are still buzzing about the Harvard women's basketball team's first-round win over Stanford in 1998.
To claim that there were 17 bigger upsets than the U.S. hockey win at Lake Placid and 14 bigger than Buster over Tyson ... so stupid it's almost funny.
Holly Holm over Ronda Rousey bigger than Buster over Tyson. Good stuff.
Quote from: MU82 on March 17, 2018, 08:40:54 AM
That is a good reference list and a conversation piece, and I actually had forgotten about a couple of them (including Boise State's win over Oklahoma and Appalachian State beating Michigan). But the order is absolutely ridiculous.
I mean, it's 20 years later and people everywhere are still buzzing about the Harvard women's basketball team's first-round win over Stanford in 1998.
To claim that there were 17 bigger upsets than the U.S. hockey win at Lake Placid and 14 bigger than Buster over Tyson ... so stupid it's almost funny.
Holly Holm over Ronda Rousey bigger than Buster over Tyson. Good stuff.
F-ing Millenials. I bet 90% of them think a fallout shelter is somewhere you go to record yourself playing video games.
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 16, 2018, 10:52:43 PM
Anything can happen in the NCAA tournament. 40 minutes of bad basketball erases months of great basketball. So many fans put all the judgment on coaches with what they do in the tournament and seem to forget the rest, but yes it can happen that quickly. This will follow Bennett the rest of his life and I think he is a wonderful coach. Unfortunate. Wish this would have happened to Boeheim or Coach Cal. The tournament is madness.
The tournament matters much more than regular season games and it's how coaches are judged. Sean Miller, Thad Matta and Dana Kirk (to mention a few) have much better regular season records than Tom Izzo, Bobby Knight, Jim Calhoun and Denny Crum. Mark Few has a higher winning % than Johnny Wooden and Coach K. Good coaches win in November - February. Great ones win in March.
Quote from: tower912 on March 17, 2018, 08:38:54 AM
Basically, Forde is saying that UVA under Bennett is the new Wisconsin under Bo. Doomed to fail any time they go against a team that can make them play outside their comfort zone.
Yes. That's what he's saying. That said, it was a FLUKE of epic proportions. Bennett can flat out coach. 31-2 regular season says all that needs to be said. No doubt their fans have to be off the rails, going into this tourney with such high expectations - but, if UVA wants to move from Bennett, I'd gladly take him at MU!
The Va. upset is one reason why I don't believe a post-season tournament limited to the P5 or "Big Boy" conferences would ever reach the popularity of the NCAA tourney. The David v. Goliath storylines would not be there. The NCAA is far from perfect, but it has this tourney down pat. The P5 shouldn't mess with happy in this case.
Quote from: Benny B on March 17, 2018, 09:53:53 AM
F-ing Millenials. I bet 90% of them think a fallout shelter is somewhere you go to record yourself playing video games.
Speaking of Fing millennials....
https://sports.yahoo.com/s-f-austin-coach-blames-millennials-today-ncaa-tournament-loss-174417469.html
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 16, 2018, 11:05:04 PM
I really dislike Syracuse. Don't deserve to be in and get a really favourable first round matchup. Feels like this happens every damn year.
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Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 17, 2018, 10:40:02 AM
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Liked the Movie.
Nova with early foul trouble. 4 fouls on them, including 2 on Spellmen, and 0 Allen against Bama thus far.
Quote from: Norm on March 17, 2018, 11:22:27 AM
Nova with early foul trouble. 4 fouls on them, including 2 on Spellmen, and 0 Allen against Bama thus far.
If BAMA has gas in the tank, (late finish in hard fought game Thursday night), they will give Nova all they can handle. Wouldn't surprise me to see Bama beat Nova.
Quote from: Norm on March 17, 2018, 11:22:27 AM
Nova with early foul trouble. 4 fouls on them, including 2 on Spellmen, and 0 Allen against Bama thus far.
Probably wasn't the game for Spellman anyways. Bama is really small and quick.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 17, 2018, 11:24:19 AM
Probably wasn't the game for Spellman anyways. Bama is really small and quick.
Small?
edit: just looked at their size. They are indeed quite small. Crazy athletic, though.
Bama had to be feeling pretty good when Brunson went to the bench with two fouls. Cue DiVincenzo hitting back to back to back ridiculous 3 pointers.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 17, 2018, 11:41:22 AM
Bama had to be feeling pretty good when Brunson went to the bench with two fouls. Cue DiVincenzo hitting back to back to back ridiculous 3 pointers.
Nova when they get on a roll is just indefensible. Nothing you could do about either of those last two shots. Came off of zero passing/ball movement, just contested pull ups.
DiVincenzio could be called for carrying every time he dribbles.
I think we all know that Nova is very capable of winning the whole damn thing again this year. That is a team that Wojo should be aspiring to mold us like.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on March 17, 2018, 11:28:39 AM
Small?
edit: just looked at their size. They are indeed quite small. Crazy athletic, though.
Their hair makes them look tall....
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 17, 2018, 07:18:17 AM
Congratulations Virginia!
You have now knocked Marquette's loss to Miami of Ohio in 1978 off the top of the list of biggest NCAA upsets of all time.
We're now number 2, but on this list, that's OK!
By the way, that was the worst game in MU history. Absolutely the worst! Defending national champions. Arguably a one or two seed. And we lose to Miami of F-ing Ohio.
I'm sure Virginia fans are saying the same thing this morning. F-ing Baltimore County!!!???!!!!
That's how I feel. Others in this thread don't agree, maybe you and I are tainted because it was our school. That was at the time the worst loss in NCAA history and it didn't help that we had the game absolutely sown up without the collapse.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 17, 2018, 07:19:52 AM
Of course "one could argue". One could argue virtually anything whether the argument has merit or not. In this case yours doesn't.
There have been 3 opening round NCAA games where a 20+ point favorite has lost - #2 seed Arizona vs #15 Santa Clara in 1993, #2 seed Missouri vs #15 Norfolk St in 2012 and Virginia last night. In term of point spreads our loss to Miami O in 1978 isn't even in the top 20.
I'm not sure point spreads is that applicable. First question is what was our point spread back then in March of '78 vs Miami? I'd add that point spreads are there to influence bets, they also factor in the style of play. A 10 point favored Wisconsin from a few years ago with their defense was like a 15 point favorite for someone else. A team could be trailing them by 7 or 8 and the game was essentially over.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 17, 2018, 09:55:31 AM
The tournament matters much more than regular season games and it's how coaches are judged. Sean Miller, Thad Matta and Dana Kirk (to mention a few) have much better regular season records than Tom Izzo, Bobby Knight, Jim Calhoun and Denny Crum. Mark Few has a higher winning % than Johnny Wooden and Coach K. Good coaches win in November - February. Great ones win in March.
