Last night WOJO did something special. He put our puzzle pieces together and the picture started looking pretty impressive. We looked twice as quick as SH. They looked strong but they looked slow. And...everyone on Marquette's team had the "Eye of the Tiger". Congrats to WOJO for a very nice piece of coaching on and off the court.
Quote from: DarkWarrior on January 10, 2018, 08:41:21 AM
Last night WOJO did something special. He put our puzzle pieces together and the picture started looking pretty impressive. We looked twice as quick as SH. They looked strong but they looked slow. And...everyone on Marquette's team had the "Eye of the Tiger". Congrats to WOJO for a very nice piece of coaching on and off the court.
Couldn't agree more. Just random side-note/question....when was the last time we were ranked?
Quote from: jaygall31 on January 10, 2018, 08:42:46 AM
Couldn't agree more. Just random side-note/question....when was the last time we were ranked?
I believe going against New Mexico in 2013-14 we were still ranked. Received a vote or two last year I believe.
Quote from: jaygall31 on January 10, 2018, 08:42:46 AM
Couldn't agree more. Just random side-note/question....when was the last time we were ranked?
Whatever you do, don't bump the "what are we ranked on Monday" thread. We're like 0-4 in the Wojo era the game after someone bumps that thread
This has been a progression.
Most Scoopers who weren't dead-set against Wojo from the beginning could see him gradually improving as a coach the last couple of years, so this doesn't surprise us so much.
In the Henry season, I thought he first started to get a nice feel as to which players to use in which situations, and I believe that has continued to be a major strength of his. I find myself almost never second-guessing his PT decisions - and I am a big-time second-guesser!
I thought he did some nice motivational things last season, and he has continued this year. The X's and O's have improved, too.
He has been willing to try new things when the talent has let him. A great example is the occasional half-court trapping the team is doing this season. We didn't have a team capable of that in the past; now, with Elliott, Cain, Anim and John, we have the kind of quick, defense-minded, long-armed athletes who make it possible.
He is flexible. A perfect example was at the end of last season when he took Luke out of the starting lineup for the final several games. But in the NCAA game, when Matt struggled (to put it nicely), Wojo didn't hesitate to do what was necessary to give the team a chance. He has done much the same at the center position this season, especially since Froling became eligible. Wojo rides the hot hand, which most successful coaches do.
His recruiting has been excellent. Players have developed under his staff's tutelage - anybody who would argue otherwise is clueless.
We are prepared for games.
The kids are tough-minded - basketball is a game of runs, and we're pretty good at responding to an opponent's run with one of our own. Could've cracked vs X; didn't. Could've lost to Nova by 30; didn't. Could've cracked last night when Hall made its run; didn't. Could've suffered a devastating defeat vs E Illinois; didn't. Could've gone down the tubes at Providence; didn't. Etc, etc, etc.
Some will argue the game against E Illinois shouldn't have even been close. Well, of course not. But look around the country. Those kind of games are happening all over the place. Sometimes you suck against a team you should beat easily ... it's important to still find some way to win on those nights.
Defense has been slow to come around, but it's been better this season, and it was - dare I say? - very good for long stretches last night against a very good opponent.
We don't quite have all the pieces in place yet, and some of the good pieces we have are very young, but I see a growing, improving team that is being managed by a coach who is figuring it out.
Very bullish on the direction of this program.
The main problem I have had with Wojo is that I think it took him too long to realize how important length and athleticism are in the BE. I think he "settled" for players like Carter and Cheatham who were skilled, but were low-ceiling type players.
And of course these guys transfer and we are seemingly perpetually young. Well hopefully that changes in the coming years. If everyone sticks around, the current sophomore class + Morrow is going to be massive. Skilled, balanced, experienced, etc.
Of course we will get the unexpected transfer and should prepare ourselves for that as well.
Quote from: #bansultan on January 10, 2018, 09:16:20 AM
The main problem I have had with Wojo is that I think it took him too long to realize how important length and athleticism are in the BE. I think he "settled" for players like Carter and Cheatham who were skilled, but were low-ceiling type players.
