I'm still convinced that it is just a vocal minority, but there have been more posts suggesting the dismissal of Wojo. My question is, who exactly would you suggest replace him?
This offseason is likely to have the greatest amount of coaching movement in the history of college basketball, with many high profile jobs likely being up for grabs. There is only a limited number of mid-to-high quality mid major coaches out there that will likely be attracting a lot of attention since many of the programs looking for new coaches won't be in a position to just promote assistants.
If I'm a mid major coach that is looking to make the jump this offseason, I would rather go to a blue blood, where I will be given at least 3+ years with little to no expectations to completely rebuild the program the way that I want to. Depending on which players leave with Wojo, assuming his dismissal, we would still be in a position to be competitive in the immediate future so expectations would likely be higher in the short term, even if the existing players don't fit the system that the coach wants to run.
Many people would like a coach with high major experience. My thoughts are that we would already know their ceiling. Crean reached his ceiling at MU, as did Buzz (I don't think he can get VT to an E8, you may disagree). With Cuonzo, we already know his ceiling. I would rather continue to roll the dice with a mid major coach/ high major assistant that would have a lower floor, but a higher potential ceiling, and the majority of the decent to good candidates will be moving to jobs that are "better" than MU.
The blue bloods under investigation will spend whatever it takes to remain there. There are numerous examples of programs that were blue bloods that dropped off a cliff. MU from the end of Rick to the O'Neill. Vegas after Tarkanian. As much as we spend, we will be unable to compete with both the money and the prestige of the current blue bloods.
This is by no means a defense of Wojo. Losing to DePaul is unacceptable no matter the circumstances, but the BOT shouldn't fire Wojo just to fire him. If they decide to move on from the Wojo experiment, they need to make a hire that would be an improvement, and I think a lot of those candidates will also be interviewing for jobs such as Arizona, MSU, Louisville, etc.
Wojo gets 5 years. Next season will determine, IMO, whether he loses the fan base or not. The program must improve on this season.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 24, 2018, 08:03:42 PM
I'm still convinced that it is just a vocal minority, but there have been more posts suggesting the dismissal of Wojo. My question is, who exactly would you suggest replace him?
This offseason is likely to have the greatest amount of coaching movement in the history of college basketball, with many high profile jobs likely being up for grabs. There is only a limited number of mid-to-high quality mid major coaches out there that will likely be attracting a lot of attention since many of the programs looking for new coaches won't be in a position to just promote assistants.
If I'm a mid major coach that is looking to make the jump this offseason, I would rather go to a blue blood, where I will be given at least 3+ years with little to no expectations to completely rebuild the program the way that I want to. Depending on which players leave with Wojo, assuming his dismissal, we would still be in a position to be competitive in the immediate future so expectations would likely be higher in the short term, even if the existing players don't fit the system that the coach wants to run.
Many people would like a coach with high major experience. My thoughts are that we would already know their ceiling. Crean reached his ceiling at MU, as did Buzz (I don't think he can get VT to an E8, you may disagree). With Cuonzo, we already know his ceiling. I would rather continue to roll the dice with a mid major coach/ high major assistant that would have a lower floor, but a higher potential ceiling, and the majority of the decent to good candidates will be moving to jobs that are "better" than MU.
The blue bloods under investigation will spend whatever it takes to remain there. There are numerous examples of programs that were blue bloods that dropped off a cliff. MU from the end of Rick to the O'Neill. Vegas after Tarkanian. As much as we spend, we will be unable to compete with both the money and the prestige of the current blue bloods.
This is by no means a defense of Wojo. Losing to DePaul is unacceptable no matter the circumstances, but the BOT shouldn't fire Wojo just to fire him. If they decide to move on from the Wojo experiment, they need to make a hire that would be an improvement, and I think a lot of those candidates will also be interviewing for jobs such as Arizona, MSU, Louisville, etc.