I am not disagreeing with you on the value of the tournament, that's where the championship is won. However, it doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the bath water either. The regular season also means something. How many teams win the tournament that aren't the best team during the season? That happens at a high rate. If the committee of experts say the four best teams are the #1 seeds, then every year a #1 seed doesn't win the tournament that proves to be the case. Going a step further, does it mean when a #10 seed makes the championship they are really better than 36 other teams for the year, or better in the tournament which can present easier paths based on games you didn't even play in (i.e. a 13 knocks off a 4, or a 6 beats a 3). Do you think the tournament has any element of luck to it?
If March is the only real indicator, does that mean Frank Martin (10-5 NCAA record) is a better coach than Tony Bennett at 10-8?
Coach Buzz Williams at 8-7 is a worse coach than Coach Tom Crean at 12-9 in the NCAA tournament? Lon Kruger only 20-18. Tubby Smith 30-17, but fired last week. March is very important, but you still have kids playing basketball for 40 minutes and many times the better team doesn't win.
DiVincenzo is on fire from Rowsey range....
Quote from: willie warrior on March 17, 2018, 11:48:55 AM
I think we all know that Nova is very capable of winning the whole damn thing again this year. That is a team that Wojo should be aspiring to mold us like.
While you are at it, why not UCLA of the 70's, Indiana of the 80's, Duke of the 90's. It's damn hard to replicate what Villanova has done and their fans wanted Wright kicked to the curb only a few years ago, 2013 time frame.
Nova playing horrible
Without Brunson for over 10 min
Still up 5.
Impressive
Nova: 74% of shots from three with the foul trouble. Most impressive is that Wright's teams can adjust based on tempo, situationals, and game flow.
And now Alabama is seeing the same Nova that the BigEast saw this year
When Nova plays like this, they are unbeatable
Up 5 to up 22 in less than 5 minutes. Incredible.
This is NBA-Jam-esque.
They are just so damn good.
Bridges is on fire. Would LOVE to have a player like him.
This 2nd half is the Nova we all know.
Quote from: fjm on March 17, 2018, 12:34:28 PM
Up 5 to up 22 in less than 5 minutes. Incredible.
Feels like the Marquette game. Cain can be Bridges lite in a couple of years.
Villanova's best is better than anybody else's best.
I know I'm in the minority on this, but Nova is an example of how the 3 pointer is ruining old school basketball. There's practically no reason to be a driving/paint oriented team when you are a decent 3 point shooting team and chuck them up. There used to be a good balance but not anymore. Look at Nova in this game: mediocre 3 point shooting but high volume and they had the lead at halftime.
Quote from: Norm on March 17, 2018, 12:36:06 PM
Bridges is on fire. Would LOVE to have a player like him.
Would love to have several of the Nova players.
Quote from: statnik on March 17, 2018, 12:41:50 PM
I know I'm in the minority on this, but Nova is an example of how the 3 pointer is ruining old school basketball. There's practically no reason to be a driving/paint oriented team when you are a decent 3 point shooting team and chuck them up. There used to be a good balance but not anymore. Look at Nova in this game: mediocre 3 point shooting but high volume and they had the lead at halftime.
They had the lead at half because while bamas D was great and limited transition. Novas D was also great and Bama can't shoot(jumpers or free throws)
So much for letting 18-14 Bama in the dance.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 17, 2018, 01:14:24 PM
So much for letting 18-14 Bama in the dance.
But they did beat your Chia Rock Cowboy...
Not all 16 seeds did well yesterday .. WOW.
http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401026141
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 17, 2018, 01:16:46 PM
But they did beat your Chia Rock Cowboy...
2018-19 MEME ALERT: Chia Rock
Quote from: statnik on March 17, 2018, 12:41:50 PM
I know I'm in the minority on this, but Nova is an example of how the 3 pointer is ruining old school basketball. There's practically no reason to be a driving/paint oriented team when you are a decent 3 point shooting team and chuck them up. There used to be a good balance but not anymore. Look at Nova in this game: mediocre 3 point shooting but high volume and they had the lead at halftime.
The two best ways to set up the 3, are drive and dish (requires driving to the paint), and inside out passes to skilled bigs (paint oriented).
It doesn't change the strategy, it changes what the shot looks out. If teams guard the 3, you have to have guys that can punish them in the paint.
Alabama has a top 20 defense. Couldn't do anything against Nova.
And people were upset that Marquette got lit up by Nova
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 17, 2018, 01:53:21 PM
Alabama has a top 20 defense. Couldn't do anything against Nova.
And people were upset that Marquette got lit up by Nova
Their defense is predicated upon being out of control to a a decent extent. Works well against young or poorly coached teams, will be obliterated by senior led teams, with good coaching and an all-American PG.
In contrast, Buzz tried to out crazy them, which let to one of the poorest played games I can remember...ugly basketball. Exciting, but ugly.
Yo Ali what up wit dat white choker thingy, girl????
Quote from: Eldon on March 17, 2018, 12:35:21 PM
This is NBA-Jam-esque.
Put the nail in the coffin.
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 17, 2018, 11:59:47 AM
That's how I feel. Others in this thread don't agree, maybe you and I are tainted because it was our school. That was at the time the worst loss in NCAA history and it didn't help that we had the game absolutely sown up without the collapse.
On that day, my future wife was in a wedding in Dubuque, Iowa and I was her date for the weekend. I missed the game and never forgot how shocked I was about what happened. I think my future in-laws thought I had a heart attack or something.
What we learned was that the Miami of F-ing Ohio game was that the "seashells and balloons" era at Marquette had ended. It wasn't just that we lost to a joke team from a joke school, it was a sign that the Al McGuire era was over. Al never would have let his team lose a game like that.
We never recovered from that loss. Ever. Maybe Wojo will put the final balm on that wound in the years to come.
For Cavalier fans' sake, I do hope that the Baltimore County loss was not the first day of a bad few decades!
Delgado working on a 20/20 game
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 17, 2018, 06:51:01 PM
On that day, my future wife was in a wedding in Dubuque, Iowa and I was her date for the weekend. I missed the game and never forgot how shocked I was about what happened. I think my future in-laws thought I had a heart attack or something.
What we learned was that the Miami of F-ing Ohio game was that the "seashells and balloons" era at Marquette had ended. It wasn't just that we lost to a joke team from a joke school, it was a sign that the Al McGuire era was over. Al never would have let his team lose a game like that.
We never recovered from that loss. Ever. Maybe Wojo will put the final balm on that wound in the years to come.
For Cavalier fans' sake, I do hope that the Baltimore County loss was not the first day of a bad few decades!
I had told all of my friends I was going to Marquette literally one day before that effen game! I heard about it for the rest of the school year!!!
Heartbreak for the Big East and Seton Hall.
Seton Hall fought hard to the end. They gave a great effort. Their seniors had a very good run.
