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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on February 08, 2018, 08:15:31 AM
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A team of slashers and wings. Greg and Jamal are going to be needed. Hopefully, Theo is healthy enough to play. Well, hopefully he feels better, first and foremost. The flu sucks. But I am not sure Harry and Matt are going to be quick enoughwith the style the Johnnies play. Not deep. But remember, of MU's nine, 3 play the same position and that position may not matter as much as it did against Delgado. Dam up Ponds and win.
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If Mullen keeps his team focused to beat Marquette after knocking off Duke & Nova, he should win coach of the year.
Meanwhile Wojo has the best bulletin board material out there.
I like how this sets up from an emotional standpoint.
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Hoping 1 of 2 things.
They fall into a lull due to their 2 huge wins and we catch them riding way too high.
Or 2) they are crazy exhausted. stJ only plays 6 man rotation. We are able to play sometimes 9. We will be a bit more fresh with the bench.
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Hoping 1 of 2 things.
They fall into a lull due to their 2 huge wins and we catch them riding way too high.
Or 2) they are crazy exhausted. stJ only plays 6 man rotation. We are able to play sometimes 9. We will be a bit more fresh with the bench.
Ponds has gone all 40 in their past 3 games. Hoping he hits a wall on Saturday.
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Meanwhile Wojo has the best bulletin board material out there.
What is it? Did Mullen/Johnnies say something?
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Drain the Ponds. 52% of their points come on twos, not our strength defensively.
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Right. They slash.
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Yeah, really need Theo to get healthy. He's our only rim protection to speak of.
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Ponds has gone all 40 in their past 3 games. Hoping he hits a wall on Saturday.
I would guess they put a combination of people on Ponds. Need some length on him.
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What is it? Did Mullen/Johnnies say something?
They DID something. Bulletin board: SJU 81, #4 Duke 77...SJU 79, #1 Nova 75.
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This is the one team of the year where I will advocate heavy use of zone. They are undisciplined and like to slash. Use a 3/4 court press to make them work and wear them out and fall back into a zone to contain their slashers. Concerned that they love to get steals and transition and we have had some really ugly turnovers in the last few games.
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Last 2 wins aside, one typically doesn't forget the feeling of having lost 11 straight games. I don't anticipate that they are suddenly enamored with their own press clippings. They will come ready to play.
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With SJU's last 2 games, they are now a quadrant 1 road game.
If we win on Saturday, we'll be 4-8 in Q1 games. That smokes the rest of the teams around the bubble. Add in no bad losses...and well.
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Before the two wins in a row St. John's previous 10 games were for the most part, very close. We all knew they were better than 0-11 in BEast but I didn't think it was this close
@SH 70-75 (L)
@Creighton 71-78 (L)
DePaul 74-91 (L) Second to worst loss
Georgetown 66-69 (L)
Nova 71-78 (L)
@Xavier 82-88 (L)
@Georgetown 89-93 (L)
Creighton 63-68 (L)
@Butler 45-70 (L) We feel your pain
Xavier 68-73 (L)
Take out the DePaul and @Butler game and they are losing games by 5 points.
Hopefully they are not getting over the hump just in time to play us.
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Lets whoop em
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Before the two wins in a row St. John's previous 10 games were for the most part, very close. We all knew they were better than 0-11 in BEast but I didn't think it was this close
@SH 70-75 (L)
@Creighton 71-78 (L)
DePaul 74-91 (L) Second to worst loss
Georgetown 66-69 (L)
Nova 71-78 (L)
@Xavier 82-88 (L)
@Georgetown 89-93 (L)
Creighton 63-68 (L)
@Butler 45-70 (L) We feel your pain
Xavier 68-73 (L)
Take out the DePaul and @Butler game and they are losing games by 5 points.
Hopefully they are not getting over the hump just in time to play us.
Noticed this too. Glad you pointed it out.
I'm having flashbacks to last year where we were a hot mess of turnovers because we couldn't handle the pressure and athleticism of Ponds and Co.
Hope Theo gets better and is ready to play. We'll need him.
One key to their last two victories was being efficient from deep (40%+) and some very clutch makes down the stretch. Ponds takes the most 3s but is 23% on the season. He was 2/5 and 4/8 last two. Hoping he comes back to earth a bit.
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Yah, we need smart and conservation Rowsey. If he's making dumb passes, he may have 10 TOs.
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The real question is to we hang a banner if we beat St. Johns: "Beat Saint John's*" (*Beat Duke, Beat Nova)
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The real question is to we hang a banner if we beat St. Johns: "Beat Saint John's*" (*Beat Duke, Beat Nova)
Turn off the Internet. Jake won.
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The Johnnies are Giant killers. Marquette is not a Giant...........yet.
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With SJU's last 2 games, they are now a quadrant 1 road game.
If we win on Saturday, we'll be 4-8 in Q1 games. That smokes the rest of the teams around the bubble. Add in no bad losses...and well.
