All day, I was thinking Bring on the Night. Now I am nearly Driven to Tears.
1. It wasn't what MU was doing, it was the Synchronicity of Nova's offense. The run that broke the game open came against man, zone, press, open, contested. Nova can beat you from 5 positions and will likely be a higher seed in the NCAA tourney than the Big East Conference tourney.
2. In the first half, whenever MU played physical, the refs blew their whistles and said Don't Stand so Close to (V). Nova is just bigger, stronger, and better at every position.
3. Markus is now the King of Pain. Running into a screen set by a defensive end.
4. Second half run... O My God. Bombs Away. Every Little Thing (V) does is Magic.
5. It was Murder by Numbers. Clear out the paint and have your bigger, stronger, more physical guards drive against the smaller guards.
6. One day, I want MU to be Walking in (V's) footsteps.
MU was simply overmatched. Competitive for a while, and then Nova happened. As someone who appreciates good basketball, I can't even be that angry. Nova tonight was magnificent. I wish it hadn't happened to MU, but it did. Now, it is in the hands of the committee. FWIW, I don't think MU has played their last game at MSG this year.
NCAA or NIT, I'm with this team. The future is bright.
Someone better call the Police, this loss may Sting on Sunday.
I feel for Rowsey.
I don't know what it ended at, I know Nova shot 68% in the second half, but deep in the second half, they were at around 74% from 3 in the second half, it was ridiculous.
There was literally nothing MU could have done tonight, I don't think MU even played that poorly. Nova was just not losing tonight, period.
They found the proverbial 'another gear'.
Whats wojos record at MSG in four years?
Great synergy in the thread title and OP.
Nova is a great team. We aren't them but I think we came out tough and fought as long as we could. I've been frustrated by Rowsey at times this year but hate to see him go out like that. He's a tough kid and a unique offensive talent. He absolutely belongs at this level. Glad he is one of ours. And frankly, I'm jealous of the money he'll make playing bball in the future.
Fingers crossed for Sunday. If not, still generally optimistic for the future.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2018, 07:58:15 PM
I don't think MU has played their last game at MSG this year.
What's the NIT format? Don't we have to win some games to get back to MSG?
Quote from: MUDish-Hagans Come On Down on March 08, 2018, 08:04:11 PM
I don't know what it ended at, I know Nova shot 68% in the second half, but deep in the second half, they were at around 74% from 3 in the second half, it was ridiculous.
There was literally nothing MU could have done tonight, I don't think MU even played that poorly. Nova was just not losing tonight, period.
They were at over 100 eFG% at one point I think they ended North of a 100, JB ?
This team has been a roller coaster but if this game set you off wtf is wrong with you? Nova is probably the best team in the country. We have one senior. We're gonna be a coin flip on Sunday but that's kinda what we all could have hoped for going into the year.
I can't. I can't. I can't stand losing...
MU banged up. Boys gave it their all but boys vs. men. Andrew hits 1000 points at two D1 schools. Special. Need some major athletes to move up
NIT here we come!
Len Elmore doesn't like MU's chances to make the tourney...I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
Len Elmore you say . . . No point in watching the selection show.
Despite the same record and better RPI than last year, this team was Murder(ed) by Numbers.
The most positive takeaway for me the last two nights has been Sacar. We knew he was our best defender all year, but his offensive game has improved by leaps and bounds this year. He had a couple of 3's in the BET that looked almost as smooth as the Big 3. I'm excited to see him continue to improve.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 08, 2018, 08:24:33 PM
The most positive takeaway for me the last two nights has been Sacar. We knew he was our best defender all year, but his offensive game has improved by leaps and bounds this year. He had a couple of 3's in the BET that looked almost as smooth as the Big 3. I'm excited to see him continue to improve.
Sacar had a good two days but I'm still extremely high on Greg and Jamal, both have a little mikal bridges in them, and that can only be seen as a good thing
Really proud of the team tonight. I really hope Rowsey gets to play in the NCAA tourney. I couldn't help but feel awful for him tonight.