You may be right, however, you have to keep in mind, that the NCAA very well may lower the boom on the "blue bloods" involved in this scandal..like, what if Louisville gets the death penalty?? What if Michigan state is banned from the tourney for a year or two and suffers scholarship reductions?? What if Arizona NEVER recovers from the punishment they may get?? With the black cloud hovering over them, those jobs may not be as attractive to someone as they would have been without all of this.
Quote from: muguru on February 24, 2018, 08:10:50 PM
You may be right, however, you have to keep in mind, that the NCAA very well may lower the boom on the "blue bloods" involved in this scandal..like, what if Louisville gets the death penalty?? What if Michigan state is banned from the tourney for a year or two and suffers scholarship reductions?? What if Arizona NEVER recovers from the punishment they may get?? With the black cloud hovering over them, those jobs may not be as attractive to someone as they would have been without all of this.
No offense, but I'll believe it when I see it, in terms of the NCAA actually bringing down the hammer on someone. The treatment of Louisville is definitely preferred to the treatment UNC got, but there's not a lot of precedent of harsh treatment.
Money also speaks volumes and a lot of these potential punishments would just mean that any potential hire would have more time with less expectations. I see your point that it could be a double edged sword, but there is enough money at blue bloods to get someone decent.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 24, 2018, 08:03:42 PM
I'm still convinced that it is just a vocal minority, but there have been more posts suggesting the dismissal of Wojo. My question is, who exactly would you suggest replace him?
I have a feeling more than just a handful of alums shared doubts about Wojo's ability today over a beer after the debacle he put on the floor at Wintrust. He seems to be a stubborn person that doesn't learn from experience well. That doesn't bode well for the future. I'm excited about the incoming class, but I wish I had the same faith that Wojo would grow alongside his players. Time will tell, but four years in, his advancement feels awfully limited.
And at this point in the year, and even into his tenure, we already know who will defend him and who will be upset with him. For some, Wojo does no wrong, and for others, he does nothing right. Regardless of the camp you fall into, today was embarrassing. It's hard to find an upside.
IMO Wojo is not going anywhere. He is coming back, no doubt. While it is disappointing we missed the NCAA 3 of his first 4 years, this is a young team and there is real hope next year should be very good. Even if we don't play up to expectations next year and Wojo is fired, there will be some collateral benefit to MU by showing the coaching community that MU is good place to work and will give you time to get your program going.
As for the question of who's next if we ever fire Wojo? In my experience in business, that is the second question you answer. The first is; is the current person the right one for the job? if the answer is no, then you move on as quickly as possible (that's why I say Wojo's seat is ice cold until the day the he is fired). MU should not be worried about any current players leaving (or all of them as some chicken littles on this board have suggested, which I don't think has ever happened). MU will have plenty of great coaches to choose from if they have an opening. Except for weather, which every Big East and Big Ten team deals with, what is MU lacking?
I think the number calling for firing is about the same as those crying "Stay calm. All is well." I am critical of the "wait until next year" crowd because I think they fail to give enough weight to where we actually are and what we have actually seen, even as I agree it is next year that should be decisive. I look at next year because I agree any new hire likely leads to upheaval, and I want to give Wojo the chance, but don't think we have to be locked into low expectations simply because of the fear of the unknown.
Quote from: connie on February 25, 2018, 08:55:58 AM
I think the number calling for firing is about the same as those crying "Stay calm. All is well." I am critical of the "wait until next year" crowd because I think they fail to give enough weight to where we actually are and what we have actually seen, even as I agree it is next year that should be decisive. I look at next year because I agree any new hire likely leads to upheaval, and I want to give Wojo the chance, but don't think we have to be locked into low expectations simply because of the fear of the unknown.
I'm right there with you, well stated.
Quote from: connie on February 25, 2018, 08:55:58 AM
I think the number calling for firing is about the same as those crying "Stay calm. All is well." I am critical of the "wait until next year" crowd because I think they fail to give enough weight to where we actually are and what we have actually seen, even as I agree it is next year that should be decisive. I look at next year because I agree any new hire likely leads to upheaval, and I want to give Wojo the chance, but don't think we have to be locked into low expectations simply because of the fear of the unknown.
