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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Galway Eagle on February 26, 2018, 08:13:40 AM

Title: Amateur sports models that work?
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 26, 2018, 08:13:40 AM
Are there any amateur sports organizations that produce a good amount of revenue that actually work?

The only one I can possibly think of is the GAA.
Title: Re: Amateur sports models that work?
Post by: brewcity77 on February 26, 2018, 09:19:17 AM
I think the Olympic model is the one the NCAA should follow. Let players get revenue for their likeness.

Another thing I've been mulling is the idea that if you are going to pay to bring players to your school, they sign a contract. "I will commit to X years". If they breach, they pay the money back. That would help alleviate transfer worries that many people have and if someone goes to the NBA, they'll easily be able to afford the difference.
Title: Re: Amateur sports models that work?
Post by: Jay Bee on February 26, 2018, 09:33:17 AM
There's a Superbar model that works for posts like this, heyner??
Title: Re: Amateur sports models that work?
Post by: Jockey on February 26, 2018, 09:55:59 AM
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on February 26, 2018, 08:13:40 AM
Are there any amateur sports organizations that produce a good amount of revenue that actually work?

The only one I can possibly think of is the GAA.

FIFA, USOC
Title: Re: Amateur sports models that work?
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 26, 2018, 10:03:31 AM
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 26, 2018, 09:33:17 AM
There's a Superbar model that works for posts like this, heyner??

Well then go police the other threads related to NCAA amateurism.
Title: Re: Amateur sports models that work?
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 26, 2018, 10:05:20 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 26, 2018, 09:19:17 AM
I think the Olympic model is the one the NCAA should follow. Let players get revenue for their likeness.

Another thing I've been mulling is the idea that if you are going to pay to bring players to your school, they sign a contract. "I will commit to X years". If they breach, they pay the money back. That would help alleviate transfer worries that many people have and if someone goes to the NBA, they'll easily be able to afford the difference.

I'd agree to the Olympic model, but isn't that even sort of sketchy. With which sports need to be amateurs and which don't?

Not sure on the paying the money back. I feel that the argument would be it's less of a scholarship then since if I got a full ride to a school for something else and decided to transfer they wouldn't make me pay it back.
Title: Re: Amateur sports models that work?
Post by: skianth16 on February 26, 2018, 10:18:28 AM
Quote from: Jockey on February 26, 2018, 09:55:59 AM
FIFA, USOC

Aren't these two of the most corrupt entities in the world, though? Has there ever been a World Cup or Olympic event that was successfully put on without stories/rumors about corruption and bribery?
Title: Re: Amateur sports models that work?
Post by: T-Bone on February 26, 2018, 10:35:22 AM
Expected pictures, am leaving disappointed.
Title: Re: Amateur sports models that work?
Post by: Boozemon Barro on February 26, 2018, 12:46:25 PM
The amateur model fails once there is money to be made.
Title: Re: Amateur sports models that work?
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 26, 2018, 12:54:31 PM
Quote from: skianth16 on February 26, 2018, 10:18:28 AM
Aren't these two of the most corrupt entities in the world, though? Has there ever been a World Cup or Olympic event that was successfully put on without stories/rumors about corruption and bribery?

This is what I was thinking. There's really no amateur league that truly works so is it a pipe dream?
Title: Re: Amateur sports models that work?
Post by: brewcity77 on February 26, 2018, 01:30:38 PM
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on February 26, 2018, 10:05:20 AM
I'd agree to the Olympic model, but isn't that even sort of sketchy. With which sports need to be amateurs and which don't?

Not sure on the paying the money back. I feel that the argument would be it's less of a scholarship then since if I got a full ride to a school for something else and decided to transfer they wouldn't make me pay it back.

I'm not saying to pay the scholarship money back. I'm talking about players committing for a fee. Let's take DeAndre Ayton. Say he got the $100,000 and in the process signed a contract to use his eligibility at Arizona. That could either have a length stipulation, or a "if you transfer to another school, you pay back a portion of the $100,000 signing bonus" clause. Now if school X offers him $150,000 to transfer, he could still go, but it would prevent guys from transferring a couple times to keep getting signing bonuses every other year.
Title: Re: Amateur sports models that work?
Post by: Boozemon Barro on February 26, 2018, 01:41:31 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 26, 2018, 01:30:38 PM
I'm not saying to pay the scholarship money back. I'm talking about players committing for a fee. Let's take DeAndre Ayton. Say he got the $100,000 and in the process signed a contract to use his eligibility at Arizona. That could either have a length stipulation, or a "if you transfer to another school, you pay back a portion of the $100,000 signing bonus" clause. Now if school X offers him $150,000 to transfer, he could still go, but it would prevent guys from transferring a couple times to keep getting signing bonuses every other year.

Sounds like a standard buyout clause is what you're looking for. It doesn't need to be any different than what's currently in the coaching contracts. The amount can be negotiated before the individual contracts are signed.
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