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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: denverMU on March 07, 2018, 07:27:37 PM

Title: I love Buzz.....
Post by: denverMU on March 07, 2018, 07:27:37 PM
Foookin beat the No Dicks by 20!
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: jesmu84 on March 07, 2018, 07:38:19 PM
Quote from: denverMU on March 07, 2018, 07:27:37 PM
Foookin beat the No Dicks by 20!

Superbar.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: denverMU on March 07, 2018, 07:44:00 PM
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 07, 2018, 07:38:19 PM
Superbar.
Bullsh@t, now more ND BS, flop, flop BS foul
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: IrwinFletcher on March 07, 2018, 07:59:45 PM
Quote from: denverMU on March 07, 2018, 07:27:37 PM
Foookin beat the No Dicks by 20!

I continue to be amazed at people who post comments about a game/team/player before said game is over.   ::)
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: BM1090 on March 07, 2018, 08:02:47 PM
What a collapse.

Good coaching, Buzz!
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: fjm on March 07, 2018, 08:04:19 PM
Quote from: denverMU on March 07, 2018, 07:27:37 PM
Foookin beat the No Dicks by 20!

VTECH! Killing em!

This my friends is how you goof up.

Still a chance though! Let's go tech!
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Newsdreams on March 07, 2018, 08:05:25 PM
Vtech blowing a big lead, fire Buzz
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Smokin' Jae on March 07, 2018, 08:05:53 PM
Reminds me of the time buzz and the boys blew something like a 18 point lead with 5 minutes to go against louisville. Completely stoped running an offense and tried to hold on for dear life. Horrible coaching by buzz in this one as well.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on March 07, 2018, 08:06:31 PM
Can't beat Wisconsin last year in the NCAA Tournament. Now, blew a 21 point lead tonight.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: NickelDimer on March 07, 2018, 08:06:33 PM
VT's entire offense down the stretch was to shoot 3's. And they missed all of them.  Wtf happened to paint touches?
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 07, 2018, 08:06:39 PM
Needs a new lucky look after that choke job.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: skianth16 on March 07, 2018, 08:07:47 PM
Oooohhhh boyyy, this was not what I expected about an hour ago
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Newsdreams on March 07, 2018, 08:09:43 PM
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 07, 2018, 08:06:33 PM
VT's entire offense down the stretch was to shoot 3's. And they missed all of them.  Wtf happened to paint touches?
Got flushed down the toilet, but not by Buzz
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Newsdreams on March 07, 2018, 08:10:57 PM
They have us as in on ESPN?  8-)
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 07, 2018, 08:13:32 PM
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 07, 2018, 08:09:43 PM
Got flushed down the toilet, but not by Buzz

Needed a toilet knife, aina?
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Pakuni on March 07, 2018, 08:14:28 PM
This aged poorly in record time.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: peterpan on March 07, 2018, 08:14:59 PM
Epic choke
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: D'Lo Brown on March 07, 2018, 08:15:10 PM
Quote from: denverMU on March 07, 2018, 07:27:37 PM
Foookin beat the No Dicks by 20!

What are your feelings on Buzz
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Newsdreams on March 07, 2018, 08:15:53 PM
That sucked
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Otule's Glass Eye on March 07, 2018, 08:16:13 PM
Don't make a thread like this 45 minutes before the game ends lol
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: denverMU on March 07, 2018, 08:16:37 PM
I hate Buzz he sucks
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 07, 2018, 08:16:41 PM
Buzz Williams staying true to what he did here... somehow people forget games like these
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: NickelDimer on March 07, 2018, 08:16:46 PM
21 point lead. Yikes
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 07, 2018, 08:19:19 PM
Dribble hand off around the perimeter n chuck 3s.  VT sinply abandoned any offense whatsoever.

Additionally that TO was BS.  Double tech.  When a little prick like That rips a ball out of a guys hands that shoukd have been the first tech.  Bad officiating imo
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: MU82 on March 07, 2018, 08:20:39 PM
Although I wish Buzz hadn't blown the game because ND is the only team I truly hate, it is hilarious that this thread was started and the point made with such certainty that ND was going down.

