Poll
Question:
Who would you start at PG next year?
Option 1: Player A: 18.4% assist rate 14.4% TO rate (72.1 percentile & 17.8 percentile)
votes: 65
Option 2: Player B: 11.9% assist rate 21.8% TO rate (40.2 percentile & 69.1 percentile)
votes: 10
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Markus
Based on the projected roster right now, Markus.
It's why I said he was missed last night to spell Andy at the 1. Markus.
Markus is probably the better option over Greg right now, but even he isn't a great choice. He'll have to work on his ballhandling and court vision big time this summer to be an effective PG next year. He's been prone to picking up his dribble in bad spots and moving with his head down too often. I think he can get there, but I think he's more effective at the 2.
If last night was a bit of an audition for Greg, then I'd have to say it didn't go so well. Maybe he'll have another opportunity on Saturday, and hopefully he can show a little more confidence with the ball. Like Markus, I think he can get there, but it'll take some work.
Quentin Grimes
I thought it pretty funny when I looked at the order of the threads on the Al page:
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"Who would you start at PG next year?"
"Froling?"
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Quote from: mikekinsellaMVP on February 22, 2018, 11:23:12 AM
I thought it pretty funny when I looked at the order of the threads on the Al page:
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"Who would you start at PG next year?"
"Froling?"
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You joke, but he may be the best passer on next years team
It's a no-brainer if between Markus and Greg: Markus. No reason Markus doesn't start at PG next year. Personally, I'm becoming less concerned about us landing a grad transfer PG. Think Elliott can get the job done for 5-10 minutes a game next year when Markus is getting a rest.
Really like the idea of Cain and Elliott getting a lot of minutes/further experience next year (which would be minimized if we bring in grad transfer PG) Risk of course with not landing a grad transfer PG is if Markus gets injured - we would be in major trouble.
Derrick Wilson
A grad transfer.
Markus backs him up. Greg backs up Markus at the 2.
Greg is a very good passer when he is able to catch the ball on the move on the wing and get into the lane. He did not look comfortable being the primary ball handler trying to initiate the offense.
Greg Elliott. I'd rather have Markus play shooting guard.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 22, 2018, 11:44:22 AM
A grad transfer.
Markus backs him up. Greg backs up Markus at the 2.
Greg is a very good passer when he is able to catch the ball on the move on the wing and get into the lane. He did not look comfortable being the primary ball handler trying to initiate the offense.
Agree. We have seen little to suggest either can play point.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 22, 2018, 11:24:23 AM
You joke, but he may be the best passer on next years team
Have u ever seen sam hauser play?
If I had to pick one, it would be Elliott...after a summer of working endlessly to improve his PG skills. Markus has gotten huge minutes for two straight years, and still hasn't shown the skillset. If either is likely to dramatically improve over the summer, I'd put my money on the frosh who is still just showing us the tip of the iceberg.
If we don't see some marked improvement, next year could be frustrating.
A Ferrari without a steering wheel....
Disagree with almost this entire string.
Greg is basically wearing a cast, yet has more length, blow by speed and athleticism to dribble penetrate. He also looks to pass he had a couple really nice assists last night. The wrap around, where he basically had his head almost torn off and no call, showed the length, athleticism and cOurt vision Howard has heretofore not demostrated.
Now should we talk about defense and negating initial dribble penetration or do we want the opposing pg at tge block/charge arc all next year.
He had two turnovers last night the first one he jyst rushed and the second he lofted over theo by a few inches. None were of the stripped, dribble off his leg , fumble of the markus variety.
Markus is a 12 inches shorter Steve Novak, he can shoot period
Quote from: moneymac on February 22, 2018, 12:05:28 PM
Greg Elliott. I'd rather have Markus play shooting guard.
He can't even dribble with his off hand! You guys are unbelievable. He's not a PG, not close to a PH. Maybe when he's an upper classmen.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 22, 2018, 04:40:16 PM
Disagree with almost this entire string.
Greg is basically wearing a cast, yet has more length, blow by speed and athleticism to dribble penetrate. He also looks to pass he had a couple really nice assists last night. The wrap around, where he basically had his head almost torn off and no call, showed the length, athleticism and cOurt vision Howard has heretofore not demostrated.