And of course these guys transfer and we are seemingly perpetually young. Well hopefully that changes in the coming years. If everyone sticks around, the current sophomore class + Morrow is going to be massive. Skilled, balanced, experienced, etc.
Of course we will get the unexpected transfer and should prepare ourselves for that as well.
How long is "too long"? He was in on some players he didn't get. It happens.
Haani was darn good as a freshman. Much of the same kind of praise that's now being heaped upon Elliott and Cain was being heaped upon Haani two years ago. Haani is an example of a player who didn't develop under Wojo; whether that was more Wojo's "fault" or Haani's, it's legit fodder for the anti-Wojo faction of this board.
As for your last sentence about transfers ... yep, and that's the case with every other major program, too.
Nice analysis MU82.
One observation I would add is players seem to understand and play within their roll on this team. They know who the scorers are and consistantly get them the ball in shooting position. The only one I see trying to do too much at times is Rowsey, and well he is the senior and you could argue is expected to try to make things happen. However, when he plays with his teammates, we have a much better chance of winning.
Quote from: MU82 on January 10, 2018, 09:21:50 AM
How long is "too long"? He was in on some players he didn't get. It happens.
Haani was darn good as a freshman. Much of the same kind of praise that's now being heaped upon Elliott and Cain was being heaped upon Haani two years ago. Haani is an example of a player who didn't develop under Wojo; whether that was more Wojo's "fault" or Haani's, it's legit fodder for the anti-Wojo faction of this board.
As for your last sentence about transfers ... yep, and that's the case with every other major program, too.
I think Haani's problem is that he was a highly skilled player coming in, but didn't have a lot of upside. He is a below the rim player, not very quick, and with an inconsistent outside shot. I mean, what was he going to become? Maybe a better shooter, but that didn't seem to happen.
Elliott, Cain, John and Sacar have legitimate upsides that I can see.
My only complaint on Wojo (other than wondering if he's a competent x's & o's coach) is his slow growth plan. IMO, it does not make sense if he jumps ship after first bit of success. However if he sticks for 6+ years then I am firmly on board. I still wonder about his game coaching but recruiting is so much more important and it looks like he's got that aspect down.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on January 10, 2018, 08:51:37 AM
I believe going against New Mexico in 2013-14 we were still ranked. Received a vote or two last year I believe.
MU last ranked during Buzz's final year. 11/25/13; ranked #25 and dropped out after a loss to San Diego State.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/marquette/2014-schedule.html
Quote from: The Lens on January 10, 2018, 09:34:11 AM
My only complaint on Wojo (other than wondering if he's a competent x's & o's coach) is his slow growth plan. IMO, it does not make sense if he jumps ship after first bit of success. However if he sticks for 6+ years then I am firmly on board. I still wonder about his game coaching but recruiting is so much more important and it looks like he's got that aspect down.
Are you sure about that? I think a good gameplan and good prep beats a talented but unprepared team every time. Yes, recruiting is big, but X's and O's have to be more important in the college game. We see this year in and year out in the tournament. A team full of pro prospects gets upset by a nobody because the gameplan and effort were better from the nobody.
Wojo is improving his gameplanning and preparation for sure. He still has a long way to go with his defensive plans, but he's making noticeable strides right now. If last night is a glimpse into what he's truly capable of as an X's and O's coach, then we should be in good shape for the next few years.
Quote from: jaygall31 on January 10, 2018, 08:42:46 AM
Couldn't agree more. Just random side-note/question....when was the last time we were ranked?
It won't be Monday. Win on Friday (especially if it is a convincing, highlight win) and I could see us getting votes, but nothing more. Finish the next week 2-0 (with a win @X) and we would be 16-5 (5-2) and we're almost certainly in the top 25 going into the Nova game.
That's a LOT of ifs...but it isn't out of the question.
Wojo had a great night. Looking forward to Fri.
