My nephew asked me a question this past week that I admit I didn't know how to answer with any certainty. If this has been kicked around here already, apologies. But, do it for the kids...
Has there been any talk regionally or nationally amidst the pundits about Markus Howard going pro after this year? I told the boy that, while Howard did put up 52 and tosses in additional 30+ games often, he also trots out occasional clunkers (like De Paul) to indicate he's a star, but still developing. I think he's a lock to stay for his junior year and further develop for a possible departure before his senior tour. But, hell, I can't say for sure if he's an NBA prospect at his height.
What else should I tell the kid? Besides "...Never trust someone in red and white unless it's Santa. And, even then, pull the beard."
It's been discussed quite a bit.
I don't think anyone legitimately think Markus is going pro after this season. His height is always going to be an issue for NBA scouts, and by all accounts, he takes his schooling seriously. I think Markus will be a four year player, but one that will have just turned 21 on draft day following his senior year.
Yup, just can't see it after this year. Maybe tests the waters to get some feedback. But it's very clear that at this moment he lacks the point guard skills for someone with his height. There was a play I believe at Nova where against some token pressure he dribbled the ball off his own foot. Not saying he can't get there, but as of right now he still needs to develop more as a point guard before M2N becomes a reality.
He's #39 on ESPN's latest Top 100. Folks it's starting to get real.
Height and defense. Don't see him overcoming those barriers. But if he starts averaging over 30 points a game like he was for that three game stretch he will get serious looks.
Probably needed another thread on potential NBA players...
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 18, 2018, 01:17:46 PM
Height and defense. Don't see him overcoming those barriers. But if he starts averaging over 30 points a game like he was for that three game stretch he will get serious looks.
Would add point guard skills given the height.
Quote from: Class71 on January 18, 2018, 01:20:56 PM
Would add point guard skills given the height.
Yep. He will get his shot and just might surprise people, but I'm guessing it'll be after 4 years.
Quote from: The Lens on January 18, 2018, 01:10:59 PM
He's #39 on ESPN's latest Top 100. Folks it's starting to get real.
Just spent considerable time looking at almost every mock draft for 2018.
Did not find one in which Markus was listed in first or second round. Not one, if someone finds one, please post.
Don't know what it's starting to get real is all about, unless someone shows he is getting significant draft reviews. One site said he was measured at 5ft 10 without shoes.
http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/21307077/nba-draft-rankings-espn-top-100-prospects-2018 (http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/21307077/nba-draft-rankings-espn-top-100-prospects-2018)
I 100% agree that he's too short, doesn't play D and cannot break a press. That all said, Jonathan Givony who has a pretty good reputation in the NBA has him in the 2nd round right now.
Quote from: The Lens on January 18, 2018, 01:10:59 PM
He's #39 on ESPN's latest Top 100. Folks it's starting to get real.
MAD real
Quote from: The Lens on January 18, 2018, 01:30:21 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/21307077/nba-draft-rankings-espn-top-100-prospects-2018 (http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/21307077/nba-draft-rankings-espn-top-100-prospects-2018)
I 100% agree that he's too short, doesn't play D and cannot break a press. That all said, Jonathan Givony who has a pretty good reputation in the NBA has him in the 2nd round right now.
Yeah, can't see that article, but thanks. Only mock out there that lists him.
Great analysis from Anonymous Eagle on this topic
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2017/12/12/16764200/marquette-golden-eagles-markus-howard-nba-professional-possibilities (https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2017/12/12/16764200/marquette-golden-eagles-markus-howard-nba-professional-possibilities)
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 18, 2018, 01:18:58 PM
Probably needed another thread on potential NBA players...
Can't we just roll it into the recruiting thread?
Quote from: The Lens on January 18, 2018, 01:30:21 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/21307077/nba-draft-rankings-espn-top-100-prospects-2018 (http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/21307077/nba-draft-rankings-espn-top-100-prospects-2018)
I 100% agree that he's too short, doesn't play D and cannot break a press. That all said, Jonathan Givony who has a pretty good reputation in the NBA has him in the 2nd round right now.
Does this list take European players into account?
Someone on here sat next to Markus' parents on the flight home from Maui. IIRC, they pretty much laughed at the suggestion that he may leave early.
