1. The team has more resilience than the Scoop denizens.
2. Froling = Kinsella His defense on Govan was no worse than anyone else's.
3. Those missed lay ups go for Cain in 8 months and 15 lbs. He played well tonight. In on defense with 45 seconds left.
4. Not Sacar's best night.
5. Freshmen are like a box of chocolates. You never know what you are going to get. Before Froling played his minutes, I was going to point out that it was nothing but freshmen off of the bench.
6. How high to you play your defense on that last play of regulation? With no time outs to set up. If a foul had been committed at half court, there would be an equal amount of whining and complaining. Damned if you do...........
7. The doubling of Govan was somewhat effective. The zone got gashed, Wojo went man. If the zone had worked, he would have stayed with it.
8. 3 pt shooting vs. free throws tonight.
9. How anybody can still make the argument that Elliott should be taking minutes from Howard or Rowsey is beyond me. Situational defensive switch? OK. Actually play major minutes at their expense? Ludicrous.
10. As it rang through the arena at the end of the overtime..... We are.... Marquette.
Ok when was the last time MU hit 18 threes in a game?
Fook GT and Ewing.
11. This team is a finite number of lucky bounces, calls, etc. away from being like 11-6 in the BEAST. Unfortunately they're also the same amount of bounces away from being 6-11. Our record is fair, we need a needle moving defensive philosophy over the summer.
12. NIT should be the expectation for this season regardless of the outcome of today's game.
Was a very exciting Big East game tonight. Love this conference and it will only get better over time. Sam is a pure pleasure to watch. The kid is so fundamentally sound. JJJ knew best when he said Sam was his favorite college basketball player last year.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 26, 2018, 08:21:19 PM
11. This team is a finite number of lucky bounces, calls, etc. away from being like 11-6 in the BEAST. Unfortunately they're also the same amount of bounces away from being 6-11. Our record is fair, we need a needle moving defensive philosophy over the summer.
Joey 6'9
Bailey 6'9
Morrow 6'7 load
Ike 6'10
No more getting pushed around. A graduate PG away from some serious damage.
Quote from: GoldenZebra on February 26, 2018, 08:19:48 PM
Ok when was the last time MU hit 18 threes in a game?
Never, do believe that's a team record. Think the previous was 15 or 16 set earlier this year
Quote from: willie warrior on February 26, 2018, 08:20:25 PM
Fook GT and Ewing.
It really weirded me out to hear the announcers call him Pat Ewing. It just sounds wrong
People love Howard and Rowsey together when shots fall, hate it when they don't.
Sam was awesome with clutch shot at end of regulation.
Sacar has miracle game, then downhill since. Why does he keep throwing balls to fans?
Rowsey out of control at times, but when he gets it going, watch out.
Still too many fouls, 24 to 8 fits made tonight. Cut down on them, those stupid turnovers and win next two. Fun game to watch with the threes being made.
18 makes against Chicago State earlier this year.
Including 11 from Howard, 6 from Rowsey and 1 for Cain
Kept the season alive with a win. A win over creighton and one in the big east tournament going to be enough?
Have to beat SJU at MSG. Ick.
Quote from: tower912 on February 26, 2018, 08:41:01 PM
Have to beat SJU at MSG. Ick.
Tough game. We have to get the NY area faithful out to root the team on. I know I will be going if I am in town.
I think we might count this as the game where the Big 3 finally played well together.
The fact that a thread popped up about not missing Rowdy in a game where he had 28 points, 4 rebounds, 10 assists, and 3 turnovers is hilarious.
Zone got shredded. Playing one midget at a time also got shredded. Maybe not the miracle cures that were promised.
I love watching Cain rebound. He gets ALL the way up there.
Rolling Froling! He finally got to see the ball go through the hoop. Not going to get overly excited but maybe this lift the lid for him so to speak.
Where's Sacar?
That pick and pop play with Rowdy and Hauser is so so deadly. Hauser's only miss of the night was on that play that Wojo called out of timeout. Thought it was a great call but was worried that a missed shot on a perfect play call would be the difference. Still found a way to win.
There was a stretch where Georgetown got three crazy bounces in a row that led to three pointers. One bounced off a guy's foot and went straight to a wide open Blair. Boys didn't let it phase them.
That 20 point swing nearly broke me. Fortuantely, the team is more resilient than I am and didn't give in.
I managed to make it through the game without yelling until the last second layup by Mulmore. Heldt literally stepped out of the way and gave him a clear path to the bucket.
