13 conference games to go. 7-6 gets MU solidly in the dance. Beat DePaul and SJU 2x each, G-town in DC, Butler, and Providence at home and voila'. Would like to also beat Creighton at home, so that there is room for error. Stealing one in Indy is house money, but completely doable. Losses at X, at home to Nova, at Creighton are to be assumed.
Honestly, I think there's a chance at Xavier. Keep the midgets out of foul trouble and it'll be a game. Xaiver is overrated.
I just have a strange feeling on that game.
I just can?t see us sweeping gtown, sju and DePaul but think we make up for it with an unexpected win (@hall possibly).
Quote from: PTM on January 10, 2018, 02:03:44 PM
Honestly, I think there's a chance at Xavier. Keep the midgets out of foul trouble and it'll be a game. Xaiver is overrated.
I just have a strange feeling on that game.
Agree. I am still mad we lost that X game at home. I felt that one slipped away (crap calls, no D).
Quote from: WindyCityGoldenEagle on January 10, 2018, 02:09:16 PM
I just can?t see us sweeping gtown, sju and DePaul but think we make up for it with an unexpected win (@hall possibly).
SJU will be tough, particularly in NYC, if Marcus Lovett is healthy when we play them. They miss him immensely.
I watched much of the Georgetown/St. Johns game last night ahead of our own, and based on what I saw, we would have to have a terrible night to lose to either of those teams as presently constructed.
Quote from: tower912 on January 10, 2018, 01:43:58 PM
13 conference games to go. 7-6 gets MU solidly in the dance. Beat DePaul and SJU 2x each, G-town in DC, Butler, and Providence at home and voila'. Would like to also beat Creighton at home, so that there is room for error. Stealing one in Indy is house money, but completely doable. Losses at X, at home to Nova, at Creighton are to be assumed.
Yeah, I think so too, but you know the committee likes Great we got a signature win!
What's the best on that resume. At Providence? Butler at home? I think more likely is we drop one against the cellar dwellers but take one against the top 3 (although tough to already have two of those chances gone).
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 10, 2018, 02:39:56 PM
SJU will be tough, particularly in NYC, if Marcus Lovett is healthy when we play them. They miss him immensely.
I watched much of the Georgetown/St. Johns game last night ahead of our own, and based on what I saw, we would have to have a terrible night to lose to either of those teams as presently constructed.
Funny you say that because @depaul is the one that scares me the most. Seems like we never get easy away wins versus them.
Quote from: 1SE on January 10, 2018, 02:42:52 PM
Yeah, I think so too, but you know the committee likes a signature win. What's the best on that resume. At Providence? Butler at home? I think more likely is we drop one against the cellar dwellers but take one against the top 3 (although tough to already have two of those chances gone).
We got the signature win last night.
Quote from: tower912 on January 10, 2018, 02:45:24 PM
We got the signature win last night.
I'm just going to chalk that up to being on a transatlantic red-eye last night combined with Scoop being down.
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 10, 2018, 02:39:56 PM
SJU will be tough, particularly in NYC, if Marcus Lovett is healthy when we play them. They miss him immensely.
I watched much of the Georgetown/St. Johns game last night ahead of our own, and based on what I saw, we would have to have a terrible night to lose to either of those teams as presently constructed.
Anyone going to SJU?
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 10, 2018, 02:39:56 PM
SJU will be tough, particularly in NYC, if Marcus Lovett is healthy when we play them. They miss him immensely.
I watched much of the Georgetown/St. Johns game last night ahead of our own, and based on what I saw, we would have to have a terrible night to lose to either of those teams as presently constructed.
Coach and family not on the same page?
http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/01/10/st-johns-guard-marcus-lovett-done-season-dad-says/
Quote from: MuMark on January 10, 2018, 04:42:09 PM
Coach and family not on the same page?
http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/01/10/st-johns-guard-marcus-lovett-done-season-dad-says/
Hmmmm....Marcus Lovett retweeted it, so that would indicate to me that they are on the same page.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on January 10, 2018, 04:51:05 PM
Hmmmm....Marcus Lovett retweeted it, so that would indicate to me that they are on the same page.
Yes, but his coach told the media he might be back at practice today...
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I thought LoVett might be having academic issues again but this seems like something else. He may not be around this year.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22030848/marcus-lovett-st-john-miss-remainder-season-left-knee-injury (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22030848/marcus-lovett-st-john-miss-remainder-season-left-knee-injury)
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 10, 2018, 09:03:53 PM
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22030848/marcus-lovett-st-john-miss-remainder-season-left-knee-injury (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22030848/marcus-lovett-st-john-miss-remainder-season-left-knee-injury)
This still smells a little fishy to me. Not sure we'll see LoVett suit up for the Fighting Mullins again.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 10, 2018, 11:42:44 PM
This still smells a little fishy to me. Not sure we'll see LoVett suit up for the Fighting Mullins again.