Quote from: TSmith34 on March 17, 2018, 07:34:17 PM
Delgado working on a 20/20 game
Watched the game with some KU folks that i had warned about Delgado. about 10 minutes in: "Jesus, every game?" me: "every f'n game for like a decade"
Ohio State overcoming a horrible start.
Great game.
Quote from: tower912 on March 17, 2018, 08:39:51 PM
Ohio State overcoming a horrible start.
Is it in the B1G bylaws that every team has to have a "Dakich" i.e. over emoting/instantly hatable player?
In the Big East, we call that a Macura.
Go Jesuits, beat the B1G.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 17, 2018, 08:31:48 PM
Seton Hall fought hard to the end. They gave a great effort. Their seniors had a very good run.
Complete underachievers. Won the BET 3 years ago and fell flat repeatedly ever since. 1-3 in the tournament and back to back 10-8 seasons with Delgado, Carrington, Rodriguez, and Sanogo as upperclassmen is pretty poor.
At least they won their first tournament game since 2004.
I really appreciate our FT shooting after watching every other team so far today.
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Quote from: brewcity77 on March 17, 2018, 09:41:58 PM
Complete underachievers. Won the BET 3 years ago and fell flat repeatedly ever since. 1-3 in the tournament and back to back 10-8 seasons with Delgado, Carrington, Rodriguez, and Sanogo as upperclassmen is pretty poor.
Agreed.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 17, 2018, 09:41:58 PM
Complete underachievers. Won the BET 3 years ago and fell flat repeatedly ever since. 1-3 in the tournament and back to back 10-8 seasons with Delgado, Carrington, Rodriguez, and Sanogo as upperclassmen is pretty poor.
Agreed.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 17, 2018, 11:23:52 AM
If BAMA has gas in the tank, (late finish in hard fought game Thursday night), they will give Nova all they can handle. Wouldn't surprise me to see Bama beat Nova.
Great perspective here.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 17, 2018, 09:41:58 PM
Complete underachievers. Won the BET 3 years ago and fell flat repeatedly ever since. 1-3 in the tournament and back to back 10-8 seasons with Delgado, Carrington, Rodriguez, and Sanogo as upperclassmen is pretty poor.
Completely agree. They were loaded and couldn't manage better than an eight seed.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 17, 2018, 09:41:58 PM
Complete underachievers. Won the BET 3 years ago and fell flat repeatedly ever since. 1-3 in the tournament and back to back 10-8 seasons with Delgado, Carrington, Rodriguez, and Sanogo as upperclassmen is pretty poor.
I would trade their performance over the last 4 years for ours.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 17, 2018, 10:41:49 PM
I would trade their performance over the last 4 years for ours.
Probably, but I wouldn't take their next 4 over our next 4. And that's been a relative peak for that program.
Quote from: LAZER on March 17, 2018, 10:49:35 PM
Probably, but I wouldn't take their next 4 over our next 4. And that's been a relative peak for that program.
Yup. Their cliff is going to be huge.
Quote from: naginiF on March 17, 2018, 08:38:00 PM
Watched the game with some KU folks that i had warned about Delgado. about 10 minutes in: "Jesus, every game?" me: "every f'n game for like a decade"
Finished with 24 and 23. Amazing.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 17, 2018, 06:51:01 PM
On that day, my future wife was in a wedding in Dubuque, Iowa and I was her date for the weekend. I missed the game and never forgot how shocked I was about what happened. I think my future in-laws thought I had a heart attack or something.
What we learned was that the Miami of F-ing Ohio game was that the "seashells and balloons" era at Marquette had ended. It wasn't just that we lost to a joke team from a joke school, it was a sign that the Al McGuire era was over. Al never would have let his team lose a game like that.
We never recovered from that loss. Ever. Maybe Wojo will put the final balm on that wound in the years to come.
For Cavalier fans' sake, I do hope that the Baltimore County loss was not the first day of a bad few decades!
I was at the game...sitting close enough to hear them slapping Whitehead's arms. Couldn't even stick around for the next game. Ugh.
Quote from: PTM + Hagans = Us on March 17, 2018, 10:32:44 PM
Great perspective here.
Ha. Yeah. Doors got blown off in the second half. Bad call.
Feel free to reference other ridiculous perspective I've offered as it relates to MU basketball. Btw. Found that Fire Wojo thread I started yet? Better yet, find a post I've made suggesting Wojo should be fired even if we miss NCAA next year. Good luck.
Wow. Michigan. Craziness
Michigan! WOWZERS
Man oh man. This is why I love college bball.
(Whew, my Final Four is still intact)
Nice to see a Milwaukee kid make the game winner for Michigan.
The Milwaukee native Jordan Poole!
What an eff'n tournament so far!
Man do I wish MU was part of this.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 17, 2018, 11:22:26 PM
Nice to see a Milwaukee kid make the game winner for Michigan.
I look forward to next year's NCAA tourney, when maybe a Michigan kid will make the game winner for the Milwaukee team.
Quote from: MU82 on March 17, 2018, 11:27:05 PM
I look forward to next year's NCAA tourney, when maybe a Michigan kid will make the game winner for the Milwaukee team.
We have a winner!
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 17, 2018, 10:41:49 PM
I would trade their performance over the last 4 years for ours.
If Markus, Sam, and Morrow graduate with equal performance to this SHU class in two years, I will consider it the greatest waste of talent we've seen this century, worse that Diener going to the NIT as an upperclassman and worse than Jamil & Davante missing the tourney as seniors because at least those guys had some measure of March success before graduating.
Utter heartbreak for Houston. Make the free throws with 3.6 and the game is over. I feel real bad for the Houston kids. I always like seeing fresh blood move on in the tournament.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on March 18, 2018, 08:21:21 AM
Utter heartbreak for Houston. Make the free throws with 3.6 and the game is over. I feel real bad for the Houston kids. I always like seeing fresh blood move on in the tournament.
The extremes of emotion are what make the tournament - and especially this first weekend - my favorite sporting event all year.
The stunning last-second turnarounds that help teams like Loyola and Michigan to advance...countered by the heartbreaking disbelief of teams like Tennessee and Houston that see their seasons end in a flash.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2018, 12:04:05 AM
If Markus, Sam, and Morrow graduate with equal performance to this SHU class in two years, I will consider it the greatest waste of talent we've seen this century, worse that Diener going to the NIT as an upperclassman and worse than Jamil & Davante missing the tourney as seniors because at least those guys had some measure of March success before graduating.
+1000....mic drop brew
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2018, 12:04:05 AM
If Markus, Sam, and Morrow graduate with equal performance to this SHU class in two years, I will consider it the greatest waste of talent we've seen this century, worse that Diener going to the NIT as an upperclassman and worse than Jamil & Davante missing the tourney as seniors because at least those guys had some measure of March success before graduating.