Survive and advance! Two more wins to have a shot!
Quote from: tower912 on February 26, 2018, 08:41:01 PM
Have to beat SJU at MSG. Ick.
Weird enough over the years. Not many St. John's fan are at the games in the Big East Tournament. That said, I agree with your point.
Quote from: tower912 on February 26, 2018, 08:41:01 PM
Have to beat SJU at MSG. Ick.
I know we haven't been good at MSG, but their record at MSG in the Big East Tournament the past 8 years is 2-8. They got one win against a terrible Rutgers team 8 years ago and won the 8/9 game against Georgetown last year. That includes a couple NCAA teams and another 20-win team. As bad as we've been at MSG, I think St. John's has been worse in the BET.
Quote from: tower912 on February 26, 2018, 08:41:01 PM
Have to beat SJU at MSG. Ick.
No, beat Creighton and hall loses to Butler and Nova(very likely), and they are the 6th seed.
Quote from: muguru on February 26, 2018, 08:54:34 PM
No, beat Creighton and hall loses to Butler and Nova(very likely), and they are the 6th seed.
When you say very likely, do you just mean Nova? Because SHU beat Butler on the road and will almost certainly be favored on Saturday.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on February 26, 2018, 08:47:50 PM
Weird enough over the years. Not many St. John's fan are at the games in the Big East Tournament. That said, I agree with your point.
Might work in our favor. Is a road win against St. John's a higher quadrant than a neutral GTown/DePaul win?
Take this win and run for the hills
Quote from: muguru on February 26, 2018, 08:54:34 PM
No, beat Creighton and hall loses to Butler and Nova(very likely), and they are the 6th seed.
Yep, we beat Creighton and then maybe other options open up.
Quote from: cheebs09 on February 26, 2018, 08:57:36 PM
Might work in our favor. Is a road win against St. John's a higher quadrant than a neutral GTown/DePaul win?
It won't be listed as a road game.
Quote from: Babybluejeans on February 26, 2018, 09:06:08 PM
It won't be listed as a road game.
It will, actually. Played on SJU's home floor so it counts that way
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 26, 2018, 08:54:25 PM
I know we haven't been good at MSG, but their record at MSG in the Big East Tournament the past 8 years is 2-8. They got one win against a terrible Rutgers team 8 years ago and won the 8/9 game against Georgetown last year. That includes a couple NCAA teams and another 20-win team. As bad as we've been at MSG, I think St. John's has been worse in the BET.
Smoked them in 09 by 30. That was a good day.
I miss the 16 team tournament.
Quote from: tower912 on February 26, 2018, 08:23:41 PM
Joey 6'9
Bailey 6'9
Morrow 6'7 load
Ike 6'10
No more getting pushed around. A graduate PG away from some serious damage.
We'll certainly have length and height, I hope the brawn comes. For as much praise that Todd Smith and the strength program/resources get, its seems like we sure get out-muscled a lot over the years. I acknowledge guys do seem to make strides (JJJ, Heldt for example), we just don't typically have the Theo and Morrow types very often it seems. Interesting that Jae and DJO, two of our more physical guys, were all jucos that came in pretty well developed. Ultimately, I suppose it is probably more the recruiting profile and the era in which there really aren't that many 4-year guys to build up over an extended period rather than the strength program itself. Regardless, it sure will be nice to see John and Morrow push some people around next year rather than vice versa.
What a great win and entertaining game tonight.
Quote from: StillWarriors on February 26, 2018, 09:43:29 PM
We'll certainly have length and height, I hope the brawn comes. For as much praise that Todd Smith and the strength program/resources get, its seems like we sure get out-muscled a lot over the years. I acknowledge guys do seem to make strides (JJJ, Heldt for example), we just don't typically have the Theo and Morrow types very often it seems. Interesting that Jae and DJO, two of our more physical guys, were all jucos that came in pretty well developed. Ultimately, I suppose it is probably more the recruiting profile and the era in which there really aren't that many 4-year guys to build up over an extended period rather than the strength program itself. Regardless, it sure will be nice to see John and Morrow push some people around next year rather than vice versa.
What a great win and entertaining game tonight.
Jimmy F Butler was a worthy transformation. He left MU with an NBA-ready frame. He hadn't arrived with one.
Quote from: AZWarrior on February 26, 2018, 09:47:41 PM
Jimmy F Butler was a worthy transformation. He left MU with an NBA-ready frame. He hadn't arrived with one.