I don't get how anyone can be mad. It was beautiful basketball Nova was playing and they're simply an awesome, well coached, well run, team. I'll be rooting for them and the rest of the BEast.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 08, 2018, 08:24:33 PM
The most positive takeaway for me the last two nights has been Sacar. We knew he was our best defender all year, but his offensive game has improved by leaps and bounds this year. He had a couple of 3's in the BET that looked almost as smooth as the Big 3. I'm excited to see him continue to improve.
I agree but he took two threes in a row during the second half drubbing that he really should not have taken (at least the second). He's most effective when he attacks the basket, and that's been a great part of his improvement.
Quote from: MUDish-Hagans Come On Down on March 08, 2018, 08:18:10 PM
Len Elmore doesn't like MU's chances to make the tourney...I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
I'm now confident in our chances. Did he think our lack of NYC guys hurt our chances?
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 08, 2018, 08:46:03 PM
I'm now confident in our chances. Did he think our lack of NYC guys hurt our chances?
I'm still convinced that Elmore doesn't know what a travel is after that Pitt game however many years ago. Sam Young, I tell ya what
1. Watching the way Villanova played, it wasn't a tough loss to take at all. They were incredible tonight.
2. I am really, really glad I avoided the game thread. Glancing at it after the game...when Sand is the calm voice of reason something is seriously wrong.
3. I can't even find a player to dislike on Nova. I guess I'll have to settle for hating Philadelphia.
4. Wouldn't at all mind seeing Nova win it all again.
5. Let's pray for an 11 seed play-in game, otherwise a strong run in the NIT
1) I had low expectations for this game, so I am not at all disappointed. I saw no way with the money on the line that Villanova would lose. They are a great team and a team for which the Big East should be proud.
2) The game showed how far we still have to go to be as good as we want to be. There were moments in the first half, yes, where we stayed close, but Villanova showed the difference between our talent, our team and our coaching and their's. We're getting better but we have a ways to go.
3) Help is on the way. The question is whether Wojo can take what we have and what's coming and mold what Jay Wright seems to do year in and year out.
4) I'd love to see us in the NCAA but candidly, I'm don't have a lot of enthusiasm for either the NCAA or the NIT. If NCAA, we'll get creamed by the second round -- or sooner depending on who we play. If NIT, what's the point?
I thought the refs did a great job tonight. Much better all around from yesterday.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 08, 2018, 09:22:28 PMIf NIT, what's the point?
Any postseason play (tonight's game included) gives the entire team valuable experience. Especially the freshmen. Success in the NIT against quality competition can carry over into the next season.
For myself, I want to see Marquette keep playing as long as possible. That means less time to wait during the interminable offseason.
More Marquette basketball is better than less Marquette basketball
Nova was amazing. Class program, well coached, and they play great basketball. I will chose them to win the tournament.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2018, 07:58:15 PM
All day, I was thinking Bring on the Night. Now I am nearly Driven to Tears.
1. It wasn't what MU was doing, it was the Synchronicity of Nova's offense. The run that broke the game open came against man, zone, press, open, contested. Nova can beat you from 5 positions and will likely be a higher seed in the NCAA tourney than the Big East Conference tourney.
2. In the first half, whenever MU played physical, the refs blew their whistles and said Don't Stand so Close to (V). Nova is just bigger, stronger, and better at every position.
3. Markus is now the King of Pain. Running into a screen set by a defensive end.
4. Second half run... O My God. Bombs Away. Every Little Thing (V) does is Magic.
5. It was Murder by Numbers. Clear out the paint and have your bigger, stronger, more physical guards drive against the smaller guards.
6. One day, I want MU to be Walking in (V's) footsteps.
MU was simply overmatched. Competitive for a while, and then Nova happened. As someone who appreciates good basketball, I can't even be that angry. Nova tonight was magnificent. I wish it hadn't happened to MU, but it did. Now, it is in the hands of the committee. FWIW, I don't think MU has played their last game at MSG this year.
Yup. Wojo has us trending up...er...sideways. Wojo will never have us walking in Villanova path. Face it, he is a mediocre coach in a big time league. We will be same same with this guy. R.I.P.