I think you are missing my point. On a normal off-season, if it were to open up, the MU job would be one of the best available. This off-season it may not even be top 5. Now if we were to do an internal hire, that would be a different story. But my guess is that Stan would be at about the same level as wojo so the BOT likely would want a nation wide search.
Quote from: muguru on February 24, 2018, 08:10:50 PM
You may be right, however, you have to keep in mind, that the NCAA very well may lower the boom on the "blue bloods" involved in this scandal..like, what if Louisville gets the death penalty?? What if Michigan state is banned from the tourney for a year or two and suffers scholarship reductions?? What if Arizona NEVER recovers from the punishment they may get?? With the black cloud hovering over them, those jobs may not be as attractive to someone as they would have been without all of this.
Who lowers the boom on the ncaa? If the problem is this wide spread then the governing entity is doing a piss poor job of governing. A new system needs to be implemented and who knows how that will shake out. Power conferences may say screw it we will do this ourselves leaving everyone else outside looking in.
I am giving WOJO one more year or I am done with this team/the future. Next years team will be the best team MU has had since the Elite 8 Run 5 years ago. This team with the size additions next year + Hauser should be in contention to win the Big East outright and battling for a 3-4 Seed in the NCAA tournament. If they fail to make the tournament next year WOJO needs to be fired.
IMO Rausey leaving is a wash with Howard playing. You cannot have both on the floor at the same time so its a wash having one leave.
What is most upsetting to me is that we find ways to win @ Seton Hall, @ Providence and @ Creighton but find a way to lose @ St.Johns, @ Depaul. Those are just inexcusable losses if we want to be a good team again.
Also for next year we should lose maybe 1 game at home the whole year.
OK. So it is a given by the experts here that Wojo needs 5 years to make or break. Many seem to believe that we have the talent. We all know that Wojo has lots of resources. In addition, it looks that there may be a big upheaval in college BB with the FBI scandal. (We will see about that). So what should be the minimum acceptable results for next year to put out the red carpet for Wojo. This would be a good scenario:
1. Compete for BEast regular season title--at least a top 3 finish.
2. A deep run in BEast tourney
3. A top 15 ranking
4. Regular season record of at least 23-7
5. NCAA tourney regional seed of 4 or better
6. No one and done in tourney
7. Improved home attendance.
The above should be easily attainable given the assets Wojo/MU has, and the support many on this board have advocated on Wojo, and their reasons why we should be so good.
I'm not on the fire Wojo train, but my list starts with Dan Hurley. Knows the East Coast where our league is most present, is a solid coach on both offense and defense, and is a proven winner.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 25, 2018, 09:23:59 AM
OK. So it is a given by the experts here that Wojo needs 5 years to make or break. Many seem to believe that we have the talent. We all know that Wojo has lots of resources. In addition, it looks that there may be a big upheaval in college BB with the FBI scandal. (We will see about that). So what should be the minimum acceptable results for next year to put out the red carpet for Wojo. This would be a good scenario:
1. Compete for BEast regular season title--at least a top 3 finish.
2. A deep run in BEast tourney
3. A top 15 ranking
4. Regular season record of at least 23-7
5. NCAA tourney regional seed of 4 or better
6. No one and done in tourney
7. Improved home attendance.
The above should be easily attainable given the assets Wojo/MU has, and the support many on this board have advocated on Wojo, and their reasons why we should be so good.
I think that these are reasonable for next year, but if we only reach the rank of 16, and get a 5 seed in the tourney, but achieve the other goals listed (semi final appearance in NYC, top 3 finish etc.) Would you say that he underavieved?
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2018, 09:26:41 AM
I'm not on the fire Wojo train, but my list starts with Dan Hurley. Knows the East Coast where our league is most present, is a solid coach on both offense and defense, and is a proven winner.
His name is now being bantered for Louisville job.
Quote from: nyg on February 25, 2018, 09:34:19 AM
His name is now being bantered for Louisville job.
He'll be rumored for any big jobs, but I think the Big East is the best fit for him. Louisville will be interesting, I'd think any smart coach would ask for 10 years guaranteed because that could be a really tough and long rebuild depending on what the NCAA does with them.