That's true. I had thought of him, but then thought he was defined but still pretty lean when he went pro. It's amazing how big he and Wes have gotten over the years.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on February 26, 2018, 09:12:58 PM
It will, actually. Played on SJU's home floor so it counts that way
Quote from: Babybluejeans on February 26, 2018, 09:06:08 PM
It won't be listed as a road game.
Does anyone know a definitive ruling on this.
Quote from: forgetful on February 26, 2018, 10:34:47 PM
Does anyone know a definitive ruling on this.
Looked at least year. SJU BET game listed as home game.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 26, 2018, 08:45:39 PM
There was a stretch where Georgetown got three crazy bounces in a row that led to three pointers. One bounced off a guy's foot and went straight to a wide open Blair. Boys didn't let it phase them.
I actually bemoaned that sequence and, as usual, my poor dog had to leave the room because she doesn't like hearing me swear loudly at the TV!
But I do like that this team has not been fazed by the bad bounces.
There have been a few times that some of the Debbie Downerest of our Debbie Downers here at Scoop have opined that Wojo was losing the team or that the players were quitting on him, but I have seen no signs of that. This team has worked hard and fought hard. The boyz have been resilient. Often, they've made too many mistakes or have simply been not good enough on a given night, but they ain't quitters.
At least the people crying for a 2-3 and our two best scorers to only average 40 combined minutes per game are quiet tonight.
This wasn't hard. We played 1 great half of basketball going 2-3 and with only one of Howard/Rowsey in the game. No doubt it was some great basketball. But we also then played the worst team in the Big East and got a win with it. Cool, not sure what we can take away form that, some people think it spells out the blueprint to MU success. Others see it for what it is and it's a win we should've had.
So really other than one 20 minute half of basketball, our man to man is much better than our zone defense. And without question we are a better team when both Howard and Rowsey are on the floor together. Are there times where the ball stops moving because one/both of them go into hero ball mode, and at those times we'd be better off with only one of them in? Sure. But like when our season turned last year by inserting Rowsey into the starting lineup to go along with Howard, those two paired with Hauser leaves a tough defensive gameplan for our opposition.
Quote from: skianth16 on February 26, 2018, 08:25:14 PM
It really weirded me out to hear the announcers call him Pat Ewing. It just sounds wrong
No, they called Ewinn (You-Enn).
Those guys were pretty bad. No idea that the scoreboard was wrong? No idea.
Quote from: tower912 on February 26, 2018, 08:16:23 PM
10. As it rang through the arena at the end of the overtime..... We are.... Marquette.
That crowd was pathetic, but those cheers were loud and clear! Awesome.
Quote from: WE R FINAL FOUR on February 26, 2018, 11:11:02 PM
No, they called Ewinn (You-Enn).
Those guys were pretty bad. No idea that the scoreboard was wrong? No idea.
That was pretty embarrassing, but I could see how it happened.
I was talking to the TV: "We're up 4 ... Wojo ain't sayin' anybody should foul anybody!"
Quote from: MU82 on February 26, 2018, 11:14:58 PM
That was pretty embarrassing, but I could see how it happened.
I was talking to the TV: "We're up 4 ... Wojo ain't sayin' anybody should foul anybody!"
Unless he's brought in Jason Kidd as a consultant.
Quote from: MU82 on February 26, 2018, 11:14:58 PM
That was pretty embarrassing, but I could see how it happened.
I was talking to the TV: "We're up 4 ... Wojo ain't sayin' anybody should foul anybody!"
I had to rewind because I was second guessing myself. The whole thing was ridiculous.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 26, 2018, 10:35:52 PM
Looked at least year. SJU BET game listed as home game.
That's a plus. We still may end up getting DePaul again though. Wouldn't be surprised to see St. John's win one of their last two.
If so, they get the tiebreaker based on their win against Nova'.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 26, 2018, 08:45:39 PM
I managed to make it through the game without yelling until the last second layup by Mulmore. Heldt literally stepped out of the way and gave him a clear path to the bucket.
Something liberating about that DePaul loss. That for me meant the end of the NCAA hopes. So I wasn't as nuts about the outcome of this game and could just enjoy a great, fun, college basketball game.
Quote from: tower912 on February 26, 2018, 08:16:23 PM
4. Not Sacar's best night.
Georgetown had enough size and quickness to prevent him from getting to the rim. Take that away from him, and not much to offer at the offensive end at this point. Georgetown denied that at a cost, as last night was the most good looks at the three we've had in over a month.