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Quote from: willie warrior on March 09, 2018, 06:15:42 AM
Yup. Wojo has us trending up...er...sideways. Wojo will never have us walking in Villanova path. Face it, he is a mediocre coach in a big time league. We will be same same with this guy. R.I.P.
I think this is a bit harsh at this point.
Yes, we should have blown DePaul out so badly that they'd be looking for their arms and legs all the way back to Chicago. And, we certainly hoped going into Villanova that we would look better than we did. Keep in mind though that we were playing a legitimate contender for the national championship and nobody with an ounce of sense thought we were that good. If that's the standard you hold a coach to in his fourth year, you would have fired Al McGuire by 1967, because we were nowhere as good as UCLA, yet.
It's easy to forget that Wojo inherited a toxic dumpster fire when he came here. He's had to build a system, recruit players and teach. I'd probably agree that some of the guys he recruited were somewhat one dimensional. Also, Wojo missed on a couple, which is pretty normal for any coach. But a coach has to build a block at a time.
We all want what Al did. He made the NIT final game in his third year at a time when the NIT meant something. But one must understand that we played in a very different world in 1966 than we do today. We played mostly what today we would call mid-majors and we tapped a recruiting pool that most colleges in the United States overlooked. A team looking for a quick rebuild in those days also could cheat much easier than it can today, not that Al did but many competitors did.
The real problem with Wojo is that you expected a rookie coach who played for and coached with Coach K to come in and basically be a younger version of Coach K. He may be but running him off the reservation and starting over condemns us to five years of mediocrity and this old Warrior hasn't got the patience for THAT.
Like many posters, next year will tell. We have extremely high expectations for next year and either Coach Wojo delivers or we have this debate in earnest -- we and the Board of Trustees!
Quote from: MUDish-Hagans Come On Down on March 08, 2018, 08:18:10 PM
Len Elmore doesn't like MU's chances to make the tourney...I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
Not enough players from NYC for Len.
A younger version of coach K had very similar success to Wojo in his first four seasons...
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 09, 2018, 07:38:40 AM
A younger version of coach K had very similar success to Wojo in his first four seasons...
No argument Brother TAMU.
Also, keep in mind that in Al's third or fourth season, we actually played UCLA in the Milwaukee Classic. UCLA was the standard to which every other college basketball program longed (the Villanova or Duke of its day). It was the only time in the Al era we played UCLA.
The results were not pretty. We did not win. Nobody called for Al's head after that one or suggested that Al would be but a mediocre coach. In fact, it was another decade before we actually won a national championship!
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 09, 2018, 07:06:43 AM
I think this is a bit harsh at this point.
Yes, we should have blown DePaul out so badly that they'd be looking for their arms and legs all the way back to Chicago. And, we certainly hoped going into Villanova that we would look better than we did. Keep in mind though that we were playing a legitimate contender for the national championship and nobody with an ounce of sense thought we were that good. If that's the standard you hold a coach to in his fourth year, you would have fired Al McGuire by 1967, because we were nowhere as good as UCLA, yet.
It's easy to forget that Wojo inherited a toxic dumpster fire when he came here. He's had to build a system, recruit players and teach. I'd probably agree that some of the guys he recruited were somewhat one dimensional. Also, Wojo missed on a couple, which is pretty normal for any coach. But a coach has to build a block at a time.
We all want what Al did. He made the NIT final game in his third year at a time when the NIT meant something. But one must understand that we played in a very different world in 1966 than we do today. We played mostly what today we would call mid-majors and we tapped a recruiting pool that most colleges in the United States overlooked. A team looking for a quick rebuild in those days also could cheat much easier than it can today, not that Al did but many competitors did.
The real problem with Wojo is that you expected a rookie coach who played for and coached with Coach K to come in and basically be a younger version of Coach K. He may be but running him off the reservation and starting over condemns us to five years of mediocrity and this old Warrior hasn't got the patience for THAT.
Like many posters, next year will tell. We have extremely high expectations for next year and either Coach Wojo delivers or we have this debate in earnest -- we and the Board of Trustees!