I don't think Markus is going anywhere unless he becomes a legit lottery prospect after next season.
Here is the text and top 50 listed. The writer used to operate DraftExpress which came to be known as the best Mock Draft and Draft info site out there.
"Who are the best prospects in the 2018 NBA draft?
You can find our updated top 100 rankings here throughout the season.
This top 100 differs from our mock drafts in one crucial way: The top 100 is an overall ranking of all draft-eligible prospects in the 2018 NBA draft, regardless of whether or not we believe they are likely to enter -- or ultimately stay in -- the draft.
The mock draft attempts to project which players should or will make themselves eligible in April. And down the road, it will also take into account NBA teams' needs, the draft order and things we've learned about front office tendencies.
The same methodology applies to all of the other rankings we will maintain throughout the season: NCAA freshmen, NCAA sophomores, NCAA juniors, NCAA seniors, point guards, shooting guards, small forwards, power forwards, centers and international draft prospects.
Read more about the latest risers and fallers here.
Draft Rankings: Top 100
PLAYER POS TEAM AGE HEIGHT WINGSPAN
1. Luka Doncic PG Real Madrid 18.8 6-8 N/A
2. Deandre Ayton C Arizona 19.4 7-0 7-5
3. Marvin Bagley III PF/C Duke 18.8 6-11 7-0½
4. Mohamed Bamba C Texas 19.6 7-0 7-9
5. Michael Porter Jr. SF/PF Missouri 19.5 6-10 7-0
6. Trae Young PG Oklahoma 19.3 6-2 6-4
7. Jaren Jackson Jr. PF/C Michigan St 18.3 6-10 7-4
8. Collin Sexton PG Alabama 19.0 6-2 6-7
9. Miles Bridges SF/PF Michigan St 19.8 6-6 6-9
10. Mikal Bridges SF Villanova 21.3 6-7 7-1½
11. Kevin Knox SF/PF Kentucky 18.4 6-9 7-0
12. Robert Williams PF/C Texas A&M 20.2 6-9 7-5½
13. Daniel Gafford PF/C Arkansas 19.2 6-11 7-2
14. Wendell Carter Jr. C Duke 18.7 6-10 7-3
15. Dzanan Musa SF Cedevita 18.6 6-9 6-8½
16. Troy Brown SG Oregon 18.4 6-7 7-6
17. Lonnie Walker IV SG Miami FL 19.0 6-4 6-10½
18. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander PG/SG Kentucky 19.5 6-6 7-0
19. Bruce Brown SG Miami FL 21.4 6-3 6-8½
20. Chandler Hutchison SG Boise St 21.7 6-7 N/A
21. Mitchell Robinson C N/A 19.8 6-11 7-4
22. Anfernee Simons SG Team Breakdown 18.6 6-4 6-7
23. Trevon Duval PG Duke 19.4 6-3 6-3½
24. Hamidou Diallo SG Kentucky 19.4 6-5 7-0
25. Shake Milton PG/SG SMU 21.3 6-6 7-0
26. De'Anthony Melton PG/SG USC 19.6 6-3 6-8
27. Keita Bates-Diop SF Ohio St 21.9 6-7 N/A
28. Brandon McCoy C UNLV 19.6 6-11 7-1½
29. Khyri Thomas SG Creighton 21.6 6-3 N/A
30. Jontay Porter C Missouri 18.1 6-10 7-0
31. Justin Jackson SF/PF Maryland 20.9 6-7 7-3
32. Jarrey Foster SG SMU 21.1 6-6 N/A
33. Rodions Kurucs SF/PF Barcelona 2 19.9 6-10 N/A
34. Jalen Hudson SG Florida 21.6 6-5 N/A
35. Grayson Allen SG Duke 22.2 6-4 6-6½
36. Chimezie Metu PF/C USC 20.8 6-10 6-10½
37. Jevon Carter PG West Virginia 22.3 6-2 6-3
38. Devonte' Graham PG Kansas 22.9 6-2 N/A
39. Markus Howard PG Marquette 18.8 6-0 6-0
40. Landry Shamet PG Wichita St 20.8 6-4 N/A
41. Marko Simonovic PF/C Siena 18.2 7-0 N/A
42. Aaron Holiday PG UCLA 21.2 6-1 6-6
43. Jacob Evans SF Cincinnati 20.5 6-6 N/A
44. Nickeil Alexander-Walker PG Virginia Tech 19.3 6-5 6-9
45. Austin Wiley C Auburn 19.0 6-11 7-5
46. Goga Bitadze C Mega Bemax 18.4 6-11 7-2
47. Tyus Battle SG/SF Syracuse 20.3 6-7 6-8
48. O'Shae Brissett PF Syracuse 19.5 6-9 6-11
49. Rawle Alkins SG Arizona 20.2 6-5 6-9
50. Jarred Vanderbilt SF Kentucky 18.7 6-8 7-1
Quote from: The Lens on January 18, 2018, 01:57:32 PM
Here is the text and top 50 listed. The writer used to operate DraftExpress which came to be known as the best Mock Draft and Draft info site out there.
