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Title: St John's
Post by: tower912 on February 08, 2018, 08:15:31 AM
A team of slashers and wings.    Greg and Jamal are going to be needed.    Hopefully, Theo is healthy enough to play.   Well, hopefully he feels better, first and foremost.   The flu sucks.      But I am not sure Harry and Matt are going to be quick enoughwith the style the Johnnies play.    Not deep.   But remember, of MU's nine, 3 play the same position and that position may not matter as much as it did against Delgado.   Dam up Ponds and win. 
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: The Lens on February 08, 2018, 08:27:44 AM
If Mullen keeps his team focused to beat Marquette after knocking off Duke & Nova, he should win coach of the year.   

Meanwhile Wojo has the best bulletin board material out there. 

I like how this sets up from an emotional standpoint. 
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: fjm on February 08, 2018, 08:27:48 AM
Hoping 1 of 2 things.

They fall into a lull due to their 2 huge wins and we catch them riding way too high.

Or 2) they are crazy exhausted. stJ only plays 6 man rotation. We are able to play sometimes 9. We will be a bit more fresh with the bench.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: KampusFoods on February 08, 2018, 08:32:07 AM
Hoping 1 of 2 things.

They fall into a lull due to their 2 huge wins and we catch them riding way too high.

Or 2) they are crazy exhausted. stJ only plays 6 man rotation. We are able to play sometimes 9. We will be a bit more fresh with the bench.

Ponds has gone all 40 in their past 3 games. Hoping he hits a wall on Saturday.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: We R Final Four on February 08, 2018, 08:40:15 AM

Meanwhile Wojo has the best bulletin board material out there. 


What is it?  Did Mullen/Johnnies say something?
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 08, 2018, 08:45:21 AM
Drain the Ponds.  52% of their points come on twos, not our strength defensively.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: tower912 on February 08, 2018, 08:49:39 AM
Right.  They slash.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: KampusFoods on February 08, 2018, 08:50:34 AM
Yeah, really need Theo to get healthy. He's our only rim protection to speak of.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: TheGym on February 08, 2018, 08:58:09 AM
Ponds has gone all 40 in their past 3 games. Hoping he hits a wall on Saturday.

I would guess they put a combination of people on Ponds.  Need some length on him.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 08, 2018, 08:59:36 AM
What is it?  Did Mullen/Johnnies say something?

They DID something. Bulletin board: SJU 81, #4 Duke 77...SJU 79, #1 Nova 75.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 08, 2018, 09:00:02 AM
This is the one team of the year where I will advocate heavy use of zone. They are undisciplined and like to slash. Use a 3/4 court press to make them work and wear them out and fall back into a zone to contain their slashers. Concerned that they love to get steals and transition and we have had some really ugly turnovers in the last few games.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: GB Warrior on February 08, 2018, 09:17:25 AM
Last 2 wins aside, one typically doesn't forget the feeling of having lost 11 straight games. I don't anticipate that they are suddenly enamored with their own press clippings. They will come ready to play.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 08, 2018, 09:40:18 AM
With SJU's last 2 games, they are now a quadrant 1 road game. 

If we win on Saturday, we'll be 4-8 in Q1 games.  That smokes the rest of the teams around the bubble.  Add in no bad losses...and well. 
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: LoudMouth on February 08, 2018, 09:59:11 AM
Before the two wins in a row St. John's previous 10 games were for the most part, very close. We all knew they were better than 0-11 in BEast but I didn't think it was this close
@SH 70-75 (L)
@Creighton 71-78 (L)
DePaul 74-91 (L) Second to worst loss
Georgetown 66-69 (L)
Nova 71-78 (L)
@Xavier 82-88 (L)
@Georgetown 89-93 (L)
Creighton 63-68 (L)
@Butler 45-70 (L) We feel your pain
Xavier 68-73 (L)

Take out the DePaul and @Butler game and they are losing games by 5 points.
Hopefully they are not getting over the hump just in time to play us.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on February 08, 2018, 10:03:07 AM
Lets whoop em
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: WayOfTheWarrior on February 08, 2018, 10:16:55 AM
Before the two wins in a row St. John's previous 10 games were for the most part, very close. We all knew they were better than 0-11 in BEast but I didn't think it was this close
@SH 70-75 (L)
@Creighton 71-78 (L)
DePaul 74-91 (L) Second to worst loss
Georgetown 66-69 (L)
Nova 71-78 (L)
@Xavier 82-88 (L)
@Georgetown 89-93 (L)
Creighton 63-68 (L)
@Butler 45-70 (L) We feel your pain
Xavier 68-73 (L)

Take out the DePaul and @Butler game and they are losing games by 5 points.
Hopefully they are not getting over the hump just in time to play us.

