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I say 3-2 with wins @depaul and Creighton and st Johns

Lose to Creighton twice and beat Georgetown, St John's and DePaul

Lose to Creighton twice and SJU, beat GT and DePaul, miss the tourney (both NIT and NCAA).

Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 10, 2018, 02:03:43 PM
Lose to Creighton twice and SJU, beat GT and DePaul, miss the tourney (both NIT and NCAA).

I would be shocked if we missed the NIT if we finished 3-2

NIT, no matta, hey?

The sweet embrace of death.

4-1 loss at Georgetown is my guess.

3-2

With losses being @creighton and at home against SJU

NIT here we come. (And that's an OK thing! Everyone expected the step back this year.)

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 10, 2018, 02:13:28 PM
I would be shocked if we missed the NIT if we finished 3-2

Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 10, 2018, 02:03:43 PM
Lose to Creighton twice and SJU, beat GT and DePaul, miss the tourney (both NIT and NCAA).

That would be 2-3.

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 11, 2018, 09:57:11 AM
4-1 loss at Georgetown is my guess.

This would be the best possible 4-1 scenario according to T Rank. Getting the Creighton win gives us a nice bump.

I'm guessing 3-2. I think we play well @ Creighton next weekend but can't pull it out. Beat SJU and DePaul. Lose 1 of the final 2. I think we're fully capable of winning our last 4 though.

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 11, 2018, 09:57:11 AM
4-1 loss at Georgetown is my guess.

Wow. That would be a shocker. After I saw St. John's post a 68 eFG%, I give this team a 5% chance of Finishing 4-1. Nova and Xavier posted similar numbers, the defense is atrocious.

I voted Arby's, not because I think we'll lose out, but rather, because I could really go for a Beef N Cheddar right now.

The question is how many wins are needed to get a NIT bid.  MU would be a very dangerous team in the NIT, with hopefully a home game or two.

Kan't get all hot and bothered 'bout earnin' an NIT bid, hey?

3-2, lose at Creighton and Georgetown, beat DePaul at MSG, lose to Xavier, go to NIT.

Is next Saturday, Creighton at home, a must win?

Quote from: Tugg Speedman on February 11, 2018, 01:03:37 PM
Is next Saturday, Creighton at home, a must win?

I'm not sure what you're asking. Should that be two different questions?

Quote from: Warrior of Law on February 11, 2018, 12:34:49 PM
The question is how many wins are needed to get a NIT bid.  MU would be a very dangerous team in the NIT, with hopefully a home game or two.

Answer: who gives a unnatural carnal knowledge

Quote from: Warrior of Law on February 11, 2018, 12:34:49 PM
The question is how many wins are needed to get a NIT bid.  MU would be a very dangerous team in the NIT, with hopefully a home game or two.

I think 3-2 would get us there, but the NIT is very dicey. If you are preparing for a NIT bid, you probably won't get it. As many as 12-15 bids could go to auto-bids from NCAA one-bid leagues with double-champions. That field fills in a hurry. Hence why MU couldn't get in with 20 wins in 2016.

Quote from: NickelDimer on February 11, 2018, 02:08:31 PM
Answer: who gives a unnatural carnal knowledge

I do.

Quote from: Warrior of Law on February 11, 2018, 12:34:49 PM
The question is how many wins are needed to get a NIT bid.  MU would be a very dangerous team in the NIT, with hopefully a home game or two.

Seriously?

FWIW, Sangarin projects us to go 3-2 down the stretch with both of our losses coming to Creighton. The away game at Georgetown is a pick em game in our favor and the home Creighton game is a pick em game not in our favor.

3-2 should be enough for the NIT. It would take a run to the BET championship to give us a shot at the NCAAs with that record. Would fall just slightly short of my preseason expectations (said we would be one of the last four in, playing in Dayton) but it would mean more Marquette basketball to watch which is always a good thing IMHO.

If I had to guess what we'd finish it would be 3-2. But I'm still hopeful. We played great at Seton Hall and I don't think we played horribly against St. John's. I do wonder if Theo could have been a difference maker in the game, having him at the bottom of that zone is a lot more intimidating than Heldt/Froling. Hoping for a surprise in Omaha.

I wish we could've caught Creighton a week or so ago. They certainly haven't been the same team since Krampelj went out. 3-3 record, with the three wins over St. John's, DePaul, and Georgetown. They have a tough finish to the season. In addition to us twice, they travel to Butler and host Villanova, with their penultimate game being what should be a comfortable win over DePaul at home (tell that to Providence).