I agree, and think it is highly likely they will NOT "accomplish"/exceed what Seton Hall's group did. I don't see a Big East Title in next two years. Think it is highly likely Markus/Sam's NCAA tourney record is 1-3 for their career, just as this Seton Hall group accomplished.
Wee recruit Poole, hey?
Quote from: Lazar's Punk'd Headband on March 17, 2018, 11:22:46 PM
The Milwaukee native Jordan Poole!
It's been a good couple of weeks for guys named Jordan P--le.
I saw Beilein at the Milwaukee airport on one of his trips in to see Poole.
Duzant fly charter? Cheap ass employer, hey?
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 18, 2018, 09:54:27 AM
I agree, and think it is highly likely they will NOT "accomplish"/exceed what Seton Hall's group did. I don't see a Big East Title in next two years. Think it is highly likely Markus/Sam's NCAA tourney record is 1-3 for their career, just as this Seton Hall group accomplished.
Could happen because tournies are crapshoots but I think they will have better seeds then Hall did
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 18, 2018, 10:49:39 AM
Could happen because tournies are crapshoots but I think they will have better seeds then Hall did
I feel confident this group will win at least two games in the NCAA tournament over the next two years.
Didn't realize Devin Davis, who missed the FT at the end for Houston, was the guy at IU who was hit by a car driven by a teammate after a night of drinking. One of the early nails in the coffin for TC.
https://www.btpowerhouse.com/2015/5/15/8610819/my-column-tom-crean-makes-necessary-move-with-devin-davis-and-hanner-dismissal-opinion
The foul discrepancy in the Butler-Purdue game is ridiculous right now.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2018, 12:04:05 AM
If Markus, Sam, and Morrow graduate with equal performance to this SHU class in two years, I will consider it the greatest waste of talent we've seen this century, worse that Diener going to the NIT as an upperclassman and worse than Jamil & Davante missing the tourney as seniors because at least those guys had some measure of March success before graduating.
You have a real hate on for SHU.
Cause Purdue is pounding it inside even without Haas. They move the ball real well.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 18, 2018, 12:02:49 PM
You have a real hate on for SHU.
My guess is a lot of Seton Hall fans were disappointed by how the season turned out.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 18, 2018, 12:03:43 PM
My guess is a lot of Seton Hall fans were disappointed by how the season turned out.
Seton Halls fans seemed pretty satisfied with the overall performance of their seniors.
https://setonhall.forums.rivals.com/threads/thank-you.34165/
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 18, 2018, 12:16:27 PM
Seton Halls fans seemed pretty satisfied with the overall performance of their seniors.
https://setonhall.forums.rivals.com/threads/thank-you.34165/
Sure. They are grateful to them. Classy move.
Do you think the fans were satisfied with a grand total of one NCAA win during their career? I doubt it.
Butler getting screwed a bit by officials. They are letting reaches, hacks and going through the shooter on blocks go, while calling touch fouls on the Butler end.
Kind of the typical, "give the benefit of doubt to the bigger team" type of officiating.
Syracuse drags down Sparty.
Quote from: tower912 on March 18, 2018, 04:16:34 PM
Syracuse drags down Sparty.
That damn zone has teams shook.
I thought for sure Dixon would have prepared for that, stopping Cuse back in the first, non-Dayton round.
Quote from: tower912 on March 18, 2018, 04:16:34 PM
Syracuse drags down Sparty.
I considered picking them through to the final four, because that's what Boeheim does. I hate those guys
Big ten also sucks,
Michigan wins on a prayer because houston misses 3 fts in a row on their last two posesions
Purdue struggles mightily with a team that went .500 in the BE
And MSU loses to an 11 seed.
Big ten sucks
Boeheim with one hell of a coaching job today
Glad I didn't buy that MSU hype
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 18, 2018, 04:22:47 PM
I considered picking them through to the final four, because that's what Boeheim does. I hate those guys
Michigan State was stumbling into NCAA. Barely beat Wisconsin two games in a row. Watching some of that game, Michigan State doesn't look that talented. Big Ten was definitely down this year. Purdue with Haas was legit. But outside of that...no bueno.
Sparty settled. Quit working it inside. Shot 3 after 3. The zone worked.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 18, 2018, 04:32:34 PM
Michigan State was stumbling into NCAA. Barely beat Wisconsin two games in a row. Watching some of that game, Michigan State doesn't look that talented. Big Ten was definitely down this year. Purdue with Haas was legit. But outside of that...no bueno.
1. They'd won 14 of 15 prior to today. I mean, not all were blowouts, but hard to call that stumbling.
2. Bridges and Jackson are top 10 picks. Pretty talented.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 18, 2018, 04:37:22 PM
1. They'd won 14 of 15 prior to today. I mean, not all were blowouts, but hard to call that stumbling.
2. Bridges and Jackson are top 10 picks. Pretty talented.
1) True. I guess. But struggled against Wisconsin and Bucknell pretty badly. And those 14 of 15 - only Purdue was a "good win." Lots of games against 50-100 rated teams.
2) Don't know enough about them...just felt watching today they looked pretty slow/unathletic, not very skilled as a TEAM.
Aggies rooooll UNC. Feel bad swaggy isn't part of it
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 18, 2018, 06:20:18 PM
Aggies rooooll UNC. Feel bad swaggy isn't part of it
Yep. Always great to see Roy lose. Shame for Duane to be missing out...
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 18, 2018, 06:20:18 PM
Aggies rooooll UNC. Feel bad swaggy isn't part of it
He's still a part of it. Happy for him.
Remember a little while back when muguru said the Dayton round "wasn't even part of the NCAA tournament" because those teams basically have no shot?
I believe this was the 8th straight year that one of the winners in Dayton went on to win at least one NCAA tournament game. Shaka led VCU from Dayton to the Final Four. And now this year, Syracuse goes from winning in Dayton to the Sweet 16.
I obviously hope we don't have to play in Dayton next March. But as long as you get into the tournament, you have a chance. And Dayton obviously is part of the tournament.
Tom Izzo...past his prime? Recent MSU tournament play has been no bueno.
As soon as I saw Michigan State matched with Syracuse, I figured they were done. Wish I'd put money on it, that was an easy call. As talented as MSU is, they are an awful passing team and you don't beat a zone if you can't pass.
Duke should handle them without too much trouble.
Quote from: MUDish-Hagans Come On Down on March 18, 2018, 06:49:17 PM
Tom Izzo...past his prime? Recent MSU tournament play has been no bueno.
Izzo getting too many one and done types, not enough program types. No senior leadership, no 'coach on the floor' leader with this group.
UVA-done.
ol' Roy- done
Izzo- done
What a first weekend.
Not a sparty backer. Hate that little freaker Izzo.
Quote from: tower912 on March 18, 2018, 06:58:14 PM
Izzo getting too many one and done types, not enough program types. No senior leadership, no 'coach on the floor' leader with this group.
