Been watching the other BE teams and two things stand out in comparison. Yes we can shoot the rock, but we are boys among men when it comes to physicality and athleticism. I know the team is young but this is not a new problem. Our guards are undersized, our power forwards are non-existent and our centers,except Theo are slow footed and have shown very little offensive propensity. Greg and Jamal, while more athletic are painfully undersized as far as bulk. Other teams seem to get their share of more physically developed players,what is our problem ? Don't know how good Morrow is supposed to be , but if he and Theo don't pan out, it will be another long year next year. Can't see Froling being an answer the next two years !!
Quote from: drbob on February 14, 2018, 10:19:08 PM
Been watching the other BE teams and two things stand out in comparison. Yes we can shoot the rock, but we are boys among men when it comes to physicality and athleticism. I know the team is young but this is not a new problem. Our guards are undersized, our power forwards are non-existent and our centers,except Theo are slow footed and have shown very little offensive propensity. Greg and Jamal, while more athletic are painfully undersized as far as bulk. Other teams seem to get their share of more physically developed players,what is our problem ? Don't know how good Morrow is supposed to be , but if he and Theo don't pan out, it will be another long year next year. Can't see Froling being an answer the next two years !!
We're losing a sub 6 foot guard and gaining 4 forwards, at least three of which, will have a significant physical presence. The only question marks being Ike's recovery, and Bailey's potential rust. I'm not at all worried about our front court next year.
They lost tonight even though Durant had a monster game. Going to be a dog fight with the Rockets for the #1 seed in the West.
Quote from: drbob on February 14, 2018, 10:19:08 PM
Been watching the other BE teams and two things stand out in comparison. Yes we can shoot the rock, but we are boys among men when it comes to physicality and athleticism. I know the team is young but this is not a new problem. Our guards are undersized, our power forwards are non-existent and our centers,except Theo are slow footed and have shown very little offensive propensity. Greg and Jamal, while more athletic are painfully undersized as far as bulk. Other teams seem to get their share of more physically developed players,what is our problem ? Don't know how good Morrow is supposed to be , but if he and Theo don't pan out, it will be another long year next year. Can't see Froling being an answer the next two years !!
Morrow averaged nearly 8 rebounds a game in the Big Ten as a Sophomore. He also registered 27 blocked shots in an injury filled season. Front court will not be our problem. Our defensive toughness and size get better next year due to incoming talent. We need a point guard, pass first point guard.
Oh good. Another repeat
Dis is awsum, aina?
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 14, 2018, 10:29:25 PM
We're losing a sub 6 foot guard and gaining 4 forwards, at least three of which, will have a significant physical presence. The only question marks being Ike's recovery, and Bailey's potential rust. I'm not at all worried about our front court next year.
Yup. We will be really good next year. Wash, rinse and repeat.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 15, 2018, 12:46:49 PM
Yup. We will be really good next year. Wash, rinse and repeat.
I said I'm not worried about our front court. We don't lose anybody, and gain two 6'-7" players, a 6'-8" player, and a 6'-9" player. What more could possibly be done to improve that area?
Ya know as much as we all like MU, if we were national champions every year, things would get pretty boring, although I'm sure you would still complain, it's the struggle that makes the reward as sweet as it is. If you want a top 5 team every year, go root for Duke, or Kentucky, because as much as you rip everyone on the team we're not gonna win it all next year.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 14, 2018, 10:29:25 PM
We're losing a sub 6 foot guard and gaining 4 forwards, at least three of which, will have a significant physical presence. The only question marks being Ike's recovery, and Bailey's potential rust. I'm not at all worried about our front court next year.
No point guard is no bueno. As far as the forwards, Morrow is legit. Who knows if Ike stays and Bailey has not played competitive ball in two years. I would expect little if anything from either of those two.
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 15, 2018, 02:49:51 PM
No point guard is no bueno. As far as the forwards, Morrow is legit. Who knows if Ike stays and Bailey has not played competitive ball in two years. I would expect little if anything from either of those two.
Are we really onto Ike transferring rumors already?
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 15, 2018, 02:57:04 PM
Are we really onto Ike transferring rumors already?
Ike transferring makes zero sense.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 15, 2018, 02:59:59 PM
Ike transferring makes zero sense.
I agree. Have no idea where 79 came up with that.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 15, 2018, 03:01:48 PM
I agree. Have no idea where 79 came up with that.