"Who are the best prospects in the 2018 NBA draft?
You can find our updated top 100 rankings here throughout the season.
This top 100 differs from our mock drafts in one crucial way: The top 100 is an overall ranking of all draft-eligible prospects in the 2018 NBA draft, regardless of whether or not we believe they are likely to enter -- or ultimately stay in -- the draft.
The mock draft attempts to project which players should or will make themselves eligible in April. And down the road, it will also take into account NBA teams' needs, the draft order and things we've learned about front office tendencies.
The same methodology applies to all of the other rankings we will maintain throughout the season: NCAA freshmen, NCAA sophomores, NCAA juniors, NCAA seniors, point guards, shooting guards, small forwards, power forwards, centers and international draft prospects.
Read more about the latest risers and fallers here.
Draft Rankings: Top 100
PLAYER POS TEAM AGE HEIGHT WINGSPAN
1. Luka Doncic PG Real Madrid 18.8 6-8 N/A
2. Deandre Ayton C Arizona 19.4 7-0 7-5
3. Marvin Bagley III PF/C Duke 18.8 6-11 7-0½
4. Mohamed Bamba C Texas 19.6 7-0 7-9
5. Michael Porter Jr. SF/PF Missouri 19.5 6-10 7-0
6. Trae Young PG Oklahoma 19.3 6-2 6-4
7. Jaren Jackson Jr. PF/C Michigan St 18.3 6-10 7-4
8. Collin Sexton PG Alabama 19.0 6-2 6-7
9. Miles Bridges SF/PF Michigan St 19.8 6-6 6-9
10. Mikal Bridges SF Villanova 21.3 6-7 7-1½
11. Kevin Knox SF/PF Kentucky 18.4 6-9 7-0
12. Robert Williams PF/C Texas A&M 20.2 6-9 7-5½
13. Daniel Gafford PF/C Arkansas 19.2 6-11 7-2
14. Wendell Carter Jr. C Duke 18.7 6-10 7-3
15. Dzanan Musa SF Cedevita 18.6 6-9 6-8½
16. Troy Brown SG Oregon 18.4 6-7 7-6
17. Lonnie Walker IV SG Miami FL 19.0 6-4 6-10½
18. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander PG/SG Kentucky 19.5 6-6 7-0
19. Bruce Brown SG Miami FL 21.4 6-3 6-8½
20. Chandler Hutchison SG Boise St 21.7 6-7 N/A
21. Mitchell Robinson C N/A 19.8 6-11 7-4
22. Anfernee Simons SG Team Breakdown 18.6 6-4 6-7
23. Trevon Duval PG Duke 19.4 6-3 6-3½
24. Hamidou Diallo SG Kentucky 19.4 6-5 7-0
25. Shake Milton PG/SG SMU 21.3 6-6 7-0
26. De'Anthony Melton PG/SG USC 19.6 6-3 6-8
27. Keita Bates-Diop SF Ohio St 21.9 6-7 N/A
28. Brandon McCoy C UNLV 19.6 6-11 7-1½
29. Khyri Thomas SG Creighton 21.6 6-3 N/A
30. Jontay Porter C Missouri 18.1 6-10 7-0
31. Justin Jackson SF/PF Maryland 20.9 6-7 7-3
32. Jarrey Foster SG SMU 21.1 6-6 N/A
33. Rodions Kurucs SF/PF Barcelona 2 19.9 6-10 N/A
34. Jalen Hudson SG Florida 21.6 6-5 N/A
35. Grayson Allen SG Duke 22.2 6-4 6-6½
36. Chimezie Metu PF/C USC 20.8 6-10 6-10½
37. Jevon Carter PG West Virginia 22.3 6-2 6-3
38. Devonte' Graham PG Kansas 22.9 6-2 N/A
39. Markus Howard PG Marquette 18.8 6-0 6-0
40. Landry Shamet PG Wichita St 20.8 6-4 N/A
41. Marko Simonovic PF/C Siena 18.2 7-0 N/A
42. Aaron Holiday PG UCLA 21.2 6-1 6-6
43. Jacob Evans SF Cincinnati 20.5 6-6 N/A
44. Nickeil Alexander-Walker PG Virginia Tech 19.3 6-5 6-9
45. Austin Wiley C Auburn 19.0 6-11 7-5
46. Goga Bitadze C Mega Bemax 18.4 6-11 7-2
47. Tyus Battle SG/SF Syracuse 20.3 6-7 6-8