UVA-done.
ol' Roy- done
Izzo- done
What a first weekend.
And Bruce Pearl down 24 at half.
Quote from: MU82 on March 18, 2018, 06:42:44 PM
Remember a little while back when muguru said the Dayton round "wasn't even part of the NCAA tournament" because those teams basically have no shot?
I believe this was the 8th straight year that one of the winners in Dayton went on to win at least one NCAA tournament game. Shaka led VCU from Dayton to the Final Four. And now this year, Syracuse goes from winning in Dayton to the Sweet 16.
I obviously hope we don't have to play in Dayton next March. But as long as you get into the tournament, you have a chance. And Dayton obviously is part of the tournament.
4th time in 8 years that a team from Dayton games went to the second weekend.
After nearly 6 minutes Kansas St. on pace to not score
;D
Most of the cheaters are out
And Cincinnati just blew a 22 point second half lead and lost to Nevada.
It's Nevada v. Loyola in the S16.
Cincinnati led by 22 with 10 1/2 minutes left...and lost. Just in case our 9 point win after having a similar lead felt like a meltdown to anyone.
Go NEVADA WOLF PACK!
Quote from: MUDish-Hagans Come On Down on March 18, 2018, 06:49:17 PM
Tom Izzo...past his prime? Recent MSU tournament play has been no bueno.
he just got nasser'd eyn'ahhh
I forgot how much joy I extract from Mick Cronin losing
Did Nevada only use 6 players again?
Quote from: tower912 on March 18, 2018, 07:19:02 PM
Did Nevada only use 6 players again?
Yep. Looks like one had one rebound and three fouls as his box score, so 6 is even generous.
Eric Musselman having a bit of fun after the game... ;D
https://twitter.com/Efawcett7/status/975526871596085248
Quote from: #bansultan on March 18, 2018, 07:12:54 PM
It's Nevada v. Loyola in the S16.
Let's say it out loud, winner will be playing for trip to the Final Four. Wow!
Picturing a Loyola UMBC match-up in the elite 8. Giggling.
Quote from: tower912 on March 18, 2018, 07:19:02 PM
Did Nevada only use 6 players again?
I was yelling at them to stop running as they made their push and looked gassed at the under 8 break. But incredible resilience and shot making. They were an AMAZING team to watch on late night ESPN, gritty, push the pace and never say die. Cronin made some questionable decisions, but his team sacrifices offense for defense so often, not surprised to see them completely biff it in crunch time.
Hate how the break broke wide open for f-ing UK, but Nevada-UK could be really fun. Provided Sister Jean doesnt have another miracle shot/bounce up under her habit.
Quote from: tower912 on March 18, 2018, 06:58:14 PM
Izzo getting too many one and done types, not enough program types. No senior leadership, no 'coach on the floor' leader with this group.
UVA-done.
ol' Roy- done
Izzo- done
What a first weekend.
I agree with the one and done analysis. Experience matters. The tournament isn't a surprise to me, no dominant teams all year. Most knew this would be a wide open tournament, most wide open since I can remember and that has come to pass.
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 18, 2018, 07:50:36 PM
I agree with the one and done analysis. Experience matters. The tournament isn't a surprise to me, no dominant teams all year. Most knew this would be a wide open tournament, most wide open since I can remember and that has come to pass.
It helps. But. Duke and Kentucky faring well so far. Syracuse is pretty young. Kansas is about as experienced as us. Alabama way less experienced than us. Not one size fits all.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 18, 2018, 07:15:59 PM
he just got nasser'd eyn'ahhh
The f*ck is wrong with you?????
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 18, 2018, 08:08:08 PM
It helps. But. Duke and Kentucky faring well so far. Syracuse is pretty young. Kansas is about as experienced as us. Alabama way less experienced than us. Not one size fits all.
Agree "not one size fits all".
But, short of getting a roster of all top 25 recruits/mcdonald's AAs, experience is a HUGE part of team success.
Compare our recruit/roster composition to other teams. I'm betting, in general, teams that have a similar make-up are more successful if they have more experience.
Kentucky is going to truck either Kansas State or UMBC. By 20 at least.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 18, 2018, 08:25:02 PM
Kentucky is going to truck either Kansas State or UMBC. By 20 at least.
Amazing how their bracket just opened up for them.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 18, 2018, 08:08:08 PM
It helps. But. Duke and Kentucky faring well so far. Syracuse is pretty young. Kansas is about as experienced as us. Alabama way less experienced than us. Not one size fits all.
Duke and Kentucky are one and done factories.
Syracuse is very young....and a coach with what 50? years of experience barely got them into the tournament.
Kansas' 4 best players are upperclassmen (if you use your definition of redshirt sophomores being juniors)....1 of our best 4 players is an upperclassmen
Alabama is less experienced than us and has a less experienced head coach. Coach Johnson is doing a helluva job.
But yes, experience isn't the only factor. But it is a major one.
This Kstate team is so bad
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 18, 2018, 08:39:48 PM
This Kstate team is so bad
with all due respect, they are playing without probably their best player so far-dwade 16.5 ppg 6.3 reb
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 18, 2018, 08:26:26 PM
Amazing how their bracket just opened up for them.
And all after Cal complained and whined ad nauseam about how they got screwed with their draw and put in too hard a bracket.
Announcers calling Macura a March Magician.....
Kanter has improved a great deal the duration of the season. Way more impressive now than in November.
I'm willing to let bygones be bygones and root for JP Macura as long as X is in the tournament if he promises to leave after this year. I don't care where he goes, just leave.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 18, 2018, 09:15:04 PM
Announcers calling Macura a March Magician.....
I hate that pulling for Xavier means tolerating Macura.
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 18, 2018, 09:23:55 PM
I'm willing to let bygones be bygones and root for JP Macura as long as X is in the tournament if he promises to leave after this year. I don't care where he goes, just leave.
I hate Macura, but have to admit, he is a hell of a basketball player.
Quote from: chapman on March 18, 2018, 09:24:53 PM
I hate that pulling for Xavier means tolerating Macura.
I actually kind of like him when we aren't on the receiving end. He's basically their Rowsey
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 18, 2018, 09:23:55 PM
I'm willing to let bygones be bygones and root for JP Macura as long as X is in the tournament if he promises to leave after this year. I don't care where he goes, just leave.
I just had almost the exact same discussion with my daughter when I cheered on a Macura bucket. She said, "It must be rough rooting for a player you hate."
I'm Always 100% Pro-Big East in the dance, but just doesn't feel right cheering for him.
Macura irritates me as well when we play him, but he got 2 bad calls on excellent defensive plays that I saw.
Can't believe I'm saying this, but those last two foul calls on Macura were terrible. He got all ball on the block and the steal and picked up two fouls on both. Really bad calls.