Quote from: #bansultan on January 10, 2018, 09:28:26 AM
I think Haani's problem is that he was a highly skilled player coming in, but didn't have a lot of upside. He is a below the rim player, not very quick, and with an inconsistent outside shot. I mean, what was he going to become? Maybe a better shooter, but that didn't seem to happen.
Elliott, Cain, John and Sacar have legitimate upsides that I can see.
Curious, what upside do you see in Sacar that you don't/didn't see in Haanif?
Quote from: skianth16 on January 10, 2018, 10:27:55 AM
Are you sure about that? I think a good gameplan and good prep beats a talented but unprepared team every time. Yes, recruiting is big, but X's and O's have to be more important in the college game. We see this year in and year out in the tournament. A team full of pro prospects gets upset by a nobody because the gameplan and effort were better from the nobody.
Wojo is improving his gameplanning and preparation for sure. He still has a long way to go with his defensive plans, but he's making noticeable strides right now. If last night is a glimpse into what he's truly capable of as an X's and O's coach, then we should be in good shape for the next few years.
Mike Deane is hands down the best "coach" we have had since KO saved the program and he's the only one we had to truly fire, so that should tell you how important recruiting is to a college program.
Quote from: g0lden3agle on January 10, 2018, 11:04:13 AM
Curious, what upside do you see in Sacar that you don't/didn't see in Haanif?
To be honest, I threw Sacar in at the end so I understand the doubt that is inherent with your question. I guess I don't see as much upside as much as I can see him excelling in a specific role. Defend wing players, hustle for lose balls, grab a couple rebounds, etc.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 10, 2018, 10:27:55 AM
Are you sure about that? I think a good gameplan and good prep beats a talented but unprepared team every time. Yes, recruiting is big, but X's and O's have to be more important in the college game. We see this year in and year out in the tournament. A team full of pro prospects gets upset by a nobody because the gameplan and effort were better from the nobody.
Wojo is improving his gameplanning and preparation for sure. He still has a long way to go with his defensive plans, but he's making noticeable strides right now. If last night is a glimpse into what he's truly capable of as an X's and O's coach, then we should be in good shape for the next few years.
We do see individual upsets but other than Villanova (who had one 5 star and a bunch of top 100 recruits) the tournament champions have largely been teams filled with NBA talent.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 10, 2018, 11:30:11 AM
We do see individual upsets but other than Villanova (who had one 5 star and a bunch of top 100 recruits) the tournament champions have largely been teams filled with NBA talent.
You're right about the championship teams, but look at how many teams have made runs without top talent. I look at guys like Brad Davis, Shaka Smart, Greg Marshall, Randy Bennett, Mark Few, etc who have consistently performed well in the tournament and turned small, mid-major programs into household names come March. Yes, those guys have all had some NBA-caliber players, but they were rarely top recruits coming into college, and they weren't getting that talent until they'd made a name for themselves by outperforming expectations with 2 star recruits.
Quote from: #bansultan on January 10, 2018, 09:28:26 AM
I think Haani's problem is that he was a highly skilled player coming in, but didn't have a lot of upside. He is a below the rim player, not very quick, and with an inconsistent outside shot. I mean, what was he going to become? Maybe a better shooter, but that didn't seem to happen.
Elliott, Cain, John and Sacar have legitimate upsides that I can see.
I agree about Elliott and Cain having better upsides at a similar position to Haani's.
But Haani could have become more had he dedicated his offseasons to doing more than driving from the left and shooting with his left.
Pretty much every Scooper saw that problem even when he was a freshman exceeding expectations. There were probably hundreds of comments stating some version of, "Just how think he can be if he develops his right hand." But he didn't do it. Some might be on Wojo and the staff, but I put most of it on Haani himself.
Haani could have been a decent to good offensive player who could drive to the hoop, handle it OK and shoot open jumpers, as well as a good defender.
Instead, he became an ultra-predictable, easy-to-defend offensive player. College coaches are good, and they simply stopped letting him drive from the left. So Haani lost the ability to score on drives, became totally one-dimensional on offense, lost his confidence and, ultimately lost his minutes.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 10, 2018, 09:08:19 AM
Whatever you do, don't bump the "what are we ranked on Monday" thread. We're like 0-4 in the Wojo era the game after someone bumps that thread
I bet it'll get bumped this weekend when we win @ Butler Friday night.