Quote from: skianth16 on February 25, 2018, 12:16:55 AM
I have a feeling more than just a handful of alums shared doubts about Wojo's ability today over a beer after the debacle he put on the floor at Wintrust. He seems to be a stubborn person that doesn't learn from experience well. That doesn't bode well for the future. I'm excited about the incoming class, but I wish I had the same faith that Wojo would grow alongside his players. Time will tell, but four years in, his advancement feels awfully limited.
And at this point in the year, and even into his tenure, we already know who will defend him and who will be upset with him. For some, Wojo does no wrong, and for others, he does nothing right. Regardless of the camp you fall into, today was embarrassing. It's hard to find an upside.
I have yet to meet someone that says Wojo does no wrong. Next year is critical. Yesterday was embarrassing every bit as much as beating Creighton last week in Omaha was exciting (ask Nova how they did in Omaha yesterday). Young teams are inconsistent, which I believe most fans knew that was the situation this year. NIT. Some highs, some lows. Some Oh My God moments (both good and bad). Next year he won't have that luxury and will need to get to NCAAs, finish in top 5 of conference.
When we try to look for an upside in one game, that isn't going to bode well overall. Look at the season, not 1/30th. Younger teams have wilder swings.
Quote from: WarriorDad on February 25, 2018, 11:30:26 AM
I have yet to meet someone that says Wojo does no wrong. Next year is critical. Yesterday was embarrassing every bit as much as beating Creighton last week in Omaha was exciting (ask Nova how they did in Omaha yesterday). Young teams are inconsistent, which I believe most fans knew that was the situation this year. NIT. Some highs, some lows. Some Oh My God moments (both good and bad). Next year he won't have that luxury and will need to get to NCAAs, finish in top 5 of conference.
When we try to look for an upside in one game, that isn't going to bode well overall. Look at the season, not 1/30th. Younger teams have wilder swings.
Agree with everything here except that with the steps back that other programs are likely to take, we should be top 3.
Now if we finish 4th but win a game or two in the tourney that makes up for it, but no reason we shouldn't expect top 3 with the roster we'll have.
Hurley......
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 25, 2018, 09:31:45 AM
I think that these are reasonable for next year, but if we only reach the rank of 16, and get a 5 seed in the tourney, but achieve the other goals listed (semi final appearance in NYC, top 3 finish etc.) Would you say that he underavieved?
I would say that we are very near where we should be. remember...we are not even close to that now.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 25, 2018, 09:23:59 AM
OK. So it is a given by the experts here that Wojo needs 5 years to make or break. Many seem to believe that we have the talent. We all know that Wojo has lots of resources. In addition, it looks that there may be a big upheaval in college BB with the FBI scandal. (We will see about that). So what should be the minimum acceptable results for next year to put out the red carpet for Wojo. This would be a good scenario:
1. Compete for BEast regular season title--at least a top 3 finish.
2. A deep run in BEast tourney
3. A top 15 ranking
4. Regular season record of at least 23-7
5. NCAA tourney regional seed of 4 or better
6. No one and done in tourney
7. Improved home attendance.
The above should be easily attainable given the assets Wojo/MU has, and the support many on this board have advocated on Wojo, and their reasons why we should be so good.
Attendance improvement would be nice but if ticket prices increase then you can't expect it. Usually an increase comes the year after a successful season like the White Sox averaged 15k less fans when they won the World Series than they did the next year without making the playoffs
This season is over. Next year is our year
There's still basketball left to be played this year, but when it is time to reflect on this season and review the current state of the program, this has to be reinforced: from the resources that Marquette puts into its program, to its tradition and history, to its conference affiliation, to its fan support and to its continued ability to be a top-25 program each and every year, having four of five years missing the NCAA Tournament is simply unacceptable. Blaming Buzz, stressing the rebuild, promoting the notion that our coaching staff is still learning and growing or going back to the excuse that our team is too young, simply won't cut it anymore. The days of making excuses should be over.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on February 25, 2018, 03:51:54 PM
There's still basketball left to be played this year, but when it is time to reflect on this season and review the current state of the program, this has to be reinforced: from the resources that Marquette puts into its program, to its tradition and history, to its conference affiliation, to its fan support and to its continued ability to be a top-25 program each and every year, having four of five years missing the NCAA Tournament is simply unacceptable. Blaming Buzz, stressing the rebuild, promoting the notion that our coaching staff is still learning and growing or going back to the excuse that our team is too young, simply won't cut it anymore. The days of making excuses should be over.