Does the Q1 status for St John's remain for us if they slip in RPI standings in the final weeks of the season? Or does the fact that they were in the top 75 when we played them stay on the resume?
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Does the Q1 status for St John's remain for us if they slip in RPI standings in the final weeks of the season? Or does the fact that they were in the top 75 when we played them stay on the resume?
End of season
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If Mullen keeps his team focused to beat Marquette after knocking off Duke & Nova, he should win coach of the year.
Meanwhile Wojo has the best bulletin board material out there.
I like how this sets up from an emotional standpoint.
LOL...Mullin as COY, that's great.
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St John's is horrible at defending the 3 and really good at protecting the rim.....hmmm
St John's is terrible at rebounding and at shooting in general but especially 3s.....hmmm
St John's plays the same 5 players 84% of the time....hmmm
If I were to use my Magic 8 ball, it'd come up pretty consistently as "all signs point to yes" on the question of whether or not we win.
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St John's is horrible at defending the 3 and really good at protecting the rim.....hmmm
St John's is terrible at rebounding and at shooting in general but especially 3s.....hmmm
St John's plays the same 5 players 84% of the time....hmmm
If I were to use my Magic 8 ball, it'd come up pretty consistently as "all signs point to yes" on the question of whether or not we win.
Nova was 8-33 on 3s last nite.
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St John's is horrible at defending the 3 and really good at protecting the rim.....hmmm
St John's is terrible at rebounding and at shooting in general but especially 3s.....hmmm
St John's plays the same 5 players 84% of the time....hmmm
If I were to use my Magic 8 ball, it'd come up pretty consistently as "all signs point to yes" on the question of whether or not we win.
From a statistical standpoint yeah this seems to be a good matchup. But I don't know how we stop Ponds. He's going to kill Howard/Rowsey. And their athleticism will give our little guards fits in the halfcourt.
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Nova was 8-33 on 3s last nite.
But took 33, 3pt defense has very little to do with the rate you make them, it has to do with the rate you take them. We went 4-16 against Providence last Saturday and Providence is a pretty terrible 3pt defensive team so it can happen from time to time.
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From a statistical standpoint yeah this seems to be a good matchup. But I don't know how we stop Ponds. He's going to kill Howard/Rowsey. And their athleticism will give our little guards fits in the halfcourt.
Greg and Sacar are going to have to be the ones playing Ponds. I think we also see 2-3 zone and some Hauser playing the 5 thrown in. Also think we limit the amount of Rowsey/Howard line-ups we play.
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From a statistical standpoint yeah this seems to be a good matchup. But I don't know how we stop Ponds. He's going to kill Howard/Rowsey. And their athleticism will give our little guards fits in the halfcourt.
I stopped by the local psychic this morning. Early prediction is Greg for SOTG for slowing Ponds down.
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Theo was in video practicing both yesterday and today.
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The real question is to we hang a banner if we beat St. Johns: "Beat Saint John's*" (*Beat Duke, Beat Nova)
Had Duke beat UNC last night, we might have been the undisputed biennual transitive property champions come tomorrow afternoon.
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I stopped by the local psychic this morning. Early prediction is Greg for SOTG for slowing Ponds down.
Not likely. As far as I can tell, only points matter for SOTG.
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Not likely. As far as I can tell, only points matter for SOTG.
Scorer Of The Game.
#defensenomatta
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Nova was 8-33 on 3s last nite.
So, Nova lost the game more than St. John's won it?
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So, Nova lost the game more than St. John's won it?
Nova only hit the easy 3s.
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This is the one team of the year where I will advocate heavy use of zone. They are undisciplined and like to slash. Use a 3/4 court press to make them work and wear them out and fall back into a zone to contain their slashers. Concerned that they love to get steals and transition and we have had some really ugly turnovers in the last few games.
Yes, yes, yes. We know we are going to get burnt some in transition with poor transition defense. We can ill afford to give up easy shots in the half court. I really advocate for quite a bit of zone in this game. I would love to see zone in a fourth of our half court defensive possessions.
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Nova only hit the easy 3s.
Actually, Nova missed a lot of open 3s as it did against MU last year.
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Greg and Sacar are going to have to be the ones playing Ponds. I think we also see 2-3 zone and some Hauser playing the 5 thrown in. Also think we limit the amount of Rowsey/Howard line-ups we play.
Was just gonna say, Greg and Sacar have to be the ones to check Ponds. Everything moves through him and if you make a concerted effort to shut him down and SJU still beats you with their other 4 then so be it. That would also lead to playing more zone as we probably can't have Rowsey and Howard on 6'7" wings all game.
It was broached on this board when we played Nova (relative to Brunson and Bridges) but I wouldn't hate even seeing a box-and-1 on Ponds. Not that our D can get any worse, and we'd be susceptible to backdoors and elbow jumpers, but that would key in on their best option while simultaneously forcing them to hit from outside.