I think Sacar is the key to the Creighton game, because they don't have an obvious guy to stop him without leaving one of our shooters open.
yeah Sacar was a non factor last night, but Jamal really stepped up. He was so close on a couple of those
lay ups. Needs to work on his left hand, love these freshmen.
If anyone else posted about this, I missed it.
Does anyone think that maybe the reason that last Hoya bucket in regulation went basically uncontested was because at least some of the guys on the floor thought that Sam's shot was a 3-pointer? I sure did watching at home. If they weren't looking at his feet (and there certainly wasn't time to look up at the scoreboard), it wasn't unreasonable to think that.
Quote from: warriorchick on February 27, 2018, 08:21:31 AM
If anyone else posted about this, I missed it.
Does anyone think that maybe the reason that last Hoya bucket in regulation went basically uncontested was because at least some of the guys on the floor thought that Sam's shot was a 3-pointer? I sure did watching at home. If they weren't looking at his feet (and there certainly wasn't time to look up at the scoreboard), it wasn't unreasonable to think that.
Not a bad theory. It would explain why Heldt stepped out of the way and allowed a virtually uncontested layup
Good game. Great win. Let's shoot for three in a row.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 27, 2018, 08:26:44 AM
Not a bad theory. It would explain why Heldt stepped out of the way and allowed a virtually uncontested layup
Yep. I was literally yelling at the TV, "Everyone get out of his way!" and was confused when the Hoya fans started going crazy after the bucket. IIRC, the TV angle for Sam's shot only showed him from the knees up.
Quote from: connie on February 27, 2018, 08:27:12 AM
Good game. Great win. Let's shoot for three in a row.
Let's start with two!
Quote from: warriorchick on February 27, 2018, 08:33:04 AM
Yep. I was literally yelling at the TV, "Everyone get out of his way!" and was confused when the Hoya fans started going crazy after the bucket. IIRC, the TV angle for Sam's shot only showed him from the knees up.
Yes! I thought the exact same thing while watching. It makes sense that Heldt would get out of the way
yes I thought it was a 3 also, confusing end of regulation play.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 26, 2018, 11:06:06 PM
At least the people crying for a 2-3 and our two best scorers to only average 40 combined minutes per game are quiet tonight.
This wasn't hard. We played 1 great half of basketball going 2-3 and with only one of Howard/Rowsey in the game. No doubt it was some great basketball. But we also then played the worst team in the Big East and got a win with it. Cool, not sure what we can take away form that, some people think it spells out the blueprint to MU success. Others see it for what it is and it's a win we should've had.
So really other than one 20 minute half of basketball, our man to man is much better than our zone defense. And without question we are a better team when both Howard and Rowsey are on the floor together. Are there times where the ball stops moving because one/both of them go into hero ball mode, and at those times we'd be better off with only one of them in? Sure. But like when our season turned last year by inserting Rowsey into the starting lineup to go along with Howard, those two paired with Hauser leaves a tough defensive gameplan for our opposition.
We played M2M ~85% of the game last night Wades. We yielded 86 points to a team ranked 100 in D-1 in O-Efficiency. We've played exactly 1 half of exclusively zone against a MUCH better offensive team, Creighton, and got much better results.
I can agree that having our Big Three on the floor does make for a tough defensive gameplan for opposing coaches, no doubt. Still not sold by any means playing Andrew and Markus together is the best approach. Markus was better last night - much more efficient and selective in his shooting - so that helped. But, we are a defensive sh$t show in M2M with Markus and Andrew on the floor together.
Quote from: Floorslapper on February 27, 2018, 08:54:02 AM
We played M2M ~85% of the game last night Wades. We yielded 86 points to a team ranked 100 in D-1 in O-Efficiency. We've played exactly 1 half of exclusively zone against a MUCH better offensive team, Creighton, and got much better results.
I can agree that having our Big Three on the floor does make for a tough defensive gameplan for opposing coaches, no doubt. Still not sold by any means playing Andrew and Markus together is the best approach. Markus was better last night - much more efficient and selective in his shooting - so that helped. But, we are a defensive sh$t show in M2M with Markus and Andrew on the floor together.
The easiest way to beat a zone is to have high low post presence. CU's best post player is hurt, and there other big is their best three point shooter so a zone works against them. GU two best players are both post players, so one can flash to the open area around the free throw line, while the other stays under the basket. GU was hitting the free throw line jump shot that CU wouldn't even take because they were missing it so much. That forced Matt to come out and defend it and they just dumped it down to the other and Jamal was late on the rotation and gave up an and one. I know, a foul from the zone, impossible.