I've watched more NCAA games in the last 4 days than the entire season (MU games not withstanding). 3 things I've consistently disagreed with refs on:
1. Charges - many times, offensive players are already in the air and defensive players slide underneath afterwards.
2. Carrying/palming - happens way too frequently and called not often enough
3. Basket interference - lots of balls still "in the cylinder" that go uncalled
Refs also letting teams trying to come from behind get away with lots of fouls in their attempts to claw back in to the game.
#5 for FSU is a fouling machine right now and refs are letting him do anything he wants.
I'm starting to wish basketball had yellow cards like soccer for embellishment. There have been 3-4 plays I've seen just today on which the refs thankfully didn't fall for the fake crap. It just seems like not getting a foul on a fake head jerk isn't enough punishment.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 18, 2018, 09:43:25 PM
I've watched more NCAA games in the last 4 days than the entire season (MU games not withstanding).
Really. Wow. I watch parts of 40 per week.
Quote from: Norm on March 18, 2018, 09:42:49 PM
Can't believe I'm saying this, but those last two foul calls on Macura were terrible. He got all ball on the block and the steal and picked up two fouls on both. Really bad calls.
Those two calls really changed the momentum of the game.
The refs hate Macura too
effin X. Been bricking FTs all night.
Bluett having a terrible game.
Thank Blueitt, he has 6 turnovers, three in last two minutes. Just terrible ones also.
The turnover leading to a layup and foul a couple minutes ago was very MU like
Quote from: Norm on March 18, 2018, 09:52:41 PM
Refs also letting teams trying to come from behind get away with lots of fouls in their attempts to claw back in to the game.
Was just thinking the same thing
un-effin-believable
Great play. Hold ball and have Kanter take that shot, really.....
Wow that 3 was short AND to the left
Wow, airballing a wide open 3.
They don't even hustle down the court. Had no apparent play called.
Can an end of game possession be more mis-managed.
X blows it. Second year in a row a BE doesn't progress a 1 seed to the S16.
Bluiett with an absolute clunker.
Xavier just gave away MUs money. Idiots
Quote from: #bansultan on March 18, 2018, 10:09:42 PM
X blows it. Second year in a row a BE doesn't progress a 1 seed to the S16.
All on Nova again.
Well that's a real kick in the groin for the Big East. Seton Hall put up a good game, but nothing to dispel that this is Nova and a bunch of wannabes.
Just horrible play down the stretch from X. Macura got jobbed on a bunch of calls but Bluiett was terrible in crunch time.
This tourney is nuts!
Man X just choked.
12 point lead, then turnovers just killed them, each leading to baskets.
Five turnovers in last four minutes, three by Blueitt, who was terrible.
Shame, X had a path there and just blew it.
Two #2s and a #1 lose in the span of a few hours.
Blueit must have had money on Florida st. My god he "slipped" and literally passed right to FSU player back to back possessions wtf lol.. Xavier was not a one seed level team. Anyways nice joke go home. Nova all we got left lol
As someone who watches a ton of NBA basketball but the only college ball I see is every televised Marquette game I'm hoping you all can help me out -- is college coaching always this bad?
Ugly choke by X. And wasting 14 seconds for an air ball by Kanter. Guess we're all in on Nova.
@jeffborzello
Crazy that JP Macura fouled out with only two fouls.
@jeffborzello
The top five teams remaining on the entire left side of the bracket are Michigan (3), Gonzaga (4), Kentucky (5), Texas A&M (7) and Nevada (7).
Whoever is on the city of Cincinnati's suicide hotline tonight is gonna be busy. What a bad couple hours for the Queen City
How much money did Blueitt make to throw that game?
I'm not really kidding with that either. He just handed the ball to FSU repeatedly. If that wasn't intentional he is the worst basketball player in D1 history.
Some real terrible coaches exposed during the opening week.
Bennett - sucks. Miller - sucks. Mack - sucks. Williams - sucks. Izzo - sucks. Smart - sucks. Pearl - sucks. Cooley - sucks. Buzz - sucks. Marshall - sucks. Kruger - sucks. Martin - sucks. Cronin - sucks.
Hopefully, Ners, jonny and a few others will go to all of those coaches' campuses over the next couple of months and show them what they need to do to succeed.
2 out 3 years Xavier let one get away in the 2nd round.
Not great for the Big East, but I've really grown to hate Xavier so I kind of enjoyed watching them choke that away.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2018, 10:14:57 PM
How much money did Blueitt make to throw that game?
I'm not really kidding with that either. He just handed the ball to FSU repeatedly. If that wasn't intentional he is the worst basketball player in D1 history.
Omg I complely agree. That was overtly intentional or he's just terrible. Bizzare
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 18, 2018, 10:11:31 PM
Well that's a real kick in the groin for the Big East. Seton Hall put up a good game, but nothing to dispel that this is Nova and a bunch of wannabes.
I dunno, I thought it was pretty hilarious to see Macura and X go out like that. I definitely don't feel like we still have to love everyone in the league anymore.
Big East is fine, it was a bloodbath for everyone today.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 18, 2018, 10:14:16 PM
Whoever is on the city of Cincinnati's suicide hotline tonight is gonna be busy. What a bad couple hours for the Queen City
I would kill myself. :'(
Overrated, aina?
Quote from: MU82 on March 18, 2018, 10:18:20 PM
Some real terrible coaches exposed during the opening week.
Bennett - sucks. Miller - sucks. Mack - sucks. Williams - sucks. Izzo - sucks. Smart - sucks. Pearl - sucks. Cooley - sucks. Buzz - sucks. Marshall - sucks. Kruger - sucks. Martin - sucks. Cronin - sucks.
Hopefully, Ners, jonny and a few others will go to all of those coaches' campuses over the next couple of months and show them what they need to do to succeed.
I've heard a similar thought about the Georgia coach.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2018, 10:14:57 PM
How much money did Blueitt make to throw that game?
I'm not really kidding with that either. He just handed the ball to FSU repeatedly. If that wasn't intentional he is the worst basketball player in D1 history.
Guess they don't point shave any more, just fix games outright so gamblers can win extra $ on the money line when the dog wins!
Boy, Brew, hope you're kidding when you say you're not really kidding. If not, this may be the silliest post in Scoop history - and I'm not even kidding!
Quote from: MDMU04 on March 18, 2018, 10:20:27 PM
I dunno, I thought it was pretty hilarious to see Macura and X go out like that. I definitely don't feel like we still have to love everyone in the league anymore.
Big East is fine, it was a bloodbath for everyone today.
No love for Macura here, but I think until the Big East proves itself to be more than Nova and ???, we should be cheering for the Big East. The rankings of Creighton and Butler should show that we're not respected on a national level this year
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on March 18, 2018, 10:18:58 PM
2 out 3 years Xavier let one get away in the 2nd round.