Noticed this too. Glad you pointed it out.
I'm having flashbacks to last year where we were a hot mess of turnovers because we couldn't handle the pressure and athleticism of Ponds and Co.

Hope Theo gets better and is ready to play. We'll need him.
One key to their last two victories was being efficient from deep (40%+) and some very clutch makes down the stretch. Ponds takes the most 3s but is 23% on the season. He was 2/5 and 4/8 last two. Hoping he comes back to earth a bit.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 08, 2018, 10:18:04 AM
Yah, we need smart and conservation Rowsey.  If he's making dumb passes, he may have 10 TOs.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 08, 2018, 11:09:25 AM
The real question is to we hang a banner if we beat St. Johns: "Beat Saint John's*" (*Beat Duke, Beat Nova)
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: The Lens on February 08, 2018, 11:26:26 AM
The real question is to we hang a banner if we beat St. Johns: "Beat Saint John's*" (*Beat Duke, Beat Nova)

Turn off the Internet.  Jake won.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: muwarrior69 on February 08, 2018, 11:48:10 AM
The Johnnies are Giant killers. Marquette is not a Giant...........yet.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: skianth16 on February 08, 2018, 11:54:28 AM
With SJU's last 2 games, they are now a quadrant 1 road game. 

If we win on Saturday, we'll be 4-8 in Q1 games.  That smokes the rest of the teams around the bubble.  Add in no bad losses...and well.

Does the Q1 status for St John's remain for us if they slip in RPI standings in the final weeks of the season? Or does the fact that they were in the top 75 when we played them stay on the resume?
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: BM1090 on February 08, 2018, 11:55:20 AM
Does the Q1 status for St John's remain for us if they slip in RPI standings in the final weeks of the season? Or does the fact that they were in the top 75 when we played them stay on the resume?

End of season
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: LAZER on February 08, 2018, 11:56:41 AM
If Mullen keeps his team focused to beat Marquette after knocking off Duke & Nova, he should win coach of the year.   

Meanwhile Wojo has the best bulletin board material out there. 

I like how this sets up from an emotional standpoint.
LOL...Mullin as COY, that's great.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: mu03eng on February 08, 2018, 12:01:31 PM
St John's is horrible at defending the 3 and really good at protecting the rim.....hmmm

St John's is terrible at rebounding and at shooting in general but especially 3s.....hmmm

St John's plays the same 5 players 84% of the time....hmmm

If I were to use my Magic 8 ball, it'd come up pretty consistently as "all signs point to yes" on the question of whether or not we win.

Title: Re: St John's
Post by: Nukem2 on February 08, 2018, 12:10:29 PM
St John's is horrible at defending the 3 and really good at protecting the rim.....hmmm

St John's is terrible at rebounding and at shooting in general but especially 3s.....hmmm

St John's plays the same 5 players 84% of the time....hmmm

If I were to use my Magic 8 ball, it'd come up pretty consistently as "all signs point to yes" on the question of whether or not we win.
Nova was 8-33 on 3s last nite.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: BM1090 on February 08, 2018, 12:12:54 PM
St John's is horrible at defending the 3 and really good at protecting the rim.....hmmm

St John's is terrible at rebounding and at shooting in general but especially 3s.....hmmm

St John's plays the same 5 players 84% of the time....hmmm

If I were to use my Magic 8 ball, it'd come up pretty consistently as "all signs point to yes" on the question of whether or not we win.

From a statistical standpoint yeah this seems to be a good matchup. But I don't know how we stop Ponds. He's going to kill Howard/Rowsey. And their athleticism will give our little guards fits in the halfcourt.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: mu03eng on February 08, 2018, 12:14:57 PM
Nova was 8-33 on 3s last nite.

But took 33, 3pt defense has very little to do with the rate you make them, it has to do with the rate you take them. We went 4-16 against Providence last Saturday and Providence is a pretty terrible 3pt defensive team so it can happen from time to time.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: mu03eng on February 08, 2018, 12:16:54 PM
From a statistical standpoint yeah this seems to be a good matchup. But I don't know how we stop Ponds. He's going to kill Howard/Rowsey. And their athleticism will give our little guards fits in the halfcourt.

Greg and Sacar are going to have to be the ones playing Ponds. I think we also see 2-3 zone and some Hauser playing the 5 thrown in. Also think we limit the amount of Rowsey/Howard line-ups we play.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: skianth16 on February 08, 2018, 12:17:17 PM
From a statistical standpoint yeah this seems to be a good matchup. But I don't know how we stop Ponds. He's going to kill Howard/Rowsey. And their athleticism will give our little guards fits in the halfcourt.