The coaching staff not being aware something not right.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 10, 2018, 11:42:44 PM
This still smells a little fishy to me. Not sure we'll see LoVett suit up for the Fighting Mullins again.
Initially confused. But are you saying there might be something besides the injury and that Mullin is giving Lovett a graceful exit?
Anyway, I now expect SJU to finish last. Frankly this probably enhances the chances that 7 BEast teams dance because the gap after #7 is pretty big. MU really needs 5 out of these remaining 5. 4 is the absolute minimum.
Quote from: PTM on January 10, 2018, 02:03:44 PM
Honestly, I think there's a chance at Xavier. Keep the midgets out of foul trouble and it'll be a game. Xaiver is overrated.
I just have a strange feeling on that game.
You are correct, sir! Last week they were overrated at #5. This week they are overrated at #10. Next week they'll be less overrated at around #15!
Quote from: tower912 on January 10, 2018, 01:43:58 PM
13 conference games to go. 7-6 gets MU solidly in the dance. Beat DePaul and SJU 2x each, G-town in DC, Butler, and Providence at home and voila'. Would like to also beat Creighton at home, so that there is room for error. Stealing one in Indy is house money, but completely doable. Losses at X, at home to Nova, at Creighton are to be assumed.
I'm not sure that I would "assume" a loss at Creighton. They don't play great defense, so if we can win a shoot-out, which we certainly can, we have a shot in Omaha.
I continue to believe we finish 3rd in the Big East and make it to the second weekend. We can put points on the board and our defense is making steady progress. There is no game or situation the rest of the regular season that we can't win. Not saying we will win them all but I think we won't see any blow outs. The Villanova game was a good example , we got it close toward the end. A couple of made 3s and we would have been right there.
These kids are now at the point where they believe in each other . I think we will see some nice games from Sam as opponents focus heavily on Markus and Rowsey. The rest of the team is playing well and embracing their roles. Greg Elliott is bringing a tremendous intensity to the game and will only get more valuable as the season goes on. He is must see TV for me.
The team just has to keep going into every game with the Big East mindset where every possession is a battle. Every team in our conference can also beat us so we can't let our guard down.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 10, 2018, 11:42:44 PM
This still smells a little fishy to me. Not sure we'll see LoVett suit up for the Fighting Mullins again.
does that happen? i've heard of it in more minor instances...but a guy gets booted from the team for poor conduct but the team tries to couch it as a medical/inury issue?
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 11, 2018, 12:19:14 PM
I continue to believe we finish 3rd in the Big East and make it to the second weekend. We can put points on the board and our defense is making steady progress. There is no game or situation the rest of the regular season that we can't win. Not saying we will win them all but I think we won't see any blow outs. The Villanova game was a good example , we got it close toward the end. A couple of made 3s and we would have been right there.
These kids are now at the point where they believe in each other . I think we will see some nice games from Sam as opponents focus heavily on Markus and Rowsey. The rest of the team is playing well and embracing their roles. Greg Elliott is bringing a tremendous intensity to the game and will only get more valuable as the season goes on. He is must see TV for me.
The team just has to keep going into every game with the Big East mindset where every possession is a battle. Every team in our conference can also beat us so we can't let our guard down.
You have had two very public and far reaching dreams
1) Oct 2015: Henry Ellenson wins the Naismith College Player of the Year his senior season
2) Oct 2017: This year's team goes to the 2nd weekend
Starting to think your Oct 2017 dream isn't so far reaching.
Quote from: The Lens on January 11, 2018, 12:25:42 PM
You have had two very public and far reaching dreams
1) Oct 2015: Henry Ellenson wins the Naismith College Player of the Year his senior season
2) Oct 2017: This year's team goes to the 2nd weekend
Starting to think your Oct 2017 dream isn't so far reaching.
You forgot riding Kostas to 4 straight NCAA championships
Quote from: The Lens on January 11, 2018, 12:25:42 PM
You have had two very public and far reaching dreams
1) Oct 2015: Henry Ellenson wins the Naismith College Player of the Year his senior season
2) Oct 2017: This year's team goes to the 2nd weekend
Starting to think your Oct 2017 dream isn't so far reaching.
I'd say the thought that we finish third is more unlikely than us getting to the 2nd weekend. We're the type of team that can certainly string together 2 strong shooting games in a row in the tourney. Finishing ahead of Creighton, Seton Hall or Xavier? I don't know about that, but I appreciate the optimism.
Quote from: HammerScreen on January 11, 2018, 01:02:58 PM
I'd say the thought that we finish third is more unlikely than us getting to the 2nd weekend. We're the type of team that can certainly string together 2 strong shooting games in a row in the tourney. Finishing ahead of Creighton, Seton Hall or Xavier? I don't know about that, but I appreciate the optimism.