At least they have been there them past 3 years. One trip in 5 years sucks.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 18, 2018, 10:22:27 PM
Overrated, aina?
Sagarin, Pomeroy, Nate Silver and yours truly agree.
#crapshoot
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 18, 2018, 10:24:03 PMBoy, Brew, hope you're kidding when you say you're not really kidding. If not, this may be the silliest post in Scoop history - and I'm not even kidding!
The alternative is he's terrible. His last two turnovers in particular looked intentional. The one he threw it right to the defender and the second he softly lobbed it up in the middle of three defenders where only FSU players could get it.
I've watched plenty of Blueitt and never seen him play like he did tonight. Not assertive, not accurate, and became a turnover machine that allowed FSU to make a run. If he doesn't play tonight, I've absolutely zero doubt Xavier wins comfortably.
I can't fathom any explanation for his performance. He played like he wanted the season to be over.
Wtf was Bluiett doing!! That was some of the worst basketball I've ever seen. Dude was bragging about Xavier not being the first #1 seed to lose on Twitter yesterday, shut up and play
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 18, 2018, 10:24:19 PM
No love for Macura here, but I think until the Big East proves itself to be more than Nova and ???, we should be cheering for the Big East. The rankings of Creighton and Butler should show that we're not respected on a national level this year
Creighton had a lousy resume and was seeded accordingly. The rest of the teams from the Big East were honestly just bracket fillers. It would have been nice for some to win a few games, but they didn't. Who cares.
It's not like there was any disrespect from the committee either. The Big East got 2 #1 seeds this year. If the teams are good, they'll get respect.
The league is fine.
It's ok to not actively want a team like X to win games in the tournament. I'll pull for Nova because they're a class bunch. But X? Creighton? No thanks, they can go home.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2018, 10:33:37 PM
The alternative is he's terrible. His last two turnovers in particular looked intentional. The one he threw it right to the defender and the second he softly lobbed it up in the middle of three defenders where only FSU players could get it.
I've watched plenty of Blueitt and never seen him play like he did tonight. Not assertive, not accurate, and became a turnover machine that allowed FSU to make a run. If he doesn't play tonight, I've absolutely zero doubt Xavier wins comfortably.
I can't fathom any explanation for his performance. He played like he wanted the season to be over.
He slipped and partially fell. If you watch the replay, another X player is kind of near him and he also slips.
Quote from: Eldon on March 18, 2018, 10:36:02 PM
He slipped and partially fell. If you watch the replay, another X player is kind of near him and he also slips.
Agreed.
Watching it, I thought, "Crap. He slipped. That sucks."
Never once thought, "Man, dude is throwing the game!"
But I don't own any tin foil, so what do I know?
Xavier had three times as many turnovers (6) in the last five minutes as they did shot attempts (2). And that wasn't West Virginia.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2018, 10:42:28 PM
Xavier had three times as many turnovers (6) in the last five minutes as they did shot attempts (2). And that wasn't West Virginia.
And Kanter took the two shots, right?
Quote from: MDMU04 on March 18, 2018, 10:35:53 PM
Creighton had a lousy resume and was seeded accordingly. The rest of the teams from the Big East were honestly just bracket fillers. It would have been nice for some to win a few games, but they didn't. Who cares.
It's not like there was any disrespect from the committee either. The Big East got 2 #1 seeds this year. If the teams are good, they'll get respect.
The league is fine.
It's ok to not actively want a team like X to win games in the tournament. I'll pull for Nova because they're a class bunch. But X? Creighton? No thanks, they can go home.
+1
I thought the BEast seeding was completely fair. All of the BEast avoided Dayton, for example.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2018, 10:33:37 PM
The alternative is he's terrible.
Well, it's a fact that he's not terrible, so I guess you honestly believe he was in on a scheme to fix the game. Sorry, but that's just whacky.
I'll say this. Blueitt could not have been worse if he was trying to throw the game. I feel that's pretty incontrovertible.
Quote from: chapman on March 18, 2018, 10:14:10 PM
Ugly choke by X. And wasting 14 seconds for an air ball by Kanter. Guess we're all in on Nova.
@jeffborzello
Crazy that JP Macura fouled out with only two fouls.
@jeffborzello
The top five teams remaining on the entire left side of the bracket are Michigan (3), Gonzaga (4), Kentucky (5), Texas A&M (7) and Nevada (7).
I have Michigan in the Final Four, feeling pretty good right now after their miracle win and how the brackets have blown up.
Syracuse won with 3 total assists yesterday!? Crazy...
More curious than Bluitt-gate to me is what do you have to do to look like Leonard Hamilton at age 69.
Quote from: MU82 on March 18, 2018, 10:38:17 PM
But I don't own any tin foil, so what do I know?
You don't own any tin foil? Weird. What do you do with leftovers? Is it a religion thing? The stuff is actually pretty useful. You should get some and try it...just don't put it on your head.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 19, 2018, 07:08:30 AM
More curious than Bluitt-gate to me is what do you have to do to look like Leonard Hamilton at age 69.
Holy crap. He's 69?
Wow he was on the Kentucky staff when it was coached by Joe B. Hall and won the national championship over a pre-Coach K Duke team. The year after Marquette won it.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 19, 2018, 07:08:30 AM
More curious than Bluitt-gate to me is what do you have to do to look like Leonard Hamilton at age 69.
He's been the "next big time coach" for like the last 30 years.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 19, 2018, 07:08:30 AM
More curious than Bluitt-gate to me is what do you have to do to look like Leonard Hamilton at age 69.
I legit thought he was about 50. The fountain of youth must be in Florida after all.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2018, 10:49:21 PM
I'll say this. Blueitt could not have been worse if he was trying to throw the game. I feel that's pretty incontrovertible.
Yep, he was awful. If I had never seen X play before and someone asked me to guess who was first-team all-BE, he would have been about my tenth guess....
Quote from: Eldon on March 18, 2018, 10:36:02 PM
He slipped and partially fell. If you watch the replay, another X player is kind of near him and he also slips.
Does anybody else think there was an inordinate amount of slipping this weekend? I dunno if I just don't notice it watching a few games per week during the regular season, but it seemed like every game I watched had at least 2-3 instances of a player losing his footing. I remember the issue with the logos at MSG in the BET one year, but this seemed to be on open floor across eight different venues.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 18, 2018, 10:14:16 PM
Whoever is on the city of Cincinnati's suicide hotline tonight is gonna be busy. What a bad couple hours for the Queen City
Probably not as busy as you might think because pretty much everyone was devastated by one and elated by the other. All the Bearcats fans were calling, but then once Xavier choked, they started feeling a lot better all of the sudden. And the X fans still had enough residual glee from the Cinci choke that they held it together pretty well.
X was overrated
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 19, 2018, 07:15:31 AM
You don't own any tin foil? Weird. What do you do with leftovers? Is it a religion thing? The stuff is actually pretty useful. You should get some and try it...just don't put it on your head.
