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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Big Daddy 84 on January 03, 2018, 11:38:32 AM
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The big three are will be hard to beat on any given night, but I tend to think that someone will breakthrough. My vote is for Harry.
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Harry or Jamal.
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Cain
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I agree, Harry or Jamal. That's mainly because scoring it what will likely push someone past the big 3. Since Harry likely has more diversity in his scoring options (though Jamal has been impressive from 3 and driving the lane), I'll go with Harry.
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If Harry starts hitting those pick and pops watch out...but I choose Sacar.
We will have an old school Big East game soon and Sacar will thrive
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Since Sacar has consistently been good, I think if he hits a couple of those 3’s he’s been missing, we’ll see him nab one.
One of these games, he will probably also create a play (turnover, etc) in crunch time that leads to a win. He’s been making big plays in nearly every game, so it’s just a matter of time that one of them ends up being uge.
So I think he has more opportunities than the other guys, who might be able to have a great game or two, but don’t generally make a major impact. Harry especially, I’m not sure how he would be the most likely to be the next SOTG... He’s playing 13 minutes a game and even at that, his stats are significantly bolstered by being featured against American University. I can’t imagine him taking the Big East by storm, would love to see it but, doesn’t seem based in reality. I don’t know if he just got his whole family to log on to scoop and vote for him
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I think Sacar will have a game where he scores 12-14 points, grabs 8-9 boards, but absolutely shuts down a Marcus Foster, or a Trevon Bluiett. Someone else may get a SOTG before him, but he will get one before the seasons over.
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I agree, Harry or Jamal. That's mainly because scoring it what will likely push someone past the big 3. Since Harry likely has more diversity in his scoring options (though Jamal has been impressive from 3 and driving the lane), I'll go with Harry.
Does Harry really have diversity in his scoring? Does Harry even have scoring in his game at this point?
He's the worst shooter on the team in all 3 categories (FG%, 3P%, FT%), and is near the bottom in points per minute. I know a lot of people had high expectations for Harry as an offensive big man, but he hasn't shown the ability to be much of an offensive threat yet. Can we maybe try to temper expectations at some point here?
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Jamal
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Does Harry really have diversity in his scoring? Does Harry even have scoring in his game at this point?
He's the worst shooter on the team in all 3 categories (FG%, 3P%, FT%), and is near the bottom in points per minute. I know a lot of people had high expectations for Harry as an offensive big man, but he hasn't shown the ability to be much of an offensive threat yet. Can we maybe try to temper expectations at some point here?
My outlook is based on his options, not his output. He (supposedly) can hit the pick and pop. He has the height and strength in the lane. If he gets hot, plays decent defense and hits the boards in one game (and I think it may well happen), I see that as the most likely scenario for someone other than the big three to be a SOTG.
Jamal has a chance to have such a scoring jump that he could get votes, but I don't see him putting together such a complete game as a freshman to earn SOTG.
Sacar is a stat stuffer, but I don't see him having a game where he just explodes scoring and become SOTG.
I could easily be wrong, and I hope that I've offered bulletin board material to all of them.
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My outlook is based on his options, not his output. He (supposedly) can hit the pick and pop. He has the height and strength in the lane. If he gets hot, plays decent defense and hits the boards in one game (and I think it may well happen), I see that as the most likely scenario for someone other than the big three to be a SOTG.
I get it. So if Harry plays like a completely different basketball player than he has shown himself to be, then he could have a good game.
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I get it. So if Harry plays like a completely different basketball player than he has shown himself to be, then he could have a good game.
OK, that was too snarky, my bad. But in all seriousness, I still don't get why the general outlook on Harry is still so high when he hasn't shown us much offensively yet. If he can keep grabbing boards and getting assists here and there, I'll be happy. I just don't see the offensive potential at this point.
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I get it. So if Harry plays like a completely different basketball player than he has shown himself to be, then he could have a good game.
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The responses make more sense if you read the question as:
"Who do you want to be the next SOTG?"
In that case, if Harry is playing at SOTG level then that will mean he came out of nowhere (objectively speaking), completely changing the arc of our season.
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I think Sacar will have a game where he scores 12-14 points, grabs 8-9 boards, but absolutely shuts down a Marcus Foster, or a Trevon Bluiett. Someone else may get a SOTG before him, but he will get one before the seasons over.