I think Wojo is slowly (too slowly, perhaps) moving us in the right direction. Big thing, because we are not going to get Duke level talent, is to keep the support guys we need to be successful happy. Otherwise we never get to the always old type teams we are going to have to be for success. While they weren't stars, Duane Wilson or Traci Carter would have been very helpful pieces on this team. Cheatham, too. We need guys like that to stay and improve if we are ever going to be what Wojo envisions us being, a team with not very top tier but very good talent that is always experienced.
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 09, 2018, 07:47:38 AM
Big thing, because we are not going to get Duke level talent, is to keep the support guys we need to be successful happy.
We need guys like that to stay and improve if we are ever going to be what Wojo envisions us being, a team with not very top tier but very good talent that is always experienced.
I absolutely disagree with this theory.
Top talent will come to Marquette when it is advantageous for top talent to come to Marquette. We're getting a few very good players and we're doing well, but we have to advance to the Elite 8 or Sweet 16 regularly for the very top talent to come here.
My view is that Wojo envisions us as being a team likely to compete regularly for the national championship. We're clearly not there yet, but it is coming.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 09, 2018, 07:56:32 AM
I absolutely disagree with this theory.
Top talent will come to Marquette when it is advantageous for top talent to come to Marquette. We're getting a few very good players and we're doing well, but we have to advance to the Elite 8 or Sweet 16 regularly for the very top talent to come here.
My view is that Wojo envisions us as being a team likely to compete regularly for the national championship. We're clearly not there yet, but it is coming.
I like the way you think, but your premise is that we'll start getting the top level talent when we regularly get to the Sweet Sixteen or Elite 8. How are we going to do that without the top level talent? I think by getting the next level talent and keeping them here and molding them as a team, which requires keeping guys who are role players early in their career around.
Let's introduce Rollie Massimino into the conversation. Aparently the Villanova Board of Trustees get it. Face it, Villanova are winners. Now we will see if we can become winners at the level of Duke or Vilanova or the other "blue bloods". The great coaches ALL have long track records, that is the great definition of greatness. No flash in the pans need apply.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 09, 2018, 06:15:42 AM
Yup. Wojo has us trending up...er...sideways. Wojo will never have us walking in Villanova path. Face it, he is a mediocre coach in a big time league. We will be same same with this guy. R.I.P.
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Jay Wright had a losing record after his first four years as a head coach, and he was coaching in a much less competitive league than the BE. Even once he got to Nova, he didn't make the dance until year four.
Just sayin'.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 09, 2018, 07:43:40 AM
No argument Brother TAMU.
Also, keep in mind that in Al's third or fourth season, we actually played UCLA in the Milwaukee Classic. UCLA was the standard to which every other college basketball program longed (the Villanova or Duke of its day). It was the only time in the Al era we played UCLA.
The results were not pretty. We did not win. Nobody called for Al's head after that one or suggested that Al would be but a mediocre coach. In fact, it was another decade before we actually won a national championship!
I find that hard to believe. I've got to think there were fans in the stands or watching on TV that complained that Al wasn't any good and didn't deserve to coach the Warriors. There wasn't a public forum like this to capture it, but I'm sure it happened. In the heat of the moment of a loss, fans do this. Thank God these fans are not administrators.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 09, 2018, 08:21:19 AM
Jay Wright had a losing record after his first four years as a head coach, and he was coaching in a much less competitive league than the BE. Even once he got to Nova, he didn't make the dance until year four.
Just sayin'.
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Well sayin don't make it so, Joe. Please keep comparing Wright to Wojo. Wright has Villanova at an elite level with a title. The only run Wojo has is to the toilet(don't believe it?--has trounble beating the doormat of BEast). Let us know when Wojo gets a national championship, then we can compare Wright and Wojo. Just sayin.
Quote from: MUpilot on March 08, 2018, 08:30:07 PM
Really proud of the team tonight. I really hope Rowsey gets to play in the NCAA tourney. I couldn't help but feel awful for him tonight.
I don't get how anyone can be mad. It was beautiful basketball Nova was playing and they're simply an awesome, well coached, well run, team. I'll be rooting for them and the rest of the BEast.