FWIW, I LOVED going triangle-and-2 when I coached 8th grade PAL basketball. You gotta live on the edge every so often.
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Against Nova, my buddy and I thought it was weird that Sacar was overplaying Brunson's off hand (right) channeling him to his left (strong hand). We were always taught to overplay the strong hand of the PG.
It was intentional so the only thing we could think of was that it was a Synergy thing about the flow of the offense. Well, it didn't work as Brunson just had a field day 1:1.
With Ponds, MU should over play and wall his penetration with secondary help. No high hedging or screen switches. Similar to what Izzo did to Dom in 2007.
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Not likely. As far as I can tell, only points matter for SOTG.
Yep, I've been tempted to break it down to 4 minutes segments and see if the insight might be different.
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Not likely. As far as I can tell, only points matter for SOTG.
With a team as atrocious as this MU team on D, we likely aren't going to win without someone putting up a ton of points. No stud when we lose.
Regardless, Theo would have won it had we beaten Providence based on excellent D.
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Not likely. As far as I can tell, only points matter for SOTG.
Ahem....
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=54854.msg962372
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2017-2018/mugame03.html
Regardless, Theo would have won it had we beaten Providence based on excellent D.
Likely truth.
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Not likely. As far as I can tell, only points matter for SOTG.
Which game do you have issue with the point scorer winning??
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Which game do you have issue with the point scorer winning??
I think I woulda gone Heldt on Wednesday. Sometimes I think that the SOTG voters just check the box score, see 30+, and forget everything that happened in the game. I’d rather go with who “stepped up” the most beyond their usual performance.
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Opening line St. John's -2
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I think I woulda gone Heldt on Wednesday. Sometimes I think that the SOTG voters just check the box score, see 30+, and forget everything that happened in the game. I’d rather go with who “stepped up” the most beyond their usual performance.
The more SOTGs we have from different players, the better it looks to the selection committee.
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The more SOTGs we have from different players, the better it looks to the selection committee.
That would help recruiting.
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The more SOTGs we have from different players, the better it looks to the selection committee.
The year Fro got the pity vote, MU was the last team in. Just sayin'...
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I think I woulda gone Heldt on Wednesday. Sometimes I think that the SOTG voters just check the box score, see 30+, and forget everything that happened in the game. I’d rather go with who “stepped up” the most beyond their usual performance.
I mean Markus had 22 more points, 1 less rebound, 3 more assists, drew 7 more FTs, and shot 9/13 from the floor. I think his statistics were significantly better than Heldt's.
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The more SOTGs we have from different players, the better it looks to the selection committee.
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Word dude. Should improve hour seed line bye a spot orr too, aina?
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I mean Markus had 22 more points, 1 less rebound, 3 more assists, drew 7 more FTs, and shot 9/13 from the floor. I think his statistics were significantly better than Heldt's.
Stats yes...but Matt took a preseason all Big East first team center and turned him into a non-factor.
Given that this team generally can’t stop anybody, that’s a pretty big deal.
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not our strength defensively.
Wait ... we have a strength defensively?
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Stats yes...but Matt took a preseason all Big East first team center and turned him into a non-factor.
Given that this team generally can’t stop anybody, that’s a pretty big deal.
As we all can agree, Matt should be playing 5 minutes or less. Really hurting the team
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Wait ... we have a strength defensively?
(http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/enemy/saving-france.jpg)
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Opening line St. John's -2
With more sites coming in PK seems to be the line with a 153 o/u
I'm going MU 81 SJ 78
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As we all can agree, Matt should be playing 5 minutes or less. Really hurting the team
Obviously, you missed the last game. Matt played a complete offensive and defensive game with the only exception two missed bunnies.
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I’d rather go with who “stepped up” the most beyond their usual performance.
That would be OOTG (Overperformer Of The Game), not necessarily SOTG
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i think we match up well here. johnnies are due for a let down.
big concern-will refs allow the players to play or do we get into some serious foul trouble trying to defend the slashers? if its close near the end-foul bashir-60%. get him a little gassed and send him to the line. otherwise, as a team, without him, they are 80%!
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Last time we won two in a row on the road? Found it, @DePaul, @Creighton two years ago. Actually surprising to me.
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Last time we won two in a row on the road? Found it, @DePaul, @Creighton two years ago. Actually surprising to me.
December 2017. Wisconsin and PC. Or are you saying back to back?
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Obviously, you missed the last game. Matt played a complete offensive and defensive game with the only exception two missed bunnies.
Teal, yo
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St John's is horrible at defending the 3 and really good at protecting the rim.....hmmm
St John's is terrible at rebounding and at shooting in general but especially 3s.....hmmm
St John's plays the same 5 players 84% of the time....hmmm
If I were to use my Magic 8 ball, it'd come up pretty consistently as "all signs point to yes" on the question of whether or not we win.
didn't you say they were garbage?
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Dam up Ponds and win.
Didn't. Lost.