Agree. I also think Matt will have a game where he gets a bunch of hoops on putbacks or layups off of pick and rolls, 10+ boards and a few blocks. Nothing terribly flashy like Jamal might do, but a solid workmanlike performance.
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OK, that was too snarky, my bad. But in all seriousness, I still don't get why the general outlook on Harry is still so high when he hasn't shown us much offensively yet. If he can keep grabbing boards and getting assists here and there, I'll be happy. I just don't see the offensive potential at this point.
Dude, SSS alert. He hadn't played in a real game in over a year.
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Dude, SSS alert. He hadn't played in a real game in over a year.
And was playing with a hurt foot to boot (no pun intended, well yeah, what the heck!
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I know Froling has history I know nothing about and practice output a mystery to me too....so all I have to go on is the games he’s played. I haven’t seen anything I’m optimistic about.
Theo is the hope more than him. Theo is aggressive around the basket. Lots to work on but big big upside. I see him SOTG sooner than Harry. I hope I’m wrong about HF but what we see is what we get.
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Dude, SSS alert. He hadn't played in a real game in over a year.
I don't think that matters as much at this level. These guys aren't just going through walk throughs in practice. They're playing at game speed plenty often. A game or two to get used to being back in front of a crowd and to get out some jitters is fine, but let's not act like he's been sitting in his dorm room playing video games for the last year.
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Unless it is a charitable designation of SOTG, the answer is none of the above. This team is built on offense, and one of our top three players will have over 20pt in any game they win. I don’t see anyone else hitting 20.
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Dude, SSS alert. He hadn't played in a real game in over a year.
That didn't hurt Luke much. 19 points, 9 Rebs and 5 blocks against Arizona State....
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I don't think that matters as much at this level. These guys aren't just going through walk throughs in practice. They're playing at game speed plenty often. A game or two to get used to being back in front of a crowd and to get out some jitters is fine, but let's not act like he's been sitting in his dorm room playing video games for the last year.
He he hasn't. But he lost 40 some pounds from the last time he played. The rust is real.
I don't expect the guy to be a savior, but I actually do expect him to be one of our top 5 players come mid-late February. He has a dimension that this team sorely needs, and I think his shot is much better than he has shown to this point.
I am actually encouraged by what I've seen. I also think him and Theo look great together on the court.
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He he hasn't. But he lost 40 some pounds from the last time he played. The rust is real.
I don't expect the guy to be a savior, but I actually do expect him to be one of our top 5 players come mid-late February. He has a dimension that this team sorely needs, and I think his shot is much better than he has shown to this point.
I am actually encouraged by what I've seen. I also think him and Theo look great together on the court.
The weight loss thing shouldn't affect him a ton since he was losing that weight gradually as he was continuing to play. It could affect him if the coaches are now asking him to play a different style than he had before due to his (assumed) increased mobility and strength, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
I like Harry's confidence, but let's not confuse confidence with ability. Just because he's willing to throw up 3's doesn't mean he's a shooter. And just because he's big doesn't mean he's a strong post player. It's nice to have added depth and a few more boards per game; I just don't see much more in his skillset right now.
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Nonsense, it’s Cam for sure. He’s gonna have a game where it’s a basketball version of Angels in the outfield only it’s his dad instead of Christopher Lloyd.
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I voted Jamal, as he has had back to back solid games, so clearly the potential is there for him to have an exceptional game. I disagree with you, skianth, about Harry. I don't know if he will be good or not. I have certainly seen indications that he has talent. It is certainly possible that he will have that one magic came where he goes off. Also, there are 16 more conference games. As he gets up to game speed, I expect he will become a much more consistent player and contributor. Remember, the freshmen looked tentative and lost in their first few games, too. They have improved. Why can't Harry?
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Another factor in my choice of Harry is that I actually don't anticipate anyone but 1 of the big 3 getting SOTG this year. In every game, we'll need at least one of them to shine, and, while I do expect Harry, Jamal and Sacar to each have at least one big game, I don't expect that any of them will have a bigger game than one of the big 3 in a victory. (And, Amoroso had a big game once, so why can't Harry?)