He is an incredibly negative dude, so probably just assumes the worst.
Ike's only problem is to recover from surgery and get back to practice and conditioning routine.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 15, 2018, 03:01:48 PM
I agree. Have no idea where 79 came up with that.
I am not saying he leaves at all. We seem to have a log jam at forward, that's all.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 15, 2018, 03:03:08 PM
He is an incredibly negative dude, so probably just assumes the worst.
So, if opinions are contrary to yours they are negative? How about some feel that the program is not meeting expectations and are realistic enough to point it out rather then listing a dozen ways we can back into the NCAA. Easiest way in is for MU to win games.
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 15, 2018, 03:37:35 PM
So, if opinions are contrary to yours they are negative? How about some feel that the program is not meeting expectations and are realistic enough to point it out rather then listing a dozen ways we can back into the NCAA. Easiest way in is for MU to win games.
Edit. Didn't see your other response.
The log jam at the 4 and 5 supports my original post that I'm not worried about the front court.
The thread originally started raising questions about our physicality, and front court players are generally much more physical than back court. There are plenty of other threads about our back court need so I was just looking at our bigs.
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 15, 2018, 03:37:35 PM
So, if opinions are contrary to yours they are negative? How about some feel that the program is not meeting expectations and are realistic enough to point it out rather then listing a dozen ways we can back into the NCAA. Easiest way in is for MU to win games.
No sh*t Sherlock.
What exactly did you expect this year? A top 25 team? This team is exactly what every reasonable fan thought it would be. A .500ish Big East team that would be a back end tournament team if things went right or NIT team if they didn't. Either path is still a possibility, believe it or not.
You can puff out your chest and bit*h and moan if that makes you feel better. But no idea what it accomplishes other than just sounding whiny as hell and proving you had unrealistic expectations for this team.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 15, 2018, 02:59:59 PM
Ike transferring makes zero sense.
If they got immediately eligibility, the story changes aina
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 15, 2018, 04:00:05 PM
No sh*t Sherlock.
What exactly did you expect this year? A top 25 team? This team is exactly what every reasonable fan thought it would be. A .500ish Big East team that would be a back end tournament team if things went right or NIT team if they didn't. Either path is still a possibility, believe it or not.
You can puff out your chest and bit*h and moan if that makes you feel better. But no idea what it accomplishes other than just sounding whiny as hell and proving you had unrealistic expectations for this team.
BE pre season coaches poll was 7th. Right now they are 7th.
That 7th place prediction was with Haanif. There were 8th place predictions, too. But logic and perspective are out of vogue.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 15, 2018, 12:53:47 PM
I said I'm not worried about our front court. We don't lose anybody, and gain two 6'-7" players, a 6'-8" player, and a 6'-9" player. What more could possibly be done to improve that area?
Ya know as much as we all like MU, if we were national champions every year, things would get pretty boring, although I'm sure you would still complain, it's the struggle that makes the reward as sweet as it is. If you want a top 5 team every year, go root for Duke, or Kentucky, because as much as you rip everyone on the team we're not gonna win it all next year.
Correction
Bailey is 6'8"
Joey is 6'9"
Eke is 6'9 or 10".
Nitpicking.
Quote from: tower912 on February 15, 2018, 04:54:50 PM
That 7th place prediction was with Haanif. There were 8th place predictions, too. But logic and perspective are out of vogue.
As a matter of perspective do you feel being projected for a 7th or 8th place finish in Year 4 of Wojo's tenure is a vote of confidence that we have the right man on the job?
Kids transferring out of the program ultimately is on Wojo. Think it is kind of an irrelevant statement to even suggest Haanif leaving justifies the "performance."
Personally I was hoping in Year 4 we'd be a solid NCAA team and not be a coin flip probability of beating DePaul and St.Johns (in any venue.)
Quote from: Floorslapper on February 15, 2018, 06:25:27 PM
As a matter of perspective do you feel being projected for a 7th or 8th place finish in Year 4 of Wojo's tenure is a vote of confidence that we have the right man on the job?
Kids transferring out of the program ultimately is on Wojo. Think it is kind of an irrelevant statement to even suggest Haanif leaving justifies the "performance."
Personally I was hoping in Year 4 we'd be a solid NCAA team and not be a coin flip probability of beating DePaul and St.Johns (in any venue.)