Villanova was ridiculous. At one point, we had the ball down 14 with 11:42 to go. We scored on 4 out of 5 possessions, didn't turn the ball over, fouled once and at 8:16 we were down by 21.
From 11:14 to 5:06, points scored on Nova's offensive possessions were 3 (Paschall), 3 (Spellman), 3 (Brunson), 3 (Spellman), 3 (Bridges), 2 (Brunson, missed the and-one FT), 2 (Paschal), 3 (Bridges), 3 (Spellman).
Nine straight makes from the floor, seven from 3. 25 points in 9 possessions (2.78 pts/possession, including a missed FT).
Incredible, even if no one was playing defense.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 09, 2018, 08:42:14 AM
I find that hard to believe. I've got to think there were fans in the stands or watching on TV that complained that Al wasn't any good and didn't deserve to coach the Warriors. There wasn't a public forum like this to capture it, but I'm sure it happened. In the heat of the moment of a loss, fans do this. Thank God these fans are not administrators.
Was there TV games back then? The social network was bars.
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 09, 2018, 10:29:07 AMVillanova was ridiculous. At one point, we had the ball down 14 with 11:42 to go. We scored on 4 out of 5 possessions, didn't turn the ball over, fouled once and at 8:16 we were down by 21.
From 11:14 to 5:06, points scored on Nova's offensive possessions were 3 (Paschall), 3 (Spellman), 3 (Brunson), 3 (Spellman), 3 (Bridges), 2 (Brunson, missed the and-one FT), 2 (Paschal), 3 (Bridges), 3 (Spellman).
Nine straight makes from the floor, seven from 3. 25 points in 9 possessions (2.78 pts/possession, including a missed FT).
Incredible, even if no one was playing defense.
Great breakdown. Villanova is scary good. According to KenPom.com, Marquette now has the 12th toughest schedule in the country. We played 6 of our 32 games (almost 20% of the schedule) against Top 10 opponents: Purdue (#5), Xavier (#10) twice and Nova (#2) three times. Plus Wichita State (#17). Plus home and away matchups with Butler (#24), Seton Hall (#26) and Creighton (#27).
In spite of that gauntlet, Marquette won 4 of 6 against those last three teams. And we finished a single game out of 3rd place in the conference. I'll be disappointed if we miss the NCAAs. But coming so close with this team has me very excited about next season.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 09, 2018, 09:27:24 AM
Well sayin don't make it so, Joe. Please keep comparing Wright to Wojo. Wright has Villanova at an elite level with a title. The only run Wojo has is to the toilet(don't believe it?--has trounble beating the doormat of BEast). Let us know when Wojo gets a national championship, then we can compare Wright and Wojo. Just sayin.
I did not compare Wojo to Wright. I provided an example of a coach who started slowly and became very successful to show that patience can pay off. Get the difference?
Just sayin.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 09, 2018, 10:33:51 AM
Was there TV games back then? The social network was bars.
Correct, no TV, we went to games or listened on radio. The bars were great, booze, bookies and b's.
I don't recall anybody knowing what McGuire was really up to.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 09, 2018, 07:56:32 AM
I absolutely disagree with this theory.
Top talent will come to Marquette when it is advantageous for top talent to come to Marquette. We're getting a few very good players and we're doing well, but we have to advance to the Elite 8 or Sweet 16 regularly for the very top talent to come here.
My view is that Wojo envisions us as being a team likely to compete regularly for the national championship. We're clearly not there yet, but it is coming.
"Compete regularly for the national championship?" Please give us the evidence that "is coming". 2015-16: 20-13; 2016-17: 19-13; 2017-18: 19-13. (sorry, did not look up so may have 1 number wrong, but you get the point). "Regularly?" Looks more like we will compete for mediocrity regularly.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 09, 2018, 11:57:26 AM
I did not compare Wojo to Wright. I provided an example of a coach who started slowly and became very successful to show that patience can pay off. Get the difference?
Just sayin.