I stopped by the local psychic this morning. Early prediction is Greg for SOTG for slowing Ponds down.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: fjm on February 09, 2018, 11:33:11 AM
Theo was in video practicing both yesterday and today.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: Benny B on February 09, 2018, 12:12:24 PM
The real question is to we hang a banner if we beat St. Johns: "Beat Saint John's*" (*Beat Duke, Beat Nova)

Had Duke beat UNC last night, we might have been the undisputed biennual transitive property champions come tomorrow afternoon.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: SaveOD238 on February 09, 2018, 12:23:52 PM
I stopped by the local psychic this morning. Early prediction is Greg for SOTG for slowing Ponds down.

Not likely.  As far as I can tell, only points matter for SOTG.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 09, 2018, 12:37:04 PM
Not likely.  As far as I can tell, only points matter for SOTG.

Scorer Of The Game.

#defensenomatta
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 09, 2018, 12:41:10 PM
Nova was 8-33 on 3s last nite.

So, Nova lost the game more than St. John's won it?
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 09, 2018, 12:44:21 PM
So, Nova lost the game more than St. John's won it?

Nova only hit the easy 3s.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: MarquetteDano on February 09, 2018, 01:10:05 PM
This is the one team of the year where I will advocate heavy use of zone. They are undisciplined and like to slash. Use a 3/4 court press to make them work and wear them out and fall back into a zone to contain their slashers. Concerned that they love to get steals and transition and we have had some really ugly turnovers in the last few games.

Yes, yes, yes.  We know we are going to get burnt some in transition with poor transition defense.  We can ill afford to give up easy shots in the half court.  I really advocate for quite a bit of zone in this game.  I would love to see zone in a fourth of our half court defensive possessions.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: Nukem2 on February 09, 2018, 01:37:30 PM
Nova only hit the easy 3s.
Actually, Nova missed a lot of open 3s as it did against MU last year.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: onepost on February 09, 2018, 01:47:36 PM
Greg and Sacar are going to have to be the ones playing Ponds. I think we also see 2-3 zone and some Hauser playing the 5 thrown in. Also think we limit the amount of Rowsey/Howard line-ups we play.

Was just gonna say, Greg and Sacar have to be the ones to check Ponds.  Everything moves through him and if you make a concerted effort to shut him down and SJU still beats you with their other 4 then so be it.  That would also lead to playing more zone as we probably can't have Rowsey and Howard on 6'7" wings all game.

It was broached on this board when we played Nova (relative to Brunson and Bridges) but I wouldn't hate even seeing a box-and-1 on Ponds.  Not that our D can get any worse, and we'd be susceptible to backdoors and elbow jumpers, but that would key in on their best option while simultaneously forcing them to hit from outside.

FWIW, I LOVED going triangle-and-2 when I coached 8th grade PAL basketball.  You gotta live on the edge every so often.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 09, 2018, 02:07:10 PM
Against Nova, my buddy and I thought it was weird that Sacar was overplaying Brunson's off hand (right) channeling him to his left (strong hand). We were always taught to overplay the strong hand of the PG.

It was intentional so the only thing we could think of was that it was a Synergy thing about the flow of the offense.  Well, it didn't work as Brunson just had a field day 1:1.

With Ponds, MU should over play and wall his penetration with secondary help. No high hedging or screen switches.  Similar to what Izzo did to Dom in 2007.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: Loose Cannon on February 09, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
Not likely.  As far as I can tell, only points matter for SOTG.

Yep, I've been tempted to break it down to 4 minutes segments and see if the insight might be different.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on February 09, 2018, 04:16:48 PM
Not likely.  As far as I can tell, only points matter for SOTG.

With a team as atrocious as this MU team on D, we likely aren't going to win without someone putting up a ton of points. No stud when we lose.

Regardless, Theo would have won it had we beaten Providence based on excellent D.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 09, 2018, 04:20:16 PM
Not likely.  As far as I can tell, only points matter for SOTG.

Ahem....
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=54854.msg962372
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2017-2018/mugame03.html

Regardless, Theo would have won it had we beaten Providence based on excellent D.

Likely truth.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 09, 2018, 04:25:25 PM
Not likely.  As far as I can tell, only points matter for SOTG.

Which game do you have issue with the point scorer winning??
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: SaveOD238 on February 09, 2018, 04:31:54 PM
Which game do you have issue with the point scorer winning??