I use only aluminum foil.
Actually, your post made me chuckle, so thanks for that!
For all you b-ball junkies. Jordan Howard and Central Arkansas in the CBI quarterfinals going on right now. No idea if it's on tv.
Quote from: Eldon on March 18, 2018, 10:45:38 PM
+1
I thought the BEast seeding was completely fair. All of the BEast avoided Dayton, for example.
I thought Seton Hall could have been a 7, but other than that no, no major gripes. Butler and PC were actually 9s as well but had to get bumped to 10s for bracketing purposes.
My son asked a question last night, that I thought was fun for discussion: "If you put LeBron on a 16-seed, could they win the tournament?" We're in Cleveland, so hopefully you can excuse the bias. But, it's an interesting thought: how far could a 16 make it if you gave them the best player in the NBA (whether you think that is KD, LBJ, Russ, the Greek, Steph, etc.)?
I'm not sure that one player could carry a team to the championship, but it's not unthinkable. Hell, there are people who think Tiger will win the Masters this year. Curious what others think.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 20, 2018, 01:21:43 PM
My son asked a question last night, that I thought was fun for discussion: "If you put LeBron on a 16-seed, could they win the tournament?" We're in Cleveland, so hopefully you can excuse the bias. But, it's an interesting thought: how far could a 16 make it if you gave them the best player in the NBA (whether you think that is KD, LBJ, Russ, the Greek, Steph, etc.)?
I'm not sure that one player could carry a team to the championship, but it's not unthinkable. Hell, there are people who think Tiger will win the Masters this year. Curious what others think.
Depends. Is Ditka the coach, my friend?
Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2018, 01:23:53 PM
Depends. Is Ditka the coach, my friend?
Yes, but it'd be a mini-Ditka.
Any team + LeBron would win it all, IMO.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on March 20, 2018, 01:28:11 PM
Any team + LeBron would win it all, IMO.
Any team - their five best players + any all star would win it all.
Add him to UMBC and they'd do some damage.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on March 20, 2018, 01:28:11 PM
Any team + LeBron would win it all, IMO.
True, but LeBron would likely be held to under 200 points.
Of course LeBron would win the NCAA title with any of the teams that qualified.
That's because he wouldn't have to go up against our stout defense, my friend!
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 20, 2018, 01:21:43 PM
I'm not sure that one player could carry a team to the championship, but it's not unthinkable. Hell, there are people who think Tiger will win the Masters this year. Curious what others think.
If a college age Larry Bird could do it -- a mature LeBron could definitely do it.
Quote from: Anti-Dentite on March 19, 2018, 06:40:05 AM
Syracuse won with 3 total assists yesterday!? Crazy...
I do not think a high assist to basket ratio is a good thing. That means you are not scoring off offensive rebounds and drives to basket.
Basically, indicates that you have an un-athletic team filled with players that cannot create their own shot.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 20, 2018, 01:52:14 PM
If a college age Larry Bird could do it -- a mature LeBron could definitely do it.
Carl nicks says hi
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on March 20, 2018, 01:28:11 PM
Any team + LeBron would win it all, IMO.
It almost worked with Larry Bird.
Bird is just lucky he didn't run up against Sam Worthen that postseason! We had DePaul beat but choked down the stretch!!!
Interesting question. I'm not sure. LeBron couldn't guard all 5 positions...but no triple team could contain him.
In Feb 2003, I went to see LeBron when he was in HS. His team played in an event in Trenton, N.J. The opponent was one of the nation's top-10 teams, Los Angeles Westchester, and they had their own HS All-American in future NBAer Trevor Ariza.
LeBron scored 52 and his team won by 26. He did whatever he wanted on the court, scored whenever and however he wanted. And he was 18. Of course he would destroy any college team now.
In 2002-03, he got suspended twice, once when he suddenly owned a Hummer and the second time when he suddenly owned some vintage jerseys. He beat the rap both times, the jersey one in court. The Trenton event came a couple days after it was ruled he could play.
"If you remember, earlier in the season, after the Hummer investigation, I scored 50. And now, after this investigation, I scored 52."
Here's a little of what I wrote:
Some are disgusted with the KING JAMES tattoo, the CHOSEN ONE shin band and, especially, the worldly possessions he acquires and flaunts despite not having a job.
Like every teenager, he loves stuff - and he loves to flaunt his stuff. Pagers, palm pilots, cell phones, fancy wheels, bling-bling ... what teen wouldn't take all of it if it's handed out on a silver platter?
Besides, money-grubbers have capitalized on James' fame for at least two years.
His Catholic high school has prostituted itself, pocketing more than $1 million by moving home games to big arenas, jetting all over the country for appearance fees, putting games on pay-per-view TV, and inking a lucrative shoe contract with adidas.
At this tournament, the exact same programs that were being sold for $5 Friday were marked up to $10 Saturday.
LeBron shouldn't get his? Please. He's a pro? Hey, they're all freakin' pros.
I went to Trenton sure LeBron would not change my mind that Kevin Garnett was the best high school player I ever have seen. I told myself not to kiss King James' ring.
So shoot me. Twice.
James is at least as good as Garnett was at Chicago's Farragut Academy in 1994-95. Garnett was a nastier defender and harder worker, but James has a much more varied offensive arsenal and more dash.
And how could I not go ga-ga over LeBron after watching him absolutely dominate one of the nation's top 10 prep teams (not to mention 6-8 Westchester forward Trevor Ariza, a UCLA signee)?
Three-pointers. Medium-range jumpers. Finger rolls. Fade-aways. Steals turned into resounding, soaring, one-handed jams. He was an entertainer extraordinaire. When he left with 2:30 to go, James faced the crowd, raised his arms (palms up), and slowly turned in a circle, soaking in the well-earned adulation from all corners of Sovereign Bank Arena.
Basically, James did whatever he wanted whenever he wanted.
Kind of like what he does in real life.
Pucker up, folks. And get used to it.
It was quite an experience. James had entitlement issues even back then, and he obviously has an ego the size of that Hummer he drove. But he's one of the two best players I've ever seen ... and he's closing in on No. 1.
So yeah ... I think he and 4 teammates plucked from UMBC could handle the Syracuse zone.
Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2018, 04:44:31 PM
Pagers, palm pilots,
Hah, kids don't even know what those 2 things are.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 20, 2018, 08:46:50 PM
Hah, kids don't even know what those 2 things are.
Believe me, I thought that as I re-read it! LeBron was cool cuz he had a pager. Funny!
Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2018, 10:46:29 PM
Believe me, I thought that as I re-read it! LeBron was cool cuz he had a pager. Funny!
To be sure, if that was 2003, there is no doubt that it was a Motorola two-way pager.
Which were indeed pretty freaking cool back then (and cost a cool $189)