You have to play match-ups. CU is a bad matchup for a zone, even if they are a better offensive team overall than GU. GU was also hitting an above average number of three's in the first half. And while the D wasn't right up on them, they wen't wide open three's. If a team is hitting 3's, you generally don't throw a zone at them, because it is easier to get good looks. That is why team don't play a lot of zone against us.
Brother Ners,
You are making the same mistake you did with Dawson and JJJ. I didn't realize it until now but your "play a half exclusively in zone" is the same argument as "JJJ/Dawson won't play well unless they get at least 25 minutes" argument that you used to obsess about." You see something work once, like the zone vs Creighton, and decide that it is the end all be all. When it doesn't work later and the coach moves away from it, you blame the coach and say that the coach didn't give it adequate enough time to work. But you have your cause and effect backwards. The zone didn't work against Creighton because we used it exclusively in the second half. We used the zone exclusively in the second half because it was working. She thing with JJJ/Dawson. The reason they played well wasnt because they got 25 minutes (or whatever the magic number was), they got minutes because they were playing well. Wojo will try things but if it's not working he will switch to something better.
The zone didn't work last night so we moved away from it. I'm waiting for synergy to post the numbers, but I'm pretty sure GTWN scored against every single zone possession. If the zone was working, we would have used it more.
Higher seeded team is "home" and wheres da liter colored jerseys, hey?
Quote from: cheese ball chaser on February 27, 2018, 08:43:07 AM
Yes! I thought the exact same thing while watching. It makes sense that Heldt would get out of the way
I was just glad that we didn't foul and give up the layup to give GT the win. MU
loves themselves soft fouls leading to 3 pt plays.
Chick makes a great point. GTown not taking timeout was brilliant. Confusion worked in their favor.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on February 27, 2018, 09:21:19 AM
I was just glad that we didn't foul and give up the layup to give GT the win. MU loves themselves soft fouls leading to 3 pt plays.
I know, right? There must have been at least 5 "and one" situations last night. That must be some sort of school record.
Quote from: jsglow on February 27, 2018, 09:27:21 AM
Chick makes a great point. GTown not taking timeout was brilliant. Confusion worked in their favor.
I think it was also a very good demonstration of the fact that 3.5 seconds is a
ton of time. I often see players panic where there is 3.5 seconds left and chuck up a 3/4 court shot. Mulmore showed that you can run the length of the floor in that time. Sure, it's not always easy to do if you're being defended, but there
is time.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on February 27, 2018, 09:33:05 AM
I think it was also a very good demonstration of the fact that 3.5 seconds is a ton of time. I often see players panic where there is 3.5 seconds left and chuck up a 3/4 court shot. Mulmore showed that you can run the length of the floor in that time. Sure, it's not always easy to do if you're being defended, but there is time.
3.5 is plenty of time. Like the 4 seconds Markus had at the end of the providence game at home. Woof.
But I digress. Got the win last night! I like W's. Let's get the CU win to close out the BC and try to make some noise at the BEAST tourney.
Lock up that top NIT seed (NCAA would be amazing though)
Quote from: warriorchick on February 27, 2018, 08:21:31 AM
If anyone else posted about this, I missed it.
Does anyone think that maybe the reason that last Hoya bucket in regulation went basically uncontested was because at least some of the guys on the floor thought that Sam's shot was a 3-pointer? I sure did watching at home. If they weren't looking at his feet (and there certainly wasn't time to look up at the scoreboard), it wasn't unreasonable to think that.
I thought it was a three on replay. Hard to tell.
Quote from: warriorchick on February 27, 2018, 09:28:56 AM
I know, right? There must have been at least 5 "and one" situations last night. That must be some sort of school record.
I'm going to guess the record for "and-1's" was set in the Dan Fitzgerald era. His best skill was giving those up.
Quote from: warriorchick on February 27, 2018, 08:21:31 AM
If anyone else posted about this, I missed it.
Does anyone think that maybe the reason that last Hoya bucket in regulation went basically uncontested was because at least some of the guys on the floor thought that Sam's shot was a 3-pointer? I sure did watching at home. If they weren't looking at his feet (and there certainly wasn't time to look up at the scoreboard), it wasn't unreasonable to think that.
I thought so too, and there was no time to show the replay. Sam was on the line.