Move the goal posts by saying the example was used to say that patience pays off. The statement also can be interpreted that you are comparing Wojo to Wright. Either way, patience has already worn thin. But, I know, we will be really, really, really good next year, or maybe the year after. And then we can all say that patience paid off. Hope you are right. But our program and its resources should be doing way better. Just sayin.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 09, 2018, 11:57:26 AM
I did not compare Wojo to Wright. I provided an example of a coach who started slowly and became very successful to show that patience can pay off. Get the difference?
Just sayin.
What in-game coaching moments/roster management/playing time decisions can you point to in 4-years that give you hope/confidence Wojo can evolve into a top-shelf coach like Jay Wright?
I just don't see it. Feel he's improved slightly from the very, very low floor he set his first year on the job.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 09, 2018, 02:08:22 PM
"Compete regularly for the national championship?" Please give us the evidence that "is coming". 2015-16: 20-13; 2016-17: 19-13; 2017-18: 19-13. (sorry, did not look up so may have 1 number wrong, but you get the point). "Regularly?" Looks more like we will compete for mediocrity regularly.
Willie, Willie, Willie.
Don't be a nattering nabob of negativism. Our talent is improving and I'd even argue that Wojo is doing a better job of recruiting and developing freshmen than the Hillbilly did.
Like you, I wanted us back in the Final Four a year ago. But patience is a virtue and underlying those records is a touch schedule and some good wins. We just need more of them.
We'll get there. The question is when. I do hope it's soon and I'm optimistic we're going to get there. But if we ever lose to DePaul again, I think Wojo goes for a walk in Lake Michigan with concrete overshoes!
Just kidding Coach! ;D
Quote from: willie warrior on March 09, 2018, 02:15:28 PM
Move the goal posts by saying the example was used to say that patience pays off. The statement also can be interpreted that you are comparing Wojo to Wright. Either way, patience has already worn thin. But, I know, we will be really, really, really good next year, or maybe the year after. And then we can all say that patience paid off. Hope you are right. But our program and its resources should be doing way better. Just sayin.
I didn't move the goalposts, and I certainly NEVER compared Wojo to Wright. You simply misinterpreted a simple, clear statement.
RIF. Just sayin'.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 09, 2018, 02:17:09 PM
What in-game coaching moments/roster management/playing time decisions can you point to in 4-years that give you hope/confidence Wojo can evolve into a top-shelf coach like Jay Wright?
I just don't see it. Feel he's improved slightly from the very, very low floor he set his first year on the job.
Hey Wile E. Ners, Sooper Genius ...
Did you see Jay Wright early in his coaching career?
What in-game coaching moments/roster management/playing time decisions can you point to in 4-years at Hofstra gave you hope/confidence that Wright - who went 50-63 - could even land a D1 coaching job?
Did you see Jay Wright early in his Villanova days?
What in-game coaching moments/roster management/playing time decisions can you point to after he went 52-46 (with zero postseason tournament appearances) that gave you hope/confidence he could evolve into a top-shelf coach like, well, any successful D1 coach at all?
Oh, and while you're at it, look up Coach K's early coaching record, too.
Quote from: MU82 on March 09, 2018, 03:36:39 PM
Hey Wile E. Ners, Sooper Genius ...
Did you see Jay Wright early in his coaching career?
What in-game coaching moments/roster management/playing time decisions can you point to in 4-years at Hofstra gave you hope/confidence that Wright - who went 50-63 - could even land a D1 coaching job?
Did you see Jay Wright early in his Villanova days?
What in-game coaching moments/roster management/playing time decisions can you point to after he went 52-46 (with zero postseason tournament appearances) that gave you hope/confidence he could evolve into a top-shelf coach like, well, any successful D1 coach at all?
Oh, and while you're at it, look up Coach K's early coaching record, too.
No. Never watched Hofstra in Jay Wright's time there. All I've got is from Wikipedia:
In 1994, Wright was named head coach at Hofstra University, which had struggled through most of the 1980s and early '90s. Under Wright, the program slowly and steadily improved, and by 1999 the Pride were a premier team in the America East Conference. They won the conference championship in 2000 and 2001, and from 1999–2001, went 72–22, including two NCAA tournament appearances. Wright was named America East Coach of the Year in 1999–2000 and 2000–2001. He was also tabbed Eastern Basketball's Coach of the Year in 1999–2000.