Those days will be over after mid March... or early March if we choke and don't even make the NIT
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on February 25, 2018, 03:51:54 PM
There's still basketball left to be played this year, but when it is time to reflect on this season and review the current state of the program, this has to be reinforced: from the resources that Marquette puts into its program, to its tradition and history, to its conference affiliation, to its fan support and to its continued ability to be a top-25 program each and every year, having four of five years missing the NCAA Tournament is simply unacceptable. Blaming Buzz, stressing the rebuild, promoting the notion that our coaching staff is still learning and growing or going back to the excuse that our team is too young, simply won't cut it anymore. The days of making excuses should be over.
Georgetown, Butler, Xavier, Creighton, none are top 25 every year. There are only 25 slots, and about 120 schools legitimately fighting for that top 25 each year. Excuse or not, is our team not young? Is Markus not 18? Are we small but getting bigger next year with recruits and transfers? Why call them excuses when they are also factual? Next year is big, but this year is exactly how many thought it would be. NIT team, young with ups and downs.
We need a point guard next year that can dribble against pressure and can dribble down the court and not lose the ball. Also we need to learn how to box out . Also with the price of tickets going up possibly 40%, I don't see the attendance going up. I wouldn't be surprised that alot of people drop their seats.
Quote from: WarriorDad on February 25, 2018, 04:26:18 PM
Excuse or not, is our team not young? Is Markus not 18? Are we small but getting bigger next year with recruits and transfers? Why call them excuses when they are also factual? Next year is big, but this year is exactly how many thought it would be. NIT team, young with ups and downs.
I believe that was sort of the point of his post. When
this season is officially over, the time for excuses is also over.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 25, 2018, 04:47:49 PM
I believe that was sort of the point of his post. When this season is officially over, the time for excuses is also over.
I think all Wojo supporters and people giving him the benefit of the doubt would agree. This is the last "wait until next year" year. There should be substantial improvement next year and if there's not it's time to consider all options.
I'm am on the fire Wojo train! Dan Hurley would be a very good hire. If you want Dan Hurley you better make your move ASAP.
Quote from: curbina on February 25, 2018, 06:10:01 PM
I'm am on the fire Wojo train! Dan Hurley would be a very good hire. If you want Dan Hurley you better make your move ASAP.
If you think we can outbid Louisville, Arizona and other big programs, by all means, write to Scholl, Lovell and the BOT, but keep in mind that a job becomes a lot less appealing if potential hires know that they're fired the first year that the don't meet expectations. Not giving coaches a chance generally doesn't inspire others to try.
Cut your loss, ASAP! WoJo is done! One more year will not help him.
Quote from: curbina on February 25, 2018, 06:35:30 PM
Cut your loss, ASAP! WoJo is done! One more year will not help him.
As stated above, firing a coach the first year he underachievs (which is still debatable at this point) , is not a good recipe for attracting new hires. Who would want to come if they know they're gone the first time they don't improve from year to year?
Its DJOver, I'm a Futures Trader and have been one for may years. I make my living by picking winners and losers. I say Wojo is a looser and I'm willing to put my money on the table. We can use willie warrior's minimum acceptable results for wojo shown below. If Wojo completes the minimum scenario you win otherwise I win. Please let me know if you want to put your money on the table.