That being said, Rowsey did nothing to slow the guy down--he is useless on defense. Heldt got the hell out of the way so he could not get called for a foul and possibly give up an and 1 that would have given GT the victory. I swear Wojo cannot coach defense, because there should have at least been 3/4 pressure after Sams made shot. Glad it still worked out for us. But there are so many weaknesses with this team on defense, and that is on Wojo.
Quote from: warriorchick on February 27, 2018, 08:21:31 AM
If anyone else posted about this, I missed it.
Does anyone think that maybe the reason that last Hoya bucket in regulation went basically uncontested was because at least some of the guys on the floor thought that Sam's shot was a 3-pointer? I sure did watching at home. If they weren't looking at his feet (and there certainly wasn't time to look up at the scoreboard), it wasn't unreasonable to think that.
I thought it was a 3 as well. Really feeling happy
Ewing really rolled the dice, not using his last time out. Took advantage of the celebration and disorder and got his fastest player the ball near half court already going full speed. So disorganized that we never saw a decent replay showing the play. I am guessing that everyone was anticipating a stopped clock, either to review whether it was a 3 or a timeout. As I posted last night, if MU had been in a position to contest the entry pass and committed a foul, there would have been screaming. Damn if you do...
Quote from: cheebs09 on February 27, 2018, 09:46:37 AM
I'm going to guess the record for "and-1's" was set in the Dan Fitzgerald era. His best skill was giving those up.
LOL. The "ticky-tack" foul was Fitz's specialty.
Quote from: warriorchick on February 27, 2018, 08:21:31 AM
If anyone else posted about this, I missed it.
Does anyone think that maybe the reason that last Hoya bucket in regulation went basically uncontested was because at least some of the guys on the floor thought that Sam's shot was a 3-pointer? I sure did watching at home. If they weren't looking at his feet (and there certainly wasn't time to look up at the scoreboard), it wasn't unreasonable to think that.
I wasn't sure. My wife yelled: "That was a 3!" I thought maybe they'd check the monitor after the game to make sure - and maybe they did. It clearly was a 2, though.
I don't really blame Rowsey for not stepping in there on GT's last regulation bucket. It was a total scramble situation and if he commits a foul, people are screaming at him about that. I applaud the GT kid for making a play ... and I'm glad that, in the end, it didn't matter!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 27, 2018, 10:13:24 AM
LOL. The "ticky-tack" foul was Fitz's specialty.
I still call a ticky-tack foul leading to a 3 point play a Fitz, much like I still call an illegal screen a Grimm.
Quote from: tower912 on February 26, 2018, 08:23:41 PM
Joey 6'9
Bailey 6'9
Morrow 6'7 load
Ike 6'10
No more getting pushed around. A graduate PG away from some serious damage.
was thinking the same thing last night when seeing joey on the bench...no morrow though?
Quote from: avid1010 on February 27, 2018, 12:31:30 PM
was thinking the same thing last night when seeing joey on the bench...no morrow though?
Morrow cannot travel with team per NCAA transfer rules. Been that way all season, and for all previous transfers.
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 27, 2018, 12:11:58 PM
I still call a ticky-tack foul leading to a 3 point play a Fitz, much like I still call an illegal screen a Grimm.
At least we are not calling them Heldts anymore.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 26, 2018, 11:06:06 PM
At least the people crying for a 2-3 and our two best scorers to only average 40 combined minutes per game are quiet tonight.
This wasn't hard. We played 1 great half of basketball going 2-3 and with only one of Howard/Rowsey in the game. No doubt it was some great basketball. But we also then played the worst team in the Big East and got a win with it. Cool, not sure what we can take away form that, some people think it spells out the blueprint to MU success. Others see it for what it is and it's a win we should've had.
So really other than one 20 minute half of basketball, our man to man is much better than our zone defense. And without question we are a better team when both Howard and Rowsey are on the floor together. Are there times where the ball stops moving because one/both of them go into hero ball mode, and at those times we'd be better off with only one of them in? Sure. But like when our season turned last year by inserting Rowsey into the starting lineup to go along with Howard, those two paired with Hauser leaves a tough defensive gameplan for our opposition.