Now, the difference between Wojo and Wright is that Wojo walked into a program that was a perennial Top 25-30 program over the past decade. If Wojo can replicate Wright's trajectory, I'll be thrilled. Wright team's at Hofstra in conference play:
5-11
5-12
9-9
11-7
14-4
16-2
16-2
Wojo?
4-14
8-10
10-8
9-9
You really think we will see something like a 14-4 season next year? I can say with 100% confidence Steve Wojochieski will NEVER approach anywhere near the levels of success of Coach K or Jay Wright. Hell, I'll be thrilled as can be if Wojo can get to Tom Crean's level of success at MU.
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 09, 2018, 10:29:07 AM
Villanova was ridiculous. At one point, we had the ball down 14 with 11:42 to go. We scored on 4 out of 5 possessions, didn't turn the ball over, fouled once and at 8:16 we were down by 21.
From 11:14 to 5:06, points scored on Nova's offensive possessions were 3 (Paschall), 3 (Spellman), 3 (Brunson), 3 (Spellman), 3 (Bridges), 2 (Brunson, missed the and-one FT), 2 (Paschal), 3 (Bridges), 3 (Spellman).
Nine straight makes from the floor, seven from 3. 25 points in 9 possessions (2.78 pts/possession, including a missed FT).
Incredible, even if no one was playing defense.
Seeing this in numbers is almost as crazy as it was watching it play out. I don't remember the last time I witnessed a blitz like that. Just an absolute buzz saw.
And even crazier is I don't know that I've ever seen a team play better in a 24 point loss
It was. Open shots, contested shots, no matta. From everyone and everywhere. I started laughing.
Quote from: tower912 on March 09, 2018, 03:53:21 PM
It was. Open shots, contested shots, no matta. From everyone and everywhere. I started laughing.
Yeah, it was quite a show Nova put on.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 09, 2018, 03:50:08 PM
No. Never watched Hofstra in Jay Wright's time there. All I've got is from Wikipedia:
In 1994, Wright was named head coach at Hofstra University, which had struggled through most of the 1980s and early '90s. Under Wright, the program slowly and steadily improved, and by 1999 the Pride were a premier team in the America East Conference. They won the conference championship in 2000 and 2001, and from 1999–2001, went 72–22, including two NCAA tournament appearances. Wright was named America East Coach of the Year in 1999–2000 and 2000–2001. He was also tabbed Eastern Basketball's Coach of the Year in 1999–2000.
Now, the difference between Wojo and Wright is that Wojo walked into a program that was a perennial Top 25-30 program over the past decade. If Wojo can replicate Wright's trajectory, I'll be thrilled. Wright team's at Hofstra in conference play:
5-11
5-12
9-9
11-7
14-4
16-2
16-2
Wojo?
4-14
8-10
10-8
9-9
You really think we will see something like a 14-4 season next year? I can say with 100% confidence Steve Wojochieski will NEVER approach anywhere near the levels of success of Coach K or Jay Wright. Hell, I'll be thrilled as can be if Wojo can get to Tom Crean's level of success at MU.
OK, I can live with most of this, as it's a bunch of opinions.
Facts are not your friends; you don't really care for them. But you do have lots of opinions, as we all do.
Unlike most of us, you have a way of stating your opinions that scream: "I'M RIGHT AND EVERYBODY WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS A MORON!" And then you state them over and over and over, because, hell, that's what people do when they have 100% confidence that they are right and everybody else is wrong about everything.
It's that special way you have that led to you being voted off Scoop Island. And if I were a betting man, I'd wager that you're on your way out again. Because you can't help yourself.
You think Wojo will be a failure. That's your opinion. You are a hater, and what you hate most is being wrong. So MY opinion is that you will be rooting strongly against MU next season so that you can trumpet "I told you so" for years.
You will deny that you will be rooting against our team next season, but that will be a lie. In my opinion.
Have a nice night.
Quote from: MU82 on March 09, 2018, 04:36:25 PM
OK, I can live with most of this, as it's a bunch of opinions.