I think we all hoped that. But I think when we all saw the roster last year and what we'd be losing that this year has gone about to expectation.
And if year 5 isn't significantly better than year 4* I think pretty much everyone will be ready to move on, and even the most optimistic of us would will be ready to move on if we're not a consistent top 25 team in year 6.
*If we finish 4-1 to end up at 9-9, I think a two game improvement to 11-7 would suffice. 11-7 or better in conference is my expectation next year. If we're not there I will be very concerned.
Quote from: Floorslapper on February 15, 2018, 06:25:27 PM
As a matter of perspective do you feel being projected for a 7th or 8th place finish in Year 4 of Wojo's tenure is a vote of confidence that we have the right man on the job?
As opposed to Jay Wright's 13th place finish in year 11 at Nova? Or Chris Mack's seventh place finish in his 8th year at Xavier? Or Greg McDermott's 9th place finish in year 5 at Creighton?
This team is performing to what I expected. I expect a lot more out of next year's team.
Quote from: Floorslapper on February 15, 2018, 06:25:27 PM
As a matter of perspective do you feel being projected for a 7th or 8th place finish in Year 4 of Wojo's tenure is a vote of confidence that we have the right man on the job?
Kids transferring out of the program ultimately is on Wojo. Think it is kind of an irrelevant statement to even suggest Haanif leaving justifies the "performance."
Personally I was hoping in Year 4 we'd be a solid NCAA team and not be a coin flip probability of beating DePaul and St.Johns (in any venue.)
4 of the top 9 players from last year's tourney team were gone. A fifth left mid year. It is a far different team, a far younger team. It isn't what I hoped, and I did fall prey to some preseason optimism. I am not saying Haanif's leaving justifies performance. I am reminding that the preseason prognosticators looked at Marquette's roster and objectively and without agenda said 7th. As opposed to our blue and gold hearts that said higher and NCAA tourney.
To your other statement, I think what I have always thought. I had concerns when Wojo came to MU. Lack of head coaching experience and only having exposure to one system being two of them. I have said that, IMO, the key to Wojo's long term success is for him to be able to grow beyond his Duke roots. I'm not convinced he has yet. But I still believe he has the capacity to do so. I can still see the road map. I still support him. But the jury is still out.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 15, 2018, 06:46:38 PM
As opposed to Jay Wright's 13th place finish in year 11 at Nova? Or Chris Mack's seventh place finish in his 8th year at Xavier? Or Greg McDermott's 9th place finish in year 5 at Creighton?
This team is performing to what I expected. I expect a lot more out of next year's team.
Jay Wright had a bad year in year 11 at Villanova but he was coming off of 7 straight NCAAS including 2 Sweet 16s, one Elite 8 and one Final Four.
Chris Mack's 7th place in year 8 (9-9 in the Big East) was the result of losing his 2 best players to injury. In that "bad" year they still made the NCAAs, regrouped and advanced to the Elite 8. This will be his 7th NCAA tournament in 8 years at Xavier.
Any comparisons of those guys' records to Wojo's is ridiculous.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 15, 2018, 07:37:39 PM
Jay Wright had a bad year in year 11 at Villanova but he was coming off of 7 straight NCAAS including 2 Sweet 16s, one Elite 8 and one Final Four.
Chris Mack's 7th place in year 8 (9-9 in the Big East) was the result of losing his 2 best players to injury. In that "bad" year they still made the NCAAs, regrouped and advanced to the Elite 8. This will be his 7th NCAA tournament in 8 years at Xavier.
Any comparisons of those guys' records to Wojo's is ridiculous.
The point is the whole concept of finishing in x place in y year is ridiculous.
Teams and coaches don't steadily improve without regression. Wojo had MU improving each year until they made the NCAAs. They were obviously going to regress this year. They should obviously improve next year.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 15, 2018, 07:41:00 PM
The point is the whole concept of finishing in x place in y year is ridiculous.
Teams and coaches don't steadily improve without regression. Wojo had MU improving each year until they made the NCAAs. They were obviously going to regress this year. They should obviously improve next year.
Your opinion may or may not have merit.
The choices you made to illustrate it did not.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 15, 2018, 07:44:46 PM
Your opinion may or may not have merit.
The choices you made to illustrate it did not.