Posted by willie warrior
So what should be the minimum acceptable results for next year to put out the red carpet for Wojo. This would be a good scenario:
1. Compete for BEast regular season title--at least a top 3 finish.
2. A deep run in BEast tourney
3. A top 15 ranking
4. Regular season record of at least 23-7
5. NCAA tourney regional seed of 4 or better
6. No one and done in tourney
7. Improved home attendance.
The above should be easily attainable given the assets Wojo/MU has, and the support many on this board have advocated on Wojo, and their reasons why we should be so good.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 25, 2018, 09:00:59 AM
I think you are missing my point. On a normal off-season, if it were to open up, the MU job would be one of the best available. This off-season it may not even be top 5. Now if we were to do an internal hire, that would be a different story. But my guess is that Stan would be at about the same level as wojo so the BOT likely would want a nation wide search.
I think you are missing the obvious. MU in any season is not a top 5 open job. You can see that by all of our hires since Majerus. We have never been on a successful high major coach's list of jobs. That is why we continually hire unproven assistants.
Quote from: bilsu on February 25, 2018, 07:13:53 PM
I think you are missing the obvious. MU in any season is not a top 5 open job. You can see that by all of our hires since Majerus. We have never been on a successful high major coach's list of jobs. That is why we continually hire unproven assistants.
What five jobs were better the year that we hired Wojo? I don't think Cal is, Texas could be considered better although there is a serious debate there with football being the number 1, 2, and 3 sport in that state. Those are the only two openings I can remember off the top of my head because that's where Cuonzo and Shaka ended up. I think a lot of Beast jobs are generally pretty desirable because coaches know that basketball will always be number one. What other P6 schools is that the case for? I4, Duke, Kansas, and maybe UCLA. You could very well be right, I don't know, just thinking back I can't remember very many years that there were a lot of open jobs that were obviously more desirable than MU.
Quote from: curbina on February 25, 2018, 07:06:25 PM
Its DJOver, I'm a Futures Trader and have been one for may years. I make my living by picking winners and losers. I say Wojo is a looser and I'm willing to put my money on the table. We can use willie warrior's minimum acceptable results for wojo shown below. If Wojo completes the minimum scenario you win otherwise I win. Please let me know if you want to put your money on the table.
Posted by willie warrior
So what should be the minimum acceptable results for next year to put out the red carpet for Wojo. This would be a good scenario:
1. Compete for BEast regular season title--at least a top 3 finish.
2. A deep run in BEast tourney
3. A top 15 ranking
4. Regular season record of at least 23-7
5. NCAA tourney regional seed of 4 or better
6. No one and done in tourney
7. Improved home attendance.
The above should be easily attainable given the assets Wojo/MU has, and the support many on this board have advocated on Wojo, and their reasons why we should be so good.
I agreed with Willie that those were a good set of achievements that should be attainable, and I'll ask you the same question that I asked him. If we get a top three finish in the Beast, but the highest were ranked during the year is 16, have a record of 22-8, and get a 5 seed in the tourney would that be a failed season to you. I agree that no one and done is a necessity, and I would even take it a step further that if Markus and Sam graduate without a S16 appearance, Wojo's gotta go. As for home attendance, I think we both know that's a sucker bet with the likely bump in ticket prices.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 25, 2018, 07:27:54 PM
What five jobs were better the year that we hired Wojo? I don't think Cal is, Texas could be considered better although there is a serious debate there with football being the number 1, 2, and 3 sport in that state. Those are the only two openings I can remember off the top of my head because that's where Cuonzo and Shaka ended up. I think a lot of Beast jobs are generally pretty desirable because coaches know that basketball will always be number one. What other P6 schools is that the case for? I4, Duke, Kansas, and maybe UCLA. You could very well be right, I don't know, just thinking back I can't remember very many years that there were a lot of open jobs that were obviously more desirable than MU.
Wake Forest was open that year (Danny Manning). I think New Mexico may have also been open that year as well.
And Shaka didn't go to Texas that year. He stayed at VCU for another year and went to Texas the following year.
Quote from: Eldon on February 25, 2018, 09:24:04 PM
Wake Forest was open that year (Danny Manning). I think New Mexico may have also been open that year as well.
And Shaka didn't go to Texas that year. He stayed at VCU for another year and went to Texas the following year.