I feel like this is a direct shot at me, which is fine. But I A) never said we should exclusively go zone or B) never said you should limit Howard and Rowsey's minutes to 40/game or something that low. In the DePaul game, the ball 100% got stagnant and I felt it was due in large part to getting Markus and Rowsey back out there together and others, as a result, not moving with the same urgency as we did sans-Markus. They're two of the best offensive players in college basketball, it happens. And on the defensive end, I watched us stay in man, rack up fouls, and give up 20 offensive boards against a dreadful DePaul offense, while they were shooting 18% from 3 at the same time. My opinion would have been to mix in the zone with guys like Jamal and Greg in lieu of Markus/Rowsey for a stretch and see if we could get out of our incredible funk to start the second half.
The Big 3 were incredible last night, but I like our offense best when guys like Jamal and Greg are slashing/getting catch-and-shoot opportunities and Sacar is making baseline cuts/showing a willingness to drive. Even the Cain/Froling pick-and-pop last night was one of my favorites plays of the game because infrequently (especially in Froling's case) used guys were confident enough to make a big play. That didn't happen against DePaul. But hey, Wojo is paid a lot of money to make adjustments and the ball moved great last night with the two of them out there together. We were again pretty terrible in a man, but when you hit 18 threes you're gonna win most games. We're an inherently flawed team, and I just hope we can get 2 more wins.
Quote from: warriorchick on February 27, 2018, 12:38:38 PM
At least we are not calling them Heldts anymore.
As a team we are pretty good at not getting very many of those, particularly with the amount of screening we do for our shooters.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 27, 2018, 12:32:53 PM
Morrow cannot travel with team per NCAA transfer rules. Been that way all season, and for all previous transfers.
had no idea...what's the thought behind that rule?
The problem was we were disorganized and were running back with our backs to the ball. Mulmore didnt actually pick up the ball to almost half court with the clock stopped. Had we had the prescence of mind to have a guy on the free throw line forcing him to pick up the ball and ideally make him zig or zag it would have dramatically reduced his time and in all likely hood forced a deep dep running shot from 3.
With MUs luck this year he would have made it.
Wojo did say in the post game with the celebration, youth and confusion that tgey did not defend it well or properly. Film room learning experience for the kids, would have been nice to have seen them defend it a little more maturely . Thankfully it didnt cost us. Thats partially on wojo kids should have better known what to do there especialky out of a timeout.
Having coached tho that is a very difficult thing. You can discuss all the scrnarios in practice n in the timeout, but so many diferent things can happen, make miss, 2 or 3 , how much time is left etc. then on top of it all in those situations kids forget, get caught up in the moment, misunderstand, blood flow to the brain stops, etc etc etc crazy things happen in those situations n sometimes it costs you, some times it goes exactly as planned and sometimes u just get lucky and get the hell out of there like a thief in middle of the night.
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 26, 2018, 08:21:15 PM
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Yes, that goes without saying. But I will also. No Dick sucks.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on February 27, 2018, 09:42:00 AM
I thought it was a three on replay. Hard to tell.
He clearly had a foot on the line.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 27, 2018, 04:00:44 PM
He clearly had a foot on the line.
Yeah it wasn't really close to a 3.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 27, 2018, 08:26:44 AM
Not a bad theory. It would explain why Heldt stepped out of the way and allowed a virtually uncontested layup
Maybe he was making sure that Georgetown didn't get the win with a three point play.
Quote from: 4everCrean on February 27, 2018, 09:18:40 PM
Maybe he was making sure that Georgetown didn't get the win with a three point play.
He could at least put his hands up and safely challenged the shot, but he actually looked like he was creating space for him to drive under the basket.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 27, 2018, 02:38:41 PM
The problem was we were disorganized and were running back with our backs to the ball. Mulmore didnt actually pick up the ball to almost half court with the clock stopped. Had we had the prescence of mind to have a guy on the free throw line forcing him to pick up the ball and ideally make him zig or zag it would have dramatically reduced his time and in all likely hood forced a deep dep running shot from 3.
THANK YOU!
Guard the ball out of bounds, for crying out loud and put a soft full-court press on the ball and guess what, that shot doesn't go off. You got make 'em work for the shot, which we did not do and they knew it.
Sorry folks, that's coaching. That's our guys not knowing the circumstances of play and not being ready. If that had happened with Al, Kevin. The Tanned One or even the Hillbilly were here, we'd have a couple of extra scholarships available because Al, Kevin, The Tanned One or the Hillbilly would have KILLED them.
Part of what this play says is that there isn't a mental toughness on this team. A killer instinct they do not have and a discipline necessary to lock down an opponent or kill 'em when they're down just does not exist.
Quote from: WE R FINAL FOUR on February 26, 2018, 11:13:19 PM
That crowd was pathetic, but those cheers were loud and clear!