Quote from: #bansultan on January 10, 2018, 11:12:59 AM
To be honest, I threw Sacar in at the end so I understand the doubt that is inherent with your question. I guess I don't see as much upside as much as I can see him excelling in a specific role. Defend wing players, hustle for lose balls, grab a couple rebounds, etc.
I totally agree with you on Sacar, and I think Sacar is totally comfortable in that role. That might be the difference between him and Haanif/Carter - understanding ones role and being comfortable with that enough to stick around 4 years and excel in that role given your talents and potential.
I'm not sure how much faster Wojo could have been with bringing in the length/athleticism we need to excel in the Big East. Haanif and Carter would have been totally acceptable recruits, except they came into a situation where they were given the opportunity to get major minutes while Wojo was simultaneously getting his bearings and recruiting better talent. Not sure there's any fault/blame to be had here.
Quote from: The Lens on January 10, 2018, 11:09:52 AM
Mike Deane is hands down the best "coach" we have had since KO saved the program and he's the only one we had to truly fire, so that should tell you how important recruiting is to a college program.
Yes, and Mike Deane also said once that MU should not expect to get blue chip recruits. As fun as his first 3 years were...year 4 and 5 just SUCKED!
Sacar reminds me of Todd Townsend. Also, please remind me when Haanif ?exceeded? expectations Freshman year? Against the cupcakes maybe but I still have Iowa emblazoned in my brain.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 10, 2018, 10:47:09 AMIt won't be Monday. Win on Friday (especially if it is a convincing, highlight win) and I could see us getting votes, but nothing more. Finish the next week 2-0 (with a win @X) and we would be 16-5 (5-2) and we're almost certainly in the top 25 going into the Nova game.
One problem, after Butler we play DePaul on the 15th, then have 9 days off for Xavier. From a rankings perspective, DePaul is the only game that week, while Xavier and Villanova are the same week.
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on January 10, 2018, 09:53:06 AM
MU last ranked during Buzz's final year. 11/25/13; ranked #25 and dropped out after a loss to San Diego State.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/marquette/2014-schedule.html
I had the right team and conference but wrong team
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 10, 2018, 02:06:29 PM
please remind me when Haanif ?exceeded? expectations Freshman year? Against the cupcakes maybe but I still have Iowa emblazoned in my brain.
8 on 4-5 shooting in 35 strong mins in upset at Wis.
17 vs Seton Hall.
16 on 5-7 shooting in upset at #8 Providence.
15 vs St. Johns.
17-6-3 in 38 mins at #6 Nova.
14 at St Johns.
21 at #6 Xavier.
21-6 in 43 mins in double OT win over #20 Prov.
17 on 7-13 in 31 strong mins vs #1 Nova.
15 on 5-6 shooting in a 1-point win vs Georgetown.
19 vs. St. Johns in BET.
14 vs #5 Xavier in BET.
I don't know about you, but going into his freshman year, I didn't expect all of that, so he definitely exceeded my expectations.
Maybe you expected a freshman who wasn't being recruited by every national power to come in here and do stuff like score 21 pts in back-to-back games against ranked Big East teams and to score 17 twice against Nova, but I sure didn't.
Congratulations to So no for a great win. He blended the players well and ran the right defenses to control the game.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on January 10, 2018, 10:16:14 PM
Congratulations to So no for a great win. He blended the players well and ran the right defenses to control the game.
I'm guessing auto-correct got in the way of "Congratulations to Wojo for a great win..."
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 10, 2018, 02:06:29 PM
Sacar reminds me of Todd Townsend.
That's actually a really interesting comparison, if Sacar can prove that he can hit an open 3 occasionally. Seems like Townsend always hit like one per game. Sacar has looked terrible from 3 this year, both from a statistical standpoint and via the eye test. His shot looks like a brick...nothing soft about it, and I think he's shooting like 7% from 3, with his only make on a 3 that hit the front of the rim, bounced straight up, and somehow found the net.