48. O'Shae Brissett PF Syracuse 19.5 6-9 6-11
49. Rawle Alkins SG Arizona 20.2 6-5 6-9
50. Jarred Vanderbilt SF Kentucky 18.7 6-8 7-1
Again thanks, always like Draft Express. No other such mock has him though and I am glad Givony has him listed as 6 feet tall....
Quote from: mu03eng on January 18, 2018, 01:37:00 PM
Great analysis from Anonymous Eagle on this topic
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2017/12/12/16764200/marquette-golden-eagles-markus-howard-nba-professional-possibilities (https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2017/12/12/16764200/marquette-golden-eagles-markus-howard-nba-professional-possibilities)
Great closing line:
REMEMBER IT'S HIS DECISION AND YOUR DESIRE TO WATCH HIM WEARING A MARQUETTE JERSEY HAS NO EFFECT ON THIS.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on January 18, 2018, 02:07:11 PM
Great closing line:
REMEMBER IT'S HIS DECISION AND YOUR DESIRE TO WATCH HIM WEARING A MARQUETTE JERSEY HAS NO EFFECT ON THIS.
What a ridiculous comment. We know recruits are checking Scoop for validation before committing; it's only logical that they do the same when planning their career that is theirs and theirs alone.
So I come in thinking Keefe is back with a monumental amount of photos, but no it is another M2N thread, how disappointing!
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 18, 2018, 02:42:31 PM
So I come in thinking Keefe is back with a monumental amount of photos, but no it is another M2N thread, how disappointing!
Not really.
Quote from: The Lens on January 18, 2018, 01:30:21 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/21307077/nba-draft-rankings-espn-top-100-prospects-2018 (http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/21307077/nba-draft-rankings-espn-top-100-prospects-2018)
I 100% agree that he's too short, doesn't play D and cannot break a press. That all said, Jonathan Givony who has a pretty good reputation in the NBA has him in the 2nd round right now.
If you've got the upside Markus has got, you don't leave school to be drafted in the 2nd round.
Quote from: nyg on January 18, 2018, 02:06:10 PM
Again thanks, always like Draft Express. No other such mock has him though and I am glad Givony has him listed as 6 feet tall....
Ha! Even his MU-listed height of 5'11"is very generous.
Do height measurements include the hairdo?
Quote from: warriorchick on January 18, 2018, 06:40:28 PM
Ha! Even his MU-listed height of 5'11"is very generous.
Do height measurements include the hairdo?
he used POTUS's doctor
Quote from: warriorchick on January 18, 2018, 06:40:28 PM
Ha! Even his MU-listed height of 5'11"is very generous.
Do height measurements include the hairdo?
Of course they do
(https://memecrunch.com/meme/7D3EG/fletch-afro/image.png?w=400&c=1)
Quote from: naginiF on January 18, 2018, 06:48:23 PM
he used POTUS's doctor
Did the Doc spell his name right this time?
I'd draft Sam ahead of Markus, easy.
I also just commented on the other new thread of this topic about Shamet and Markus.
Mods, seriously, can't these be combined?