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I voted Jamal, as he has had back to back solid games, so clearly the potential is there for him to have an exceptional game. I disagree with you, skianth, about Harry. I don't know if he will be good or not. I have certainly seen indications that he has talent. It is certainly possible that he will have that one magic came where he goes off. Also, there are 16 more conference games. As he gets up to game speed, I expect he will become a much more consistent player and contributor. Remember, the freshmen looked tentative and lost in their first few games, too. They have improved. Why can't Harry?
Comparing freshmen who are new to college basketball to a transfer isn't apples to apples. As was mentioned above, Luke figured it out in his first game with MU. The transition from SMU to MU is much different, and easier, than the transition from HS to MU.
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Comparing freshmen who are new to college basketball to a transfer isn't apples to apples. As was mentioned above, Luke figured it out in his first game with MU. The transition from SMU to MU is much different, and easier, than the transition from HS to MU.
ASU looked surprised that Luke was even on the roster. That had to be one of his best games of the year -- they didnt even guard him. I really don't know that it is fair to use the ASU event as an indictment on any other player.
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I voted Jamal, as he has had back to back solid games, so clearly the potential is there for him to have an exceptional game. I disagree with you, skianth, about Harry. I don't know if he will be good or not. I have certainly seen indications that he has talent. It is certainly possible that he will have that one magic came where he goes off. Also, there are 16 more conference games. As he gets up to game speed, I expect he will become a much more consistent player and contributor. Remember, the freshmen looked tentative and lost in their first few games, too. They have improved. Why can't Harry?
As noted above, Cam could have a miracle game, too.
First, Heldt and Theo need to be get into serious foul trouble, Rowsey needs to be ejected, Markus gets double teamed, and we're playing a near-D2 team.
Then, who knows... Miracles do happen
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I'm just hoping that Marcus gets another SOTG...
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OK, that was too snarky, my bad. But in all seriousness, I still don't get why the general outlook on Harry is still so high when he hasn't shown us much offensively yet. If he can keep grabbing boards and getting assists here and there, I'll be happy. I just don't see the offensive potential at this point.
That is the nature of being a great white hope . It is the same thinking that people had surrounding Gerry Cooney back in the day.
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I went with Jamal. I think he's got the potential to be something special for the Warriors.
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Comparing freshmen who are new to college basketball to a transfer isn't apples to apples. As was mentioned above, Luke figured it out in his first game with MU. The transition from SMU to MU is much different, and easier, than the transition from HS to MU.
LOL And that's why Luke was All Big East for three years, right?
You do realize that that was possibly Luke's best game at MU?
More likely, teams scouted that game and learned how to game plan for Luke.
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That is the nature of being a great white hope . It is the same thinking that people had surrounding Gerry Cooney back in the day.
Says the guy who single handedly brought us the great Kostas hope!
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I'm just hoping that Marcus gets another SOTG...
I agree with the spirit of this post. We need Markus Howard to play consistently like we know he can. Both halves game in game out.
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Harry and wins it tonight.
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LOL And that's why Luke was All Big East for three years, right?
You do realize that that was possibly Luke's best game at MU?
More likely, teams scouted that game and learned how to game plan for Luke.
My point is that Luke came out of the gates firing on all cylinders, so I'm not buying the line about not playing for a year slowing Harry down. And even if that was due to not being in the scouting report, why wasn't Harry able to do the same thing?
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Harry and wins it tonight.
Whoops.
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Says the guy who single handedly brought us the great Kostas hope!
Stick around for the second game, not only do you get Kostas but Allie the CBS Sports hottie will be on the sideline.
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Bump
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My outlook is based on his options, not his output. He (supposedly) can hit the pick and pop. He has the height and strength in the lane. If he gets hot, plays decent defense and hits the boards in one game (and I think it may well happen), I see that as the most likely scenario for someone other than the big three to be a SOTG.
Jamal has a chance to have such a scoring jump that he could get votes, but I don't see him putting together such a complete game as a freshman to earn SOTG.
Sacar is a stat stuffer, but I don't see him having a game where he just explodes scoring and become SOTG.
I could easily be wrong, and I hope that I've offered bulletin board material to all of them.
Well, count me as wrong. Sacar explodes and becomes SOTG. And well deserved.
Count me as wrong about Harry, too. I now accept that his rumored potential is unlikely, this year at least, to be equaled by his output. (Again, I'll hope for bulletin board material.)