Uh...yeah they did. My entire point wasn't to compare Wojo to them, but that even established coaches can have regressions. Sometimes multiple year regressions.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 15, 2018, 07:46:15 PM
Uh...yeah they did. My entire point wasn't to compare Wojo to them, but that even established coaches can have regressions. Sometimes multiple year regressions.
Uh...no. Your "regression" for Mack was an Elite 8 season, the kind of success Wojo may have dreamed about but has never approached. Weak work, Sultan.
Quote from: Floorslapper on February 15, 2018, 06:25:27 PM
As a matter of perspective do you feel being projected for a 7th or 8th place finish in Year 4 of Wojo's tenure is a vote of confidence that we have the right man on the job?
Kids transferring out of the program ultimately is on Wojo. Think it is kind of an irrelevant statement to even suggest Haanif leaving justifies the "performance."
Personally I was hoping in Year 4 we'd be a solid NCAA team and not be a coin flip probability of beating DePaul and St.Johns (in any venue.)
In a vacuum, expecting better than a 7th place finish in the Big East by year 4 is absolutely a reasonable expectation.
Once you look at the roster Wojo took over and the rest of the Big East, it becomes a little less reasonable.
Wojo inherited a roster full of players who would graduate in 2017. He lost some of those but gained others who would graduate in 2017. Wojo essentially had two options, he could have run off players like JJJ, Luke, Sandy, Duane etc who, while solid players, were never going to amount to more than one 10 seed in an NCAA tournament. He could have also avoided recruiting quick fixes like Car3no, Henry, and Katin. Instead he could have recruited freshman and younger transfers to build for year 4. It would have mean really bad basketball the first three years but probably a better team this season.
Instead, Wojo tried to put a winning product on the floor the first three years, knowing there was going to be a step back in year four, while building for years five and six. Was it the right move? Maybe, maybe not. If it ends up in a tournament streak starting next year, I think it was worth it.
The other thing is the Big East itself. This is the deepest Big East since the reformation. A team that finishes 7th this season likely would have finished 3rd in Wojo's first season. Next season....it will be one of the more shallow Big Easts.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 15, 2018, 07:58:42 PM
Uh...no. Your "regression" for Mack was an Elite 8 season, the kind of success Wojo may have dreamed about but has never approached. Weak work, Sultan.
Wasn't the whole debate about what place they finished in conference standings? Not about NCAA tourney results
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 15, 2018, 07:58:42 PM
Uh...no. Your "regression" for Mack was an Elite 8 season, the kind of success Wojo may have dreamed about but has never approached. Weak work, Sultan.
I was using the same logic Ners was.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 15, 2018, 08:03:22 PM
Wasn't the whole debate about what place they finished in conference standings? Not about NCAA tourney results
Bingo!
Where you finish in conference standings isn't a very good measuring stick. Conference strength varies between years. Also if you finish in a 4 way tie for 4th did you finish 4th or 7th? What if one year there's a lot parity and everyone ends up around 9-9 and the next year there are three garbage teams so the 7th place team ends up with a winning record?
I prefer KenPom rankings or NCAA tournament seeds. Relatively between years the team ranked 50th in KenPom is about as good as the team ranked 50th in KenPom the previous year. 6 seeds between the years tend to be about the same quality.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 15, 2018, 08:13:13 PM
Where you finish in conference standings isn't a very good measuring stick. Conference strength varies between years. Also if you finish in a 4 way tie for 4th did you finish 4th or 7th? What if one year there's a lot parity and everyone ends up around 9-9 and the next year there are three garbage teams so the 7th place team ends up with a winning record?
I prefer KenPom rankings or NCAA tournament seeds. Relatively between years the team ranked 50th in KenPom is about as good as the team ranked 50th in KenPom the previous year. 6 seeds between the years tend to be about the same quality.
Last year for example. Middle of the Big East was jammed so *technically* we finished 3rd last year. Did anyonr expect that? No? Guess Wojo exceeded expectations by a huge margin!
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 15, 2018, 08:03:22 PM
Wasn't the whole debate about what place they finished in conference standings? Not about NCAA tourney results
No. Floorslapper specifically said "wouldn't you rather have a solid NCAA team" (see Xavier, last year in the Elite 8).
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 15, 2018, 08:20:43 PM
No. Floorslapper specifically said "wouldn't you rather have a solid NCAA team" (see Xavier, last year in the Elite 8).