Thanks for the correction, I think this just furthers my point that when Wojo was hired MU was one of the top 5 jobs available
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 24, 2018, 08:03:42 PM
I'm still convinced that it is just a vocal minority, but there have been more posts suggesting the dismissal of Wojo. My question is, who exactly would you suggest replace him?
This offseason is likely to have the greatest amount of coaching movement in the history of college basketball, with many high profile jobs likely being up for grabs. There is only a limited number of mid-to-high quality mid major coaches out there that will likely be attracting a lot of attention since many of the programs looking for new coaches won't be in a position to just promote assistants.
If I'm a mid major coach that is looking to make the jump this offseason, I would rather go to a blue blood, where I will be given at least 3+ years with little to no expectations to completely rebuild the program the way that I want to. Depending on which players leave with Wojo, assuming his dismissal, we would still be in a position to be competitive in the immediate future so expectations would likely be higher in the short term, even if the existing players don't fit the system that the coach wants to run.
Many people would like a coach with high major experience. My thoughts are that we would already know their ceiling. Crean reached his ceiling at MU, as did Buzz (I don't think he can get VT to an E8, you may disagree). With Cuonzo, we already know his ceiling. I would rather continue to roll the dice with a mid major coach/ high major assistant that would have a lower floor, but a higher potential ceiling, and the majority of the decent to good candidates will be moving to jobs that are "better" than MU.
The blue bloods under investigation will spend whatever it takes to remain there. There are numerous examples of programs that were blue bloods that dropped off a cliff. MU from the end of Rick to the O'Neill. Vegas after Tarkanian. As much as we spend, we will be unable to compete with both the money and the prestige of the current blue bloods.
This is by no means a defense of Wojo. Losing to DePaul is unacceptable no matter the circumstances, but the BOT shouldn't fire Wojo just to fire him. If they decide to move on from the Wojo experiment, they need to make a hire that would be an improvement, and I think a lot of those candidates will also be interviewing for jobs such as Arizona, MSU, Louisville, etc.
Stan is the perfect replacement. He recruited all the kids, is very motivational and is would come at a good price.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 25, 2018, 11:24:14 PM
Stan is the perfect replacement. He recruited all the kids, is very motivational and is would come at a good price.
Yes. Administration is so disappointed in the men's basketball that they fire the head coach....it only makes sense that they hire the number two guy from the program they were so disappointed in to replace him!
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 25, 2018, 11:28:16 PM
Yes. Administration is so disappointed in the men's basketball that they fire the head coach....it only makes sense that they hire the number two guy from the program they were so disappointed in to replace him!
Wojo wont be fired. He will leave on his own accord and Stan will gracefully present himself as the man with a plan.
Wojo deserves a shot next year. He's not going anywhere. If the team massively underperforms next season and the in-game coaching doesn't improve all bets are off.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 25, 2018, 11:30:11 PM
Wojo wont be fired. He will leave on his own accord and Stan will gracefully present himself as the man with a plan.
That sounds very ominous. I hope all is well with Wojo. I know its not been a great season but I would never see him stepping down, too much money and too much promise for the future. Either way, I was hoping things go well next year and that he will be with MU for a long time.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 25, 2018, 11:30:11 PM
Wojo wont be fired. He will leave on his own accord and Stan will gracefully present himself as the man with a plan.
Why would he leave? I heard he and Lovell have bromance. So much so that Lovell gave him a huge contract extension last season.
Wojo runs a clean program. That is paramount. Winning also important and I want to see top 25 every year. I also want a coach that makes the school and the community and the state in which he lives a priority. Finally I want exciting basketball. Wojo has my vote now and for the foreseeable future.
I predict right now that our discussion next year is how to keep him from leaving for a top 10 program.
Quote from: WarriorFan on February 26, 2018, 01:18:05 AM
Wojo runs a clean program. That is paramount. Winning also important and I want to see top 25 every year. I also want a coach that makes the school and the community and the state in which he lives a priority. Finally I want exciting basketball. Wojo has my vote now and for the foreseeable future.
I predict right now that our discussion next year is how to keep him from leaving for a top 10 program.