I think I woulda gone Heldt on Wednesday.  Sometimes I think that the SOTG voters just check the box score, see 30+, and forget everything that happened in the game.  I’d rather go with who “stepped up” the most beyond their usual performance.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: naginiF on February 09, 2018, 04:44:10 PM
Opening line St. John's -2
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on February 09, 2018, 05:03:35 PM
I think I woulda gone Heldt on Wednesday.  Sometimes I think that the SOTG voters just check the box score, see 30+, and forget everything that happened in the game.  I’d rather go with who “stepped up” the most beyond their usual performance.

The more SOTGs we have from different players, the better it looks to the selection committee.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 09, 2018, 05:19:01 PM
The more SOTGs we have from different players, the better it looks to the selection committee.

That would help recruiting.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 09, 2018, 05:21:15 PM
The more SOTGs we have from different players, the better it looks to the selection committee.

The year Fro got the pity vote, MU was the last team in.  Just sayin'...
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 09, 2018, 06:02:32 PM
I think I woulda gone Heldt on Wednesday.  Sometimes I think that the SOTG voters just check the box score, see 30+, and forget everything that happened in the game.  I’d rather go with who “stepped up” the most beyond their usual performance.

I mean Markus had 22 more points, 1 less rebound, 3 more assists, drew 7 more FTs, and shot 9/13 from the floor. I think his statistics were significantly better than Heldt's.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 09, 2018, 06:49:51 PM
The more SOTGs we have from different players, the better it looks to the selection committee.
/



Word dude. Should improve hour seed line bye a spot orr too, aina?
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 09, 2018, 08:40:55 PM
I mean Markus had 22 more points, 1 less rebound, 3 more assists, drew 7 more FTs, and shot 9/13 from the floor. I think his statistics were significantly better than Heldt's.

Stats yes...but Matt took a preseason all Big East first team center and turned him into a non-factor.

Given that this team generally can’t stop anybody, that’s a pretty big deal.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: MU82 on February 09, 2018, 11:24:08 PM
not our strength defensively.

Wait ... we have a strength defensively?
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: D'Lo Brown on February 09, 2018, 11:59:22 PM
Stats yes...but Matt took a preseason all Big East first team center and turned him into a non-factor.

Given that this team generally can’t stop anybody, that’s a pretty big deal.

As we all can agree, Matt should be playing 5 minutes or less. Really hurting the team
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 10, 2018, 12:26:28 AM
Wait ... we have a strength defensively?

(http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/enemy/saving-france.jpg)
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: naginiF on February 10, 2018, 07:38:56 AM
Opening line St. John's -2
With more sites coming in PK seems to be the line with a 153 o/u

I'm going MU 81 SJ 78
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on February 10, 2018, 08:22:25 AM
As we all can agree, Matt should be playing 5 minutes or less. Really hurting the team
Obviously, you missed the last game.  Matt played a complete offensive and defensive game with the only exception two missed bunnies.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on February 10, 2018, 08:48:27 AM
I’d rather go with who “stepped up” the most beyond their usual performance.

That would be OOTG (Overperformer Of The Game), not necessarily SOTG
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 10, 2018, 10:13:08 AM
i think we match up well here.  johnnies are due for a let down.

    big concern-will refs allow the players to play or do we get into some serious foul trouble trying to defend the slashers?  if its close near the end-foul bashir-60%.  get him a little gassed and send him to the line. otherwise, as a team, without him, they are 80%!
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: geps on February 10, 2018, 10:16:03 AM
Last time we won two in a row on the road? Found it, @DePaul, @Creighton two years ago. Actually surprising to me.
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 10, 2018, 10:24:37 AM
Last time we won two in a row on the road? Found it, @DePaul, @Creighton two years ago. Actually surprising to me.

December 2017.  Wisconsin and PC.  Or are you saying back to back?
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: NickelDimer on February 10, 2018, 10:33:14 AM
Obviously, you missed the last game.  Matt played a complete offensive and defensive game with the only exception two missed bunnies.
Teal, yo
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: 79Warrior on February 10, 2018, 01:10:01 PM
St John's is horrible at defending the 3 and really good at protecting the rim.....hmmm

St John's is terrible at rebounding and at shooting in general but especially 3s.....hmmm

St John's plays the same 5 players 84% of the time....hmmm

If I were to use my Magic 8 ball, it'd come up pretty consistently as "all signs point to yes" on the question of whether or not we win.

didn't you say they were garbage?
Title: Re: St John's
Post by: tower912 on February 10, 2018, 03:38:27 PM
   Dam up Ponds and win.

Didn't.  Lost.