My section and the one next to it were predominantly MU supporters. Except for the students (who did a pretty good job being loud) the crowd probably had between a third and a half MU fans.
The students were pretty mum when We Are broke out.
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 28, 2018, 07:02:06 AM
THANK YOU!
Guard the ball out of bounds, for crying out loud and put a soft full-court press on the ball and guess what, that shot doesn't go off. You got make 'em work for the shot, which we did not do and they knew it.
Sorry folks, that's coaching. That's our guys not knowing the circumstances of play and not being ready. If that had happened with Al, Kevin. The Tanned One or even the Hillbilly were here, we'd have a couple of extra scholarships available because Al, Kevin, The Tanned One or the Hillbilly would have KILLED them.
Part of what this play says is that there isn't a mental toughness on this team. A killer instinct they do not have and a discipline necessary to lock down an opponent or kill 'em when they're down just does not exist.
Lol. Okay guy.
There's been overwhelming evidence to the contrary. In this game alone, they endured a 20 point swing including double digit deficit and didn't let it get them down, fighting back for a win.
Let alone the numerous other examples this season.
There's a lot you can quibble about with this team. Mental toughness is not one of them
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 28, 2018, 07:02:06 AM
THANK YOU!
Guard the ball out of bounds, for crying out loud and put a soft full-court press on the ball and guess what, that shot doesn't go off. You got make 'em work for the shot, which we did not do and they knew it.
Sorry folks, that's coaching. That's our guys not knowing the circumstances of play and not being ready. If that had happened with Al, Kevin. The Tanned One or even the Hillbilly were here, we'd have a couple of extra scholarships available because Al, Kevin, The Tanned One or the Hillbilly would have KILLED them.
Part of what this play says is that there isn't a mental toughness on this team. A killer instinct they do not have and a discipline necessary to lock down an opponent or kill 'em when they're down just does not exist.
How do you know that Wojo didn't KILL them after the game for that?
I think coming back to win after a 20 point swing and winning in OT after you thought you had the game won in regulation shows mental toughness
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 28, 2018, 08:18:10 AM
How do you know that Wojo didn't KILL them after the game for that?
I think coming back to win after a 20 point swing and winning in OT after you thought you had the game won in regulation shows mental toughness
Brother TAMU, if they were playing Villanova or Xavier, I might agree with you. But they came back on Georgetown doing the thing they do well all season — hit 3s. If they had played defense, I might have agreed with you. But when they gave up the coast-to-coaster, well, something was really wrong.
Georgetown is a bad team now.
As to whether he killed them or not, was their blood? Or funerals at Gesu? Just kidding but I would not even want to think what Al would have done after that play!
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 28, 2018, 09:20:05 AM
Brother TAMU, if they were playing Villanova or Xavier, I might agree with you. But they came back on Georgetown doing the thing they do well all season — hit 3s. If they had played defense, I might have agreed with you. But when they gave up the coast-to-coaster, well, something was really wrong.
Georgetown is a bad team now.
As to whether he killed them or not, was their blood? Or funerals at Gesu? Just kidding but I would not even want to think what Al would have done after that play!
As has been pointed out in the game thread, many players might have though Sams shot a 3. Also give credit to GU for not calling a time out letting us set our D and get Jamal and Greg into the game. GU may be a bad team, but there is no such thing as a bad conference win, especially at the end of February. Learn from the experience, take the W and run.
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 28, 2018, 09:20:05 AM
Brother TAMU, if they were playing Villanova or Xavier, I might agree with you. But they came back on Georgetown doing the thing they do well all season — hit 3s. If they had played defense, I might have agreed with you. But when they gave up the coast-to-coaster, well, something was really wrong.
Georgetown is a bad team now.
As to whether he killed them or not, was their blood? Or funerals at Gesu? Just kidding but I would not even want to think what Al would have done after that play!
dg, call it poor coaching or bad defense or Jupiter aligning with Mars. But mental toughness? It ain't easy responding in OT the way the Warriors did if you have just blown a lead by allowing an end-to-end drive. I would say they showed incredible mental toughness.
Maybe we just define mental toughness differently. I say being able to overcome adversity (even if it is self-induced) and prevail in the end shows a lot of mental toughness.
i'm not worried about our mental toughness. Physical toughness? That's a horse of a different color.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 28, 2018, 09:58:44 PM
i'm not worried about our mental toughness. Physical toughness? That's a horse of a different color.
Yep yep, Lenny!