Quote from: MU82 on January 10, 2018, 06:07:07 PM
8 on 4-5 shooting in 35 strong mins in upset at Wis.
17 vs Seton Hall.
16 on 5-7 shooting in upset at #8 Providence.
15 vs St. Johns.
17-6-3 in 38 mins at #6 Nova.
14 at St Johns.
21 at #6 Xavier.
21-6 in 43 mins in double OT win over #20 Prov.
17 on 7-13 in 31 strong mins vs #1 Nova.
15 on 5-6 shooting in a 1-point win vs Georgetown.
19 vs. St. Johns in BET.
14 vs #5 Xavier in BET.
I don't know about you, but going into his freshman year, I didn't expect all of that, so he definitely exceeded my expectations.
Maybe you expected a freshman who wasn't being recruited by every national power to come in here and do stuff like score 21 pts in back-to-back games against ranked Big East teams and to score 17 twice against Nova, but I sure didn't.
His conference Orating was a below average 95.4 in Year 1 and 93.8 in Year 2. His turnover rate was a whopping 25% both years in conference. His usage rate was higher in Year 1 thus his points, although his EFG% was higher but still partisan. All in all, he didn't exceed expectations whereas as these Frosh are.
Finally got to this after traveling yesterday. I think 82's analysis is spot on.
Quote from: TheyWereCones on January 11, 2018, 12:11:56 AM
That's actually a really interesting comparison, if Sacar can prove that he can hit an open 3 occasionally. Seems like Townsend always hit like one per game. Sacar has looked terrible from 3 this year, both from a statistical standpoint and via the eye test. His shot looks like a brick...nothing soft about it, and I think he's shooting like 7% from 3, with his only make on a 3 that hit the front of the rim, bounced straight up, and somehow found the net.
As stated before, Sacar needs to get some air under all of his shots. Sacar is much more athletic than Townsend was.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 11, 2018, 12:26:26 AM
His conference Orating was a below average 95.4 in Year 1 and 93.8 in Year 2. His turnover rate was a whopping 25% both years in conference. His usage rate was higher in Year 1 thus his points, although his EFG% was higher but still partisan. All in all, he didn't exceed expectations whereas as these Frosh are.
Silly me. I just looked at a 3.5-star freshman regularly scoring 15-21 points against ranked teams and thought, "Wow, he's doing better than I expected."
I shoulda gouged out my eyes and had somebody read me advanced stats.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 11, 2018, 12:26:26 AM
His conference Orating was a below average 95.4 in Year 1 and 93.8 in Year 2. His turnover rate was a whopping 25% both years in conference. His usage rate was higher in Year 1 thus his points, although his EFG% was higher but still partisan. All in all, he didn't exceed expectations whereas as these Frosh are.
Interesting because we had one poster declaring he was going to be a "stud" after his freshman year. But he didn't "exceed expectations???"
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 05, 2016, 05:04:56 PM
- Second best eFG% team since the Midgets. Cheatham will be a stud.
- Worst rebounding team in at least 15 years. Need to correct that. Missed Teve.
- Played too fast and too loose at the guard position. Haanif is not a PG, but Traci looks like he is the guy.
- This roster was not built to be physically Big East ready. A bigger if for next year too as it stands today.
- Hank lived up to his billing. He will be missed.
- J3 most improved. Needs to play every possession on D
- Other freshmen played like freshmen but showed signs
- Luke, Du, Sandy, and JJJ (earlier) were shrinking violets at times, and SOTG at others. Need consistency and strength.