Obviously, Buzz is a very good coach. Even very good coaches blow 21-point leads sometimes.

What happened in this game from the time the first post was made is an example of one of the MANY reasons I never go on the MU game threads. I give myself enough stress watching the Warriors. I don't need the "help" - ha!
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Mutaman on March 07, 2018, 08:23:10 PM
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 07, 2018, 08:16:41 PM
Buzz Williams staying true to what he did here... somehow people forget games like these

You're right. Can't remember any "games like these".
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: fjm on March 07, 2018, 08:23:29 PM
Not surprised by the loss. DenverMU must be wicked annoyed his boy Buzz lost.

Having said that, I'm actually really angry Varech lost.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 07, 2018, 08:27:17 PM
Quote from: Mutaman on March 07, 2018, 08:23:10 PM
You're right. Can't remember any "games like these".

In case this isn't sarcasm Florida State, Washington, Louisville all come to mind without any research at all
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Floorslapper on March 07, 2018, 08:29:24 PM
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 07, 2018, 08:16:41 PM
Buzz Williams staying true to what he did here... somehow people forget games like these

Yea.  People tend to excuse some of those collapse games due the the fact he got us to Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Elite 8, and a 6 seed with a team of 7 players, 2 of whom were under 5'10", and not one player over 6'6"

But..a brutal loss by VaTech and Buzz tonight.  At least he has the wins over Number 1 Virginia and Number 3 Duke to fall back on.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: willie warrior on March 07, 2018, 08:31:30 PM
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on March 07, 2018, 08:02:47 PM
What a collapse.
Much like the Louisville meltdown when buzz blew a 20 point lead with mu back in the day
The lonesome cowboy.
Good coaching, Buzz!
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Mutaman on March 07, 2018, 08:46:35 PM
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 07, 2018, 08:27:17 PM
In case this isn't sarcasm Florida State, Washington, Louisville all come to mind without any research at all

Please. Lost to a 22-10 Florida State team by one point. Were rewarded for a 20 plus win season by having to play Washington in Northern California and then were totally ripped off by the officials. Lost to a ranked louisville team by one point on the road.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: jesmu84 on March 07, 2018, 08:56:08 PM
Quote from: Mutaman on March 07, 2018, 08:46:35 PM
Please. Lost to a 22-10 Florida State team by one point. Were rewarded for a 20 plus win season by having to play Washington in Northern California and then were totally ripped off by the officials. Lost to a ranked louisville team by one point on the road.

what does that have to do with losing a game after building a big lead?
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Mutaman on March 07, 2018, 09:13:53 PM
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 07, 2018, 08:56:08 PM
what does that have to do with losing a game after building a big lead?

It happens to everybody particularly against a good team on the road.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 07, 2018, 09:16:08 PM
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 07, 2018, 08:29:24 PM
Yea.  People tend to excuse some of those collapse games due the the fact he got us to Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Elite 8, and a 6 seed with a team of 7 players, 2 of whom were under 5'10", and not one player over 6'6"

But..a brutal loss by VaTech and Buzz tonight.  At least he has the wins over Number 1 Virginia and Number 3 Duke to fall back on.

Yep. Even established coaches who are amongst the best in the business have epic collapses. That's why freaking out when a younger more inexperienced coach does it doesn't make much sense.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 07, 2018, 09:44:11 PM
Quote from: Mutaman on March 07, 2018, 08:46:35 PM
Please. Lost to a 22-10 Florida State team by one point. Were rewarded for a 20 plus win season by having to play Washington in Northern California and then were totally ripped off by the officials. Lost to a ranked louisville team by one point on the road.

All of which we blew massive leads. If we don't blow that lead then you're saying we beat a 21-11 FSU team. We weren't totally ripped off there were like two bad calls down the stretch we blew that game. Yes we lost to a ranked Louisville team after up 18!
.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: skianth16 on March 07, 2018, 09:50:44 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 07, 2018, 09:16:08 PM
Yep. Even established coaches who are amongst the best in the business have epic collapses. That's why freaking out when a younger more inexperienced coach does it doesn't make much sense.