What could possibly give you that idea? What's on his head coaching resume that would impress top 10 programs? Saying he has your vote for coming years is one thing, saying he's good enough to run the show at Nova, MSU, Kansas, etc is entirely different. Being supportive doesn't have to mean being unrealistic.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 26, 2018, 12:04:01 AM
That sounds very ominous. I hope all is well with Wojo. I know its not been a great season but I would never see him stepping down, too much money and too much promise for the future. Either way, I was hoping things go well next year and that he will be with MU for a long time.
The guy is about WWE type drama BS
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 27, 2018, 08:27:22 AM
The guy is about WWE type drama BS
Thanks. I'll keep that in mind going forward.
Quote from: WarriorFan on February 26, 2018, 01:18:05 AM
Wojo runs a clean program. That is paramount. Winning also important and I want to see top 25 every year. I also want a coach that makes the school and the community and the state in which he lives a priority. Finally I want exciting basketball. Wojo has my vote now and for the foreseeable future.
I predict right now that our discussion next year is how to keep him from leaving for a top 10 program.
I agree with everything except the part about next year.
I think we will be considerably better next season, but top 10 programs typically expect a guy to have more than one big season. The only way he gets on top 10 programs' radar after next season is if we hit the jackpot and make it to the Final Four. Otherwise, it would take at least two or three Sweet Sixteen type years.
Quote from: skianth16 on February 26, 2018, 09:56:53 AM
What could possibly give you that idea? What's on his head coaching resume that would impress top 10 programs? Saying he has your vote for coming years is one thing, saying he's good enough to run the show at Nova, MSU, Kansas, etc is entirely different. Being supportive doesn't have to mean being unrealistic.
Let's say we make the S16 next season...arrogance in the Power 5 schools will have schools like Wake or Maryland saying, he got to the S16 at a "mid major" like Marquette, imagine if we brought him home to his part of the country.
Quote from: The Lens on February 27, 2018, 08:44:18 AM
Let's say we make the S16 next season...arrogance in the Power 5 schools will have schools like Wake or Maryland saying, he got to the S16 at a "mid major" like Marquette, imagine if we brought him home to his part of the country.
Fans may think that. Any AD worth his salt is very aware that 1) Marquette is not a mid-major and 2) Wojo is not making mid-major money. Plus, schools don't hire coaches who have one good year in the hopes that he will turn their program around. He will probably have a nice resume boost next year, but it won't be enough for him to get any offers. AD's know better than that.
Quote from: skianth16 on February 27, 2018, 09:03:29 AM
Fans may think that. Any AD worth his salt is very aware that 1) Marquette is not a mid-major and 2) Wojo is not making mid-major money. Plus, schools don't hire coaches who have one good year in the hopes that he will turn their program around. He will probably have a nice resume boost next year, but it won't be enough for him to get any offers. AD's know better than that.
This. The only way Wojo isn't our coach in 19-20, is if we under perform next year and he gets fired.
Quote from: burger on February 25, 2018, 11:56:29 AM
Hurley......
I was reading locally that Ollie may finally be out at UConn and Hurley would probably be the top target.
Quote from: skianth16 on February 27, 2018, 09:03:29 AM
Fans may think that. Any AD worth his salt is very aware that 1) Marquette is not a mid-major and 2) Wojo is not making mid-major money. Plus, schools don't hire coaches who have one good year in the hopes that he will turn their program around. He will probably have a nice resume boost next year, but it won't be enough for him to get any offers. AD's know better than that.
Sometimes they don't even have 1 good season. See LaVall Jordan @ Butler.
Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on February 27, 2018, 11:31:40 AM
Sometimes they don't even have 1 good season. See LaVall Jordan @ Butler.
Somewhat an exception to the rule with Jordan being a Butler guy and the entire process being started late, going back to Matta deciding to leave late, leading Holtmann to be hired late, meaning BU was somewhat desperate, but agree with your point. It really only takes a S16 run with a mid major to get a P6 job. Timing would have to be good, with your run happening the year before multiple jobs open, but it really only takes 1