Grade C: At this point, out of NIT. Saw progression and growth in last quarter of season. Roster was built for finesse in a physical league. Depth hurt with so many youngsters so whiffing on graduate big body transfers hurt when Teve left that would have protected Luke and Henry, and helped us on boards. That said, Wojo is 4 out and 1 in on offense, and I think that scheme hurt MU on the O boards more than anything. With such poor offensive rebounding to go with all the turnovers, this team gave back too many possessions. The shooting was better than us fans have seen, and so generally has the defense. Good road wins for the Thanksgiving tournament and Madison. Not as good at home as we needed to be. Growing pains gave us high and lows, but good memories. We get a reset here in NYC.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 10, 2018, 01:03:14 PM
I bet it'll get bumped this weekend when we win @ Butler Friday night.
Nope. Won't bump it till we beat X and CU
Quote from: #bansultan on January 10, 2018, 09:28:26 AM
I think Haani's problem is that he was a highly skilled player coming in, but didn't have a lot of upside. He is a below the rim player, not very quick, and with an inconsistent outside shot. I mean, what was he going to become? Maybe a better shooter, but that didn't seem to happen.
Elliott, Cain, John and Sacar have legitimate upsides that I can see.
I agree with this analysis. And Haani wasn't really that good as a freshman. He has 2 guys (Henry and Luke) who occupied other team's rim protectors and gave him driving lanes wide enough for a truck. Without Henry, Cheathm's drives usually resulted in a wild miss or an easy blocked shot.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 11, 2018, 09:35:23 PM
I agree with this analysis. And Haani wasn't really that good as a freshman. He has 2 guys (Henry and Luke) who occupied other team's rim protectors and gave him driving lanes wide enough for a truck. Without Henry, Cheathm's drives usually resulted in a wild miss or an easy blocked shot.
I didn't say Haani was "really that good." I said he exceeded expectations. I expected very little out of him, as is the case with most freshmen.
For example, I had much higher expectations for JJJ when he was a freshman, and a top-30 recruit IIRC. I also had much higher expectations for Vander, a 5-star.
Haani was rated what, around 80-100? I hoped he'd be good. I didn't expect him to score 21 in back-to-back games against ranked teams - no matter who was on the court with him.
I mean, Vander had some pretty good players on the court with him, too!
Really not trying to be argumentative here. Just saying Haani exceeded my expectations. Maybe others simply had higher expectations for him, though I don't know why they would.
Quote from: #bansultan on January 11, 2018, 01:30:16 PM
Interesting because we had one poster declaring he was going to be a "stud" after his freshman year. But he didn't "exceed expectations???"
So how does "Grade C "= Exceed Expectations? Haani was good, had potential, but in retrospect, fell short. I await your analysis just like your Wojo defense of his New Age defense this year.
Quote from: MU82 on January 11, 2018, 01:20:34 PM
Silly me. I just looked at a 3.5-star freshman regularly scoring 15-21 points against ranked teams and thought, "Wow, he's doing better than I expected."
I shoulda gouged out my eyes and had somebody read me advanced stats.
Heaven forbid a journalist use "advanced stats"...oh the horror!
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 12, 2018, 12:31:06 AM
Heaven forbid a journalist use "advanced stats"...oh the horror!
Oh, I'll use advanced stats sometimes ... even though I'm no longer a journalist. Been retired for quite some time.
Look Doc, your comment was:
please remind me when Haanif "exceeded" expectations Freshman year? Against the cupcakes maybe ... I then proceeded to remind you, listing a dozen games that weren't against cupcakes in which Haani played anywhere from good to excellent.
Finally, I explained that I had not expected him to come in as a freshman, start every game, make the BE All-Freshman team.
He even played well enough that one highly intelligent observer opined that he "will be a stud."
Maybe this future "stud" only met your expectations as a freshman; he exceeded mine. Maybe you expected him to score 21 points in consecutive games against ranked teams and play very well in several other games against ranked teams; I didn't. Maybe you considered Nova, X, Providence, Seton Hall and F%cky to be "cupcakes" in 2015-16; I didn't.
You can keep trying to claim whatever you want, but I'm thinking the facts back up my thesis a little better than yours.
Anyway ... how 'bout that Wojo?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 12, 2018, 12:25:40 AM
So how does "Grade C "= Exceed Expectations? Haani was good, had potential, but in retrospect, fell short. I await your analysis just like your Wojo defense of his New Age defense this year.