No one is ever going to watch a big lead evaporate and think that it's OK. Just because it has happened, doesn't mean it should be expected. I'm not sure what VaTech's win probability was tonight with 15 minutes to play, but I'd guess it was in the 80s or 90s. That loss is going to make any fan mad. And that's perfectly reasonable.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 07, 2018, 10:08:04 PM
Quote from: skianth16 on March 07, 2018, 09:50:44 PM
No one is ever going to watch a big lead evaporate and think that it's OK. Just because it has happened, doesn't mean it should be expected. I'm not sure what VaTech's win probability was tonight with 15 minutes to play, but I'd guess it was in the 80s or 90s. That loss is going to make any fan mad. And that's perfectly reasonable.

Absolutely agree. But holding up a single collapse as a reason to fire a coach is not reasonable, nor is saying it should never happen or is unacceptable.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: PVMagic on March 07, 2018, 10:23:46 PM
What's up with Ahmed Hill's minutes? Mind games?
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: WarriorDad on March 07, 2018, 11:30:41 PM
Coach still taking it out on MU.  That stinker didn't help us, and it helps Notre Dame.  What a punch to the gonads.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Archies Bat on March 07, 2018, 11:34:51 PM
Buzz never seemed to care about conference tournaments.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: WarriorDad on March 07, 2018, 11:35:59 PM
Quote from: Mutaman on March 07, 2018, 08:46:35 PM
Please. Lost to a 22-10 Florida State team by one point. Were rewarded for a 20 plus win season by having to play Washington in Northern California and then were totally ripped off by the officials. Lost to a ranked louisville team by one point on the road.

How we lost was the issue.  Playing Washington in Northern California? I'm sure there are plenty of graduates there, but that's still 850 miles away.  A game we should have won. The Louisville game I thought Crean was coaching, so many nail biters with Louisville over the years.  Florida State loss took a half to cough up, not that big a deal.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: #UnleashSean on March 07, 2018, 11:37:38 PM
I think people need to stop thinking a 17 point lead with a half to play is some insurmountable amount to come back from. It's not 1954.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: wadesworld on March 07, 2018, 11:45:20 PM
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on March 07, 2018, 11:37:38 PM
I think people need to stop thinking a 17 point lead with a half to play is some insurmountable amount to come back from. It's not 1954.

It's a game you should absolutely win.

It was also 21 with under 14 minutes left. That should be an insurmountable lead 100% of the time.

27 point swing in 14 minutes.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Mutaman on March 08, 2018, 02:38:30 AM
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 07, 2018, 09:44:11 PM
All of which we blew massive leads. If we don't blow that lead then you're saying we beat a 21-11 FSU team. We weren't totally ripped off there were like two bad calls down the stretch we blew that game. Yes we lost to a ranked Louisville team after up 18!
.

1. We had beaten a ranked Michigan the night before and then ran out of gas against another ranked FSU team the following evening.

2. In the Washington game the officials called the game very close in the first half putting MU in foul trouble despite their lead, and then when Washington put on full court pressure in the second half, the refs swallowed their whistles. Not an embarrassment against what was essentially a road game against a good team.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 08, 2018, 06:13:47 AM
I don't think Florida State and Washington were that big of deals. Those games happen occasionally to most teams.

Louisville. That was bad.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: cheebs09 on March 08, 2018, 06:24:53 AM
Quote from: Mutaman on March 08, 2018, 02:38:30 AM
1. We had beaten a ranked Michigan the night before and then ran out of gas against another ranked FSU team the following evening.

2. In the Washington game the officials called the game very close in the first half putting MU in foul trouble despite their lead, and then when Washington put on full court pressure in the second half, the refs swallowed their whistles. Not an embarrassment against what was essentially a road game against a good team.

Also, I believe we were an over seeded 6 seed and Washington was an under seeded 11 seed. It was more of an 8/9 game. I think the world of college basketball is no lead is all that safe.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: brewcity77 on March 08, 2018, 06:34:32 AM
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 07, 2018, 09:44:11 PM
All of which we blew massive leads. If we don't blow that lead then you're saying we beat a 21-11 FSU team. We weren't totally ripped off there were like two bad calls down the stretch we blew that game. Yes we lost to a ranked Louisville team after up 18!
.