Facts are not your friends; you don't really care for them. But you do have lots of opinions, as we all do.
Unlike most of us, you have a way of stating your opinions that scream: "I'M RIGHT AND EVERYBODY WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS A MORON!" And then you state them over and over and over, because, hell, that's what people do when they have 100% confidence that they are right and everybody else is wrong about everything.
It's that special way you have that led to you being voted off Scoop Island. And if I were a betting man, I'd wager that you're on your way out again. Because you can't help yourself.
You think Wojo will be a failure. That's your opinion. You are a hater, and what you hate most is being wrong. So MY opinion is that you will be rooting strongly against MU next season so that you can trumpet "I told you so" for years.
You will deny that you will be rooting against our team next season, but that will be a lie. In my opinion.
Have a nice night.
So..now listing the records of Wright at Hofstra and Wojo at MU is opinion and not fact?
I've never ONCE rooted against MU in my life nor will I ever. So. Sorry bud..but you are wrong.
I can appreciate your optimistic outlook in life. That is nice. Pleasant in fact. Optimism is a good quality. Generally I'm an optimistic person. Certainly wish Wojo inspired optimism in me. But. He doesn't. As a coach. Seemingly nice enough/solid guy though.
I was ALL IN on Buzz early his first year on the job..to the point some here got annoyed. So..it's simply a function of calling it as I see it. If I'm wrong about Wojo, I'll be more than happy to admit it and revel in his success...as MU basketball is my only sports passion.
Don't minimize the fact that our defense helped Nova look fookin' awesome, hey?
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 09, 2018, 03:00:44 PM
Willie, Willie, Willie.
Don't be a nattering nabob of negativism. Our talent is improving and I'd even argue that Wojo is doing a better job of recruiting and developing freshmen than the Hillbilly did.
Like you, I wanted us back in the Final Four a year ago. But patience is a virtue and underlying those records is a touch schedule and some good wins. We just need more of them.
We'll get tIhere. The question is when. I do hope it's soon and I'm optimistic we're going to get there. But if we ever lose to DePaul again, I think Wojo goes for a walk in Lake Michigan with concrete overshoes!
Just kidding Coach! ;D
Ok. Wojo is greater than Wright, because you believe Wojo has done better than Wright in first 4 years. And we need to be more patient because you believe we will soon be in final 4. When will that be? See no evidence of that, so answer that question, Capt. Patience? And we should give him a 10 extension with a hefty buy out since he is so good, and we need him for the long haul. I feel much better now, knowing that Wojo will have us regularly competing for national championships. Thank you for pulling blinders from my eyes. Competing regularly for national championships is beyond my wildest dreams. Thank you for just sayin that.
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 09, 2018, 10:29:07 AM
Villanova was ridiculous. At one point, we had the ball down 14 with 11:42 to go. We scored on 4 out of 5 possessions, didn't turn the ball over, fouled once and at 8:16 we were down by 21.
From 11:14 to 5:06, points scored on Nova's offensive possessions were 3 (Paschall), 3 (Spellman), 3 (Brunson), 3 (Spellman), 3 (Bridges), 2 (Brunson, missed the and-one FT), 2 (Paschal), 3 (Bridges), 3 (Spellman).
Nine straight makes from the floor, seven from 3. 25 points in 9 possessions (2.78 pts/possession, including a missed FT).
Incredible, even if no one was playing defense.
Last night against Butler, these were Nova's possessions from the opening tip to the 11:13 mark:
3 (Bridges), 2 (Bridges), 3 (Paschall), 2 FTs Brunson, [missed 3 by Bridges, but kept possession with offensive board], 2 (Paschall, missed the and-one FT), 2 (Bridges), 2 (Brunson), [TO by Booth], 3 (Spellman), [missed 3 by Booth], 3 (Booth), 2 FTs (Booth), 2 (Booth), 2 (Brunson).
Fourteen possessions, 28 points on 10-12 shooting and 4-5 FTs. Not quite what they did against us in terms of efficiency, but still 2.0 ppp...and the barrage lasted almost 9 minutes.
And they did it against a pretty good Butler team.