My worry is they've been almost unbeatable at home. Their loss to Xavier was the first of the season at C-Link, with all of them being fairly comfortable; St. John's was the only team to have a 50% chance to win in the second half in Omaha per Pomeroy's graphs before Xavier got that win.

Quote from: murara1994 on February 10, 2018, 08:52:39 PM
The sweet embrace of death.

Welcome to Arby's, may I take your order?

1-4. 

We might beat SJU at home. 

Creighton is going to roll us twice.  They're a great pick n roll team and well you know...

And with the way we're playing, we can't assume any road wins. 

That's 6-12.  Ouch.

Quote from: The Lens on February 11, 2018, 10:28:29 PM
1-4. 

We might beat SJU at home. 

Creighton is going to roll us twice.  They're a great pick n roll team and well you know...

And with the way we're playing, we can't assume any road wins. 

That's 6-10.  Ouch.

Lol what

Quote from: MUeagle1090 on February 11, 2018, 10:51:51 PM
Lol what

Math is hard.

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 12, 2018, 03:06:52 AM
Math is hard.

6-12. Keep forgetting it's an 18 game sked.  Either way, 6 wins in conference is not ideal. 

Quote from: The Lens on February 12, 2018, 07:29:15 AM
6-12. Keep forgetting it's an 18 game sked.  Either way, 6 wins in conference is not ideal.

You're assuming two road losses to DePaul and Georgetown and  that Creighton is going to roll us at home? Kenpom has us favored in each of the last 4 games (albeit 3 are pretty much toss ups. The chances we finish 1-4 are small.

Quote from: MUeagle1090 on February 12, 2018, 09:17:03 AM
You're assuming two road losses to DePaul and Georgetown and  that Creighton is going to roll us at home? Kenpom has us favored in each of the last 4 games (albeit 3 are pretty much toss ups. The chances we finish 1-4 are small.

Here's my reasoning:

1) Creighton is a bad match-up, it's the opposite of SHU, hence 0-2
2) We beat SJU at home, 1-2
3) I can't plan on a young team that has lost 7 of 10 is going to win on the road in games that KenPom shows as near toss-ups, hence 1-4

I hope I'm wrong but the trend line on this team is down and I do not think that is just the case of playing a tough stretch of the schedule.

That is not a bash on Wojo, but an observation. Since he has been here, especially last two seasons, I have given up guessing on winning or losing. I do not think I have see a team surprise more than the last couple of seasons. If they ran the board on the next handful or got skunked, it would not shock me. I could not tell you who they match up well against or who they do not.

Quote from: The Lens on February 12, 2018, 10:21:46 AM
Here's my reasoning:

1) Creighton is a bad match-up, it's the opposite of SHU, hence 0-2
2) We beat SJU at home, 1-2
3) I can't plan on a young team that has lost 7 of 10 is going to win on the road in games that KenPom shows as near toss-ups, hence 1-4

I hope I'm wrong but the trend line on this team is down and I do not think that is just the case of playing a tough stretch of the schedule.

I don't necessarily agree but see your reasoning on points 1 and 2. For #3, we just beat SHU on the road, a game where we were a 7 point dog. I just can't see losing at Georgetown and DePaul. Thanks for the explanation

Quote from: The Lens on February 12, 2018, 07:29:15 AM
6-12. Keep forgetting it's an 18 game sked.  Either way, 6 wins in conference is not ideal.

6, 7, 8, or 9 wins in conference is mediocre and unacceptable. We should be competing for BEast titles, not bottom tier.

Quote from: willie warrior on February 12, 2018, 11:55:55 AM
6, 7, 8, or 9 wins in conference is mediocre and unacceptable. We should be competing for BEast titles, not bottom tier.

No one in their right mind expected this team to compete for a BE title this year.  No one. 

This team is within a 1 or 2 of what everyone in their right mind thought they would be.

Quote from: Goose on February 12, 2018, 10:34:44 AM
That is not a bash on Wojo, but an observation. Since he has been here, especially last two seasons, I have given up guessing on winning or losing. I do not think I have see a team surprise more than the last couple of seasons. If they ran the board on the next handful or got skunked, it would not shock me. I could not tell you who they match up well against or who they do not.

They are definitely hard to get a read on.

They are young and young players are inconsistent, great one night suck the next. Blame the youth on whatever you want, but it is a fact. Also, they depend on the 3 point shot as the major part of their offense.  Obviously, when they hit them they do well when they don't they don't do well. They have little else they can go to.