Not the part I quoted and responded to.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 15, 2018, 08:30:19 PM
Not the part I quoted and responded to.
Partial quotes that intentionally alter the true meaning of the quoted poster. Not your best work, Sultan.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 15, 2018, 09:35:45 PM
Partial quotes that intentionally alter the true meaning of the quoted poster. Not your best work, Sultan.
He asked a question. I answered that specific question. That is something that is done often when a post addresses multiple points or rambles on.
So go eat a dick Lennys.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 15, 2018, 09:48:07 PM
He asked a question. I answered that specific question. That is something that is done often when a post addresses multiple points or rambles on.
So go eat a dick Lennys.
LOL. What are you, 10?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 15, 2018, 09:54:21 PM
LOL. What are you, 10?
A ten year old at least won't engage in the shifting goalposts like you did above. They are more intellectually honest. Shameful display of your Marquette education.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 15, 2018, 10:13:41 PM
A ten year old at least won't engage in the shifting goalposts like you did above. They are more intellectually honest. Shameful display of your Marquette education.
Says the guy who tells other guys to eat a dick. LOL, Aristotle.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 15, 2018, 07:37:39 PM
Jay Wright had a bad year in year 11 at Villanova but he was coming off of 7 straight NCAAS including 2 Sweet 16s, one Elite 8 and one Final Four.
Chris Mack's 7th place in year 8 (9-9 in the Big East) was the result of losing his 2 best players to injury. In that "bad" year they still made the NCAAs, regrouped and advanced to the Elite 8. This will be his 7th NCAA tournament in 8 years at Xavier.
Any comparisons of those guys' records to Wojo's is ridiculous.
Drop the mic.
Completely ludicrous to try to compare Wojo to coaches who have a sh$t ton of skins on the wall and accomplishments. Such accomplishments earn a lot of grace from any organization, for a down year or even years.
Sorry this caused Sultan to go off the rails and suggest you eat a dick (for making a prescient point.).
Quote from: tower912 on February 15, 2018, 06:56:11 PM
4 of the top 9 players from last year's tourney team were gone. A fifth left mid year. It is a far different team, a far younger team. It isn't what I hoped, and I did fall prey to some preseason optimism. I am not saying Haanif's leaving justifies performance. I am reminding that the preseason prognosticators looked at Marquette's roster and objectively and without agenda said 7th. As opposed to our blue and gold hearts that said higher and NCAA tourney.
To your other statement, I think what I have always thought. I had concerns when Wojo came to MU. Lack of head coaching experience and only having exposure to one system being two of them. I have said that, IMO, the key to Wojo's long term success is for him to be able to grow beyond his Duke roots. I'm not convinced he has yet. But I still believe he has the capacity to do so. I can still see the road map. I still support him. But the jury is still out.
Solid post Tower. I hope Wojo succeeds. Last thing I want is 4 more years of struggle/rebuilding, etc. he's improved some. We play an entertaining style of basketball. It's not an awful product on the floor by any means. But, we need to take that next step.
As for preseason prognostications though, we all should remember Buzz's last team was picked to win the conference. (They missed the NIT.). Yet in retrospect think it is quite clear to most that Buzz was WAY checked out his last year at MU..this the result being so far off the mark.
Quote from: Floorslapper on February 15, 2018, 10:56:21 PM
Solid post Tower. I hope Wojo succeeds. Last thing I want is 4 more years of struggle/rebuilding, etc. he's improved some. We play an entertaining style of basketball. It's not an awful product on the floor by any means. But, we need to take that next step.
As for preseason prognostications though, we all should remember Buzz's last team was picked to win the conference. (They missed the NIT.). Yet in retrospect think it is quite clear to most that Buzz was WAY checked out his last year at MU..this the result being so far off the mark.
I think you're giving Buzz the benefit of the doubt. But either way it was a crap coaching job
Golly, thanks for liking my post, ners. I am all atingle. As to prognostications, yes, sometimes they get them right, and sometimes they get them wrong.
In before the lock.
Quote from: Floorslapper on February 15, 2018, 10:47:21 PM
Drop the mic.
Completely ludicrous to try to compare Wojo to coaches who have a sh$t ton of skins on the wall and accomplishments. Such accomplishments earn a lot of grace from any organization, for a down year or even years.