Not optimism just like to go out there, but has calmed down a bit. He used to be way out there.
Quote from: jsglow on January 11, 2018, 10:42:14 AM
Initially confused. But are you saying there might be something besides the injury and that Mullin is giving Lovett a graceful exit?
Maybe. The injury supposedly wasnt that serious a few weeks ago. Now he's done for the season. That does happen, diagnosises get updated. It just makes me wonder especially with a kid who airway missed a season due to academics
My first thought when all the disconnect between the family and staff came out was that a transfer might be coming. Seems like everyone involved wants different things.
Quote from: HammerScreen on January 11, 2018, 01:02:58 PM
I'd say the thought that we finish third is more unlikely than us getting to the 2nd weekend. We're the type of team that can certainly string together 2 strong shooting games in a row in the tourney. Finishing ahead of Creighton, Seton Hall or Xavier? I don't know about that, but I appreciate the optimism.
Xavier has been riding thin ice so far in big east play it?s only a matter of time till it comes crashing down. I think fourth.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on January 11, 2018, 02:05:45 PM
Xavier has been riding thin ice so far in big east play it?s only a matter of time till it comes crashing down. I think fourth.
I agree - they've been shaky and aren't a top 10 team nationally. They're maybe a top 15, definitely a top 25. I think they'll finish with 10-11 wins, ahead of us at 9-10 wins. They're a veteran team with some strong assets, good chance they'll start playing better.
Xavier has 3 losses this year. One at Providence where a lot of good teams are going to lose. One at the best team in the country where everyone will lose. And one on a neutral court to an Arizona State team that was beating everyone when they played them/has only 2 losses themselves. When your worst loss is at Providence, you don't really have a bad loss at all.
They smoked up a very good Cinci team, smoked up a decent Baylor team, won at Marquette, absolutely smoked a Colorado team that just beat Arizona and Arizona State, beat Butler at home, and won at a solid mid major in UNI.
They have earned the ranking they have.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 11, 2018, 02:21:23 PM
Xavier has 3 losses this year. One at Providence where a lot of good teams are going to lose. One at the best team in the country where everyone will lose. And one on a neutral court to an Arizona State team that was beating everyone when they played them/has only 2 losses themselves. When your worst loss is at Providence, you don't really have a bad loss at all.
They smoked up a very good Cinci team, smoked up a decent Baylor team, won at Marquette, absolutely smoked a Colorado team that just beat Arizona and Arizona State, beat Butler at home, and won at a solid mid major in UNI.
They have earned the ranking they have.
This. Xavier is really good. I watch a lot of college hoops. I've seen every top 25 team play multiple times. I am very hard pressed to list 5 teams that I think are better than X. They are a legit top 10 that could win the whole thing.
Winning road games is very hard in every league, but especially the Big East. X is not overrated.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 11, 2018, 02:21:23 PM
Xavier has 3 losses this year. One at Providence where a lot of good teams are going to lose. One at the best team in the country where everyone will lose. And one on a neutral court to an Arizona State team that was beating everyone when they played them/has only 2 losses themselves. When your worst loss is at Providence, you don't really have a bad loss at all.
They smoked up a very good Cinci team, smoked up a decent Baylor team, won at Marquette, absolutely smoked a Colorado team that just beat Arizona and Arizona State, beat Butler at home, and won at a solid mid major in UNI.
They have earned the ranking they have.
Yes but what is that ranking?
Last week some pointed out they may be overrated at 5 while other defended it.
Now they are 10th but have added another loss(granted to the best team...granted by 24)
So what's the ranking they have so far earned.
I personally think of them as very good team that's top 15 at worst and probably about 10-12
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 11, 2018, 12:48:50 PM
You forgot riding Kostas to 4 straight NCAA championships
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You have had THREE very public and far reaching dreams
1) 2015: Henry Ellenson wins the Naismith College Player of the Year his senior season
2) 2016: Riding Kostas to 4 straight NCAA championships
3) 2017: This year's team goes to the 2nd weekend
Starting to think your 2017 dream isn't so far reaching. Change of diet? Different hallucinogens?
Quote from: wadesworld on January 11, 2018, 02:21:23 PM
Xavier has 3 losses this year. One at Providence where a lot of good teams are going to lose. One at the best team in the country where everyone will lose. And one on a neutral court to an Arizona State team that was beating everyone when they played them/has only 2 losses themselves. When your worst loss is at Providence, you don't really have a bad loss at all.
They smoked up a very good Cinci team, smoked up a decent Baylor team, won at Marquette, absolutely smoked a Colorado team that just beat Arizona and Arizona State, beat Butler at home, and won at a solid mid major in UNI.
They have earned the ranking they have.