Now should we talk about defense and negating initial dribble penetration or do we want the opposing pg at tge block/charge arc all next year.
He had two turnovers last night the first one he jyst rushed and the second he lofted over theo by a few inches. None were of the stripped, dribble off his leg , fumble of the markus variety.
Markus is a 12 inches shorter Steve Novak, he can shoot period
Greg handles the ball about 1/50th of the amount of time Markus does. My guess is if Greg was asked to handle the ball as much as Markus has been, he'd also turn the ball over a lot given that he might be skinnier than me and he'd get bumped off of his spot constantly.
Also, you realize that teams aren't required to match up defensively with the same player that is defending them, right? Or that a point guard can't guard the opposing team's shooting guard, right?
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 22, 2018, 04:36:58 PM
If I had to pick one, it would be Elliott...after a summer of working endlessly to improve his PG skills. Markus has gotten huge minutes for two straight years, and still hasn't shown the skillset. If either is likely to dramatically improve over the summer, I'd put my money on the frosh who is still just showing us the tip of the iceberg.
If we don't see some marked improvement, next year could be frustrating.
A Ferrari without a steering wheel....
Honest question, is Greg older than Markus?
Yes. The only player younger than Markus is Jamal.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 22, 2018, 06:02:40 PM
Yes. The only player younger than Markus is Jamal.
Joseph.
I'm hoping our starting PG for next year isn't on the roster yet.
Howard really struggles bringing the ball up against a defender. He also needs to work on creating shots for others. I really love that he added the floater this year (that shot was what killed us last year as South Carolina had 7 or 8 floaters that looked like awful shots, yet all fell).
Howard can improve as a ball-handler and defender. right now he's sub-par at both.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on February 22, 2018, 04:44:13 PM
He can't even dribble with his off hand! You guys are unbelievable. He's not a PG, not close to a PH. Maybe when he's an upper classmen.
The off hand is the injured hand. He is playing one handed.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 22, 2018, 06:06:13 PM
I'm hoping our starting PG for next year isn't on the roster yet.
If he's not, we're likely going to start two small guards again with Markus playing the 2.
I'd almost prefer Markus was handed the reigns and allowed to approve with the great amount of talent around him.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on February 22, 2018, 07:40:58 PM
If he's not, we're likely going to start two small guards again with Markus playing the 2.
I'd almost prefer Markus was handed the reigns and allowed to approve with the great amount of talent around him.
I approve of this message.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on February 22, 2018, 07:40:58 PM
If he's not, we're likely going to start two small guards again with Markus playing the 2.
I don't know the future roster so well, but who is the other small guard? I thought nearly our entire lineup was over 6'4" except Howard next year.
Quote from: AZMarqfan on February 22, 2018, 07:48:18 PM
I don't know the future roster so well, but who is the other small guard? I thought nearly our entire lineup was over 6'4" except Howard next year.
This is assuming we get a grad transfer PG. I'd assume the other PG we brought in would be 6'2 at the tallest.
6'2 or 6'3 can be a pretty big difference from 5'10.......especially if the 6'2/3 guy can defend.
If it ends up being Howard were in trouble, dude cannot create shots for others like Rowsey, Carlino, or Diener does. Howard looks to shoot often, but unlike the others, does not look to get his team involved. He also is a horrible dribble.
Also is player 1 Hauser? It might be
Player A= Markus Howard
Player B= Greg Elliott
Quote from: wadesworld on February 22, 2018, 11:44:22 AM
A grad transfer.
Markus backs him up. Greg backs up Markus at the 2.
Greg is a very good passer when he is able to catch the ball on the move on the wing and get into the lane. He did not look comfortable being the primary ball handler trying to initiate the offense.
This.
I would not be surprised if we switch up the offense next year and run more sets out of the high post to get Hauser more involved. It would reduce the amount of dribbling required by Howard and if Hauser is being guarded by a 3 he should be able to see/pass to the whole court.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on February 22, 2018, 10:46:50 PM
Player A= Markus Howard
Player B= Greg Elliott
Just saw.
But Hausers 16.2% to 11.7% isnt to bad.
Also for those who are Saying Rowsey is not a good point guard hes got a 27% to 16.3. For as much as he has the ball in his hands, those are some insanely good stats.