+1

That entire season was made up of "games like these". Defeat snatched from the jaws of victory over and over and over again. That 2-5 start to Big East play included 4 losses we absolutely could've won and gave away late. I still remember watching that first Villanova loss at Highbury and when we seemed to have it locked up, the bartender asked me why I was so nervous. I said "they're gonna give that lead up, because that's just what they do." And sure enough, they did.

To their credit, they either figured out how to win or just took advantage of a softening schedule, but it sure came back to bite them in the ass against Washington.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: pbiflyer on March 08, 2018, 07:36:45 AM
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 07, 2018, 09:44:11 PM
All of which we blew massive leads. If we don't blow that lead then you're saying we beat a 21-11 FSU team. We weren't totally ripped off there were like two bad calls down the stretch we blew that game. Yes we lost to a ranked Louisville team after up 18!
.

If you are talking about the Orlando tournament game, it was the 3rd game in three days. I was at that game.  We were short handed. They were exhausted. There was nothing left in the tank.  They could barely walk after that game.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 08, 2018, 09:32:22 AM
Quote from: pbiflyer on March 08, 2018, 07:36:45 AM
If you are talking about the Orlando tournament game, it was the 3rd game in three days. I was at that game.  We were short handed. They were exhausted. There was nothing left in the tank.  They could barely walk after that game.

They could walk enough to build a 16(?) point lead and choke it away with about 5min left. Look I'm not making indictments about that team. My point is Buzz had a propensity for building big leads that would disappear at the end of the game and we'd end up losing and somehow all the people who are hating on Wojo forget that.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Golden Avalanche on March 08, 2018, 09:36:04 AM
Quote from: Archies Bat on March 07, 2018, 11:34:51 PM
Buzz never seemed to care about conference tournaments.

Early on with Crean's players, Buzz was pretty good in MSG. Later on in his tenure at Marquette, Buzz was very poor in MSG. Decidedly mixed record.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: tower912 on March 08, 2018, 09:37:16 AM
I love Buzz, too.  But his poop stinks and when attempting to walk on water, he sinks.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Floorslapper on March 08, 2018, 09:40:09 AM
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 08, 2018, 09:32:22 AM
They could walk enough to build a 16(?) point lead and choke it away with about 5min left. Look I'm not making indictments about that team. My point is Buzz had a propensity for building big leads that would disappear at the end of the game and we'd end up losing and somehow all the people who are hating on Wojo forget that.

Personally I'd be happy if Wojo could get us to the point of building big leads against Top 20 caliber teams, even if it resulted in us blowing some of those leads. 

You seem to struggle making the distinction in grace between Buzz and Wojo.  Buzz earned the grace through skins on the wall/post season success.  So far, our crowning achievement in 4-years of Wojo's tenure was beating Number 1 Nova last season, and getting an NCAA bid, only to be blown the F out in Round 1.

Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Golden Avalanche on March 08, 2018, 09:45:32 AM
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 08, 2018, 09:40:09 AM
Personally I'd be happy if Wojo could get us to the point of building big leads against Top 20 caliber teams, even if it resulted in us blowing some of those leads.

You seem to struggle making the distinction in grace between Buzz and Wojo.  Buzz earned the grace through skins on the wall/post season success.  So far, our crowning achievement in 4-years of Wojo's tenure was beating Number 1 Nova last season, and getting an NCAA bid, only to be blown the F out in Round 1.

This is absolute bull$hit and ridiculous to write, utter, or even think.

No way any MU fan, most especially you, would handle in a mature fashion Wojo coaching a team that blows double digit leads resulting in losses multiple times a season. Fantasy porn.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: WarriorDad on March 08, 2018, 09:49:09 AM
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 08, 2018, 09:40:09 AM
Personally I'd be happy if Wojo could get us to the point of building big leads against Top 20 caliber teams, even if it resulted in us blowing some of those leads. 