Your grade was for the team, not for Haani.
And I find it really hard to believe that a guy you declared was going to be a "stud" didn't exceed your expectations as a freshman. Face it, you are viewing Haani's freshman season in a different light due to the last season and a half.
Whether or not you are doing that subconsciously or intentionally is a question only you can answer.
Good to see some guys jumping on the bandwagon finally, though I expect a loss or two will bring out the crazies again.
Figured people would already be off the bandwagon, but this guy is great. He has the youngest team in the third best conference in the country playing well and playing with anyone. Butler is almost unbeatable at Hinkle. As these guys get older, stronger, they will become wiser and better defenders.
Future is so bright.
Quote from: WarriorDad on January 12, 2018, 07:24:51 PM
Figured people would already be off the bandwagon, but this guy is great. He has the youngest team in the third best conference in the country playing well and playing with anyone. Butler is almost unbeatable at Hinkle. As these guys get older, stronger, they will become wiser and better defenders.
Future is so bright.
There's some truth to getting these young guys to compete, but there's also something to be said for this kind of second half collapse and having no answers for their offense. That wasn't because our guys are young.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 12, 2018, 07:28:19 PM
There's some truth to getting these young guys to compete, but there's also something to be said for this kind of second half collapse and having no answers for their offense. That wasn't because our guys are young.
It kind of was. Elliott on Martin. The only non frosh or sophomore who saw significant time in the second half was Rowsey.
Quote from: WarriorDad on January 12, 2018, 07:24:51 PM
Figured people would already be off the bandwagon, but this guy is great. He has the youngest team in the third best conference in the country playing well and playing with anyone. Butler is almost unbeatable at Hinkle. As these guys get older, stronger, they will become wiser and better defenders.
Future is so bright.
Wojo hasn't been able to teach defense to players of any age at MU. At this stage, it's safe to say he cannot coach defense to the talent level he's recruiting.
Missed you Tuesday.
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on January 12, 2018, 07:32:08 PM
Wojo hasn't been able to teach defense to players of any age at MU. At this stage, it's safe to say he cannot coach defense to the talent level he's recruiting.
Disagree.
Quote from: tower912 on January 12, 2018, 07:30:54 PM
It kind of was. Elliott on Martin. The only non frosh or sophomore who saw significant time in the second half was Rowsey.
Do you think the GE vs. Martin mismatch was because of age/experience? I think the difference maker there is Martin's 40-50 pounds and extra height and length. Experience plays a role, but, to me, the physical differences are pretty tough to overcome, regardless of experience.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 12, 2018, 07:35:25 PM
Do you think the GE vs. Martin mismatch was because of age/experience? I think the difference maker there is Martin's 40-50 pounds and extra height and length. Experience plays a role, but, to me, the physical differences are pretty tough to overcome, regardless of experience.
All of the above. Age, experience, length, mass.
As I mentioned in the game thread, ignore works well if people don't quote those that are ignored
Quote from: skianth16 on January 12, 2018, 07:35:25 PM
Do you think the GE vs. Martin mismatch was because of age/experience? I think the difference maker there is Martin's 40-50 pounds and extra height and length. Experience plays a role, but, to me, the physical differences are pretty tough to overcome, regardless of experience.
Some of those physical differences are made up with age as one adds strength and guile. How to play angles, avoid the fakes. Martin is a great player, but as our young guys get older, stronger, and more basketball savvy they will be better at defense. We are extremely young, lost in a building where Butler has lost one game all year. The same building where Nova lost by 20.
Quote from: WarriorDad on January 12, 2018, 08:13:05 PM
The same building where Nova lost by 20.
Actually Villanova lost 101-93 to Butler.
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on January 12, 2018, 09:38:58 PM
Actually Villanova lost 101-93 to Butler.
Though Nova was down 22 with about 8 minutes to go.....
The No. 1 team in the nation gave up 101 points in losing at Butler ... yet our loss there was a disgrace. I love it.