Sorry this caused Sultan to go off the rails and suggest you eat a dick (for making a prescient point.).
Ners still hasn't solved his reading problem I see.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 15, 2018, 09:48:07 PM
He asked a question. I answered that specific question. That is something that is done often when a post addresses multiple points or rambles on.
So go eat a dick Lennys.
I thought it was "eat a bag of d!cks." That way you can send sweets on Valentine's Day. https://dicksbymail.com
Quote from: connie on February 16, 2018, 07:48:51 AM
I thought it was "eat a bag of d!cks." That way you can send sweets on Valentine's Day. https://dicksbymail.com
Is that what the kids say these days? Dammit. Always out of touch.
My personal favorite is when my wife is searching the web for sporting goods for our son and starts the conversation with "I was looking at Dick's online". I giggle like a twelve year old every time.
Don't understand y wee kan't all bee fookin' friends, aina?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 15, 2018, 07:37:39 PM
Any comparisons of those guys' records to Wojo's is ridiculous.
Yah but Coach K started out sh*tty too, hey?
Quote from: #bansultan on February 15, 2018, 09:48:07 PM
So go eat a dick Lennys.
^^^ ban dis guy. So homophobic and mean! Posting only to say naughty things. Sad! #banSultan
Now, as for this year's MU. The idea was they'd be worse on offense, hopefully better on defense. The question was how much worse & bettter?
The answer so far... a little bit worse on offense, a little bit better on defense per KenPom Adjd efficiencies relative to all of DI.
Also, they looked like a bubblevteam, more likely on the outside looking in.
Now we're in a spot where you can still go 4-1 and have a very good shot at making the tourney, and have only one "very difficult" game left.
It's not as if sitting where we are today should be a shock when comparing to preseason expectations.
The good news for those of us level headed folks that see this is that the consistent expectation for 2018-19 have been that it will be a very strong year. That expectation hasn't changed.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 16, 2018, 10:03:07 AM
^^^ ban dis guy. So homophobic and mean! Posting only to say naughty things. Sad! #banSultan
Now, as for this year's MU. The idea was they'd be worse on offense, hopefully better on defense. The question was how much worse & bettter?
The answer so far... a little bit worse on offense, a little bit better on defense per KenPom Adjd efficiencies relative to all of DI.
Also, they looked like a bubblevteam, more likely on the outside looking in.
Now we're in a spot where you can still go 4-1 and have a very good shot at making the tourney, and have only one "very difficult" game left.
It's not as if sitting where we are today should be a shock when comparing to preseason expectations.
The good news for those of us level headed folks that see this is that the consistent expectation for 2018-19 have been that it will be a very strong year. That expectation hasn't changed.
JB so if 18-19 doesn't go that well, will you be ready for a change. Honestly, I dont see us being higher than a 7-10 seed unless we get a solid grad transfer pg
Quote from: Marquette4life on February 16, 2018, 10:07:25 AM
JB so if 18-19 doesn't go that well, will you be ready for a change. Honestly, I dont see us being higher than a 7-10 seed unless we get a solid grad transfer pg
And learn to play defense...
Quote from: Daniel on February 16, 2018, 10:09:37 AM
And learn to play defense...
True lol I think morrow should help I think. Is bailey good defender
Yes and no. Let us pretend for a moment that MU does not get a grad transfer PG and nobody transfers.
PG: Howard, Elliott
SG: Anim, Cain, (Sam, Joey, Bailey)
SF: Sam, Joey, Bailey, Cain
PF: Morrow, Theo, Joey, Bailey
C: Theo, Heldt, Froling, Ike.
Would another PG help? Hell, yes. Can that team, assuming health, still do major damage? Hell, yes. Size and experience and depth everywhere (except PG). If somebody is not having a good game, there is somebody on the bench chomping at the bit to get in there and attack. Not explosively athletic, but bigger, experienced, and deeper. I am taking as a given that having big players and depth everywhere will improve the defense.
Quote from: Marquette4life on February 16, 2018, 10:07:25 AM
JB so if 18-19 doesn't go that well, will you be ready for a change. Honestly, I dont see us being higher than a 7-10 seed unless we get a solid grad transfer pg
It would be dependent on WHY things didn't go that well. I don't think we *need* a 'solid grad transfer pg'.. I would like a "pure point" type of backup, just in case and/or to play spot minutes, but I'm fine rolling with Markus and I think it'll be good for him (him personally, which I am OK with).