You seem to struggle making the distinction in grace between Buzz and Wojo.  Buzz earned the grace through skins on the wall/post season success.  So far, our crowning achievement in 4-years of Wojo's tenure was beating Number 1 Nova last season, and getting an NCAA bid, only to be blown the F out in Round 1.

Blown out by a Final Four team in which we were tied with roughly 9 minutes to play and ran out of gas.  Anyone that watches the NCAA tournament should know style of play and match ups are so important.  USC a bad match up for several teams which is why they went to the Final Four and damn near played for the national title.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 08, 2018, 09:50:59 AM
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 08, 2018, 09:40:09 AM
Personally I'd be happy if Wojo could get us to the point of building big leads against Top 20 caliber teams, even if it resulted in us blowing some of those leads. 

You seem to struggle making the distinction in grace between Buzz and Wojo.  Buzz earned the grace through skins on the wall/post season success.  So far, our crowning achievement in 4-years of Wojo's tenure was beating Number 1 Nova last season, and getting an NCAA bid, only to be blown the F out in Round 1.

And Buzz's crown achievement, at the point of the Washington, was taking our best team since the FF and losing in the round of 32 and beating no13 Villanova. Then taking us out in the round of 64 after coughing up a massive lead.

Hindsight is 20/20 with Buzz but people are much harsher on Wojo.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: MU90620 on March 08, 2018, 10:31:47 AM
Quote from: pbiflyer on March 08, 2018, 07:36:45 AM
If you are talking about the Orlando tournament game, it was the 3rd game in three days. I was at that game.  We were short handed. They were exhausted. There was nothing left in the tank.  They could barely walk after that game.

I don't want to get involved in this disagreement, but these facts are incorrect.  I went to all 3 games.  We beat Xavier on Thanksgiving day in the afternoon.  We then beat Michigan on Friday afternoon.  Saturday was an off day as it always is in the Orlando tournament, because they don't want to compete with college football (specifically the Florida/Florida State game).  We then loss to FSU in the championship game which started at 9:00PM on Sunday night.  So the Michigan game ended at about 3PM on Friday and the FSU game started at 9PM on Sunday.  I don't think fatigue was a factor.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Floorslapper on March 08, 2018, 11:15:10 AM
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 08, 2018, 09:50:59 AM
And Buzz's crown achievement, at the point of the Washington, was taking our best team since the FF and losing in the round of 32 and beating no13 Villanova. Then taking us out in the round of 64 after coughing up a massive lead.

Hindsight is 20/20 with Buzz but people are much harsher on Wojo.

Say what?  None of this makes any sense.  Buzz's crowning achievement was the Elite 8.
Two Sweet 16s.  Yes, we lost in Round of 32, without Dominic.  Blew a lead against Washington in the Round of 64 - but the mere fact we were in NCAA that year was a coaching marvel.

To the bolded - Because Wojo hasn't achieved anything close to what Buzz did.

Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 08, 2018, 11:23:12 AM
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 08, 2018, 11:15:10 AM
Say what?  None of this makes any sense.  Buzz's crowning achievement was the Elite 8.
Two Sweet 16s.  Yes, we lost in Round of 32, without Dominic.  Blew a lead against Washington in the Round of 64 - but the mere fact we were in NCAA that year was a coaching marvel.

To the bolded - Because Wojo hasn't achieved anything close to what Buzz did.

Reading comprehension is a skill you should develop. Where my previous statement says "and buzz's crown achievement, at the point of Washington, was..." means that the time frame I'm referring to was up to the end of buzz's second year when these types of losses were considerably more frequent.
Title: Re: I love Buzz.....
Post by: cheebs09 on March 08, 2018, 12:58:09 PM
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 08, 2018, 09:50:59 AM
And Buzz's crown achievement, at the point of the Washington, was taking our best team since the FF and losing in the round of 32 and beating no13 Villanova. Then taking us out in the round of 64 after coughing up a massive lead.

Hindsight is 20/20 with Buzz but people are much harsher on Wojo.

I would say getting to the Top 10 prior to our 4 year starting PG getting hurt with his first team would be a decent achievement.
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