Did you just call UNI who is 0-5 in the MVC solid? Lmao Wades this isn?t exactly the UNI team that beat Kansas
Colorado isn?t a bad win but they?ve been super bipolar and are 10-7
Cinci Baylor and ASU I?ll give you.
In Big East play they?ve looked very pedestrian though. Against us, Depaul, Nova, and Butler. And for a team that is supposed to be as good as they are I expected more.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 11, 2018, 02:31:06 PM
This. Xavier is really good. I watch a lot of college hoops. I've seen every top 25 team play multiple times. I am very hard pressed to list 5 teams that I think are better than X. They are a legit top 10 that could win the whole thing.
Winning road games is very hard in every league, but especially the Big East. X is not overrated.
Maybe I'm caught up in a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately mentality, but they've promptly fallen to the second tier of the conference efficiency map
Quote from: HammerScreen on January 11, 2018, 03:06:55 PM
Maybe I'm caught up in a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately mentality, but they've promptly fallen to the second tier of the conference efficiency map
So I assume you're also down on Michigan State (lost @ OSU, beat Rutgers in OT at home), Texas Tech (loss @ Oklahoma), Duke (recent losses @ BC and @ NCST)?
Those are 10 team teams too...teams lose games on the road in conference season. Its what happens, especially when the parity is significant as it is this year.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on January 11, 2018, 03:04:38 PM
Did you just call UNI who is 0-5 in the MVC solid? Lmao Wades this isn?t exactly the UNI team that beat Kansas
Colorado isn?t a bad win but they?ve been super bipolar and are 10-7
Cinci Baylor and ASU I?ll give you.
In Big East play they?ve looked very pedestrian though. Against us, Depaul, Nova, and Butler. And for a team that is supposed to be as good as they are I expected more.
You're right on UNI. I guess I simply stopped following them after the Xavier loss, and to that point their 3 losses were Xavier, UNC, and Iowa State and they had wins over SMU, NC State, and UNLV.
They're 3-2 in the BE and they've played at home vs. Butler and DePaul and on the road against Providence, Nova, and MU. They're probably right around where a top 10-15 team should be with that starting schedule, maybe 1 game worse.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 11, 2018, 04:06:40 PM
You're right on UNI. I guess I simply stopped following them after the Xavier loss, and to that point their 3 losses were Xavier, UNC, and Iowa State and they had wins over SMU, NC State, and UNLV.
They're 3-2 in the BE and they've played at home vs. Butler and DePaul and on the road against Providence, Nova, and MU. They're probably right around where a top 10-15 team should be with that starting schedule, maybe 1 game worse.
I?m not arguing the record. I just don?t think they looked impressive in those wins (or losses for that matter) like we looked impressive against seton hall, they looked like they escaped us Depaul and butler. But different strokes for different folks I suppose.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on January 11, 2018, 05:35:42 PM
I?m not arguing the record. I just don?t think they looked impressive in those wins (or losses for that matter) like we looked impressive against seton hall, they looked like they escaped us Depaul and butler. But different strokes for different folks I suppose.
Our win against the Hall was impressive; just like Butler's win against Nova. I guess will find out how impressive our game was after the game tomorrow.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 11, 2018, 06:43:07 PM
Our win against the Hall was impressive; just like Butler's win against Nova. I guess will find out how impressive our game was after the game tomorrow.
Would be nice to show we are capable of winning in Hinkle
Quote from: WindyCityGoldenEagle on January 10, 2018, 02:44:50 PM
Funny you say that because @depaul is the one that scares me the most. Seems like we never get easy away wins versus them.
The majority of the crowd in their house are Marquette fans and that always pisses the DePaul team off and gets 'em motivated (to shut us up).
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 11, 2018, 03:23:41 PM
So I assume you're also down on Michigan State (lost @ OSU, beat Rutgers in OT at home), Texas Tech (loss @ Oklahoma), Duke (recent losses @ BC and @ NCST)?
Those are 10 team teams too...teams lose games on the road in conference season. Its what happens, especially when the parity is significant as it is this year.
Nah man, I feel you on the fact that conference play is a drag and super competitive, but look at the efficiency maps. Xavier would be a Tier 2 team in all of those conferences.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 11, 2018, 07:53:26 PM
Would be nice to show we are capable of winning in Hinkle
Yep, have to measure the height of both Baskets.
Quote from: HammerScreen on January 11, 2018, 08:22:16 PM
Nah man, I feel you on the fact that conference play is a drag and super competitive, but look at the efficiency maps. Xavier would be a Tier 2 team in all of those conferences.
I think we catch X in Cincy and beat them by 10
Quote from: Loose Cannon on January 11, 2018, 08:30:15 PM
Yep, have to measure the height of both Baskets.
Solid reference. Jimmy Chitwood would be proud.