OH and since I was blasted on a game thread a while back for saying Rowsey had better shot creation then Howard, I now have the stats to prove it.
Rowsey
(https://i.gyazo.com/f1a5408b4e473f19f37ab0bfa3d2d5fc.png)
Howard
(https://i.gyazo.com/41f78919887f3f3df672c26d75b5c3cf.png)
Though according to this, we really need to give Sam the ball a lot more.
(https://i.gyazo.com/1160959425e63fddce7962359677292b.png)
Rowsey's junior year stats:
Assist rate 19.7
TO Rate 15.3
Markus is not far off from those numbers. He could improve to. Rowsey levels as he gains experience and works on his ball handling. Even if he doesn't, he still is the most proven PG on the returning roster. Those clamoring for Elliott are exhibiting signs of "Backup QB Syndrome." That said, I'd still like to add a big grad transfer PG that can defend. We shall see.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on February 22, 2018, 11:00:03 PM
Rowsey's junior year stats:
Assist rate 19.7
TO Rate 15.3
Markus is not far off from those numbers. He could improve to. Rowsey levels as he gains experience and works on his ball handling. Even if he doesn't, he still is the most proven PG on the returning roster. Those clamoring for Elliott are exhibiting signs of "Backup QB Syndrome." That said, I'd still like to add a big grad transfer PG that can defend. We shall see.
Anyone clamoring for Elliott to be our saving grace after watching the 2 minutes last night must really just hate high usage point guards. Because theres no reason for elliot to ever be there with his current skills.
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on February 22, 2018, 10:38:41 PM
If it ends up being Howard were in trouble, dude cannot create shots for others like Rowsey, Carlino, or Diener does. Howard looks to shoot often, but unlike the others, does not look to get his team involved. He also is a horrible dribble.
Rowsey couldn't get his teammates involved his first two years either. Players improve.
Markus' ball handling is perfectly fine. He is good at beating his man and drawing extra defenders. He just needs to be willing to make the pass.
Is Landry Shamet available?
Quote from: MU82 on February 22, 2018, 11:57:09 PM
Is Landry Shamet available?
Probably, but I'm not sure the Bucks will be looking at a PG with their pick after adding Bledsoe.
After the two minutes of Greg at the point in the SJU game, I am leaning toward Markus. I think Greg will be better next year with 2 good hands and 15 lbs heavier. But Markus still gets my vote. Actually, grad transfer PG PLUS a decent freshman gets my vote.
Quote from: tower912 on February 23, 2018, 10:04:11 AM
After the two minutes of Greg at the point in the SJU game, I am leaning toward Markus. I think Greg will be better next year with 2 good hands and 15 lbs heavier. But Markus still gets my vote. Actually, grad transfer PG PLUS a decent freshman gets my vote.
Wouldn't we need someone to leave for this to happen?
I know, never stop recruiting, but I have been slightly confused about the scholly situation ever since the Baily mission.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 23, 2018, 10:05:49 AM
Wouldn't we need someone to leave for this to happen?
I know, never stop recruiting, but I have been slightly confused about the scholly situation ever since the Baily mission.
Correct. While technically all scholarships are still open, we are projected to only have one available scholarship for next season
I have no inside knowledge or gut feeling. All I know is that someone has transferred every year since 2000. As much as I would prefer otherwise, I do not think that streak ends. So, yes, two.
Quote from: tower912 on February 23, 2018, 10:15:55 AM
I have no inside knowledge or gut feeling. All I know is that someone has transferred every year since 2000. As much as I would prefer otherwise, I do not think that streak ends. So, yes, two.
If a second becomes available, I want grad transfer PG and traditional transfer BPA. Then a 2019 PG.
No matter who you choose on the current Roster, what happens when/if they are injured.
No Brainer for me its a Grad Transfer either as a Starter or a Backup.
We have to get a point guard from somewhere. Marcus and Greg aren't point guards. We won't go anywhere even with all the talent around them if we don't get someone who can handle pressure .
WE HAVE 2 TRUE GUARDS NEXT YEAR!
SHOOTING.....POINT......COMBO......
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on February 22, 2018, 10:54:08 PM
Though according to this, we really need to give Sam the ball a lot more.
(https://i.gyazo.com/1160959425e63fddce7962359677292b.png)
And Matt.