I see us, as of today, as more of a 4 or 5 seed next year.. with upside to have a magical year.
If we go to war with the roster as is (including the expected newcomers), and for example Markus misses most of the year due to injury, Joey isn't ready early due to injury, etc... and we have a rougher time than expected, that's one thing.. but if we're 100% and miss the tournament next year, I'd be extremely concerned. Not worried about that though, tbh.
My biggest concern is how we work everyone into the lineup (except for Eke... not sure how he'd fit, or if he really needs to).
I think you'll see Markus embrace running the offense (while still shooting a ton)... Morrow and Theo give us two physical mrfr's.. Matt will be a senior... I think you'll see a very nice jump from Froling... nice jumps for Cain and Greg... Sacar improving his finishing at the cup and being someone that the media calls our "glue guy" when they talk about our success... Sam will continue to be great, showing even more scoring methods... Joey I hope is healthy and has a strong freshman campaign.. Bailey steps in and impresses more than Cain has this year.. it's going to be a really fun year.
<disclaimer: a lot can change in nOine months.>
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 16, 2018, 01:23:14 PM
It would be dependent on WHY things didn't go that well. I don't think we *need* a 'solid grad transfer pg'.. I would like a "pure point" type of backup, just in case and/or to play spot minutes, but I'm fine rolling with Markus and I think it'll be good for him (him personally, which I am OK with).
I see us, as of today, as more of a 4 or 5 seed next year.. with upside to have a magical year.
If we go to war with the roster as is (including the expected newcomers), and for example Markus misses most of the year due to injury, Joey isn't ready early due to injury, etc... and we have a rougher time than expected, that's one thing.. but if we're 100% and miss the tournament next year, I'd be extremely concerned. Not worried about that though, tbh.
My biggest concern is how we work everyone into the lineup (except for Eke... not sure how he'd fit, or if he really needs to).
I think you'll see Markus embrace running the offense (while still shooting a ton)... Morrow and Theo give us two physical mrfr's.. Matt will be a senior... I think you'll see a very nice jump from Froling... nice jumps for Cain and Greg... Sacar improving his finishing at the cup and being someone that the media calls our "glue guy" when they talk about our success... Sam will continue to be great, showing even more scoring methods... Joey I hope is healthy and has a strong freshman campaign.. Bailey steps in and impresses more than Cain has this year.. it's going to be a really fun year.
<disclaimer: a lot can change in nOine months.>
This is a good post.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 16, 2018, 01:23:14 PM
It would be dependent on WHY things didn't go that well. I don't think we *need* a 'solid grad transfer pg'.. I would like a "pure point" type of backup, just in case and/or to play spot minutes, but I'm fine rolling with Markus and I think it'll be good for him (him personally, which I am OK with).
I see us, as of today, as more of a 4 or 5 seed next year.. with upside to have a magical year.
If we go to war with the roster as is (including the expected newcomers), and for example Markus misses most of the year due to injury, Joey isn't ready early due to injury, etc... and we have a rougher time than expected, that's one thing.. but if we're 100% and miss the tournament next year, I'd be extremely concerned. Not worried about that though, tbh.
My biggest concern is how we work everyone into the lineup (except for Eke... not sure how he'd fit, or if he really needs to).
I think you'll see Markus embrace running the offense (while still shooting a ton)... Morrow and Theo give us two physical mrfr's.. Matt will be a senior... I think you'll see a very nice jump from Froling... nice jumps for Cain and Greg... Sacar improving his finishing at the cup and being someone that the media calls our "glue guy" when they talk about our success... Sam will continue to be great, showing even more scoring methods... Joey I hope is healthy and has a strong freshman campaign.. Bailey steps in and impresses more than Cain has this year.. it's going to be a really fun year.
<disclaimer: a lot can change in nOine months.>
Appreciate the insight, as always.
I really like to see MU get a combo guard as I am not sold totally on Elliott. He will be improved next year, might need surgery on his thumb, but he needs to put
on some serious weight to be a factor next year. I just would like to see a physical guard who could D up, as Markus still needs on working on his D. But at the
end of a game, it would nice to have 2 big guards in there.
I'm about where Jay Bee is